Yes probably tons that were never fortunate to have someone filming and documenting it. These guys had an guardian angel when paradise lost was made. Makes me terrified to think of how many more this is happening to. The sad part is that I think it is more a rule than an exception that law enforcement is tampering with the evidence and facts, to do things that will serve them better. Just watch Al Pacino movie, based on true story, Serpico...
Eli, there are all kinds of docs about falsely accused people and mostly men. I saw one where a guy did 30 years for raping a "woman." When they tested the sperm for dna 30 years later, they found 5 different men's sperm in her. She was a whore. She never even got raped. A good doc to watch is "An Unreal Dream."
@Jackeen D22 : this has absolutely nothing to do with what the op said. You sound ratarded. You should try to mix in some punctuation with your rambling nonsense.
I now believe Terry Hobbs did it. Immediate family members are ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS the prime suspects & yet Hobbs wasn't even interrogated by the WM police until 14 years after the crime. I have yet to discover why Hobbs was protected by the WM police other than the rumours that he was some sort of drug informant. The connection between Hobbs & the WM police is the key to solving this case.
poeticjustice2000 That's only according to the crooked justice system that convicted them in the first place. Anyone with a brain and the capacity for rational thought can see their innocent.
Hobbs was a CI for the WMPD and they knew his whereabouts the evening of the murders. To think Hobbs did this crime requires the full suspension of critical thinking. Hobbs doesn't have the wherewithal to pull off a triple murder much less keep it a secret. Echols have motive, ability and opportunity. Are you forget Echols' 500 page medical dossier in which he admits to being homicidal?
bgregg55 Good God who in their right mind would even suggest a stepfather would kill his stepson along with his 2 friends? That has NEVER happened-ever! That is so ridiculous to even suggest that 1 man could control 3 little boys & even IF he wanted his stepson dead, he wouldn't take out 2 other boys! Silly propaganda movies will make people believe even the most ludicrous things.
Thumbelllina that is music by Eddie Vedder, the singer of Pearl Jam, who did a lot for Damien Echols :). He is a wonderfull artist. I enjoyed the music.
Gotta love these comments about how terrible it is to falsely accuse someone of this horrific crime and then immediately state "BTW - I think so and so did it!"
After watching these kind of stories from many countries, I would say it's a world epidemic. Which makes sense because justice systems all run by a bunch of [flawed] humans.
This is what I hate about the "criminal justice system." Even in the overwhelming face of a wrongful conviction they refuse to admit a mistake and instead only offer to release you if you plead guilty to a crime that you didn't commit. It disgusts me and I am a police officer.
Peter Palmer it’s not your fault you were born in America..it’s a sorry country in a multitude of respects and this case among many, just highlights that.
The state has to stand behind the charges otherwise they will get sued. That is what the plea deal was about. Our justice system is so corrupt these days. Innocent people waste away in jail or prison until they cop to a plea just to get out.
Maggie Carpenter You can and here is a link to lawyers who regularly sue cities and the state. www.littlerockpersonalinjurylawyer.co/little-rock-arkansas-government-liability-lawyer.html
Maggie Carpenter Oh and some further information. You cannot name the state as a defendant, but they have a commission to deal with lawsuits and you can sue individual state officers including the governor.
@@PureChaos that's what they need to do if they could but im thinking that's why they took that plea so they couldn't come back on the state or the ones that had them locked up because it would have been the district attorney's office that one would have to go up agaisn't in the supreme courts of appeals.
I don’t believe for one minute those boys were guilty,That was a witch hunt,how sad their lives were ruined,I hope they can recover from that whole thing
Yeah, they put Echols on death row because he wore black T shirts and listened to heavy metal music. Couldn't possibly be anything more to it eh? Nothing left to look into... the Paradise Lost series told us everything we need to know!
No.. the detectives had no evidence.. they had a mentally handicapped person tell them a story.. to suit their time line.. the Black guy in Bojangles.. who was he? why was he Bloody and muddy? Why did it take so long for the police to investigate that.. enough time for the guy to leave.. What about the step father? how did he get the boy's Stevey grandfather's pocket knife? Why wasn't the other boy's step-father with the knife (which had blood on it) not tested.. and the blood also not tested from the Bojangles Restaurant? @CLARK KNOWLTON?
+fos sch I agree. I feel sorry for the 8 y. old poor boys. But, I also feel sorry for this kids who lost almost two decades of their life. It's very sad case. There's not any single evidence linking them to this murders. No DNA, no physical evidence, NOTHING !!! SHAME ON THE MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SHAME ON THE JUSTICE SYSTEM OF ARKANSAS !!! Who knows how many more innocent ppl are on death row now. I'm so glad I don't live in USA-when I'll see something like this. Thanks GOD for the supporters, otherwise they would still be in jail, coz the Police and the State Justice System will never admit their mistakes.
+fos sch The blood at the Bojangles restaurant was "lost" so it wasn't able to be tested. Such shit. And the first officer that responded to the restaurant DIDN'T EVEN GO INSIDE she went through the drive thru!!!
Miskelly was not mentally handicapped or retarded, you people keep pushing that shit ,because Miskelly is the only one of the three that is racked with guilt .and could confess at any moment.
I will NEVER forget seeing the 1st Paradise Lost...I felt so connected to Damien in particular. His friends reminded me of my friends when I was 15-16. I am 38 now. I wore crazy evil jewelery because that's what was cool. I even wore actual crow's feet as jewelery. I wore all black, I read books about black magic out of curiosity, I listened to nothing but metal, METALLICA was (and still is) my favorite band. What happened to Damien, Jason and Jessie could have easily happened to me.
Yeah.. and that’s exactly the reason those three.. (twice convicted triple child murderers) got out of prison. Because knuckle heads like Henry Rollins, Eddie Vedder and people like yourself identified with and felt sorry for them and weren’t in any way interested in looking into the ‘true facts’ of the case. Don’t treat this guy as any kind of hero.. he’s a cold blooded murderer, pure and simple.
@@orgyhepburn2761 damning evidence like what? no dna linking them to the scene? the stepdad lying about where and when he last saw the boys? the stepdad breaking into a woman’s house and sexually assaulting her (implying he has a violent past), the stepdad having dna connotations linking him to the scene? the stepdad’s hair being tied into the hogtie? tell me what evidence there is linking the boys to the murders. because actually, jessie misskelly had a really strong alibi, despite saying said he was an accessory to the murders.
There were six witnesses to the crime... three of them are dead and screaming for justice from their graves... and the other three, are treated as celebrities and looked upon as saints.
Have any of u researched this and not jus te HBO document, look at the court documents, they r free to public, these boys at the tie did not do this, it's terrible how this case was handled, this isn't jus a one time issue, this happens all the time innocents in jail!
I became so passionate after seeing the 1st documentary (when I was only 14) that yes, I delved as deep into both sides of the evidence as possible. Guilty or not, I just wanted to form a solid opinion NOT based solely on the films, and encourage all other WM3 supporters to dig as deep as they can. However, the movies are really good, and provide a great starting point for people who don't know the case. In all of my research,I've never heard ONE PIECE of murder evidence against the West Memphis 3. And you are totally right about how the police are to blame for botching the case and denying justice to the victims, their families, and the wrongfully convicted WM3, by circling the career wagons and lying to protect the "integrity" of every elected official and/or lawyer climbing the career ladder. Many of the police department, justice system, and attorneys that benefited from this outrageous wrongful conviction can't admit they made a mistake, b/c to do so would be career suicide. Shameful.
I became so passionate after seeing the 1st documentary (when I was only 14) that I delved as deep into both sides of the evidence as possible. Guilty or not, I just wanted to form a solid opinion NOT based solely on the films, and I encourage all other WM3 supporters to dig as deep as they can. However, the movies are really good, and provide a great starting point for people who don't know the case. In all of my research, I've never heard ONE PIECE of murder evidence against the West Memphis 3. And the police are to blame for botching the case so badly that they've not only made it impossible for the public to know who killed the kids, but b/c of incompetence, corruption, and greed they have ensured that justice will never be served to the victims, their families, and the wrongfully convicted WM3, by circling the career wagons and lying to protect the "integrity" of every elected official and/or lawyer climbing the career ladder. Many of the police department, justice system, and attorneys that benefited from this outrageous wrongful conviction can't admit they made a mistake, b/c to do so would be career suicide. But what kind of people value a career over true justice in the murders of three 8 year old kids? Shameful.
I have one question I'm sure many others have but I've never heard it asked and I'd love to know the answer. We all know that Damien was just one of several names on a list that Mr. Driver gave to the police. He was asked to come up with a list of JUVENILES that he personally thought could've been involved. My question is....with this being such a heinous crime, why would anyone ever think that another child could have committed such gruesome murders? Especially so soon in the investigation?!? What made them take that leap to begin with?
The West Memphis police was under immense pressure to solve the case. Unfortunately it was well out of their league. They should have had SBI, FBI come in to assist, but being a redneck good ole boy corrupt dept., they were afraid of outsiders seeing their "dirty laundry" ie bribes, drug trafficking, etc. So they railroaded easy targets - 3 trailer trash kids with no means to defend themselves.
@@barragin9893 I agree 100%. It was all such a tragedy and no one will ever have closure or justice. All 6 of those boys and their families deserved so much better than what they got.
This whole case is horrific! The children who were murdered and their families suffered so much and these boys who were children themselves were railroaded by the state. They and their families have suffered the same injustice. In essence the killer took the lives of more than the three little boys. There needs to be laws protecting defendants from crooked police, lawyers, judges, and jurors. Anyone who knowingly has a hand in convicting a person of a crime should be prosecuted themselves. I don't understand how these boys could have been convicted on the "evidence" presented at the trials (there was no physical or even circumstantial evidence produced at either trial), but no one has even been charged with the more compelling DNA evidence that was uncovered after the convictions. Even though they've identified the two other people whose DNA was found at the crime scene and on at least one of the victims. The state of Arkansas needs to put on their "big boy pants" and right this wrong, there are consequences to their actions and they need to pardon these men and pay up, this is the least they can do! Sadly, this is probably not the first time this has happened and judging by the way this case has been handled, unfortunately, it probably won't be the last........
You're right, it is absolutely horrendous, the authorities should've done their job rather than pin it on the easiest suspect. What I find just as bad are the people that open their big uneducated mouths saying Damien, Jason, and Jessie did it. Exactly what they need to do is find the Bojangles' man, I am thinking he was a homeless man living in the woods and either witnessed, or committed the crime. However, this man is long gone and the cops blew it big time. They don't even know what he looks like, isn't that just horrible? I am positive either Stevens, Michael's or Christopher's father did it- maybe even all three of the sick bastards were in on it. Unfortunately, the authorities didn't care who did it- they were being pressured by the state to find the murderers and get the case off of their desks. I am happy that the boys got out of prison, but I am unhappy they can't sue the state because of that damn Alford Plea. As of August 19th, it will mark them being out of prison for three years. Yes, that is three years of freedom, but it's also three years of not being exonerated- another three years the state has gone without doing their job, and another three years the real murderers have walked freely. I just want this case to be solved in the worst way, it's not fair to Damien, Jason, or Jessie.
I totally agree with you, it's amazing the boys were arrested and convicted with no evidence at all, they never found anything that linked any of the teenagers to that crime. However, they have DNA from Hobbs and his friend found at the crime scene and that's not enough for an arrest? It's crazy! Hobbs' DNA was found to be a hair in the center of a knot made to hog tie his step son and his friend's DNA was found on a tree next to one of the boys' bodies. My guess, it was one (or both) of them who left the blood all over Bojangles. It really just makes me sick the "powers that be" in that community have chosen to allow the REAL killer(s) of 3 innocent children to get away with murder. Last time I checked DNA was considered solid evidence. Shame on all of those who had a hand in sending these boys to prison and shame on those who have played any part in keeping them in prison over the years. The Governor can pardon them and give them their lives back, but shame on him if he doesn't right this wrong. It's so wrong this could happen to anyone in our country, but what makes it worse is those who have the power to fix it, have chosen to do nothing.
Stacy L Hobbs hair wasn't found inside a ligature. Surely you aren't that stupid. It could have been the DNA of any one of over millions of people. Six confessions and you can't find a reason for guilt?
No Linda I'm not stupid. The DNA evidence I'm referring to belonged to the step father of one of the murdered boys, and that hair was found intertwined in the ligature used to tie up another victim, and the other DNA evidence found at the crime scene was from Hobb's alibi. Hmmm, I find it interesting people with your mindset can excuse DNA evidence left at the crime scene and on a victim, but you're willing to condemn the WM3 with no physical evidence linking any of them to the crime scene or the victims? Nothing from not even one boy, 3 teenage boys left nothing? Just to clear something up for you, DNA is exclusive to only one person, example, you are the only person with your DNA profile. Also, did you ever ask yourself why Jessie made "6 confessions"? Let me enlighten you, Jessie is boarder line mentally challenged, his IQ was between 65-70, his first statement didn't fit the scenario the police had determined and he was interrogated and fed information until he gave them what they wanted, he was interrogated without his parents (yes, he was a minor), no legal council, and oddly enough, of all the hours and hours of police interrogation only the "confession" the police wanted was taped. There are several reasons why the Supreme Court granted a new trial. Why don't you read their decision and maybe you can really understand the injustice brought upon the WM3. It's obvious your opinion is based on how you feel about who the WM3 were and not the facts in the case and that's unfortunate, judgmental, and frankly, wrong. I've spent many hours researching this case so I could make an intelligent and informed decision based on the facts and I know, based on the facts of the case, the WM3 should never have been tried, not to mention convicted. Speaking of the conviction, how can you condone juror misconduct? If you've done your homework and know anything about this case, you would know, the jury convicted these boys on "evidence" that was never presented during trial and that's indisputable, the notes are in the jury foreman's own handwriting. I can only ask, before you start to insult the intelligence of another, you first gather all of the information on a subject, set aside your personal feelings, take in all the facts so you have the ability to make an informed decision about how you arrived at your opinion. Our judicial system is supposed to be based on fact, not whether you like the defendant(s), lady justice is blindfolded for a reason.
Stacy L Stacy, you seemingly have a decent command of English, but your lack of new paragraphs and punctuation is wanting. That being said, I don't have the time nor inclination to tread ground that has been covered time and time again, but I'll digress momentarily. Hobbs DNA was not found at the crime scene. DNA consistent with Hobbs was found on a shoelace and representative of 1.5% of the population; that's millions of candidates notwithstanding variability. My guess was it was secondary transfer. If you've ever been on a jury and clearly, you haven't, you would know that courts allow (and convict with) circumstantial evidence alone. While circumstantial doesn't indicate direct culpability, it by definition infers such. Echols lies, lack of credible alibi, medical history, failing polygraphs, court demeanor all indicate guilt. Moreover, he can be placed near the scene and couple that with the Misskelly confessions (disallowed) converts guilt. Were there hick-ups in the trial? You bet. Could there have been cause for mistrial? You bet, again. But a second trail would have dealt the same correct blow; guilty. I grew up in WM and knew many of the players. I've read jivepuppi, wm3truth, callahan8k and yes, have seen the propaganda of Paradise Lost. My professional background is in chemistry and I understand DNA and forensics better than most lay people. I have no doubt as to their guilt and I dismissed you as a serious doubter when you mentioned Misskelley's IQ. The man has a college degree! Echols could have taken it to trial but he instigated and copped the Alford Plea. As I've stated before, I would have easily convicted Echols and Baldwin alone on circumstantial evidence although I know things about this case many people are not aware. I'll say one thing for Jessie, he has a soul and as far as I'm concerned, an absolved soul. Lastly, even though justice was served temporarily for 18 years, this case stopped being about justice many years ago. It's about money; Hollywood money. The money that thinks it's doing good when in fact, it's in bed with evil. Even Depp has left Echols side after seeing the lies spewed on Piers Morgan.
They are guilty as hell! Disgusting how Damian is getting his 15 min. of fame.....pure evil...Damian is a duplicit trickster like Ted Bundy! My opinion.
You'd think that's perhaps a signal that you need to look into it further eh? Yeah... people get put on death row everyday, purely based on their music and fashion choices... makes perfect sense!
This isn't about Metallica t-shirts and black nail polish. This is about a river of lies told in the wake of a triple homicide. Jason says he was hanging out with Damien until about 6:30 on the night of the killings. However, Damien says he was with his family, not with Jason. He swears he stayed home the entire evening -- but a friend who called at 8:00 was told Damien was not at home.
Oh..... he is a master mind deviant..... Damian is the leader just look at his body language he did or know who did ..... oh. A jar of testicles in his room .... how was that planted....hahaha. Someone explain that
It's called an Alford guilty plea. Which in simple terms means "I'm guilty but I didn't do it." The defendant pleads innocent and acknowledges that there is some evidence that could be used to convict them.
I am so glad that they were released! I watched a documentary on them in one of my Crim Jus classes and I could tell by the lack of evidence that they were innocent!! God is so good!!
HOW IS GOD SO GOOD? WAS GOD GOOD WHEN HE ALLOWED THOSE 3 BOYS TO BE MUTILATED TORTURED AND MURDERED? WAS GOD GOOD WHEN 3 BOYS LOST THEIR INNOCENCE BY BEING FALSELY ACCUSED OF MURDERS? WAS GOD GOID WHEN THE STATE OF ARKANSAS ALLOWED THESE BOYS TO BE RAPED AND BEATEN IN PRISON FOR A CRIME THEY WERE NOT A PART OF? STOP IT WITH THE WHOLE GOD BULLSHIT! IF GOD CAN DO ANYTHING THEN HES A SICK SICK GOD! GOD DOESNT EXIST !
@@tonispring4875 WAS GOD GOOD WHEN HE ALLOWED 3 MONSTERS WHO HORRIBLY TORTURED AND KILLED 3 POOR LITTLE BOYS TO GET OUT OF PRISON AND EVEN TO BECOME "STARS APPLAUDED" BY UN/MISINFORMED PEOPLE?
@@BusterCherry1 It's impossible isn't it? You just can't get through to these totally duped and docile wood-heads. They actually believe these guys were the victims!!!
@@shadowbabe4396 Terry Hobbs was surely not the best husband and father, but *he has nothing to do* with the murders of those poor children, the ones who tortured and killed those poor little boys are Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jessie Misskelley. Learn the true facts "outside" the "deceitful campaign in their favor" and you will agree with me....at least, if you want to know the truth and what really happened and not to believe at all costs and no matter what, that they're innocent.
The state of Arkansas is STILL corrupt. I won't even drive through there. I'd rather go hundreds of miles out of my way and shit my own pants to bypass that hellhole
@@riverlehmann71 Lol 😂 I’m Australian and I lived in the states for 5 years. I drove through at least 40 states and never did I once say “Hey let’s go to Arkansas!”
awwwwww.....poor baby. He had a hard time in jail????? Guess what...... those kids that he killed cannot do anything.....they are DEAD!!!!!!!!!! He IS NOT innocent. Anyone who doesn't think this guy is a complete psychopath must not venture out into the world much.
Damien wife is actually very pretty. She sort of reminds me of Kim Basinger even though Kim is blonde. Very pretty. I think it's really incredible he was released and this marriage lasts.
I'd like to see an FBI profilers take on this crime. They could provide a clue on whether this was a single killer, the age range of the perpetrator etc.
+Dr. Winston O'boogie perhaps a confession from the horses mouth listen to that carefully over and over imagine that was your 8 year old son and then defend them
Yes, but then the WM3 lovers will claim the test was rigged and the cops are corrupt. Unfortunately, there's always enough bad police work to give them wiggle room. In the end, the test that matters is common sense. That's ultimately why the WM3 were found guilty.
poeticjustice2000 oh well you can dispute but where's the evidence to prove it. You have to honor a positive DNA match to within one of 8 billion people.
wm3 were found guilty so there was no need but this is for the public to finally know and the public is the one who has to make up their mind on the results and the evidence of a cover-up. there was blood evidence and fiber evidence. the prosecution couldn't bring that up but was warned by the judge if they kept saying there wasn't any blood evidence he was going to allow luminol results into evidence. it showed blood all over the banks. with OJ well of course when you have a Prejudice jury considering the evidence of blood testing you can run into problems but any sane individual has to honor that type of test after debunking a conspiracy theory that would have the entire police department guilty of obstruction. there was no physical evidence linking Blake to the crime scene I just got through reading up on that case.
Steve, I appreciate your grasp of these cases! I would just say that "reasonable doubt" doesn't require the reason to be a good one. Doubting the competence of the police is a legitimate doubt. As for Blake, he himself was physically at the scene. Beyond a video of the killing -- what more physical evidence could be supplied?
Even some of the parents of the victims (im talking about the 8 year old victims, not Echols, Baldwin or Misskelley now) helped getting them free due to it beins so incredibly obvious that they were innocent. Why dont you want the real killer(s) punished instead? Is it really better to punish any randoms rather than none at all? Cause it was "any randoms" that sat 18 years in prison in this case.
I'm so sorry you were put through that .you are a decent man those corrupt cops need to pay for the hell you've been through those boys that died deserve justice the true killer needs to go to jail they should pay you money for taking your freedom!
I kinda remember Echols bragging about always being remembered as the Boogyman in his hometown, like he was proud of the murders or something.To me it seemed like an admission of guilt.
Because he was strange. He was more to himself, shy and all. It doesn't make him a murderer. These three are not. One of the step parents did this crime and had an accomplice. Watch their documentary.
So you've never been a stupid teenager and say something dumb? He was innocent. He made a mockery of it because it was an absolutely preposterous trial! He didn't actually think he was going to be convicted of a crime he didn't commit. He erroneously had more faith in the justice system than it deserved.
Hobbs says the hair found could be his, “all those little boys played at our home.” Hobbs DNA was at the crime scene because there was a hair in some of the rope. That rope was taken by the boys from the house. How does one old man assault, rape and kill 3 energetic boys a at THE SAME TIME?. HOBBS had an Alibi that checked out. These 3 murderers had NO ALIBI How was Echols able to give accurate details about the murder scene if he wasnt there? He said he read it in the paper, but the information was not released for another 3 days. He was caught lying on the stand over 20 times. WTF? This is bullshit. He wasnt a suspect because of the way he dressed. He was a suspect because he went and told 2 people he just killed some kids!! That was a fact of the case.
JusticeForTheSilenced First of all Echols is accused and found guilty for one simple reason. Hobbs most certainly had an alibi. To think Hobbs was capable of pulling off a triple homicide requires the complete suspension of critical thinking. The man couldn't tie one knot let alone three separate knots. John Douglas is nothing more than a gun for hire, it you think differently, then you probably think J Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolsen weren't gay. And it was Pam Hobbs who said Terry may have done it. This is the same Pam Hobbs that would sell her mother's soul for $100 worth of dope. The Bayou was filled with dispersants (soap) from the nearby Blue Beacon Truck wash which helped remove what little blood there was. You see, 50lb kids only have about 1-2 pints of blood to spill before the circulatory system fails; there wasn't that much blood as -l u m i n o l- tests What else you got?
stonesthrow420 I do think Hobbs was involved in the murders. 3 witnesses saw him with the boys that night and it was not rope that they where tied with it was there shoe laces. Jessie Misskelly had an alibi and so did Jason and Damien. I think they were wrongly convicted. And a lot of people seem to forget about as people call him "Mr. Bojangles". He was covered in blood and mud and the cops lost the blood sample. This investagation was fucked up.
The american justice system is so fucked up! I hope from the bottom of my heart that the real killer/s will be found! Damien, Jason and Jessie deserves living there freedom as truly free men!
Even worse than O.J. At least with O.J., you knew jury nullification was present. This was just pressure from the Hollywood elite to get child killers out of prison because they're of the same ilk.
Well said. However, the WM3 aren't off scott free. They are on probation; Alford probation. One screw up and they could easily go back to prison. The first to go will be Misskelly. It's hard to believe he can function outside a prison when it's the only real home he has ever known.
I took a criminal class in high school back in 2004 and we sat through watching every second of this case. And it literally stuck with me as a child to hear and have to study it then the other day I seen the video posted on amazon and watched it again and decided to look up them and see what was new and what they look like now and found out they were released. I'm shocked but always thought john mark Byers was guilty since those days in my high school class
TERRY HOBBS HAIR FOLLICLE WAS FOUND IN STEVEN BRANCHES RESTRAINT IE HIS SHOELACE THAT WAS USED TOP TIE HIM UP. IT WAS FOUND IN THE FKN KNOT THAT WAS MADE.
Nope both step dad's had alibis I know they like to point the blame. On someone else to get it off if themselves. But go back and read. Damien had a long history of killing animals threatening his family and time in mental hospitals. But they don't want to share that. He was the one who brought up witch craft. Watch him during the trial. He flipped off the families of these victims and blew them kisses. Jesse miskelly had nightmares and was the only one who had a conscious. Jason Baldwin skinned snakes. There's a lot.
All Damien and his friend did was listen to the truth through their choice of music. At that time Metallica was singing about the govt and its sheep. These three teenagers where at the wrong place at the wrong time. This small town didn't want to face the fact that there was a cold hearted murderer(s) they instead proceeded to point the finger, with no true evidence, towards these three teenagers who were going through a phase, just like most teenagers do, and stood out in the crowd. They painted this picture of them incriminating them by saying they were Satanist when they were nothing close to that. This was a horrible le trial not only did six families go through hell but these three little innocent boys who were murdered are not at peace their true killer(s) are yet to be found and these families have no true answers as to what truly happened.
This channel is biased and "hides" (deletes) the comments of those who disagree with Echols' innocence....I repost the reply I wrote for you a second time with a second account: You're completely wrong and you've bought, hook, line and sinker, all the LIES told in "their" biased movies and documentaries. Those 3 ARE really the ones who tortured in an horrific way (while they were still alive) and killed those poor 3 little boys. I know in detail what has been done to them....it's difficult to believe that there are human beings who can do such things to others, in particular, to children. It's not true there was no evidence against them, there was a lot .....but if you listen to them themselves and their supporters only you will believe that bs about 3 poor teenagers fingered by the police just because they wore black and listened to heavy metal music.....really a big BS! Learn about the true facts on the "west of memphis three facts - home" site. Bye
It is really odd. Fogelman, Burnett and Gitchell was so afraid that who they thought was quilty would get away with it. So they did any thing they could to punish them. Fogelman, Burnett and Gitchell are guilty of torturing three innocent boys, Damien, Jason, and Jessie. They did it for 18 years and got away with it.
It's easy not to carry hatred and resentment when you are actually guilty and manage to bust out of prison on a lie. They know they're lucky they didn't executed years ago.
Lorri Davis wants to know WHO committed those murders.....well, no need to go that far, one of them is sitting right next to you Lorri....you have married one of those "WHO committed the murders"!!!!
@WM Three Facts I think you're right! Personally, being Italian, I knew nothing about this case, I just stumbled across a video which spoke about it....and since I hate those hypocritical "pro-innocence campaigns" that have become fashionable in my country in the last two decades too, and that aim to take out of prison "ascertained murderers" (150% guilty) lying to the uninformed public opinion, I wanted to see if those three were freed thanks to, indeed, a deceitful campaign or not, and I discovered that it went exactly like I thought! Well, I discovered also that the "campaign" in favor to those three teenagers has been the forerunner for all the other that have followed, both in the US and in Italy (a bit everywhere) and that had been all created along the lines of this one (documentaries, websites, books and so on). Sincerely, before to learn about this case and all what happened around it, I though that the very first "guilty wrongly convicted one" who got away thanks to a media "innocent campaign" was Amanda Knox, but she's not, these three have been the REAL first ones! Yes, I don't believe either that Lorri Davis truly believe that his beloved husband (goood, you must be really desperate to marry a child-torturer who's on the death row) is a poor innocent wrongly convicted. If it's true what she said, i.e. that she learned about this case watching the "Lost paradise" first documentary which would have aroused in her so much interest in the case (or, more likely an interest of other nature in the creepy appeal of one of the main "actors"), I strongly doubt that she didn't get some more information reading the official documents (the prosecutor point of view) too.....and sorry, each one who owns a brain (and she seems being a clever one) going through the (true) facts and details, can't come to any other conclusion if not that they are guilty as hell! Then she PRETENDS to believe in his husband innocence....but do you know what's the worst part of these hypocritical "innocence campaigns"? That to make people believe that their "protected" are innocent, they maliciously point the finger at REAL INNOCENT ONES!!! (and not caring at all about the pain they can cause to the people they chose as "substitutes") And the gullible ones who watch those lying documentaries are even not able to realize that those people want them to believe that their protected murderers would have been blamed and even convicted nonetheless there was no evidence pointing to their guilt (which is untrue).....making them blindly believe that some others, against whom there's even less evidence...if not NONE at all, would be the real GUILTY ones!!!! ...... What a hypocrisy!
@WM Three Facts Thanks for the links! Unfortunately I didn't watch the three Paradise Lost movies, just the West of Memphis documentary, but I don't think a minute the film makers unwillingly created such extremely biased movies based on their truly personal thoughts.....in my opinion, they didn't act in good faith: they omitted too many incriminating facts, they twisted some others, and put a great emphasis just on the fact that the prosecutor would have focused on those three JUST BECAUSE of their dress style and because they would be "poor and outcast". They've also spoken about the "satanic" issue as it was just an obsession that the prosecutor had: in reality, at least Damien Echols, was really a KNOWN devil worshipper and being he a paranoid schizophrenic (diagnosed) the risk that he didn't limit himself just on playing "the satanist" (like the most of them) but that he could be able to put ...into practice some "rituals" was very high, and in fact, he DID IT! He needed to be locked into a mental hospital..... I have also the "suspect" (a strong one) that lots of people have been PAID by them (by film makers and WM3 supporters) for LYING: - you see in the documentary a young man, a Carson if I recall right, who's the one who testified in court that Jason Baldwin told him that "he cut Byer's genitals" ......telling now that "he doesn't know WHY he told those things" (how could he not know.....WHY???), well, he didn't tell that "he lied" either...probably fearing to be accused having "committed perjury", which at least in my country is very serious and you risk to be put in jail, I don't know what happens in the US though - you see a young girl who claims (after all those years.....better later than never 😉) having seen, that day, Terry Hobbs with the three children at about 6.30 pm in Hobb's garden......but sorry, as far as I know there's another woman who testified (in 1993 and....pro bono!) that she saw the three boys passing through her garden at about the same time, and she lived near the Robin Hood Hills, they could not be in two different places at the same time....one of the two is lying, who knows which one.... - you see even a pathologist, a Dr. Di Maio, telling that the injuries on the poor boys' bodies would have been inflicted "post-mortem" (to make people believe that the kids weren't tortured by those inhuman monsters, but that some turtles passing by caused those wounds when they were already dead underwater) Well, I saw the autopsy pictures too, those injuries were not at all inflicted "post-mortem".....unfortunately, I'd have preferred they would....but they were not! HE'S A LIAR! Anyway, I find this one of the most cruel crime of all times (in particular....having been done to little children), it's unforgivable!!!! At least they had admitted having done it, it could be possible to take into account the fact that one was mentally ill and the other two very young, influenceable ones......but since, except for Misskelley that seems to be the only one feeling remorse for what he did, they didn't confess, on the contrary, they have even the guts to try to accuse someone else KNOWING that they're the ones who did it, which is one of the worst thing that human beings can do to other human beings (after what they did to those kids) THEY DON'T DESERVE TO BE FORGIVEN.....and since they love the Devil that much, I wish them to go to.....HELL and meet him!
I will assume you left out the word "had" from your post. That being said, I shall ask you to recall this statement however bias: "It looks like Damien Echols finally killed somebody".
Imagine how many more such cases exist
Yes probably tons that were never fortunate to have someone filming and documenting it. These guys had an guardian angel when paradise lost was made.
Makes me terrified to think of how many more this is happening to. The sad part is that I think it is more a rule than an exception that law enforcement is tampering with the evidence and facts, to do things that will serve them better. Just watch Al Pacino movie, based on true story, Serpico...
U can help innocent ppl in prison CONTACT UR LOCAL INNOCENCE PROJECT
Eli, there are all kinds of docs about falsely accused people and mostly men.
I saw one where a guy did 30 years for raping a "woman."
When they tested the sperm for dna 30 years later, they found 5 different men's sperm in her. She was a whore. She never even got raped.
A good doc to watch is "An Unreal Dream."
@Jackeen D22 : this has absolutely nothing to do with what the op said. You sound ratarded. You should try to mix in some punctuation with your rambling nonsense.
@Jackeen D22 : huh?
IF you believe they are innocent, like this post! If you believe they are guilty, make a comment!
Very much guilty !
guilty as fuck
Guilty
The devil works in mysterious ways. I mean look, everyone knows who they are now. What if they did do it for fame??
No
I now believe Terry Hobbs did it. Immediate family members are ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS the prime suspects & yet Hobbs wasn't even interrogated by the WM police until 14 years after the crime. I have yet to discover why Hobbs was protected by the WM police other than the rumours that he was some sort of drug informant. The connection between Hobbs & the WM police is the key to solving this case.
No, "the key to solving this case" was when all three defendants pleaded guilty.
poeticjustice2000 That's only according to the crooked justice system that convicted them in the first place. Anyone with a brain and the capacity for rational thought can see their innocent.
Matt Solar That's BS. You actually buy that the "crooked justice system" forced these men to plead guilty to a triple child murder?
Hobbs was a CI for the WMPD and they knew his whereabouts the evening of the murders. To think Hobbs did this crime requires the full suspension of critical thinking. Hobbs doesn't have the wherewithal to pull off a triple murder much less keep it a secret. Echols have motive, ability and opportunity. Are you forget Echols' 500 page medical dossier in which he admits to being homicidal?
bgregg55 Good God who in their right mind would even suggest a stepfather would kill his stepson along with his 2 friends? That has NEVER happened-ever! That is so ridiculous to even suggest that 1 man could control 3 little boys & even IF he wanted his stepson dead, he wouldn't take out 2 other boys! Silly propaganda movies will make people believe even the most ludicrous things.
Thank you very much for posting this.
HBO documentary is incredibly biased
Alright, tune out the music...
music so off lol
Thumbelllina that is music by Eddie Vedder, the singer of Pearl Jam, who did a lot for Damien Echols :). He is a wonderfull artist. I enjoyed the music.
Gotta love these comments about how terrible it is to falsely accuse someone of this horrific crime and then immediately state "BTW - I think so and so did it!"
I once read a book on criminal justice for a course I took. The first chapter started like this. The criminal justice system in America is a mess.
After watching these kind of stories from many countries, I would say it's a world epidemic. Which makes sense because justice systems all run by a bunch of [flawed] humans.
Yeah, damned right the criminal justice system in America is a mess! It lets 'twice convicted' and GUILTY AS ALL HELL child murderers out of jail.
Those poor 3 little boys i hope they are at peace wherever they are.
Same they are the true victims imo
This is what I hate about the "criminal justice system." Even in the overwhelming face of a wrongful conviction they refuse to admit a mistake and instead only offer to release you if you plead guilty to a crime that you didn't commit. It disgusts me and I am a police officer.
Peter Palmer five fingers , how about being a real police officer? Being a real cop n all YOU would look at the evidence
Peter, I applaud you! Thanks for your service!
Peter Palmer it’s not your fault you were born in America..it’s a sorry country in a multitude of respects and this case among many, just highlights that.
@Peter Palmer the persons responsible for these crimes will perish in hell. Justice served. Life is temporary.
@Peter Palmer Yes sir, disturbing at best.
They should have got the chair.
The state has to stand behind the charges otherwise they will get sued. That is what the plea deal was about. Our justice system is so corrupt these days. Innocent people waste away in jail or prison until they cop to a plea just to get out.
purechaos2000 You can't sue the state of Arkansas, they have sovereign immunity. Look it up. You can petition the state, but in ends there.
Maggie Carpenter You can and here is a link to lawyers who regularly sue cities and the state. www.littlerockpersonalinjurylawyer.co/little-rock-arkansas-government-liability-lawyer.html
Maggie Carpenter Oh and some further information. You cannot name the state as a defendant, but they have a commission to deal with lawsuits and you can sue individual state officers including the governor.
@@PureChaos that's what they need to do if they could but im thinking that's why they took that plea so they couldn't come back on the state or the ones that had them locked up because it would have been the district attorney's office that one would have to go up agaisn't in the supreme courts of appeals.
I can't concentrate on what they're saying cause I keep listening to Eddie Vedder in the backround
Lisa Anneliese Theron same here!!! So amazing
@@justdance0091 you disgusting
I don’t believe for one minute those boys were guilty,That was a witch hunt,how sad their lives were ruined,I hope they can recover from that whole thing
Good actor.
Yeah, they put Echols on death row because he wore black T shirts and listened to heavy metal music. Couldn't possibly be anything more to it eh? Nothing left to look into... the Paradise Lost series told us everything we need to know!
The DNA ended the case and you should stop with the bs
Do you mean Steve Branch's DNA on Damien's necklace@@gavinbrando8255
No.. the detectives had no evidence.. they had a mentally handicapped person tell them a story.. to suit their time line.. the Black guy in Bojangles.. who was he? why was he Bloody and muddy? Why did it take so long for the police to investigate that.. enough time for the guy to leave.. What about the step father? how did he get the boy's Stevey grandfather's pocket knife? Why wasn't the other boy's step-father with the knife (which had blood on it) not tested.. and the blood also not tested from the Bojangles Restaurant? @CLARK KNOWLTON?
+fos sch I agree. I feel sorry for the 8 y. old poor boys. But, I also feel sorry for this kids who lost almost two decades of their life. It's very sad case.
There's not any single evidence linking them to this murders. No DNA, no physical evidence, NOTHING !!! SHAME ON THE MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SHAME ON THE JUSTICE SYSTEM OF ARKANSAS !!! Who knows how many more innocent ppl are on death row now. I'm so glad I don't live in USA-when I'll see something like this.
Thanks GOD for the supporters, otherwise they would still be in jail, coz the Police and the State Justice System will never admit their mistakes.
+fos sch The blood at the Bojangles restaurant was "lost" so it wasn't able to be tested. Such shit. And the first officer that responded to the restaurant DIDN'T EVEN GO INSIDE she went through the drive thru!!!
fos sch bojanles arm was in a cast did you know that?
Miskelly was not mentally handicapped or retarded, you people keep pushing that shit ,because Miskelly is the only one of the three that is racked with guilt .and could confess at any moment.
They led misskelly in his "Confession"
Damien and Jason NEVER say the names of the true west Memphis three, stevie, christopher and Michael.
Who that be, is that da boys he killed g
Cuz they are guilty and they are selfish
It's a good day to be alive. Never give up the fight.
Stay strong bud
Hope you are still doing well!!
I hope your still doing fine. Bless you!
Most people know what you did May 5, 1993, Damien. You sick F*ck.
Tell that to the three boys you murdered.
I will NEVER forget seeing the 1st Paradise Lost...I felt so connected to Damien in particular. His friends reminded me of my friends when I was 15-16. I am 38 now. I wore crazy evil jewelery because that's what was cool. I even wore actual crow's feet as jewelery. I wore all black, I read books about black magic out of curiosity, I listened to nothing but metal, METALLICA was (and still is) my favorite band. What happened to Damien, Jason and Jessie could have easily happened to me.
omg is that michael hutchence i love it lmfao
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Yeah.. and that’s exactly the reason those three.. (twice convicted triple child murderers) got out of prison. Because knuckle heads like Henry Rollins, Eddie Vedder and people like yourself identified with and felt sorry for them and weren’t in any way interested in looking into the ‘true facts’ of the case. Don’t treat this guy as any kind of hero.. he’s a cold blooded murderer, pure and simple.
So what?
You didn't read all the damning evidence obviously.
@@orgyhepburn2761 damning evidence like what? no dna linking them to the scene? the stepdad lying about where and when he last saw the boys? the stepdad breaking into a woman’s house and sexually assaulting her (implying he has a violent past), the stepdad having dna connotations linking him to the scene? the stepdad’s hair being tied into the hogtie? tell me what evidence there is linking the boys to the murders. because actually, jessie misskelly had a really strong alibi, despite saying said he was an accessory to the murders.
I think Jason Baldwin is the real hero here
I don't concern myself with all this hatred. I'm living my life and glad to be alive.
Glad to hear it Damien! Keep your head up! Sending my best from NJ to you, Jason, Jessie and your families!
There were six witnesses to the crime... three of them are dead and screaming for justice from their graves... and the other three, are treated as celebrities and looked upon as saints.
Apparently you were there too. If not how would you know?
😂😂😂😂@@ashleycarter4600
Have any of u researched this and not jus te HBO document, look at the court documents, they r free to public, these boys at the tie did not do this, it's terrible how this case was handled, this isn't jus a one time issue, this happens all the time innocents in jail!
I became so passionate after seeing the 1st documentary (when I was only 14) that yes, I delved as deep into both sides of the evidence as possible. Guilty or not, I just wanted to form a solid opinion NOT based solely on the films, and encourage all other WM3 supporters to dig as deep as they can. However, the movies are really good, and provide a great starting point for people who don't know the case. In all of my research,I've never heard ONE PIECE of murder evidence against the West Memphis 3. And you are totally right about how the police are to blame for botching the case and denying justice to the victims, their families, and the wrongfully convicted WM3, by circling the career wagons and lying to protect the "integrity" of every elected official and/or lawyer climbing the career ladder. Many of the police department, justice system, and attorneys that benefited from this outrageous wrongful conviction can't admit they made a mistake, b/c to do so would be career suicide. Shameful.
Apparently you didn’t do your research well enough as well cause they are all guilty !
these boys are innocent THEY WERE framed.
@@monicaalvarez6383 Such a persuasive “argument!” 🙄
Why is Terry Hobbs not on death row?
If they killed those children, they escaped the justice from this life!! but is coming another justice they will not escape!!
I sooo much hope that you're right!
I became so passionate after seeing the 1st documentary (when I was only 14) that I delved as deep into both sides of the evidence as possible. Guilty or not, I just wanted to form a solid opinion NOT based solely on the films, and I encourage all other WM3 supporters to dig as deep as they can. However, the movies are really good, and provide a great starting point for people who don't know the case.
In all of my research, I've never heard ONE PIECE of murder evidence against the West Memphis 3. And the police are to blame for botching the case so badly that they've not only made it impossible for the public to know who killed the kids, but b/c of incompetence, corruption, and greed they have ensured that justice will never be served to the victims, their families, and the wrongfully convicted WM3, by circling the career wagons and lying to protect the "integrity" of every elected official and/or lawyer climbing the career ladder. Many of the police department, justice system, and attorneys that benefited from this outrageous wrongful conviction can't admit they made a mistake, b/c to do so would be career suicide. But what kind of people value a career over true justice in the murders of three 8 year old kids? Shameful.
I can't believe this guy is allowed to profit off of the child murders he got convicted of.
I have one question I'm sure many others have but I've never heard it asked and I'd love to know the answer. We all know that Damien was just one of several names on a list that Mr. Driver gave to the police. He was asked to come up with a list of JUVENILES that he personally thought could've been involved. My question is....with this being such a heinous crime, why would anyone ever think that another child could have committed such gruesome murders? Especially so soon in the investigation?!? What made them take that leap to begin with?
The West Memphis police was under immense pressure to solve the case. Unfortunately it was well out of their league. They should have had SBI, FBI come in to assist, but being a redneck good ole boy corrupt dept., they were afraid of outsiders seeing their "dirty laundry" ie bribes, drug trafficking, etc. So they railroaded easy targets - 3 trailer trash kids with no means to defend themselves.
@@barragin9893 I agree 100%. It was all such a tragedy and no one will ever have closure or justice. All 6 of those boys and their families deserved so much better than what they got.
Guilty as Sin
This whole case is horrific! The children who were murdered and their families suffered so much and these boys who were children themselves were railroaded by the state. They and their families have suffered the same injustice. In essence the killer took the lives of more than the three little boys. There needs to be laws protecting defendants from crooked police, lawyers, judges, and jurors. Anyone who knowingly has a hand in convicting a person of a crime should be prosecuted themselves. I don't understand how these boys could have been convicted on the "evidence" presented at the trials (there was no physical or even circumstantial evidence produced at either trial), but no one has even been charged with the more compelling DNA evidence that was uncovered after the convictions. Even though they've identified the two other people whose DNA was found at the crime scene and on at least one of the victims. The state of Arkansas needs to put on their "big boy pants" and right this wrong, there are consequences to their actions and they need to pardon these men and pay up, this is the least they can do! Sadly, this is probably not the first time this has happened and judging by the way this case has been handled, unfortunately, it probably won't be the last........
You're right, it is absolutely horrendous, the authorities should've done their job rather than pin it on the easiest suspect. What I find just as bad are the people that open their big uneducated mouths saying Damien, Jason, and Jessie did it. Exactly what they need to do is find the Bojangles' man, I am thinking he was a homeless man living in the woods and either witnessed, or committed the crime. However, this man is long gone and the cops blew it big time. They don't even know what he looks like, isn't that just horrible? I am positive either Stevens, Michael's or Christopher's father did it- maybe even all three of the sick bastards were in on it. Unfortunately, the authorities didn't care who did it- they were being pressured by the state to find the murderers and get the case off of their desks. I am happy that the boys got out of prison, but I am unhappy they can't sue the state because of that damn Alford Plea. As of August 19th, it will mark them being out of prison for three years. Yes, that is three years of freedom, but it's also three years of not being exonerated- another three years the state has gone without doing their job, and another three years the real murderers have walked freely. I just want this case to be solved in the worst way, it's not fair to Damien, Jason, or Jessie.
I totally agree with you, it's amazing the boys were arrested and convicted with no evidence at all, they never found anything that linked any of the teenagers to that crime. However, they have DNA from Hobbs and his friend found at the crime scene and that's not enough for an arrest? It's crazy! Hobbs' DNA was found to be a hair in the center of a knot made to hog tie his step son and his friend's DNA was found on a tree next to one of the boys' bodies. My guess, it was one (or both) of them who left the blood all over Bojangles. It really just makes me sick the "powers that be" in that community have chosen to allow the REAL killer(s) of 3 innocent children to get away with murder. Last time I checked DNA was considered solid evidence. Shame on all of those who had a hand in sending these boys to prison and shame on those who have played any part in keeping them in prison over the years. The Governor can pardon them and give them their lives back, but shame on him if he doesn't right this wrong. It's so wrong this could happen to anyone in our country, but what makes it worse is those who have the power to fix it, have chosen to do nothing.
Stacy L Hobbs hair wasn't found inside a ligature. Surely you aren't that stupid. It could have been the DNA of any one of over millions of people. Six confessions and you can't find a reason for guilt?
No Linda I'm not stupid. The DNA evidence I'm referring to belonged to the step father of one of the murdered boys, and that hair was found intertwined in the ligature used to tie up another victim, and the other DNA evidence found at the crime scene was from Hobb's alibi. Hmmm, I find it interesting people with your mindset can excuse DNA evidence left at the crime scene and on a victim, but you're willing to condemn the WM3 with no physical evidence linking any of them to the crime scene or the victims? Nothing from not even one boy, 3 teenage boys left nothing? Just to clear something up for you, DNA is exclusive to only one person, example, you are the only person with your DNA profile. Also, did you ever ask yourself why Jessie made "6 confessions"? Let me enlighten you, Jessie is boarder line mentally challenged, his IQ was between 65-70, his first statement didn't fit the scenario the police had determined and he was interrogated and fed information until he gave them what they wanted, he was interrogated without his parents (yes, he was a minor), no legal council, and oddly enough, of all the hours and hours of police interrogation only the "confession" the police wanted was taped. There are several reasons why the Supreme Court granted a new trial. Why don't you read their decision and maybe you can really understand the injustice brought upon the WM3. It's obvious your opinion is based on how you feel about who the WM3 were and not the facts in the case and that's unfortunate, judgmental, and frankly, wrong. I've spent many hours researching this case so I could make an intelligent and informed decision based on the facts and I know, based on the facts of the case, the WM3 should never have been tried, not to mention convicted. Speaking of the conviction, how can you condone juror misconduct? If you've done your homework and know anything about this case, you would know, the jury convicted these boys on "evidence" that was never presented during trial and that's indisputable, the notes are in the jury foreman's own handwriting. I can only ask, before you start to insult the intelligence of another, you first gather all of the information on a subject, set aside your personal feelings, take in all the facts so you have the ability to make an informed decision about how you arrived at your opinion. Our judicial system is supposed to be based on fact, not whether you like the defendant(s), lady justice is blindfolded for a reason.
Stacy L Stacy, you seemingly have a decent command of English, but your lack of new paragraphs and punctuation is wanting. That being said, I don't have the time nor inclination to tread ground that has been covered time and time again, but I'll digress momentarily.
Hobbs DNA was not found at the crime scene. DNA consistent with Hobbs was found on a shoelace and representative of 1.5% of the population; that's millions of candidates notwithstanding variability. My guess was it was secondary transfer.
If you've ever been on a jury and clearly, you haven't, you would know that courts allow (and convict with) circumstantial evidence alone. While circumstantial doesn't indicate direct culpability, it by definition infers such. Echols lies, lack of credible alibi, medical history, failing polygraphs, court demeanor all indicate guilt. Moreover, he can be placed near the scene and couple that with the Misskelly confessions (disallowed) converts guilt. Were there hick-ups in the trial? You bet. Could there have been cause for mistrial? You bet, again. But a second trail would have dealt the same correct blow; guilty.
I grew up in WM and knew many of the players. I've read jivepuppi, wm3truth, callahan8k and yes, have seen the propaganda of Paradise Lost. My professional background is in chemistry and I understand DNA and forensics better than most lay people. I have no doubt as to their guilt and I dismissed you as a serious doubter when you mentioned Misskelley's IQ. The man has a college degree!
Echols could have taken it to trial but he instigated and copped the Alford Plea. As I've stated before, I would have easily convicted Echols and Baldwin alone on circumstantial evidence although I know things about this case many people are not aware. I'll say one thing for Jessie, he has a soul and as far as I'm concerned, an absolved soul.
Lastly, even though justice was served temporarily for 18 years, this case stopped being about justice many years ago. It's about money; Hollywood money. The money that thinks it's doing good when in fact, it's in bed with evil. Even Depp has left Echols side after seeing the lies spewed on Piers Morgan.
They are guilty as hell! Disgusting how Damian is getting his 15 min. of fame.....pure evil...Damian is a duplicit trickster like Ted Bundy! My opinion.
You're an idiot.
Alright so they wear black t shirts & listen to heavy metal ... GUILTY!
You'd think that's perhaps a signal that you need to look into it further eh? Yeah... people get put on death row everyday, purely based on their music and fashion choices... makes perfect sense!
This isn't about Metallica t-shirts and black nail polish. This is about a river of lies told in the wake of a triple homicide. Jason says he was hanging out with Damien until about 6:30 on the night of the killings. However, Damien says he was with his family, not with Jason. He swears he stayed home the entire evening -- but a friend who called at 8:00 was told Damien was not at home.
Yeah
I think they are all innocent I think Terry Hobbs did it honestly I'm just so done
Misskelley gave the police ZERO additional information of the crime or crime scene that wasn't provided to him BY THE POLICE !
Why is that ?
Oh..... he is a master mind deviant..... Damian is the leader just look at his body language he did or know who did ..... oh. A jar of testicles in his room .... how was that planted....hahaha. Someone explain that
Source?
It's called an Alford guilty plea. Which in simple terms means "I'm guilty but I didn't do it." The defendant pleads innocent and acknowledges that there is some evidence that could be used to convict them.
I am so glad that they were released! I watched a documentary on them in one of my Crim Jus classes and I could tell by the lack of evidence that they were innocent!! God is so good!!
Are you taking Political Science or Law?
HOW IS GOD SO GOOD? WAS GOD GOOD WHEN HE ALLOWED THOSE 3 BOYS TO BE MUTILATED TORTURED AND MURDERED? WAS GOD GOOD WHEN 3 BOYS LOST THEIR INNOCENCE BY BEING FALSELY ACCUSED OF MURDERS? WAS GOD GOID WHEN THE STATE OF ARKANSAS ALLOWED THESE BOYS TO BE RAPED AND BEATEN IN PRISON FOR A CRIME THEY WERE NOT A PART OF? STOP IT WITH THE WHOLE GOD BULLSHIT! IF GOD CAN DO ANYTHING THEN HES A SICK SICK GOD! GOD DOESNT EXIST !
@@tonispring4875 WAS GOD GOOD WHEN HE ALLOWED 3 MONSTERS WHO HORRIBLY TORTURED AND KILLED 3 POOR LITTLE BOYS TO GET OUT OF PRISON AND EVEN TO BECOME "STARS APPLAUDED" BY UN/MISINFORMED PEOPLE?
get a bunch of celebrities to support manson and he will be free to
What kinda potato was used to record this?
Guilty as charged
The cub scout leader was never questioned?!
Echols is extremely intelligent. It didn't surprise me when they conned Jesse into the confession.
WMPD didn't con him at all. Jessie was the only one who had a conscience and told the truth. Keep defending child killers.
@x-ray you’re so stupid. omg
@@BusterCherry1 It's impossible isn't it? You just can't get through to these totally duped and docile wood-heads. They actually believe these guys were the victims!!!
@@BusterCherry1 the only child killer here is Terry.
@@shadowbabe4396 Terry Hobbs was surely not the best husband and father, but *he has nothing to do* with the murders of those poor children, the ones who tortured and killed those poor little boys are Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jessie Misskelley.
Learn the true facts "outside" the "deceitful campaign in their favor" and you will agree with me....at least, if you want to know the truth and what really happened and not to believe at all costs and no matter what, that they're innocent.
I love how that reporter emphases "he says" in his account of Echols. The WM3 were innocent. The State of Arkansas is corrupt.
The state of Arkansas is STILL corrupt. I won't even drive through there. I'd rather go hundreds of miles out of my way and shit my own pants to bypass that hellhole
@@riverlehmann71 Lol 😂
I’m Australian and I lived in the states for 5 years. I drove through at least 40 states and never did I once say “Hey let’s go to Arkansas!”
Completely and I love how Damien talks about the 3 little WMIII angels and their families… respect.
awwwwww.....poor baby. He had a hard time in jail????? Guess what...... those kids that he killed cannot do anything.....they are DEAD!!!!!!!!!! He IS NOT innocent. Anyone who doesn't think this guy is a complete psychopath must not venture out into the world much.
Damien wife is actually very pretty. She sort of reminds me of Kim Basinger even though Kim is blonde. Very pretty. I think it's really incredible he was released and this marriage lasts.
That’s your thoughts? His pretty wife and they’re still together? Wow
So much more to the man than what he did to those kids, and cats and some dogs
The fact that Hollywood celebs are supporting them tells me they're guilty
The other real tragedy in this story is that no one is looking for the real killer...
looking forward to the new movie books ect God Bless
I can't see this stuff anymore, that dude didn't lose his last 18 years. He was gaining his next murderous life,to act like I'm normal person
I'd like to see an FBI profilers take on this crime. They could provide a clue on whether this was a single killer, the age range of the perpetrator etc.
The blood on "Jason's" necklace was Jason you simpleton. Just happened to have the same blood type of one the boys.
How do they travel to other countries with a felony conviction?
what is the deal with Natalie maines.. weird weird weird gal
I think since he was technically "guilty" because of his plea deal, he gave up any right to sue or recover damages.
They are innocent deal with it ...and I stand behind them 100 % all this negativity is being posted by a bunch of backwoods bigots.....
canitka ptulos he probably can't read to begin with, given his language skills 👍🏼
guarddog22 What evidence?
+Dr. Winston O'boogie perhaps a confession from the horses mouth listen to that carefully over and over imagine that was your 8 year old son and then defend them
lets see...plea guilty or go back to jail for life or even DEATH....which would you choose? I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD CHOOSE
okay then let's test the blood evidence again for a positive ID especially on the Echols necklace blood. then we'll know for sure.
Yes, but then the WM3 lovers will claim the test was rigged and the cops are corrupt. Unfortunately, there's always enough bad police work to give them wiggle room. In the end, the test that matters is common sense. That's ultimately why the WM3 were found guilty.
poeticjustice2000 oh well you can dispute but where's the evidence to prove it. You have to honor a positive DNA match to within one of 8 billion people.
OJ's jury didn't honor it. Neither did Robert Blake's jury.
wm3 were found guilty so there was no need but this is for the public to finally know and the public is the one who has to make up their mind on the results and the evidence of a cover-up. there was blood evidence and fiber evidence. the prosecution couldn't bring that up but was warned by the judge if they kept saying there wasn't any blood evidence he was going to allow luminol results into evidence. it showed blood all over the banks.
with OJ well of course when you have a Prejudice jury considering the evidence of blood testing you can run into problems but any sane individual has to honor that type of test after debunking a conspiracy theory that would have the entire police department guilty of obstruction.
there was no physical evidence linking Blake to the crime scene I just got through reading up on that case.
Steve, I appreciate your grasp of these cases! I would just say that "reasonable doubt" doesn't require the reason to be a good one. Doubting the competence of the police is a legitimate doubt. As for Blake, he himself was physically at the scene. Beyond a video of the killing -- what more physical evidence could be supplied?
You got very lucky with your Wife...She got lucky too....Keep up the good life...the good life.!
Its awesome to see they have come out of this with their heads up high and getting along with their lives. I really do hope the murderer is found.
They did it
They sound very educated and Damien reminds me kind of the main singer of Depechemode
They are guilty wtf! Why were they released?
Disgusting. These baby killers should have never been released. 😡
These 3 were guilty as Hell. And that is where they will spend eternity.
Definitely not
there are many urban legends tied to this case.
6:05 i wanna be at that party
Even some of the parents of the victims (im talking about the 8 year old victims, not Echols, Baldwin or Misskelley now) helped getting them free due to it beins so incredibly obvious that they were innocent. Why dont you want the real killer(s) punished instead? Is it really better to punish any randoms rather than none at all? Cause it was "any randoms" that sat 18 years in prison in this case.
I've been persecuted all my life, one more won't make any difference.
I'm so sorry you were put through that .you are a decent man those corrupt cops need to pay for the hell you've been through those boys that died deserve justice the true killer needs to go to jail they should pay you money for taking your freedom!
Not really Echols
My heart goes out to all you three.
You aren't the victim Damien, but nice try.
Ive looked at all the evidence thats on line, and all documentries and I still cant tell.
I kinda remember Echols bragging about always being remembered as the Boogyman in his hometown, like he was proud of the murders or something.To me it seemed like an admission of guilt.
Chris Ramirez I know what you’re talking about, it was the last interview segment in Paradise Lost. It didn’t seem like he was happy about it to me.
Because he was strange. He was more to himself, shy and all. It doesn't make him a murderer. These three are not. One of the step parents did this crime and had an accomplice. Watch their documentary.
So you've never been a stupid teenager and say something dumb? He was innocent. He made a mockery of it because it was an absolutely preposterous trial! He didn't actually think he was going to be convicted of a crime he didn't commit. He erroneously had more faith in the justice system than it deserved.
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Hobbs says the hair found could be his, “all those little boys played at our home.”
Hobbs DNA was at the crime scene because there was a hair in some of the rope. That rope was taken by the boys from the house. How does one old man assault, rape and kill 3 energetic boys a at THE SAME TIME?. HOBBS had an Alibi that checked out. These 3 murderers had NO ALIBI How was Echols able to give accurate details about the murder scene if he wasnt there? He said he read it in the paper, but the information was not released for another 3 days. He was caught lying on the stand over 20 times. WTF? This is bullshit. He wasnt a suspect because of the way he dressed. He was a suspect because he went and told 2 people he just killed some kids!! That was a fact of the case.
JusticeForTheSilenced First of all Echols is accused and found guilty for one simple reason. Hobbs most certainly had an alibi. To think Hobbs was capable of pulling off a triple homicide requires the complete suspension of critical thinking. The man couldn't tie one knot let alone three separate knots. John Douglas is nothing more than a gun for hire, it you think differently, then you probably think J Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolsen weren't gay. And it was Pam Hobbs who said Terry may have done it. This is the same Pam Hobbs that would sell her mother's soul for $100 worth of dope. The Bayou was filled with dispersants (soap) from the nearby Blue Beacon Truck wash which helped remove what little blood there was. You see, 50lb kids only have about 1-2 pints of blood to spill before the circulatory system fails; there wasn't that much blood as -l u m i n o l- tests What else you got?
stonesthrow420 I do think Hobbs was involved in the murders. 3 witnesses saw him with the boys that night and it was not rope that they where tied with it was there shoe laces. Jessie Misskelly had an alibi and so did Jason and Damien. I think they were wrongly convicted. And a lot of people seem to forget about as people call him "Mr. Bojangles". He was covered in blood and mud and the cops lost the blood sample. This investagation was fucked up.
You need to get your money back on the "studies".
I can't believe there are people that think they are guilty... ignorance is a disease
They literally are
The american justice system is so fucked up! I hope from the bottom of my heart that the real killer/s will be found! Damien, Jason and Jessie deserves living there freedom as truly free men!
He just posted from/on another site that he doesn't bully people christian, and look and what he wrote.
next he will be telling people he will be looking for the real killers
Even worse than O.J. At least with O.J., you knew jury nullification was present. This was just pressure from the Hollywood elite to get child killers out of prison because they're of the same ilk.
Penso che sia stato quel uomo xhe e andato nell tavola calda
Killer.
The step dad of one them kids done it
Laurie is a doll. So is Damien. They're soul mates.
Well said. However, the WM3 aren't off scott free. They are on probation; Alford probation. One screw up and they could easily go back to prison. The first to go will be Misskelly. It's hard to believe he can function outside a prison when it's the only real home he has ever known.
One of the dads did it
They are innocent :(
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They did not do it! I never believed it! It was a kangaroo court trial! Those three young men got bamboozled!
I took a criminal class in high school back in 2004 and we sat through watching every second of this case. And it literally stuck with me as a child to hear and have to study it then the other day I seen the video posted on amazon and watched it again and decided to look up them and see what was new and what they look like now and found out they were released. I'm shocked but always thought john mark Byers was guilty since those days in my high school class
TERRY HOBBS HAIR FOLLICLE WAS FOUND IN STEVEN BRANCHES RESTRAINT IE HIS SHOELACE THAT WAS USED TOP TIE HIM UP. IT WAS FOUND IN THE FKN KNOT THAT WAS MADE.
Nope both step dad's had alibis I know they like to point the blame. On someone else to get it off if themselves. But go back and read. Damien had a long history of killing animals threatening his family and time in mental hospitals. But they don't want to share that. He was the one who brought up witch craft. Watch him during the trial. He flipped off the families of these victims and blew them kisses. Jesse miskelly had nightmares and was the only one who had a conscious. Jason Baldwin skinned snakes. There's a lot.
' we all 3 innocent' he says whilst shaking his head
Well done guys always knew yous were INNOCENT well done God bless yous 3
It's surreal you're living with a killer okay
All Damien and his friend did was listen to the truth through their choice of music. At that time Metallica was singing about the govt and its sheep. These three teenagers where at the wrong place at the wrong time. This small town didn't want to face the fact that there was a cold hearted murderer(s) they instead proceeded to point the finger, with no true evidence, towards these three teenagers who were going through a phase, just like most teenagers do, and stood out in the crowd. They painted this picture of them incriminating them by saying they were Satanist when they were nothing close to that. This was a horrible le trial not only did six families go through hell but these three little innocent boys who were murdered are not at peace their true killer(s) are yet to be found and these families have no true answers as to what truly happened.
This channel is biased and "hides" (deletes) the comments of those who disagree with Echols' innocence....I repost the reply I wrote for you a second time with a second account:
You're completely wrong and you've bought, hook, line and sinker, all the LIES told in "their" biased movies and documentaries.
Those 3 ARE really the ones who tortured in an horrific way (while they were still alive) and killed those poor 3 little boys. I know in detail what has been done to them....it's difficult to believe that there are human beings who can do such things to others, in particular, to children.
It's not true there was no evidence against them, there was a lot .....but if you listen to them themselves and their supporters only you will believe that bs about 3 poor teenagers fingered by the police just because they wore black and listened to heavy metal music.....really a big BS!
Learn about the true facts on the "west of memphis three facts - home" site.
Bye
jasonmel1125 IS TERRY HOBBS ????????
"I WAS BASICALLY LEARNING HOW TO WALK AGAIN.."
Wow LMAO.. This kid is running away with it!
Damien Rubensson yah his going abit in but i think he means freely forward from 18 years of only being able to go 3 steps in any given direction.
No shit
I know right he acts like there isn't people in history who been locked up longer n could walk just fine🤦extra
I guess some people never learned about metaphors in English class...
What song was playing at 13:00, I know it's Eddie Vedder, but I don't recognize the song
It is really odd. Fogelman, Burnett and Gitchell was so afraid that who they thought was quilty would get away with it. So they did any thing they could to punish them. Fogelman, Burnett and Gitchell are guilty of torturing three innocent boys, Damien, Jason, and Jessie. They did it for 18 years and got away with it.
It's easy not to carry hatred and resentment when you are actually guilty and manage to bust out of prison on a lie.
They know they're lucky they didn't executed years ago.
Lorri Davis wants to know WHO committed those murders.....well, no need to go that far, one of them is sitting right next to you Lorri....you have married one of those "WHO committed the murders"!!!!
@WM Three Facts I think you're right! Personally, being Italian, I knew nothing about this case, I just stumbled across a video which spoke about it....and since I hate those hypocritical "pro-innocence campaigns" that have become fashionable in my country in the last two decades too, and that aim to take out of prison "ascertained murderers" (150% guilty) lying to the uninformed public opinion, I wanted to see if those three were freed thanks to, indeed, a deceitful campaign or not, and I discovered that it went exactly like I thought!
Well, I discovered also that the "campaign" in favor to those three teenagers has been the forerunner for all the other that have followed, both in the US and in Italy (a bit everywhere) and that had been all created along the lines of this one (documentaries, websites, books and so on).
Sincerely, before to learn about this case and all what happened around it, I though that the very first "guilty wrongly convicted one" who got away thanks to a media "innocent campaign" was Amanda Knox, but she's not, these three have been the REAL first ones!
Yes, I don't believe either that Lorri Davis truly believe that his beloved husband (goood, you must be really desperate to marry a child-torturer who's on the death row) is a poor innocent wrongly convicted. If it's true what she said, i.e. that she learned about this case watching the "Lost paradise" first documentary which would have aroused in her so much interest in the case (or, more likely an interest of other nature in the creepy appeal of one of the main "actors"), I strongly doubt that she didn't get some more information reading the official documents (the prosecutor point of view) too.....and sorry, each one who owns a brain (and she seems being a clever one) going through the (true) facts and details, can't come to any other conclusion if not that they are guilty as hell!
Then she PRETENDS to believe in his husband innocence....but do you know what's the worst part of these hypocritical "innocence campaigns"? That to make people believe that their "protected" are innocent, they maliciously point the finger at REAL INNOCENT ONES!!!
(and not caring at all about the pain they can cause to the people they chose as "substitutes")
And the gullible ones who watch those lying documentaries are even not able to realize that those people want them to believe that their protected murderers would have been blamed and even convicted nonetheless there was no evidence pointing to their guilt (which is untrue).....making them blindly believe that some others, against whom there's even less evidence...if not NONE at all, would be the real GUILTY ones!!!! ...... What a hypocrisy!
@WM Three Facts Thanks for the links!
Unfortunately I didn't watch the three Paradise Lost movies, just the West of Memphis documentary, but I don't think a minute the film makers unwillingly created such extremely biased movies based on their truly personal thoughts.....in my opinion, they didn't act in good faith: they omitted too many incriminating facts, they twisted some others, and put a great emphasis just on the fact that the prosecutor would have focused on those three JUST BECAUSE of their dress style and because they would be "poor and outcast".
They've also spoken about the "satanic" issue as it was just an obsession that the prosecutor had: in reality, at least Damien Echols, was really a KNOWN devil worshipper and being he a paranoid schizophrenic (diagnosed) the risk that he didn't limit himself just on playing "the satanist" (like the most of them) but that he could be able to put ...into practice some "rituals" was very high, and in fact, he DID IT! He needed to be locked into a mental hospital.....
I have also the "suspect" (a strong one) that lots of people have been PAID by them (by film makers and WM3 supporters) for LYING:
- you see in the documentary a young man, a Carson if I recall right, who's the one who testified in court that Jason Baldwin told him that "he cut Byer's genitals" ......telling now that "he doesn't know WHY he told those things" (how could he not know.....WHY???), well, he didn't tell that "he lied" either...probably fearing to be accused having "committed perjury", which at least in my country is very serious and you risk to be put in jail, I don't know what happens in the US though
- you see a young girl who claims (after all those years.....better later than never 😉) having seen, that day, Terry Hobbs with the three children at about 6.30 pm in Hobb's garden......but sorry, as far as I know there's another woman who testified (in 1993 and....pro bono!) that she saw the three boys passing through her garden at about the same time, and she lived near the Robin Hood Hills, they could not be in two different places at the same time....one of the two is lying, who knows which one....
- you see even a pathologist, a Dr. Di Maio, telling that the injuries on the poor boys' bodies would have been inflicted "post-mortem" (to make people believe that the kids weren't tortured by those inhuman monsters, but that some turtles passing by caused those wounds when they were already dead underwater)
Well, I saw the autopsy pictures too, those injuries were not at all inflicted "post-mortem".....unfortunately, I'd have preferred they would....but they were not! HE'S A LIAR!
Anyway, I find this one of the most cruel crime of all times (in particular....having been done to little children), it's unforgivable!!!! At least they had admitted having done it, it could be possible to take into account the fact that one was mentally ill and the other two very young, influenceable ones......but since, except for Misskelley that seems to be the only one feeling remorse for what he did, they didn't confess, on the contrary, they have even the guts to try to accuse someone else KNOWING that they're the ones who did it, which is one of the worst thing that human beings can do to other human beings (after what they did to those kids) THEY DON'T DESERVE TO BE FORGIVEN.....and since they love the Devil that much, I wish them to go to.....HELL and meet him!
@@rosamila1758 Your brain has issues
@@plutoneptune At least I have ONE, unlike you.
Anyone else noticed they're holding the wrong I.D's ??
Echols DID IT. study his reactions and demeanor....... Guilty......... it’s sad he actually gets off on the stardom....... his day will come ....
"Study his reactions and demeanor" LOL!!
I will assume you left out the word "had" from your post. That being said, I shall ask you to recall this statement however bias: "It looks like Damien Echols finally killed somebody".
Grande história, prova viva de esperança e fé!
Me tornei super fã!
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