So, I did a thing... Thanks to your videos, I've been making BP for about a year now, and I just loaded some brass hulls for my Mossberg 500 with a rifled barrel (I don't have anything traditional at the moment). Anyway, I bought the Magtech 12 gauge hulls, filled them with 120 grains of my BP, nitro card, cushion wad, then a 586 grain, .735 cast ball from Lyman's mold, and then an overshot card punched from a cereal box glued down with Elmer's glue. I had to smash down the cushion wad to make everything fit, but when I did, it's like the case was made for this load. It functions beautifully in the Mossberg, but I've only shot into the woods with it yet, so no accuracy report. Man, you have got to try this; it is one hell of a ride!
I have a Iver Johnson black powder 12 gauge. It was handed down through the family, the original owner was my great uncle that died in 1905. I remember Dad hunting with it using smokeless shells and how they would sometimes get stuck in the chamber or the brass would crack. Dad never knew it was a black powder gun. Years later with the help of the internet I found that the old shotgun was the last black powder model that Iver Johnson made. I hunted with it in the early 70s till I had the money to get something better.
Anywhere from 7/8 ounces of shot to 1-1/4 oz of shot and 2-3/4 drams to 3-3/4 drams of FFG were used by the old timers in 12 gauge guns. 1-1/4 oz of shot over 3-1/4 drams of black powder was the standard live pigeon load for twelve gauge. The standard target load was 3 drams of FFG under 1-1/8 oz shot, which is an equal measure load.
Hey Big Thanks! Between this video and the smokeless one, a light bulb went on and I started to tinker with a light load for my tired, old single shot 12 that I grew up with. Making some 2” modern shotshells with BP and having fun with the ol’ girl!
@@Everythingblackpowder Cool. I was thinking back to my Pedersoli double percussion and I never used lubed cushion it that either but I think I swabbed every now and then and pretty sure I used nothing but Swiss too. Heading out tomorrow to the pattern board.
Like your show great content.we load ours with 100 grains of black powder and 100 grains of shot it totally works well .thank you your knowledge is appreciated thank you.
I have a box of those Magtech thin brass hulls, and they use oversized internal components, they also use the pistol primers, but here @ 3:50 he had one that clearly had a 209 shotgun primer in it! There is a company that makes a thicker billet brass hull that uses the 209 shotgun primers and the 12 gauge internals as well.
Great show thanks I load what they call a square load for 12ga16ga.50 50 meaning same amount of powder as shot same grains .having some trouble finding rite group power chart for hodgdon power for 158 grain cast 537 .my home made powder works really well in shot gun very happy with the results.great show hope you help with some more information thanks again .good show love it.
I'm able to keep stocked up on shot cups by picking up the used ones at a couple local areas where people go to shoot stuff. Some cheaper brands must use plain shot cups without the shock wad ? because I find them that way.
Would like to know how you handled the conversion to 209 primers. Starting to try out some loads for my 20 ga. Magtech hulls. That is a great way to tell yours smokeless and BP loads apart as well as simplifying primer use . I didnt' think that there was enough meat around the primer pocket to ream them out. Loved the info, thanks-Tom
I gotta try a plastic shot cup in my 10 gauge side-by-side. Groups are OK out out of the left barrel, but the right barrel is horrible. I planned on using a plastic shot cup and just haven’t gotten around to it yet. Been loading 100 grains of FG with a half inch cardboard wad. Then I just put an ounce and 5/8 of shot and an os card. Was good enough to get me a double bearded turkey the first try but I missed two birds after that and knew my patterns blew out or I pulled the trigger on the wrong barrel. My plan was to load with a plastic shot cup next time around.
I use 70 grains BP for trap, and 100 grains for full bore Russian slugs. I've went up to 155 grains, but it's hard on the shoulder. Q: will that crimp hold full bore slugs in place in the Master brass? Thx!
What would you recommend for resources on loading blackpowder shells? You have an infinite amount of experience more than i do and I love the channel but am always hungry for resources to keep on hand. LOVE THE VIDEOS!
@@WannabeWoodsman that’s the beauty of black powder loads. The only rule is to make sure your powder is compressed and even that is more like a guideline. You don’t have to worry about following load data like you would with smokeless powders. It’s basically whatever you and your shotgun likes best.
Question. I load federal paper hulls with 82gr. All the time and love them. My question is what would be a good starting powder charge for a 20ga with say a ¾oz shot load in a plastic hull? I know there are alot a variables with different hulls,wads,wad stackups and all that which i will worry about later. The main goal is to build a decent light recoiling load for my 8 year old daughter that will be squirrel hunting with me this year. I know i can easily load up some light smokless loads but with the powders i have i find them to be inconstant or terrible shot patterens. That and shes becoming a black powder fan as well so theres that lol. Thanks
Jake, I just found this video, and I finally found parts to fix my old side by side (which is hard if you have an odd gun). Do you load slugs? / And where did you find shotgun dies for a regular press? I have been looking for those for years.
I'm curious if you have ever used bullet lube wax as a sealant, and if so, have you noticed any performance or residual lubrification benefits to this.
Well it’s been a few years since I did any and I don’t remember exactly what size drill bits I use but basically I drill out the existing hole to take a 209 primer and then I used a big drill bit to chamfer the edge so the primer sits flush.
The over the powder card(nitro) was a 12ga size. Did you also use a 12ga sized cushion wad? Very cool and really appreciate you doing this video! Just starting to do research on black powder shells. Thank You and keep the videos coming!
My first shotshell reloads were black powder and followed the not great advice of equal volumes of powder to shot. Since read there were actual recipes for safety, and velocity. I did 100gn powder, TP wad and 100 powder grain volume of shot and another to over shot wad with my CVA Wolf a few times. Them things scattered farther apart than the stars in the sky and the recoil was a might uncomfortable, but to be sure for some reason I did it multiple times and it never got more comfortable or less uncomfortable. Beware of logical sounding advice from RUclips. I was listening to someone claiming to be teaching survival skills. Talking bout that old musketloader is making me want to go shoot it though
I have a lot of Plastic Rem. and Win. hulls but no brass. also I have my Fathers old Pump from the end of the 19th Century which has a 2 1/2" Chamber so I'm looking for safe loads. I have to cut the Hulls down and Roll Crimp for 2 1/2". Any thoughts ?
If you’re not sure, then it’s always safer to go with a black powder load. I would start with 60gr of 2F and 1oz of payload. That’s a very mild load and shouldn’t have more than 6000psi of pressure. I have an 1887 10ga shotgun that I have to cut the 3.5 plastic hulls down to 2 7/8 so they will chamber, so I know how that routine goes. That method works just fine. If you can get ahold of the 12ga Magtech brass hulls, they are 2.5 and they will work without any modifications to your shotgun.
I don't understand why you crimped the brass. I've been reloading 12 and 10 ga brass and just use water glass to seal the overshot card, and it's been very successful for me.
It’s completely unnecessary in a single or double Barrel but I often use these rounds in my 1897 Winchester and my Remington model 11 and crimp allows them the feed with out jamming
@@Everythingblackpowder So an over-powder 1/8" nitro card will keep the plastic shot cup from boogering up the bore? I've heard otherwise, but I'm open to learning. Got a Henry 12ga single shotgun and Magtech brass hulls. Want to load 7.5, #4 buck, 00 buck, slugs and/or balls. There's very little precise loading data for all of this on the web, like looking for a needle in a haystack. I don't like the idea of naked lead shot/slugs running in the bbl. For slugs, wondering if the Lee 1oz "key" slug would work well in a shot cup, or if a .690 ball wrapped in a lubed cloth patch (ala flintlock smoothbore) would work, too.
@@rfdsrd Doing the same with 3 old girls in 12 and 10. Just back from the range with the smallest, an old H&R in 12. I’m only trying to get a lite load for her so loaded all types and sizes of 60-70 2F with 1oz-1 1/8. Did not like plastic wad even sitting over fiberwad. Yuk. Left alot of stubborn melted plastic. Settled on a mini Fiocchi cut to 2” with 60/1oz with lubed 1/2” fiberwad. os12 and hotglue. Feels easy enough on short little H&R and tight pattern at 20yards.
Sorry to answer your question with a question but it depends on several things. What gauge are you loading? Is it a Muzzleloader or cartridge gun? What payload weight?
@@HalconPeregrinoAzul any need? Coyotes kill and eat our chickens and calves that we raise. You should be ashamed of being intolerant of other peoples cultures.
What about using wax to close it ? ... Molten wax, to make it ermetic and hydrorepellent, I can't imagine the smell cause I live in a commie country and it's impossible to own a gun If you are not rich 😢
You keep giving me new things to try! Had me at Winchester 1897. Love the channel. God bless.
Thank you
@@Everythingblackpowder 4:26 You should be ashamed to kill an animal without any need.
So, I did a thing... Thanks to your videos, I've been making BP for about a year now, and I just loaded some brass hulls for my Mossberg 500 with a rifled barrel (I don't have anything traditional at the moment). Anyway, I bought the Magtech 12 gauge hulls, filled them with 120 grains of my BP, nitro card, cushion wad, then a 586 grain, .735 cast ball from Lyman's mold, and then an overshot card punched from a cereal box glued down with Elmer's glue. I had to smash down the cushion wad to make everything fit, but when I did, it's like the case was made for this load. It functions beautifully in the Mossberg, but I've only shot into the woods with it yet, so no accuracy report. Man, you have got to try this; it is one hell of a ride!
Glad to hear it
I have a Iver Johnson black powder 12 gauge. It was handed down through the family, the original owner was my great uncle that died in 1905. I remember Dad hunting with it using smokeless shells and how they would sometimes get stuck in the chamber or the brass would crack. Dad never knew it was a black powder gun. Years later with the help of the internet I found that the old shotgun was the last black powder model that Iver Johnson made. I hunted with it in the early 70s till I had the money to get something better.
What did they use originally to glue the cards in
Anywhere from 7/8 ounces of shot to 1-1/4 oz of shot and 2-3/4 drams to 3-3/4 drams of FFG were used by the old timers in 12 gauge guns. 1-1/4 oz of shot over 3-1/4 drams of black powder was the standard live pigeon load for twelve gauge. The standard target load was 3 drams of FFG under 1-1/8 oz shot, which is an equal measure load.
Hey Big Thanks! Between this video and the smokeless one, a light bulb went on and I started to tinker with a light load for my tired, old single shot 12 that I grew up with. Making some 2” modern shotshells with BP and having fun with the ol’ girl!
Glad to hear it
Question for ya. I usually use fiberwads soaked in 50/50 mix for my brass hull loads. What will the fouling and shooting be like without a lubed wad?
@@johnnottahcal5725 it will be harder but I’ve never noticed any difference in performance between lubed and un lubed wads in a shotgun.
@@Everythingblackpowder Cool. I was thinking back to my Pedersoli double percussion and I never used lubed cushion it that either but I think I swabbed every now and then and pretty sure I used nothing but Swiss too. Heading out tomorrow to the pattern board.
Like your show great content.we load ours with 100 grains of black powder and 100 grains of shot it totally works well .thank you your knowledge is appreciated thank you.
I have a box of those Magtech thin brass hulls, and they use oversized internal components, they also use the pistol primers, but here @ 3:50 he had one that clearly had a 209 shotgun primer in it!
There is a company that makes a thicker billet brass hull that uses the 209 shotgun primers and the 12 gauge internals as well.
I converted some to 209 primers. I use smokeless powder in them.
Many SASS shooters convert the Magtec brass to retrofit 209’s.
Downside is that company charges about 4 times the price of the Magtechs. And a little effort to convert them to 209 is well worth it.
Great show thanks I load what they call a square load for 12ga16ga.50 50 meaning same amount of powder as shot same grains .having some trouble finding rite group power chart for hodgdon power for 158 grain cast 537 .my home made powder works really well in shot gun very happy with the results.great show hope you help with some more information thanks again .good show love it.
Thank you. Glad to hear it
I tried brass hulls in my old 10 gauge. The exact same load in a cut off plastic hull roll crimped for some reason shoots way better groups.
Very cool. Loving your videos mate.
Thank you
I'm able to keep stocked up on shot cups by picking up the used ones at a couple local areas where people go to shoot stuff. Some cheaper brands must use plain shot cups without the shock wad ? because I find them that way.
are you from n.s if you are you'll know that abbreviation I may have went to school with you
Would like to know how you handled the conversion to 209 primers. Starting to try out some loads for my 20 ga. Magtech hulls. That is a great way to tell yours smokeless and BP loads apart as well as simplifying primer use . I didnt' think that there was enough meat around the primer pocket to ream them out. Loved the info, thanks-Tom
I gotta try a plastic shot cup in my 10 gauge side-by-side. Groups are OK out out of the left barrel, but the right barrel is horrible. I planned on using a plastic shot cup and just haven’t gotten around to it yet. Been loading 100 grains of FG with a half inch cardboard wad. Then I just put an ounce and 5/8 of shot and an os card. Was good enough to get me a double bearded turkey the first try but I missed two birds after that and knew my patterns blew out or I pulled the trigger on the wrong barrel. My plan was to load with a plastic shot cup next time around.
I use 70 grains BP for trap, and 100 grains for full bore Russian slugs. I've went up to 155 grains, but it's hard on the shoulder. Q: will that crimp hold full bore slugs in place in the Master brass? Thx!
Hunters in Siberia used wax,instead of glue
You can also use tallow. Don't use lard as it's too thin.
What would you recommend for resources on loading blackpowder shells? You have an infinite amount of experience more than i do and I love the channel but am always hungry for resources to keep on hand. LOVE THE VIDEOS!
Ballistic products and track of the wolf
I should clarify and state that I mean load data.
@@WannabeWoodsman that’s the beauty of black powder loads. The only rule is to make sure your powder is compressed and even that is more like a guideline. You don’t have to worry about following load data like you would with smokeless powders. It’s basically whatever you and your shotgun likes best.
hey, any chance you could try loading some brass hull BP slugs? Would love to see the process
Nice video.
Question. I load federal paper hulls with 82gr. All the time and love them. My question is what would be a good starting powder charge for a 20ga with say a ¾oz shot load in a plastic hull? I know there are alot a variables with different hulls,wads,wad stackups and all that which i will worry about later. The main goal is to build a decent light recoiling load for my 8 year old daughter that will be squirrel hunting with me this year. I know i can easily load up some light smokless loads but with the powders i have i find them to be inconstant or terrible shot patterens. That and shes becoming a black powder fan as well so theres that lol. Thanks
Dig the fireball man!
Jake, I just found this video, and I finally found parts to fix my old side by side (which is hard if you have an odd gun). Do you load slugs? / And where did you find shotgun dies for a regular press? I have been looking for those for years.
I have a set of RCBS 12 gauge dies for brass shells. But I don’t really use them
I'm curious if you have ever used bullet lube wax as a sealant, and if so, have you noticed any performance or residual lubrification benefits to this.
EBP, could you show or at least explain (in detail) how you modify the shells to take 209 primers? Thanks
Well it’s been a few years since I did any and I don’t remember exactly what size drill bits I use but basically I drill out the existing hole to take a 209 primer and then I used a big drill bit to chamfer the edge so the primer sits flush.
Plastic cup sucks with bp... bore-snakes... but it works.
do you need those nitro cards what do they do
super cool!
Cool
I may have missed it but have you ever loaded black powder slugs rounds in the brass cartridges?
The over the powder card(nitro) was a 12ga size. Did you also use a 12ga sized cushion wad? Very cool and really appreciate you doing this video! Just starting to do research on black powder shells. Thank You and keep the videos coming!
Yes, 12ga nitro and cushion wad but the overshot card is a 10ga
My first shotshell reloads were black powder and followed the not great advice of equal volumes of powder to shot. Since read there were actual recipes for safety, and velocity. I did 100gn powder, TP wad and 100 powder grain volume of shot and another to over shot wad with my CVA Wolf a few times. Them things scattered farther apart than the stars in the sky and the recoil was a might uncomfortable, but to be sure for some reason I did it multiple times and it never got more comfortable or less uncomfortable. Beware of logical sounding advice from RUclips. I was listening to someone claiming to be teaching survival skills. Talking bout that old musketloader is making me want to go shoot it though
now if only anywhere had any brass shotshells available! same reason i havent shot my caplock in forever, havent seen a #11 cap in a couple years.
They say no more than 1 oz shot for my 1920 Ithica Damascus 12 Ga? 1000 ft per sec? sound right???
I have a lot of Plastic Rem. and Win. hulls but no brass. also I have my Fathers old Pump from the end of the 19th Century which has a 2 1/2" Chamber so I'm looking for safe loads. I have to cut the Hulls down and Roll Crimp for 2 1/2". Any thoughts ?
If you’re not sure, then it’s always safer to go with a black powder load. I would start with 60gr of 2F and 1oz of payload. That’s a very mild load and shouldn’t have more than 6000psi of pressure.
I have an 1887 10ga shotgun that I have to cut the 3.5 plastic hulls down to 2 7/8 so they will chamber, so I know how that routine goes. That method works just fine. If you can get ahold of the 12ga Magtech brass hulls, they are 2.5 and they will work without any modifications to your shotgun.
I'm going to have to try the shot cup once in my 20 ga muzzleloader.... Just wondering. Any thoughts?
I don't understand why you crimped the brass. I've been reloading 12 and 10 ga brass and just use water glass to seal the overshot card, and it's been very successful for me.
It’s completely unnecessary in a single or double Barrel but I often use these rounds in my 1897 Winchester and my Remington model 11 and crimp allows them the feed with out jamming
Can we use a rubber wad from an eraser
You could use whatever works
@@Everythingblackpowder ok thanks
Where can I find an original pre eighteen ninety eight double barrel
bonjour bonne vidéo. pouvez vous me dire la composition de votre poudre noir pour calibre 12 merci
Id loke to see some.original examples put of the box
Should a guy use some kind of lubricated wad with bp shotshells?
You can if you want
Have you tried waxing the shot???
I'd heard that using plastic shot cups in black powder loads coats the bbl with plastic residue .... ?
If you put the plastic wad right on top of the powder, yes it can do that
@@Everythingblackpowder So an over-powder 1/8" nitro card will keep the plastic shot cup from boogering up the bore? I've heard otherwise, but I'm open to learning. Got a Henry 12ga single shotgun and Magtech brass hulls. Want to load 7.5, #4 buck, 00 buck, slugs and/or balls. There's very little precise loading data for all of this on the web, like looking for a needle in a haystack. I don't like the idea of naked lead shot/slugs running in the bbl. For slugs, wondering if the Lee 1oz "key" slug would work well in a shot cup, or if a .690 ball wrapped in a lubed cloth patch (ala flintlock smoothbore) would work, too.
@@rfdsrd try it, That’s what I did.
@@Everythingblackpowder Got it. On the case. Have the wads (Circle Fly and Win) ordered. Will also try a lubed patch ball, maybe a Lee .690.
@@rfdsrd Doing the same with 3 old girls in 12 and 10. Just back from the range with the smallest, an old H&R in 12. I’m only trying to get a lite load for her so loaded all types and sizes of 60-70 2F with 1oz-1 1/8. Did not like plastic wad even sitting over fiberwad. Yuk. Left alot of stubborn melted plastic. Settled on a mini Fiocchi cut to 2” with 60/1oz with lubed 1/2” fiberwad. os12 and hotglue. Feels easy enough on short little H&R and tight pattern at 20yards.
What crimp die is that
Roll crimp tool from ballistic products
@@Everythingblackpowder thank you
What die do you use for crimping the brass shells?
The RCBS cowboy die set
Long time fan with a question. I make my own black powder which comes out to about a 2-3F granule. How many grains should I use for 00 Buckshot?
Sorry to answer your question with a question but it depends on several things. What gauge are you loading?
Is it a Muzzleloader or cartridge gun?
What payload weight?
@@Everythingblackpowder Im new to this so Ill try my best here. Modern shells, BP, 00 Buckshot 9 pellet into a modern pump shotgun 12 gauge
I would go with 60gr of 3F or 80gr of 2F if you can fit it all in there.
@@Everythingblackpowder what kind of speed should I expect on my chronograph? Thank you by the way.
@@JoshMo1993 1000-1200 depending
Would this be safe in a Damascus barrel shotgun
I wouldn’t be afraid to shoot it
Ok thank you I will load some of these and test them
Now where do you get the primers for the black powder loads
I use standard primers
Ok thank you you have been a lot of help
Please do a video on 9mm black powder reloading and put it through a gun
I’ve tried it. I can’t get it to work with 9mm, it just doesn’t hold enough powder
What gun are you using?
It’s an old Bayard arms double barrel 12 gauge
Any 16 gauge fans?
Merely curious but why not convert all brass shells to 209?
4:26 You should be ashamed to kill an animal without any need.
@@HalconPeregrinoAzul any need? Coyotes kill and eat our chickens and calves that we raise. You should be ashamed of being intolerant of other peoples cultures.
@@Everythingblackpowder It was very good that you explained it🙏🙏🙏
What about using wax to close it ? ...
Molten wax, to make it ermetic and hydrorepellent, I can't imagine the smell cause I live in a commie country and it's impossible to own a gun If you are not rich 😢