Simon Jordan SLAMS Accusations Of Chelsea & Aston Villa Selling Kellyman & Maatsen To Help With PSR!
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2024
- Alex Crook joins Simon Jordan & Jim White to discuss Chelsea recently selling Omari Kellyman and Ian Maatsen to Aston Villa and what that means for PRS.
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This isn't a scheme... It's the clubs' response to a scheme.
First people called for rules that meant some clubs couldn't spend their cash, now people want rules to prevent some clubs selling their players.
Except that’s not what happened at all. It was brought in to stop dodgy owners spending money way beyond there means and bankrupting the club. Like Leeds and Portsmouth
Yeah cause they overspent in previous years dummy
So now they have to catch back up
Exactly....and still some think the rules are for " the good of the game". The whole thing has become ridiculous! Let clubs build the best squad they can they best way they can and play the football! Football survived WWII without these rules.
To everyone chatting pure waffle - Maguire cost United 80 million 5 years ago remember that. From a Villa point of view do you think we want to sell Douglas Luiz? Kellyman is our most exciting academy prospect and has played first team games and been in the squad many times and still very young we don’t want to sell him believe me but rules that the premier league make to stop teams catching up the traditional top six have caused teams to have to do theses things. we didn’t want to sell Grealish too when that happened we have some of the richest owners in football but these rules won’t let us spend what we can afford to so we have to get creative and try and do the best we can to catch up now we have made the Champions League.
Exactly we're just following the rules although Jack did want to go to a Champions League club at the time so nothing we could do with or without the rules I suspect
Not really a Villa academy player stole him from Derby county 18 months ago
@@peterdinsey7178 We didn't steal him dude he's our academy player
He was at Derby County from 2012 - 2022 and had to sell because they went into administration FACT@@dennisgoatimer1079
Just to be clear, just because Alex Crook has not heard of Kellyman doesn't mean he is not worth 19 million. It is not an inflated price, very promiseing youngster! Perhaps Alex Crook should do his job
He's valued at €1m. It's an inflated price don't be so daft 🤣.
@CJ4YRD lavia was sold for £14.5m with a 20% sell on having played 90 minutes. We sold carney 2 seasons ago for £20m and he had 3 starts. Brewster and Ibe we also inflated values going back a few years...
@@CJ4YRD He's not valued at €1m at all. Stop getting your nonsense values from fan-run websites where they can put whatever nonsense numbers they want.
@Time2LevelUp
TransferMarkt says €1m
FotMob says €1.5m
Football Tranfers says €0.6m to €1m
That's 3 different places all saying the same thing.
Get off his Corey.. he won't sleep with you.
@@CJ4YRDFootball doesn't work like that Dude
West Ham just spent 25 million on an unknown 18 year old Brazilian no one said a peep because he’s got a fancy Brazilian name
Are you serious ? That unknown 18 year Old Brazilian has played over 45 games in a top league a release clause of over 50m and is valued at 25-30m by every reputation footballing publication so West ham getting him for 25m in this crazy world we live in is good business now you can agree if there are better more experienced players there could get for the price but that's a matter of preference
@@miguelhackett4352 either way it doesn't matter. until there is a system that regulates player valuation all is game. players been inflated since day one. the rice the enzo the caicedos the bellinghums the Osimhens clubs put a price on their heads no calculation that justified these fees they just went with gut feeling. why is it a problem?
@@miguelhackett4352Top League? Brazilian League is not even a top 20 League in the world.
@@skyshooter4009 yes you're right that's why barca spent 88m on Neymar and real spent so much to bring rodrygo,vini and endrick from it
@@miguelhackett4352Real paid 40m for Vini when he hasn’t even played as professional game!
A player of Ian Maatsen is actually worth at least 50 million in todays market. And, if Omari was South American they won't be crying about his fees.
Simon Jordan is wrong. The Chelsea and Villa owners don't need to have some sort of connection or know each other to do these sort of deals. Villa and Chelsea and Villa and Everton were helping each other out to navigate FFP.
And what did we expect?We have these rules suddenly flooding the game, literally in the middle of rebuilding and building phases. If I'm an owner of a club and I have a 10 yr vision and in the middle rules pop up which don't benefit everyone, why wouldn't I try to find loopholes?. Also, humans are social beings... relationships and alliances will be forged
@@drep9028 I agree, I was just saying Simon Jordan was wrong.
@@fishyattacksAVFC Simon Jordan I suspect tries to attract views and hype by saying controversial things. It's a money making thing. Robbie Lyle spoke about it when he was getting into non conventional media. Media stations want to protect their turf and compete with the fan channels who ironically... typically strum of views via controversy
What is the difference between Aston Villa valuing an inexperienced academy trained Carney Chukwuemeka for £20M and Omari for £19M? How many first team games did Carney play at Villa? Did Chelsea intentionally help Villa 2 years ago or did they see value in a young Villa academy player?💙
@@chelseagodfather The difference is £1 million 😜
Make stupid rules and everyone will find ways around them.
Yeah tell that to Everton and Forest
@@Yewchewb they broke the rules and admitted to it. Use your 2 brain cells.
@@_Forza right, so this idea that teams always find a way around rules is garbage. City and Chelsea are probably the only 2 examples of getting around rules
@Yewchewb it's no different from everyday life. People just simply find a way and get on with it. Some people don't and just cry about it. You decide what group you going to be in.
@@roryanaughe5217 don’t think anyone in this comment section is crying, just pointing out that not many clubs are finding ways around the rules, in fact the rules have been more enforced now than ever before. And clubs are just having to get on with it
Premier league is going to bleed good players to other leagues because of the FFP rules
At least the English will finally move around like other nations
Why would Chelsea want to help villa? Villa have overtaken Chelsea as a club in the last couple seasons. Maatsen only strengthens villa, Kellyman won’t impact Chelsea.
These are purely just individual signings
Kellyman is one of the best young players in the country. Do some research Crook
Dude is spreading misinformation about Aston Villa. He hates that we're keeping his club out of the top 6. 🤣
Simon Jordan really needs a holiday he’s starting to chat pure rubbish my advice is to go to ibiza and refresh come back next season and start from there😂😂
Calvert Lewin is big but he certainly isn't robust.
He's made of glass 😂😂
Injury prone for sure, but when fit he is a handful for defenders. Just ask the Liverpool back 4 in the last derby game.
No rules are being broken so I really don’t see what the problem is in all honesty.
A players price is based on how much his club values him and how much the buying club is prepared to pay.
look up the rules my guy. they are buying players outside of their means. they arent allowing these clubs to continue to run on massive debts like almost all of them in the premier league outside of brighton do. any other business if you dont keep on top of your debts yet instead continue to add to them then that business collapses. football should be no different just because of fan sentimentality toward their home club.
Rules are being broken. They’re not fair market value
@@xNSHDvilla and Fulham are the only premier league clubs with no debt so not sure what u mean when you say living beyond there means
@@xNSHDAbsolute rubbish...
@@xNSHD These rules will reduce the Premiership Value. Just what the Saudi's want.
It's business and nothing more. Continuous suggestions of everything being a loophole or unfair, will end up with the league being "over regulated" to the point it's no longer a profitable business or valuable one.
How can it be profitable if everyone spends more than they have coming in?
Secondly if we can do it so can every other club so there is nothing to be moaning about. No rules are being broken here at all.
If he was Brazilian they won't be crying. And, a player of Maatsen qualities is actually worth at least 50 million in today's market. That price was a bargain. These complaints are mostly coming from two insufferable clubs that always act righteous. That's Liverpool and Arsenal 🤡 🤡
Can't wait for the points docking and transfer ban 😂😂😂
@@user-yn1ww9cs1j We haven’t done anything wrong so that won’t be happening.
@@AstonVillaBozzy funny how the guilty always say that😉
@@user-yn1ww9cs1j go away you sausage no one cares about your stupid little comments
Clubs in Spain and Italy have been doing these swap deals for years, not to say they haven't pushed it a bit at times *cough* Artur Melo
There's no way they seriously believe we're overpaying for maatsen, this guy has no idea what he's talking about
Alex Crook ate all the pies
I'm afraid Jordan must answer one simple question: how does `150 minutes of senior football at Aston Villa turn a £600,000 purchase in 2022 into a £19m sale in 2024? Inflation won't do. Claims of fantastic training won't do. A £19m player is apparently more valuable than Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg, with years of EPL experience, quite a bit of Champions League experience too. I'd like Jordan to say what he'd do to an accountant that brazenly values a player at £19m for the 2024 accounts, when it's clear to all and sundry that that accountant is lying. You might as well say that Jim White is worth £50m to Talksport, which would be laughed out of court in five minutes. It's called signing off fraudulent accounts, Mr Jordan, and don't you ever forget it. And I think you know full well what happens to accountants that sign off fraudulent accounts - their careers are forever tainted for being associated with the auditing of Enron and the like....
Umm ok loads of teams have bought players for small fees and sold them for massive fees in a couple of years it’s not that unusual. Teams pay over the odds for players all the time a player is worth whatever a team is willing to pay. Grealish wasn’t worth 100 million yet City paid it Chelsea spending 20 million on a youth player with loads of potential fits in line with their previous spending before PSR was even an issue for them. Maatsen I actually think Villa got quite cheap tbh and most of the other signings involving Everton are pretty average fees nowadays really.
Simon defending Boehly again? The sky must be blue
Fella has Jordan in his pocket.
Rules are there to be broken
Or find away around them
Totally mate
It's not Nigeria mate. Rules are there for the integrity/sustainability of the league & to stop rogue owners from ruining clubs.
@@matthewjamison could you put that to Manchester city, it all sounds lovely
@marineboy1964 Hopefully the league will soon 🤞
@@matthewjamison we will see , but money talks and city have lots of that
This is why Spurs don't win stuff. We've played by the rules for years and just as we're poised to benefit, our transfer targets are now downgraded as Chelsea climb out the sewer once again
Anyone told Talksport that Sky were forced to withdraw the story they put out about Newcastle being in potential trouble with PSR? So regurgitating that probably isn’t sensible
All of this stemming from a really pathetically poor understanding by Sky of Newcastle’s accounts ending in June 2023 and they instead decided to get carried away with things, ignoring the fact that Newcastle’s £70m loss included £40m worth of allowable losses and that Newcastle have made some of the biggest commercial deals in the club’s history over the past 12 months ending this month
Simon is the only one talking sense.
Meanwhile Man City do what they want .UTV
Walcott had played 20+ times and scored 4 times at the age of 16 but whatevs...
Alex Crook always shallow in his analyses. Go to any pub and you’ll hear what Alex Crook is likely to report the next day!
Bravo!
Where was Alex Crook to call the “obviously inflated” when Villa sold Chukwuemeka for about 20mio few seasons ago?
Where was he when liverpool sold Rhian Brewster for 23.5mill to SU
Hate agreeing with Simon but hes on the money regarding PSR deals
Financial fair play is keeping clubs and the game of soccer backwards 😢
Sir Jordanite = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
Simon always says football is a business and underhanded things happen in the business world.
It’s a business until they need help & then it’s an institution & culturally important.
That barca dude will probably get a lifetime long contract 😂
The haters.. can't grasp the fact we found a legal way around there rules ... All I can say is UPTHEVILLA 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The world is changing new ideas
It’s business, nothing more. No rules broken, just a loop hole being exploited by not just villa and Chelsea but by four or five teams
Not really a loophole when you're following exactly the rules that are explicitly stated in the rulebook
19 milliom is what they paid for Carney. 🤷🏼♂️✌🏼
Oh Crooky is flat out on Fabrizio Romano's twitter even when he's out in Germany..
Who's the biggest spoofer?
And answer honestly..
Southgate or Crooky?.
C'mon ...
PRS? You mean PSR?
Kellyman is a top young talent. £19 mill is barely enough, to lose one of your best prospects. Outside of Villa fans, most won't know him. Just because you don't know much about him means nothing. It just says how little you actually know
How many games is your opinion based on?
@@dalebull3290 I've seen every Villa appearance. Also watched him for the under 21s multiple times. So enough
Talent yes but he isn't worth that money - the two clubs are playing around the rules, it's clear to see
@@vjaska "the two clubs are playing around the rules" Which rules??
Well said.
This is very obviously a scheme to balance the books. To suggest that’s not what Villa & Chelsea are doing is pure ignorance
Simon Jordan must be thick 😂
Well, considering we don't need to balance the books, imma go out on a whimm here and say you're chatting shite.
@@CJ4YRD we did
@@CJ4YRDWell, you do.
@@QuentinMajor no we don't.
Alex crook doesn’t know anything about footballers that aren’t in the top 6. Shock horror
The rules are not fit for purpose they’ve proved that so why should they be followed fk the PL and the plebs crying about it
Oh, come on. Villz paid about £15m more tyan his value and Chelsea paid £15m more too.
Well that's wrong.. Maatsen market value is €40m or £33.8m not sure where you got paid 15m over from 😂
@@CJ4YRD Maatsen worth £33.8m?
In what world?
@albertbrammer9263 the real and normal world.
TransferMarkt says €40m
Fotmob says €41m
Football Transfers says €40.2m
That's 3 different websites giving you the same number. Accept it.
@@albertbrammer9263 in the real and normal world. There's 3 websites that give you the same number.
TransferMarkt, FotMob & FootballTransfers. €40m, €41m & €40.2m. On what planet do you think he's only worth 15m?
The man was ranks #1 left back in Europe last season. Go see the champions league team of the season.
More promise than Chukwuemeka, remember when no one cared about that btw??
I'd sell Bruno but only to a non Prem club.
I wouldn’t I’d spend take a tiny deduction for breaking psr and still be comfortable in the table
Jim with his conspiracy theories hat on looking for shenanigans that don't exist
Just a loophole that's been exposed by clever clubs
@@fishyattacksAVFCHardly a loophole really when you're just following the rules to the letter. There's no legs for them to stand on if they tried to bring it to the courts although knowing this country it would probably side with them lol
@@dennisgoatimer1079 maybe using the word loophole was wrong. Maybe exploiting the rules would have been better.
Walcott was a known talent and wanted by more clubs than just Arsenal - also Arsenal didn't sell any players to Southampton in return at the same time
Oh so it’s the “same time” that is a problem. So it would be better to tell clubs if you sell to another club you cannot buy from that club for how long 1 month? 1 fiscal year? 1 window?
Would make a lot of sense.
And then you’d have club A sell to B who sells to C who sells to A.
Maybe the best would be to stop trying to micromanage what clubs can do and when. And phase out a set of rules that are not fit for purpose.
Kellyman is also a known talent, although not by you, therefore you have no idea about his value. You must be an Arsenal fan I imagine.
@@iaincolquhoun-bg2nk where did I say Kellyman isn't a known talent? My point was purely the comparison between the Kellyman deal and Walcott deal doesn't work because not only wasn't it a swap but multiple clubs wanted Walcott. I've seen Kellyman play myself.
@vjaska how do you know other clubs weren't interested ?
@@iaincolquhoun-bg2nk bring the evidence then?
Why do u have headaches about Chelsea dude
Hardly recognised Alex there
Mason Greenwood should stay at United.
It's a done deal now. 😂
Simon Jordan is the definition of a pessimist. Get someone better on
Really couldn’t stand Alex Crook a year ago, one of my favourite journalists and people on talkSPORT now
That's not Crook, that's the guy who ate Alex Crook
His job is to regurgitate whatever is in the tabloids that morning and moan about whatever if affecting his beloved Man Utd that week.
Terrible journalist
@@YouAimYourArrowsHigh Still much better than Danny Shmurphy or Danny Shills, the scouse bin dipping icons.
@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693ver clever putting an sh in front of their names. Highly intellectual stuff but you do know Danny Mills isn’t a Liverpool fan and played for Manchester City, right?
Alex Crook is the epitome of that song by the Beatles… nowhere man …
They said Chelsea overpaid for Palmer. Chelsea can sell him for twice the amount they paid. Fact is some deals are going to be inflated. You cannot quantify the value of a player correctly all the time. Players do have intrinsic values which are calculated differently
Jordan sticking up for his Chelsea bumchums as usual
It’s blatant over inflation of players prices by Aston Villa and Chelsea they could have tried to be a bit more discreet. Rediculous anyone seeing it differently, It’s not a conspiracy, it’s blatant cheating LOL 😂
Why is it cheating?? In transfers, the selling club set a price they want for a player, and if the buying club is willing to pay that price then what's the problem? That's how transfers have always worked. 😂😂
And it's Ridiculous, not Rediculous 😂😂
Hardly Kellyman is the real deal he's got bags of potential remember Chelsea could've always said no to it but just like the Carney deal they accepted it.
Todays conspiracy theories are tomorrows facts..
Crooks neck been sold to skysports 😂
It’s not a conspiracy at all it’s as clear as day. Simon is such a wally he’s just siding with owners again. Get him off talkSPORT
It's just transfers between two clubs that's all no rules are being broken they're just being followed
@@dennisgoatimer1079 there are rules being broke. The PL is to test all transactions covering player sales, commercial deals, etc, to make sure they’re deemed as ‘fair market value’. If there were no rules this wouldn’t be a discussion..
@@bg7393 No rules are being broken we're just selling them at our value we can't do anything if the other team accepts it now can we? We're just following the rules as they set them out and now just like HMRC they don't like it when you beat them at their own game so they're throwing a hissy fit.
@@dennisgoatimer1079 you can’t be that naive. It’s not a case of “we can’t do anything if the other team accepts it now can we”, that’s the whole point 🤡 clubs are getting together inflating these prices to shift money around to cover PSR regulations. It’s very straight forward for those with more than a couple of brain cells
Mason Greenwood’s behaviour? What did I miss? What did he do????
Chelsea will face the music in the future
for following the rules?
They probably will but not on this as they're just following the rules
This is blatant cheating and these 3 scumbag clubs will be investigated and punished
No we won't. Cry more.
@@CJ4YRD you're going down
@falconarrow 🤣 no we won't. Gimme more tears
@@CJ4YRD it's so unfair
@@CJ4YRD it's so unfair
Jay slater gets all media attention daily with no mention of swords /split skull episode who gets community service but greenwood would be hounded on his return ,while fury was just having a good time and it's the person who took the video at fault ...
😂😂😂😂 Simon the div
Yea the self made multi millionaire, think i know who the div is.
@@norwoodboy6048 oh yeah mate I forgot IQ is measured on bank balance.
@@Pwnziillaaaa Well it kinda of is if he made it by his own work.
Hey look, yet more SLAMMING!!
If I was united I’d keep him at play him 6:16
United? He plays for Barca 😂
@@Yewchewb talking about greenwood pol
@@tinayemubaiwa3738 never gonna happen, won’t be United quality anymore, don’t need a rapist
I wonder how Simon would react if United were doing the same thing??? I bet his view would be totally different then. Clubs like Chelsea, Villa, Newcastle & Everton are clearly helping each other to avoid breaking FFP by buying each other's prospects for inflated fees. Whoever can't see this are plain ignorant. This needs investigating
Investigating? So when liverpool sell Jordan ibe for £17m, a few years ago, that's not worth Investigating? Give over, soft lad
Nothing to investigate. How much debt does United have compared to debtless Newcastle or Villa? United only wants to exploit Braithwaite from Everton on the cheap. Financially sound clubs being forced to sell their academy players for 'bookkeeping' reasons is the biggest nonsense in football.
Shut up you drip.!
What has Newcastle done? All the activity has been between the other 3 clubs.
Villa done nothing wrong clubs just jealous ,villa sold dougie for60mil now and kellyman 20m ,tim imbrughen 10mil ,psr problems over UTV watch us spend now in july
Simon has proven to be a brown envelope for the Clowns at Chelsea 🤡 🔵