Peabody Rifle chamber sleeve job: Anvil 112
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2022
- This Peabody was chambered in an obscure cartridge. Here we modify to .45/70 so it can be actually shot. NOT a tutorial...we show what you need to learn, not how to do . Cannot perform at this level? Do NOT attempt. Support us: / anvil
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Mark, you are a national treasure and I enjoy learning everything you offer to teach. Thank you for taking the time to make videos to pass on your knowledge rather than hoard it like some people tend to do.
Mark, I defer to your knowledge, skills and ability in discussions with my friends. I once ran a machine tool business. So your question on production.
The Martini-Henry rifle is a modification of the Peabody. And that lockup of the loading tray/bolt to the frame is epic. The British cut that frame with a device called a “side brooch”. It plowed out a rounded grove up in the frame. A rough cut in essence. A rounded cutter, think file, was then suspended on a shaft and partially rotated to further finish the cut. It was finally finished to dimension by lapping in the bolt with abrasive paste. This is why you can’t just swap bolts among old martini rifles.
The tolerance on that bolt and the abutment is typically 0.001 inch or less longitudinally when in battery. And yet “parts” bolts for those guns may vary by 3-5 thousandths of an inch bolt to bolt. Because rach was fit using this laborious process.
Now today we would use a 5-axis CNC with a ball end mill and simply cut that fillet and be done. They did not have that luxury. They improvised.
Enjoyed your video as always.
Fox out.
Would a "side broach" be similar to a shaper cutter?
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The “ thingy” I saw in a museum of industry in England was a mechanical brooch. Usually the bit is flat and cuts into the stock as it’s secured to the table. This one had an extension that stuck out the side with a button that would cut in a “blind” space. I eas informed that it had been used on the “muskets”, several martinis being on display I presumed that was the musket in question.
I am not a machinist by trade. I came into CNC equipment on the computer side. But in consulting on programming I frequently asked how’d you make this thang in the bad old days. They were usually glad to explain all the gigs and fixtures to me. Then I’d write them a cad/cam file and go home. Different strokes for different folks. We learn as we go. Then I went home, took my martini all apart cleaned off the grease and started looking at tool marks up in the nooks and crannies.
Fox out.
As per your question.. "How do they get that relief cove cut put in there?"..... Manually. Here is a video of the "ENDIE", not the "OUTTIE" or the "INNIE"... The the "OUTTIE" and the "INNIE" are two other processes, still manually dealt with, by means of manually assembling the cutting tool(s) once inside of or passed through an obstruction area... Although, this video I am placing a link to, may look primitive, in their processes, where as today manufacturing processes of full throttle automation has allowed for a more efficient mass production, there is still some processes, that no machining center can simply handle. At least not with out buying, or having built some high measure of specialty machining system that performs just that one odd/random step, that can be handled simply manually/by hand and cheaper tooling. I would recommend simply watching the video for the sake of how great our beloved western world has it.
But, if you pay note starting at the TIME STAMP of @6:00 for about 30 seconds... You will see, the dual "ENDIE" manual hand cutting tool in action, and the cutting surfaces dimensions are simply controlled by the nut at that other end, which also serves as the ease of removing the cutter to then remove the shank from the already reamed double shear holes, for the sewing machine's lift arm axle/bell crank axle. Enjoy.
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Nice video. Proof that high speed stuff can be built without lots of money.. Thanks
You know one day I'm going to show up at your shop around closing time with a few Ashton's and a 18 year old bottle of Single Malt Scotch. That way we can listen to war stories.
Bag O Gun. Something every gunsmith is familiar with. Also, some of the machining feats they accomplished with primitive machine tools prior to the advent of electricity are absolutely mind boggling.
I agree, a lot of scrapers, chisels and files used as well back then.
As always Thank you for showing us exactly I shouldn't be messing with altering antique firearms. I enjoy watching a master craftsman employing his skills.
I also had to rewatch the shooting scene a few times to see the cleaning rod dump out the front. Had me thinking "Ummmmm.......hey Mark!"
I too thought he left the rod in lol
LOL me too
Me too
Mark… you scared the crap out of me when you fired the gun without taking the cleaning rod out. I didn’t see it fall out when reloading the first time.
My thoughts as well
Yours is, literally, my favorite channel on RUclips. I get a little excited every time I get notified of a new video. The pleasure is all mine, sir.
Mark buddy your one of a special breed that may in fact be lost forever once our generation has passed and I can only hope those watching truly appreciate the knowledge and wisdom you so graciously take the time to share with us all. Thank you much. I always look forward to your video’s. Peace, health, prosperity and long life to you😊
ANSWER❤❤: the Watts Bros Tool Drill is used to machine square holes. When the lathe is running, you can see the head "bouncing" around in its guide. Based on a concept which uses an equilateral triangle with bisecting curves of constant width. Square holes can be so sexy. "Triangular Wheels" on the Curiosityshow channel provides a simple tutorial, explanation, and application! April '56 issue of Popular Science shows how to make one.
It's fantastic to watch a talented, experienced gunsmith at work! I could watch this for hours!
Lovely to watch an artist at work.
Glad to have had this Peabody in my hands. Thanks for the video, Mark!
What a fun conversion. As always Mark it is a pleasure to watch you work sir.
I watched this on my phone. I had to rewatch to see Mark dump the cleaning rod out
Yeah, at 14:55. I watched it on my PC, and I missed that cleaning rod falling out! I was talking to the screen when he was getting ready to crank off the 3rd round! I went back and re-watched it, and finally spotted the rod falling out... 🙂
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Came to post this and you were 6 months early 😂🔥
And just like that, I learned something.
Man, I love watching you do your thing. I especially like all the historical firearms you work with. Thanks for sharing. From the upstate
As always thanks for taking us along for the ride.
Mark, for you to let us in to your shop and share your knowledge, no, the pleasure has been and is all ours. And I thank you!!!
I suspect the radius was cut using a cam directed single point tool something like a shaper or planer. Today I might do such an operation with a die sinking EDM. But that is not suitable for high volume production.
I look at how many of the cuts are made on lever action firearms and wonder how it was done. Manufacturers in the past built a lot of dedicated machinery.
I Just LOVE how He Gets In After IT fearlessly!! Keeping these Smoke Poles SMOKING!!
Watching Mark reminds me of my friend who used to build hydroplanes. They may use simple tools but the skill behind those tools is what makes a gun run or an unlimited go 200mph in one piece. You would be a fool to question their method or madness..
All of your videos are a wealth of info. I’m sure they will be viewed for a long time.
To make that cut in the back of the receiver, I would modify a ball endmill so it would have a spherical section on the end and machine to near the outside. After the semicircle cut I would fixture the receiver in a rotary table and use a slotting head attachment on a milling machine to make square corners with another custom ground tool. This last operation would clean up the edges and square them to the ends of the semicircle cut area. I used to work for John Martz Luger maker from Lincoln, CA. On the barrel extensions there is a stud cut into the side of the extension and it has a radiused area that can only be accomplished by using a slotting head on a milling machine, a correctly made tool and as the slotting head is reciprocating the rotary table is turning the barrel extension cutting a radius inside a small area. There were three or four parts on the Luger pistol that had parts that had to be slotted while rotating on a rotary table. Nice work Mark!
One of the best channels out there.
Certianly the best ive found on the topic. But one of the best channels overall
These videos....I really can't wait to get moved so I can get my lathe set up and finish up all the project I put on hold seven years ago. Mr. Novak has a interesting day job for sure!
I love the history lessons I get from your channel. As always thanks for such a great video. Cheers 🍻
Great video Mark, thank you for the history on the gun. I have to admit I had to rewind and watch again after you used the cleaning /ram rod to clear the shell from the chamber as I didn't think the rod had been removed but then I saw it fall out the muzzle.
And as always, it’s been a pleasure watching your work.
Thank you for a very helpful and educational video. Among the very best that I have seen. My compliments!
14:12 Just trows away a perfectly good cigar
That kinda concerned me too, but I think he was just placing it on the ground for later. Like the ramrod.
No cigars were harmed in the production of this video........
Outstanding presentation and master craft gun smithing skills. I wish I could apprentice under someone like you. Thanks for an enlightening picture into re sleeving an old classic, not something to be undertaken by novices. Liked and subscribed sir. 🇺🇸⚓️💪👊
Mark you are a MASTER of your art sir!
Any day an Anvil is uploaded is a good day.
Excellent 16 min & 7 seconds. A 45/70 Martini Peabody, that is cool.
Mark it is a pleasure to learn from your videos!
Thank you, still love your craftsmanship and your Humor :-)
Spectacular job Brother thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise and hello from Detroit Michigan brother God-bless
Nice conversion mark. Great video as always,
LOL, I thought he fired the ram rod out until i rewatched segment and paid close attention. I slid out when he lowered muzzle towards ground
me too, i was about to be like ooooh no, but i give Mark insane credit for knowing his stuff
@@alex4alexn yea, he was probably thinking "Heh, Im gonna frak with their minds"
I liked the classical music in previous times. Great content regardless
Always a pleasure to watch a craftsman work.
Mark your my favorite gunsmith / personality on RUclips no one better Godspeed brother
Excellent video mark I had an old marlin whitney 40-60cal.carbin length saddle gun or so we were told I wanted to have it rechambered to 45-70. However all the folks I spoke with told me the rifle wasnt a carbine and should have been 11 to 12 inches longer and that there was no way to make the conversion. It was an 1880 model and year. The whole rifle was 29 3/4" long
Great video. Thank you Mark and your crew.
I have been a gun nut all my life . I love to watch video's on how they work.
I believe that unknown cut you're asking about was done with the same type tool used to trim down the ears on the bottom of a 1911 barrel where the slide stop holds back the barrel. Like starting an old crank style Model T Ford, you have the crank rod, and a slide on sideways reamer bit used to cut the radius as you turn the crank. The bit would have to move across the plane of the radius as it's cranked, cutting from one side to the other.
Oh wow. I admire your filing. Love how you chunked it out with the Dremel. Smoking a meerschaum lined briar quarter bent with about 50% virginia sweet burley and 50% northern lights gifted to me by my son. Old stoners rule
Your videos are the coolest amd most interesting on youtube. Coming from a carpenter/gun enthusiest
You are great at what you do!!!
I love it!!!!
Great work and a very fine weapon outstanding video sir five stars
Thanks for sharing some more wonderful knowledge
A perfect vid to see after work on a friday !
If I remember, that cut is off center from the hole, I was thinking it may have been a broach cutter, then chisel work, or scrapers. They did such unique cuts with hand tools back then also.
I'd expect some custom tool for the job. If it's concentric to the pivot holes, then I'd use those holes to line up the tools.
I would say a purpose built broach was used.
Outstanding as always! Thank you for sharing.
Thanks Mark .... always learn something from your channel ....
Bag master Mark, I thought you were going to shoot me with its cleaning rod. Glad to see another one back on the firing line.
aah nothing like GUNSMITH ASMR, loved every second of it
Is it weird that I enjoy watching a man hand file a part for five minutes? Did I just make this video awkward? I don't care. great video, please keep doing great work! Love you're channel.
Such a cool video thanks Mark.
heyoooo another bag job! good work mark
I've often thought about how they cut the breech block shoulders in the martinis, and with it sharing the axis of the hinge pin hole it would have had to have been cut through that hole. It's possible it was roughed out with a radius milling cutter through the top then set up in a fixture with holes matching the pin hole on a separate machine. Here you could insert an arbor and cutter (similar to a line boring operation) to finish the radius to size and square up the corners. I might give it a try for fun, maybe make up a mock receiver and some tooling. If it's a success I'll post a video.
That'd cool to see!
Please post here if/when you get that video made.
I was starting to wonder if we were ever gonna get meaty vids again?
I'd like some more please
You must be one of the luckiest guys around, you get to handle and test fire weapons most of us will never be lucky enough to see in person, personally I'd be honored to work as your apprentice but I doubt your schedule would allow you to train anyone.
I've watched several gunsmithing videos made by some real butchers. Your an Artist compared to the rest of them. No one compares to your expertise.
I do love to watch Mark work. I had at one time aspirations of becoming a gun smith. But due to the regulations and such with taking that on and the almost war against the Second Amendment I took another path. But I do very much enjoy watching Mark do his thing.
Wonder if a conversion to 45 long colt would work. Also maybe less material would have to be removed off that top block?
Regarding the cut my money would be on some kind of line boring setup, arbour passed thru both holes with cross tooling slowly extended to the correct dia.?
Great Job Mark 👍😉👏👏👏
Greetings from Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Simply outstanding!👏👏👏👍👍👍
Thanks Mark I enjoy your videos 🇺🇸
At about the 7.5 minute mark you said that the Dremel has a place in the shop, but never as a "go-to". I grew up with a gunsmith whose shop equipment consisted of an Atlas lathe, a Delta drill press, and a small barrel of dead Dremels. He made a good living for 50 years knowing what his limitations , and the Dremel's were. He'd go through 3-4 a year, and never a day went by that he did not have one in hand. Good Video!
The way that cut was done is definitely a real good head scratcher. If somebody told me to do it... I would put a 3/16 boring bar through that 1/4 screw hole and then insert a hss cutter into the boring bar. You can get a good 1/16 deep cut out of it I would reckon
Nice job bringing her back to life with a much handier to load for round.
12:54 if the radius is concentric with the hole, it could only have been done on a lathe with a tiny groove cutter style boring bar. If it's not, it could also have been done on a horizontal mill with a remarkably small arbor and cutter.
Thank You for educating us hobby gun Smith's .
Fantastic content as always. God bless
Me pregunto que paso con la baqueta de limpieza?? Disparo con ella adentro del.cañon ????
Thanks for sharing beautiful firearm
The machines back of the block with a very small boring bar, with a removable cutter that's held in place with an end center line set screw.
I I had to make a bunch of them, I'd make a rotary broach that piloted off the pivot pin hole. Segment it into enough individual cuts as to be workable. Maybe a rougher and a finisher. Make it out of M2 it should last thousands of cuts.
i like the idea but wouldnt there be evidence of the pivot pin hole in the block? what about a shaper very short throw and an right angel cutter?
@@pghgeo816 the breech block pivot pin *is* there, Kipling! 😆
As far as the machining steps for that rear cut. I would assume they did the bulk of the cutting to open it up drilled both holes then had a small radius cutter that was placed through the screw hole to cut the initial rear slot and then kept increasing in cutter diameter. I wish I could draw it out because I can't very well write out what I'm thinking in a clear enough form to make sense.
Was thinking a very small line boring operation.
That's it, they used the screw hole to insert and assemble an adjustable cutter.
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Mark you are one awesome man.
Another very cool and interesting video.
I chambered my .410 shotgun in .444 Marlin. You should see the look on people's faces when I pull that trigger. All it took was a brass sleeve to preserve the .444 cases during firing.
I live in Birminghsm UK not far from BSA where you can Go to the Gun Quarter and see all the old tools and machines used..one type of Barrel made by bending a single piece of wire around a bar n soldering in All the gaps in the spiralling barrel sets.French origin I believe,left a beautiful set of barrels..
I was watching your episode on rechambering a Peabody rifle to 45/70 and you asked how the rounded cut in the rear of the action was done . The only way I could fathom that being done would be to use a short enough bit to fit through the holes in the side and machine it from the each side from the center . I’m a ne subscriber and have enjoyed watching. Have a great day.if I can make a suggestion for an episode, how to remove and replace a breech plug” slot stripped” from a muzzle loader. Thanks
1:34 - so, Mark IS a gunsmith after all, because he DOES have a Dremel...😂 Congratulations on 100K subscribers 👏 ...🇦🇺👍😁
A handy tool, just not the go to.....thanks
@12:57 I would assume that was cut with a roller mill or a cutting wheel with the mandrel/arbor beeing cust above the receiverbody.
Most parts where probably done on horizontal miling machines as they allow for lower cutting speeds and thus accomodate for the worse materials back in the day.
I don't know what the technical term is historically, but a machine similar to a belt sander sized perfectly for the width of the action could relatively easily grind the small amount of metal necessary to form the round and seat the bolt.
I have a horizontal mill, and I suspect that it would be difficult to produce the small radius of the cut using a conventional set-up. The diameter of the arbours on standard machines start at one inch, so the diameter of the cutters is bigger than that.
I thought about it for a while, then it occurred to me that it could be done with a "Bull nose", (Spherical ended) slot drill. It would leave the ends of the cut with a radius, but it would not be difficult to make a smooth bodied cylindrical cutter with teeth on the end faces, driven by a shaft through the holes provided for the axis pin. Slow and inefficient, but labour was cheap back then.
The cut is broached with a half round cutter assembled through the pin hole.
Mark, have you ever lined a chamber for a side by side shotgun? I know how to do it, but wanted to know your thoughts. It is Damascus and pitted in front of the existing chamber, 16 ga., Plenty of thickness in the barrels for a thin liner. I was thinking of acraglass, but thought that if everything wasn't perfect it may torch at the gap. I have bisonite, high force 44 and silver solder. I really didn't want to go the solder route because the outside finish of the barrels is really good. What are your thoughts? Oh, it is black powder proofed only
Good video, does anyone know who makes or where I can buy internal spare parts for a special s&w 38 ctg revolver?
The pleasure is ours sir.
Of course the white socks was a nice touch!
That's a neat one mark
very good friend, big hug your friend from Brazil
Sweat-fit the sleeve, no worry about glue. It's also easier if done right.
I assume they made the cut which takes the recoil load by using a cutter you assemble within the frame, i.e. put the cutting wheel inside the frame, them put the drive shaft through the pin holes and through the cutter, secure it somehow and then do the cutting. Kind of like in a horizontal milling setup.
Hey I am by no means a machinist. But I am a go-to guy. Is it possible that after the receiver was drilled for that pivot bolt, that a shaft could go through there with a slot like a keyway all the way lengthwise and a piece of carbide be put in there that could be adjusted for height and as it spun it would shave some metal off of the receiver and small increments? Just my two cents
Either that, or it was machined separate then welded into position.