Hi again. Surprised that you technically put your life on the line for this driver monitor test. Kudos for doing the rest off the beaten path, of course. Perhaps Epilog could work on making their system alert and nag drivers more often? On a funny note, perhaps your channel's profile pic could make cameos since you *WERE* looking to your left during crucial moments. 2:46: Drake: _"... in a box to the left, to the left."_ Had to reference Drake's "I'm Upset."
I never realized how scary this test would be. I can’t imagine it at highway speeds. But also reassuring to know the car will steer and slow down instead of just “giving up” and sending me into the ether. I’ve brought up the DM encounter with Epilog and they will take a look. But regarding the DM, with my years with Comma hardware, it hasn’t been an issue much since I’m pretty anal about focusing on the road. For all I know the DM wasn’t triggered because I was probably sneaking peaks at the road without realizing lol
@@bryan.deleon So you instinctively took peeks at the road and the system mistook that for being alert? Don't know if you'll reference song lyrics in future videos, too.
@@tonyc.0451 In the second test on the farm road I covered my eyes with my hand and maybe should have done that in the beginning lol And lol on song lyrics
That’s a good call. I can ask Epilog if it’s possible. I know the Hyundai-Kia-Genesis were toying with it, but not sure about Toyota or Honda. I think turn signals are on CANBUs too for Toyota.
@@arkriz349 the fact that you have to ask, is what makes it better than Comma hardware imho: ruclips.net/video/RPP-q7PxAI0/видео.htmlsi=h6Ip_HemILgfcFzU If you’re asking about my POV DJI camera, it’s suctioned on driver side window.
Not at this time. But: ruclips.net/video/VyJZKFztw9Y/видео.htmlsi=vgKCkCre3ZKTDpOl Being honest though, I wouldn’t care if they never have it with the current hardware: One Step Closer to Beating Tesla FSD: Navigate on Openpilot ruclips.net/video/GtiXkWgK964/видео.html
Yup, they have publicly said it in the past, and I have confirmed from Epilog themselves that the current software I am using is based on openpilot v0.9.x What sets them apart is making it work so well with nvidia hardware instead of Qualcomm.
I view Epilog SideCar as the best means to get rock solid LKAS and improved ACC over your car’s stock ADAS system; and achieving this in a simple install and form factor. If you want to tinker/learn to code, try out gimmicks that have low success rate (e2e/experimental/NoO), can install VHB tape properly and accurately, don’t mind a cell phone blocking your view through the windshield, don’t have a SideCar compatible car, and have $1300+ play-money, then get Comma 3(x). BTW: Seinfeld > Friends 😝
@@jasonsadventures64 SideCar is going to be working on adapting to Honda next. I bring this up because, some newer Toyota vehicles have stricter security and likely won’t be compatible with SideCar or even openpilot (from which SideCar is built upon). Make sure to check out: drivesidecar.com/compatibility And for background regarding Toyota Security and which models are involved along with progress in solving it: github.com/commaai/openpilot/discussions/19932
So it doesn't work with sunglasses? All the OEMs are using infrared lights to get through sunglasses and work at night... In any case, this performance is really bad. Sidecar needs to fix this ASAP if they don't want to get sued or regulated to oblivion after the first minor accident. Honestly, since they're not doing the "it's a dash cam" BS Comma is, they probably shouldn't disable stock hands on wheel nag either to protect themselves until there's regulations specific to such products. That they can say all the stock driver monitoring is unchanged if something happens.
There is IR to aid the camera, but from what I gather, the ability of IR to penetrate sunglasses is hit or miss? Especially considering the Oakleys I wear are polarized and have a a reflective coating. The IR on the camera is also weak by design as to not damage our eyes. Can you link to the information regarding IR strength in the “all OEMs” you’re referring to?
@@bryan.deleon I don't know the specific intensity for any manufacturer, but for example Toyota initially used 6 IR LEDs (now only two) so it is fairly bright.Eye damage from infrared is thermal so it's not dangerous as long as the intensity is reasonable. Denso sells this system so many vehicles other than Toyota have it. Infrared should penetrate most sunglasses including polarized ones, but the issue as I understand it is it might be too blurry to track the eyelids and eyeball. Honestly don't know about reflective, maybe in the future we'll see a standard for that in sunglasses.
Hi again. Surprised that you technically put your life on the line for this driver monitor test. Kudos for doing the rest off the beaten path, of course. Perhaps Epilog could work on making their system alert and nag drivers more often? On a funny note, perhaps your channel's profile pic could make cameos since you *WERE* looking to your left during crucial moments.
2:46: Drake: _"... in a box to the left, to the left."_
Had to reference Drake's "I'm Upset."
I never realized how scary this test would be. I can’t imagine it at highway speeds. But also reassuring to know the car will steer and slow down instead of just “giving up” and sending me into the ether.
I’ve brought up the DM encounter with Epilog and they will take a look. But regarding the DM, with my years with Comma hardware, it hasn’t been an issue much since I’m pretty anal about focusing on the road. For all I know the DM wasn’t triggered because I was probably sneaking peaks at the road without realizing lol
@@bryan.deleon So you instinctively took peeks at the road and the system mistook that for being alert?
Don't know if you'll reference song lyrics in future videos, too.
@@tonyc.0451 In the second test on the farm road I covered my eyes with my hand and maybe should have done that in the beginning lol
And lol on song lyrics
@@bryan.deleon I wonder how you'll do the third driver monitor test. Assess and lower potential risks beforehand, of course.
it would be nice they can tap into the hazzard lights as the vehicle slows down to a stop.
That’s a good call. I can ask Epilog if it’s possible. I know the Hyundai-Kia-Genesis were toying with it, but not sure about Toyota or Honda. I think turn signals are on CANBUs too for Toyota.
Where's the camera mounted?
@@arkriz349 the fact that you have to ask, is what makes it better than Comma hardware imho: ruclips.net/video/RPP-q7PxAI0/видео.htmlsi=h6Ip_HemILgfcFzU
If you’re asking about my POV DJI camera, it’s suctioned on driver side window.
Does it stop for traffic lights?
Not at this time. But: ruclips.net/video/VyJZKFztw9Y/видео.htmlsi=vgKCkCre3ZKTDpOl
Being honest though, I wouldn’t care if they never have it with the current hardware: One Step Closer to Beating Tesla FSD: Navigate on Openpilot
ruclips.net/video/GtiXkWgK964/видео.html
Hello, I live in Spain and I have a Toyota Auris 2018 and I like a sidecar and I wanted to know if it is compatible with my car? thank you
Check here: drivesidecar.com/compatibility
I hear about they are base on openpilot, is that true
Yup, they have publicly said it in the past, and I have confirmed from Epilog themselves that the current software I am using is based on openpilot v0.9.x
What sets them apart is making it work so well with nvidia hardware instead of Qualcomm.
What are the implications of this vs getting a comma 3? Does it have the potential to be even better or more accessible?
I view Epilog SideCar as the best means to get rock solid LKAS and improved ACC over your car’s stock ADAS system; and achieving this in a simple install and form factor.
If you want to tinker/learn to code, try out gimmicks that have low success rate (e2e/experimental/NoO), can install VHB tape properly and accurately, don’t mind a cell phone blocking your view through the windshield, don’t have a SideCar compatible car, and have $1300+ play-money, then get Comma 3(x).
BTW: Seinfeld > Friends 😝
if the driver falls asleep , the car will stop , 😎 awesome, but dangerous test though
Yea very dangerous and would not recommend trying it.
Can you do a night drive?
Sure, that should be easy enough to test. Make sure to subscribe if you haven’t yet, so you don’t miss it.
i think you should have A co driver when testing the driving monitor alarm , to control the wheel just in case 😮😮
L O L are you volunteering?
Take it to Ireland where many roads are just 30% wider than an average car.
Pay for my ticket and the transport of my car and you have a deal. ;)
@@bryan.deleon Ireland is quite some fun mid year. Would have seen more with sidecar installed.
Hopefully, they will soon have an Android app.
I’ll ask them about it!
@@bryan.deleon My next car will most likely be a Toyota and I like that Sidecar hardware a lot better than Comma.
@@jasonsadventures64 SideCar is going to be working on adapting to Honda next. I bring this up because, some newer Toyota vehicles have stricter security and likely won’t be compatible with SideCar or even openpilot (from which SideCar is built upon).
Make sure to check out: drivesidecar.com/compatibility
And for background regarding Toyota Security and which models are involved along with progress in solving it: github.com/commaai/openpilot/discussions/19932
@@jasonsadventures64 and yes, the Form Factor is a clear winner imho
So it doesn't work with sunglasses? All the OEMs are using infrared lights to get through sunglasses and work at night...
In any case, this performance is really bad. Sidecar needs to fix this ASAP if they don't want to get sued or regulated to oblivion after the first minor accident. Honestly, since they're not doing the "it's a dash cam" BS Comma is, they probably shouldn't disable stock hands on wheel nag either to protect themselves until there's regulations specific to such products. That they can say all the stock driver monitoring is unchanged if something happens.
There is IR to aid the camera, but from what I gather, the ability of IR to penetrate sunglasses is hit or miss? Especially considering the Oakleys I wear are polarized and have a a reflective coating.
The IR on the camera is also weak by design as to not damage our eyes. Can you link to the information regarding IR strength in the “all OEMs” you’re referring to?
@@bryan.deleon I don't know the specific intensity for any manufacturer, but for example Toyota initially used 6 IR LEDs (now only two) so it is fairly bright.Eye damage from infrared is thermal so it's not dangerous as long as the intensity is reasonable. Denso sells this system so many vehicles other than Toyota have it.
Infrared should penetrate most sunglasses including polarized ones, but the issue as I understand it is it might be too blurry to track the eyelids and eyeball. Honestly don't know about reflective, maybe in the future we'll see a standard for that in sunglasses.