Hopefully with enough pressure by actual fans they do some reshoots and reasemble this shit-show. Same goes for Disney with that S.Wars trilogy of BS. It's a good way to keep the new fans(who like shiny things) bring back the old and be payed again for the same product.
@@4Everlast There ain't no fixing this mess bro, and even if it was possible there is no one left to do it. My recommendation, stop expecting anything decent to ever be made in our lifetime and appreciate all the decent stuff (or at least the tolerable stuff) that has already been made
You know... i can understand, why Tolkiens family is so against RoP. But why are they so strictly against even the LotR triology? That movies captured the spirit of Tolkiens works, without twisting them into something evil. Yes, there had to be make some shortcuts, but normally you can't just film a book 1 to 1
@@Anthyrion i agree with you, but i can understand christopher tolkien as well. He guarrded and studied his fathers work for almost a lifetime, and it orobably was his one link to his long dead farher too, so it makes sense that he would have an extra emotional bond to the souce that even we dont have.
@@stunningbrave5819 Of course. But he could've been on the original LotR Set and could've give Jackson directions, what he should and what he shouldn't do. A compromise between the original source material and the movies. And i don't think, one fan out there hates the Jackson movies (the Hobbit movies are not included). And Jackson himself said, he wanted to be as close to the source material as possible
@@Anthyrion thats what i mean. I think for someone as closely connected to the work as him, any adaptation would feel off, even aword to word one, because its just not from his father. That being said, i love both trilogies but rop is just an insult.
@@stunningbrave5819 I agree. And i am glad, i never watched any episode of RoP. Only reviews and some analytics of movie making basics. Hell, it seems they even didn't have swordfight training or some stunt choroegraphic training.
The scene where Elrond is sitting in a tree while editing Gil-Galad's speech, is an imitation of the scene in Fellowship of the Ring where Frodo is sitting in a tree and reading a book while waiting for Gandalf.
This side to side comparison is mind-blowing because LoTR was made 20 years ago with much less budget than RingsofPower and yet the scenes, the costumes, the acting, the music are on completely another level. You forgot the scene with Galadriel chasing the fallen elf when she whispered to the horse "Niro Lim " which was copy pasted from Arwen chase with the Nazguls.
Even the special effects... if you didn't know ROP was 20 years younger you would assume it were the older creation if not for the dreadful modern day acting giving it away. I am afraid we are moving into an age where meritocracy is being replaced with people 'like us' and all that is good in this world will be lost. (Meriadoc Brandybuck)
@@LinusLinothorax LOL They spent so much of that WETA budget setting up a film industry that has generated billions for NZ. They are not the same even with your BS 500 million completely removed from reality estimation of how much inflation occurred.
@@LinusLinothorax If you take inflation into account, the entire triology cost 146 million dollars. Amazon already spent more than 700 millions on a single season of RoP, more than 6 times what Peter Jackson had. They have no excuse
Ridiculous. That only works because most remember the one ring being indestructible, so you can make the association. But without that context it is profoundly absurd to conclude that the sword can't be destroyed. Shameless writing
@@MsRakuen I think it's even worse when Arondir does it vs Gimli: the latter is a Dwarf and, like most Dwarves, is well-versed in crafting and likely carries a very high-quality weapon. He, as a Dwarf, is also really strong and we could see him really using his entire body for power when making that swing. Looking at Arondir: apparently a Nandor Elf, so the most advanced they'd make are bows, no history of metal-forging, using a Man-made hammer (with what looks like a wooden handle?) and striking it with one hand as one would hammer in a nail. It's just... it's like ROP saw the scene from FotR and only got "tries to destroy artifact" from it, but none of the detail or acting or body movements.
@@adde27 Gimli's reasoning for believing the ring to be destructible is also a lot more believable since the one ring appears to be made of gold which is no match for an axe of steel. Meanwhile that handle looks to be some sort of black metal which would be significantly harder to break, without first heating it up, than a piece of jewelry.
Hi, just to let you know that Peter Jackson copied scenes from The Ralph Bakshi 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings". The scene where the hobbits are hiding under the over hang root of a tree in the encounter with the Nazgul (before they leave the Shire) is not in the books. It was, however, in the Ralph Bakshi "Lord of the Rings". And Peter Jackson took that scene from Bakshi's film. Another scene is when the Nazgul enter the hobbits room at the Prancing Pony and start slashing up the beds. That scene as an action scene is not in the books. But it is a scene from the Bakshi film. Peter Jackson took that scene from the Bakshi film and put it into the "Fellowship of the Rings". Is Peter Jackson bad for doing this? No. This is what filmmakers do. Films often reference other films all the time. Films reference artworks all the time.
Amazon employees: "Tolkien can not be copied, Bozo, son of Greed, by any craft we here posess". Bozo, the Defiler: "Sure, but is it beyond our skill to destroy?" The acting difference, again, is INCREDIBLE. Amazon's version is like me trying to immitate and actor and not putting in any particular effort while doing it. Shameful.
In my opinion, the RoP showrunners come across as narcissists. And if they are indeed narcs, then, just like Amber Heard after she shamelessly scammed sick and dying children for clout, these twits use others as ladders to climb up-and-above of. The worst part of this predicament is that Hollywood is filled to the brim with such self-obsessed hypocrites.
We saw how the elves were only showinh emotions when something truly big happened like elronds reaction toarwen choosing a mortal life or legolas seeing the mortally wounded boromir. RoP's galadriel is angry(and snobbish) at all times. Or childishly overjoyed when riding a horse on a beach. I can't get over her face in that scene.
What did you expect from writers who dont understand source material at all. If you portrait elves in a same way as "normal" short lived humans, you get shit show like in RoP. Tolkien made this difference very clear, but we all know/we saw what RoP think about Tolkien.
Their choice of main characters didn't leave them room for that kind of drama and they could have easily invented more or went with a different part of the lore.
And in the same moment you see Gandalfs face expressing some sort of relief that the ring remains safe with Frodo and fear for Frodos life because of the task Frodo just volunteered for.
@@danzansandeev6033 It’s such a little line but it shows so much of how inexperienced Frodo is with matters like this. But it also shows how much strength he had to keep moving forward despite all that he doesn’t know
@@TheBrotherdarkness9 Yeah, the look on Gandalf's face. I don't think it's relief its more.... pained and anguished. He doesn't want Frodo to take the Ring. He doesn't want to condemn him to an impossible quest.
I find myself wondering if the writers of RoP ever bothered reading the book. They seem to look to the Peter Jackson movies rather than Tolkien’s actual writing. I just re-read LOTR, and am working through the Appendices, and one thing I noticed was that Tolkien went out of his way to use archaic words that you just don’t see very often anymore. “Whence”, “anon”, “leagues” (as a unit of measure), “furlong”. One can easily see this, especially with an e-book, because you can look up as many words as you like. He uses many words which are “archaic” - and it creates a sense that the book is much older than it really is. Tolkien was a philologist, a branch of linguistics, so he clearly did this deliberately. The Rohirrim, for example, are made to resemble Anglo-Saxons, with words and phrases reminiscent of Anglo-Saxon (aka “Old English”) which Tolkien could understand and translate. For example, in LOTR (the book) Theoden refers to his nephew as “sister-son”. It’s not unlike the choices made by the writers of the King James Version of the Bible. It too was written in a style that was slightly antiquated even in the early 17th Century. Now if one is trying to interpret, the KJV isn’t the best translation. But if one wants to hear a poetic expression, it works. And Tolkien includes a great deal of poetry in his writing. So if these RoP writers and producers want to write a better script, they would do better to read and re-read Tolkien’s actual writings, to get a feel for the language, and his archaic style of wording. Perhaps they should hire a linguist to assist them. I know some might say that this would make it difficult to understand, but we don’t “dumb-down” Shakespeare when producing it, despite the fact that Modern English has changed a great deal even since Shakespeare. The problem is in finding a Shakespeare out there, for to become a great writer, one must first be a READER, and far too many people spend far too much more time WATCHING than READING. This wouldn’t solve all the problems with the RoP, but it would be a good start.
dude... why u thinking like this?? u could think like "they use it to honor for 1000th time their work" :) guys u so mad and negative 🙄🙄 like u are blinded by Sauron
The way in which that line was delivered was so cringe-inducing that I found myself speculating about who's idea it was, and, whether they, growing up, were used to getting their way.
I have a feeling the person writing that also wears all-dark clothes, constantly mutters random profound-sounding phrases and screams out their special abilities on a daily basis
Because it means "run swift". That's not stealing from another script, that's using an in-universe language. It's like complaining every movie made in English is ripping off the first one because they all use the word "the".
@@plebisMaximus No, they obviously were copying the scene. I mean the chase, the music, the forest. And I don't remember any other scene with elvish language..
@@BondsProduction Yes, this. I also don't recall much other usage of the elvish languages in the show. Elendil spoke more elvish than the actual elves did, iirc (though I'm not going to watch it again to verify), which is why this particular line kind of jumps out at you. I'm not trying to discount that "noro lim" means "run swift." I know that--but the words can mean the same thing and still be a reference to Arwen's line in Fellowship.
@@Janx14 new mystery box on the table now. are they all gonna be fired or just some of them. they are gonna reboot season 1 for sure. the damage done is beyond their fixing ability, it needs peter jackson medicine. this is how you steel from LOTR movies.
The Amazon showrunners were 'inspired' by the Jackson movies, but unlike Peter Jackson, they had no genuine respect for, or understanding of Tolkien's actual written works. And it absolutely shows. And the way they ripped off the movies was so absolutely obvious. Though they did twist everything, people , events, canon, so that they'd be 'different'. Or more likely to turn Tolkien's creation into something more suited to their tastes. (AmazonGaladriel x Sauron.... WTF!?) In RoP's case, they managed to mangle the canon into something utterly and irreversibly unrecognisable.. In other words, they're basically blaggers who's speciality seems to be cut-and-pasting (and inverting) other people's work.
Hi, just to let you know that Peter Jackson copied scenes from The Ralph Bakshi 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings". The scene where the hobbits are hiding under the over hang root of a tree in the encounter with the Nazgul (before they leave the Shire) is not in the books. It was, however, in the Ralph Bakshi "Lord of the Rings". And Peter Jackson took that scene from Bakshi's film. Another scene is when the Nazgul enter the hobbits room at the Prancing Pony and start slashing up the beds. That scene as an action scene is not in the books. But it is a scene from the Bakshi film. Peter Jackson took that scene from the Bakshi film and put it into the "Fellowship of the Rings". Is Peter Jackson bad for doing this? No. This is what filmmakers do. Films often reference other films all the time. Films reference artworks all the time.
@@gaebren9021 I remember watching Bakshi's LOTR. To be honest, I'm kind of glad Jackson used some of those scenes. I actually liked those. I'd forgotten they weren't in the books. Jackson did certain things that, at the time I'd wished he'd done otherwise, or he missed out on things I'd wanted to see. But that would have required more movies than we got, when you actually think about it. Ultimately, though, Jackson approached the Lord of the Rings movies as a fan with a genuine understanding of and respect for Tolkien's work. The Amazon showrunners had the exact opposite attitude..And it shows. They also seem to be using bits and pieces of a bad D&D script, ripping off Shakespeare (the three witches, MacBeth, Romeo and Juliet (and I've got the feeling they've been TRYING to use the Bard's work as a source of 'old school' English language,)) , and reusing variations of entire chunks of the Jackson movies (really badly) - which they said they'd wanted nothing to do with. (RoP's 'anti-Helm's Deep' is just ridiculous. They seem to have thought that doing the exact opposite of what Theoden and his people might have made it seem more 'original'. But they essentially did the equivalent of the Rohirrim blowing up Helm's Deep themselves and then waiting at the bottom of a hill waiting for the Orcs to come charging down. What's makes it funny is that Amazon's people have actually come out and criticised Jackson's movies, basically suggesting that THEY'D do better. Of course, they DID (sort of) make 'improvements', too, like Galadriel doing acrobatics on her horse (not sure why) like a more advanced version of Legolas's trick..) They claimed they'd write 'the book that Tolkien never wrote'. But I'm getting the impression they really just wanted an AmazonGaladriel x Sauron 'romance' and just shoving all this other stuff in, either to make it fit, or as a shield against criticism. To be fair, though, if the Amazon showrunners had Jackson's attitude towards Tolkien's work (and were more competent) , I might have been forgiving..
2:20 "No common ranger" makes perfect sense. "No common ruler" makes ZERO SENSE, especially not in that context. What exactly is a "common ruler?"' Rulers aren't common EVER. But if there was a special one, it sure wouldn't be the ruler of the bloody southlands, that are according to the show, what? A 100 people at best? These people fail at basic understanding of words. Also, the difference in quality of actors is just crushing, once you put the two side by side.
As someone who's English is not the main language, the difference between good writing and terrible writing is the fact that one is understandable with ease while the other is hard because it was written by people with an academic level of english
They believe using as many niche expressions and complex words as possible makes them smarter and forget that the whole point of communication is to be heard and understood
I’ve only watched reviews of rings of power because they’re hilarious and I love the failure. But I did recently go back and rewatch the Fellowship of the Ring just because it’s such a great movie and I can’t tell you how many things I saw and were said that we’re nearly identical to Clips from rings of power. You’re correct they absolutely copied it thinking no one would notice but that just shows how clueless they are.
They were supposed to be nostalgic call-backs for LotR fans, but Payne tacked on so many that it does feel like a crutch used when they couldn’t conjure up anything original
Hi, just to let you know that Peter Jackson copied scenes from The Ralph Bakshi 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings". The scene where the hobbits are hiding under the over hang root of a tree in the encounter with the Nazgul (before they leave the Shire) is not in the books. It was, however, in the Ralph Bakshi "Lord of the Rings". And Peter Jackson took that scene from Bakshi's film. Another scene is when the Nazgul enter the hobbits room at the Prancing Pony and start slashing up the beds. That scene as an action scene is not in the books. But it is a scene from the Bakshi film. Peter Jackson took that scene from the Bakshi film and put it into the "Fellowship of the Rings". Is Peter Jackson bad for doing this? No. This is what filmmakers do. Films often reference other films all the time. Films reference artworks all the time.
@gaebren9021 you only pointed out two examples compared to the many that Rings of power copied. Also no one said it was bad to copy some things they are just saying that they overdo it to where they try to rely on what LOTR did so wonderfully rather than have there own identity.
🤣 nice to see you here :) I m the same in this - I love that kind of vids. Usualy I m very balanced in my criticism of movies. But this was smt on another level of shameless, disgusting vandalism and so I have no mercy in me 🤣
A show called Dark Crystal Age of Resistance the prequel to Dark Crystal 1982 felt more elvish than Broke of power despite being played by puppets, the Skeksis the main villain faction has more personality and elegance than failbrand and Guy-ladriel.
You completely missed the most egregious RoP off, Grrrladriel and The Kid hiding fin the orcs (like the hobbits from the Nazgul) under the tree.. complete with sniffing!
Because that scene that Peter Jackson did of the Hobbits hiding from the Nazgul is copied from the Ralph Bakshi 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings". In fact Peter Jackson copied a few of the scenes out of Bakshi's film. The Raid on the Prancing Pony is another one I believe Peter Jackson copied.
It's so funny how hard they try to jumble up the order of, or completely change, lines from the originals while at the same time sounding so impossibly amateur. God this show sucks lol
you know, Peter Jackson couldn’t quite do J.R.R. Tolkien‘s work justice. But you know what it had? Love, care and at least some understanding for Tolkien‘s work. Almost as if they knew they couldn’t do it justice but did their damnedest to try. And that’s why people give such leeway to the Jackson films even though they don’t perfectly made it match the books. You can tell there is a reverence there. I mean if you truly want to experience Tolkien stories read the books.
That's why it's called an adaptation. Tolkien's work was adapted, not copied, for the Jackson films. They made their own version of the story and did a damn good job with it. It's literally impossible to convey the same feelings, themes and stories exactly in a film as you do in a book, nobody's "giving leeway" to the Jackson films, most of us just understand that it's a different medium and therefore won't give the same experience as reading the books. Peter Jackson did Tolkien's work justice by letting it be its own thing and trying to make some top tier movies with the same overall story and themes that very obviously impacted him when he read the books. The worst thing you can do when adapting a story is trying to make it 1:1.
@@plebisMaximus He delivered an outstanding version for a *_mainstream_* movie retelling, but Tolkien wouldn't find it doing justice when some parts directly go against his intention. It's a trilogy that did 80% of the original work justice at most, and that's ok. The movies got the overall themes right, but they also changed a lot of others. Like Gandalf murdering Denethor without giving af and Aragorn beheading the Mouth of Sauron goes so jarringly against the theme of sparing and having mercy on even the foulest enemies, especially when it's also established in the first 2 movies through Gandalf/Gollum and Aragorn/Grima. Frodo and Sam were a balanced duo, but the movies skew so much towards Sam that many moviegoers find Frodo worthless. It knocked off the group's balance and the point of their arcs. Gollum's betrayal was to convey Tolkien's philosophy that having mercy on enemies was wise (Frodo's actions), and Sam's narrowmindedness was what caused the tragedy and prevented Gollum's redemption. But the movie flips it around by making Frodo the gullible wrong one about Gollum while Sam becomes right. Merry and Pippin became comic relief, nuff said. The centerpoint of the story and major growth went from the Hobbits to Aragorn. Aragorn was given a character arc, when he's meant to represent a static mythological hero. Yet the Hobbits became a lot more 1 dimensional. There's still a lot more that is contrary to the themes of Tolkien's work that's too long to type
Yes, exactly. Jackson's Ring is a big screen, mainstream adaptation of the books that truly works as cinema. The books transport you to the world of Tolkien's imagination, which is something else entirely.
@@MisterRose90 I think trying to make a 1:1 replication between cinema and literature is bad because because 1) it's not possible and 2) you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. It's not possible because a book has just too much content, plots, subplots, descriptions, characters, interactions and "side quests" to fit into a 2, 3, or even 4 hour movie. It takes days to read even the best book. I read The Hunger Games in a single day and, while I was clearly hooked because I read it in a day, I had no desire to read and still to this day haven't read the sequels because I burned myself out from reading the first one within 24 hours. Novels are meant to be read over many sessions so to try to get all that material into something that is supposed to be digested in one sitting of a few hours... it's simply not possible to do a 1:1. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't because, if you don't create a 1:1 if that's your goal, people are going to recognize that and call it out. I was pretty young when the Lord of the Rings movies started coming out (a quick google search showed I was 6 when FotR released) but I remember die hard enthusiasts were disappointed that there was no Tom Bombadil. If I remember correctly, Peter Jackson spoke on that and said they wanted to include it but the movie was so long already and the whole Bombadil arc felt more "side-questy" than an actual part of the overall plot so they ended up cutting that part of the story out altogether for the movie to save on time and cost. Over time people kind of forgave and forgot but it was definitely called out at the time. And if you DO manage to pull off a perfect recreation, I think people wouldn't like that either because then people will say nothing about it is original and the director would just be copying the work already established, but I suppose I've never seen a perfect 1:1 recreation of a literary work on screen. I think the most you can do is try to do the original work justice by trying to adapt your story to align as best as possible with the literature. The second point is interesting because I'm very much looking forward to the Last of Us tv show that will be coming out on HBO and they've discussed that the plot will pretty much follow the plot of the first game, so I'm curious to see how closely they follow it and how well it will be received.
Well, she successfully tanked a pyroclastic flow with her face, and not even a first-degree burn was sustained in the process. The flow on said occasion was more than unbearable -- it was damn deadly. And that rabbid-squirrel-scowling elf was so _not_ harmed that she may as well have phased out of the way. In the background, Mount Doom should be heard saying, "Bitch please."
@@ro4eva and let's not start with the fact it's not just a volcano but one of Morgoth's creations and the only place that could melt the one ring. bitch please" before accurately spewing a big pyroclast and bonking her in the head, saving middle earth from Galadrieln't would've been a good ending
In addition to the surprising amount of scenes you have found I got a few additions: The hobbits hiding from nazgul is copied when Galadriel and Theo hide from the orcs, the noro lim scene (when fleeing from the nazgul), the death of the elve leader when he climbs out the "trench" is similar to Boromirs death, elrond waiting in the tree is similar to frodo waiting for Gandalf in a tree and Galadriels arrival in the southlands is similar to Gandalfs arrival at the helms deep battle Edit: Remembered some more, I will probably keep adding more later: The snow troll scene is stolen entirely from lotr, ice wall climbing is stolen from game of thrones, Galariel deciding which way to go "the air is colder around here" is stolen from Gandalf deciding which way to go in Moria "the air smells foul", the fight between "The Stranger" and female eminem is basically Gandalf vs Saroman, the shot before the battle in episode 6 where people are afraid and baby is crying is similar to scene in helms deep battle and finally the fight between Arondir and the orc is stolen from the Hobbit's scene Legolas vs white orc And you could also point out the general parallels between the characters like frodo, Sam and the harfoot duo or the similar elve-human-lovestory in both. Feel free to add more :)
Also the scene where Gandalf is leading the charge on Shadowfax down the steep hill mirrors the arrival of the Númenórean army in the Southlands/Mordor. Even to the extent that they were laughably inconsistent with lighting. Had to have the sun behind them just like Two Towers even though the sun doesn't rise in the west. But they don't know how maps work either so...
The Hobbits hiding from the Nazgul in the Peter Jackson film is copied from the Hobbits hiding from the Nazgul in the Ralph Bakshi 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings". Peter Jackson totally lifted that scene from that 1978 film. He also lifted other scenes from that film. The Nazgul raid at the Prancing Pony is one. Coming out of the Mines of Moria I believe is another.
@@gaebren9021 Maybe these scenes in the JP movies and the Bakshi movie look so like eachother because they derived fom the same text in the same books, books I recommend reading. A kind of different situation as lifting scenes from one succesful movie for another without any base in an existing story. And when there is a story in the RoP it basicly seems to have the actors run from one lifted scene to anothe lifed scene.
I feel so sorry for the great actors who were coaxed into acting in this hot mess of a show. They thought they were going to be a part of the Tolkien univerise like Viggo, Orlando, Liv and the like before them. Instead they were given a turd and asked to turn it into diamonds.
Quoting or alluding to moments from the trilogy isn’t the problem. It’s a problem because they didn’t manage to build a strong enough firmament on their own.
Yes. In a better show, these might have made fun call backs (except for the tempest line. It will never not sound cringe.). But this isn't a better show. This is what is left floating around the bowl after Tolkien finishes using the loo.
@@eagletrigger It’s a show by showrunners who overestimate their own story crafting skills to the detriment of all the admittedly great people (directors, cast) involved in the show.
The most blatant one I found was Galadriel deciding which way to go based on „it‘s colder here“, reminding me very strongly of Gandalf choosing which way to go in Moria „the air is less foul here“. I felt like it was a very obvious attempt at fan-servicing.
The worst for me is them stealing the story of Beren and Lúthien, the love story based directly on Tolkien and his wife Edith, and shamelessly repurposed it as Galadriel's backstory, basically saying Beren and Lúthien never existed in media canon. Tolkien and Edith have Beren and Lúthien engraved on thier very tombstones, an eternal sign of thier love. It is one of the most precious stories to Tolkien, personally, and they freaking stole it and erased its legacy.
They did a moment of slow Mo at the Hobbit goodbye mimicking the "and I'm coming with you". They swirled 'not gandalf' around and yeeted him like saruman will do in FotR
There were all kinds of little things too. When the Ents flood Orthanc, there is a shot of miniatures flooding that is almost created exactly when the tunnels or whatever, were flooding the volcano. Even typing that last part sounds ridiculous, and they made a show based on it..Gees.
The horse whispering comparison made me laugh it was so bad... Emotive and seductive elvish vs 'No... you are going home' ... I shall try it next time my dog launches after a squirrel.
Min 2 : 41, the line " there is a tempest in me " reminds me about the scene "I, too can command the wind, sir!" from Elizabeth: The Golden Age , by the same Cate Blanchett.
I have never been this happy to have NOT watched a single minute of a series! My applause to the brave ones who took the bullet to entertain people like me with their endlessly entertaining observations on RUclips.
Actually it wasn't as bad as people are making it out to be. A lot of these video's are hyperbole. The series had some writing problems but other than that it was OK. In fact I thought it was good. It held my attention and I enjoyed watching it. The series is very bold and that I think is an issue with people. Particularly people making the videos you have been watching. Many of these people want something nice and safe. Peter Jackson type stuff so when they see something that challenges them they get agitated. As you can tell by the video's. Bit of a shame really. My friend and I were talking about this very thing in relation to music. The reason music from the 60's 70's 80's and 90's was successful was due to it's innovation. It was bold, innovative and pushed boundaries. experimental. Rings of Power is very much like this. Willing to take risks. Peter Jackson made some really good films. Notice in his films there are a lot of fight, action, scenes, cause that is what sells. As a film maker, Peter Jackson films are often action based. If you read Tolkien you will notice that there is a lot of slow paced narrative in the books. Tolkien will take the time to describe a woodland, a landscape etc. "Rings of Power" and Bakshi's 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings" reflects this (Tolkien's pacing and world building) much better than Peter Jackson who is, well, action based. Again, this is just Jackson's style and not a criticism towards him. Interestingly, Peter Jackson also coped a lot of hostility from Tolkien fans when "The Fellowship of the Ring" came out. Much in the same vane as what "Rings of Power" is coping.
Fantastic job on this video! There is absolutely no subtlety in ROP to begin with, but they also had to steal lines from LOTR? I've seen many comments throughout episode reviews where people say "that scene where [whatever happens] reminds me of [name of video game, movie or show]" so they also copied quite a bit of that. I have seen the same criticisms for the show Kenobi. I hope this video gets thousands of views. "Tens of thousands," says Saruman. I can copy, too! I'll put this on my résumé when I apply to write season three 😂
God it’s like someone opened a dumpster with a body inside and said “ah the miracle of birth” But the best quote that perfectly sums up this atrocity “evil cannot create, only destroy and disfigure”
1. There is a scene in ROP when a guy is shot by arrows - same as Boromir ib LOTR. 2. The introduction to Elrond character showing him writting something in a peaceful and leisurely way. It reminds me of the start of LOTR when Frodo meets Gandalf. Sorry I can't explain more about the ROP scenes above. I didn't watch the show but I saw some clips.
The "there is a tempest in me" speech, I think, is derivative of "there is a hurricane in me" speech in Elizabeth: the Golden Age. I don't think the duo limited their borrowing to Peter Jackson.
Yeah, agreed. This video is really stretching with some of these examples. Do they pillage from older sayings sometimes? Sure, but so does Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.etc. Doesn't make it right, but hardly a unique issue with this now Amazon show.
@@5150bwagner It's not a unique issue to RoP, I don't think anyone's claiming that. But it is the topic right now because of how badly it was done, alongside other egregious flaws of the show.
I imagine the creators while filming the "Nose-scene" with hobo gandalf that they thought the crowd would go wild with cheer and applause like in that meme with the flatscreen in the bar. But in reality they just go: 🤦🏻♂️
Actually the phrase, textually: 'Evil does not sleep. It waits' was, every word, said by an Amazon queen in the Justice League movies. It isn't just similar, it's the exact same
I only got two episodes in, but had the distinct impression that the writers of the series had watched the movies and simply had someone (unsuccessfully) explain the Silmarillion to them.
Thank you so much for making this, this is my number one reason for despising RoP and most modern “resurrections” of beloved franchises. Don’t forget Galadriel and Theo hiding under the tree from the orcs copying the hobbits hiding from the Nazgûl in The Fellowship.
Hi, just to let you know that Peter Jackson copied scenes from The Ralph Bakshi 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings". The scene where the hobbits are hiding under the over hang root of a tree in the encounter with the Nazgul (before they leave the Shire) is not in the books. It was, however, in the Ralph Bakshi "Lord of the Rings". And Peter Jackson took that scene from Bakshi's film. Another scene is when the Nazgul enter the hobbits room at the Prancing Pony and start slashing up the beds. That scene as an action scene is not in the books. But it is a scene from the Bakshi film. Peter Jackson took that scene from the Bakshi film and put it into the "Fellowship of the Rings". Is Peter Jackson bad for doing this? No. This is what filmmakers do. Films often reference other films all the time. Films reference artworks all the time.
It's so weird how I can see small out of context clips from the Jackson trilogy and feel that rush of nostalgic joy from just a few seconds. And then the ROP comes and it feels like I'm watching a porn parody. EDIT: OH GOD THAT GANDALF BIT MADE ME SO FUCKING MAD. Gandalf isn't even in Middle Earth in the Second Age.
Wow this really shows how unimportant this TV show is. Frodos live changing sentence that defines the live of millions of innocent beings : I will take it A giant burden he takes to help innocent people and destroy the pure evil on earth. VS. I will cut it down..... he cuts down a tree. Wow.
You'd have to take this up with Tolkien himself since he was the one who repeated these themes from the First Age into the Second and then the Third Age. He was the one who used the same ideas over and over.
You seem to not understand the problem here. Either of you two hacksters The problem is not that the parallels EXIST. It’s the fact that these things are being done as corporate hack “fan service” whilst Amazon is wearing around our beloved franchise as a fucking skinsuit. But this is too complex a topic for your tiny brains to handle. “Oh, look, shiny!” “Thing I recognize, is good!” “A doggy!”
@@StarWarsomania So we're the idiots who can't understand nuance and complexity because we're capable of recognizing a theme? You do know running headfirst at a brick wall isn't a good way to start your day, right?
Baha he hits that sword hilt with a tiny blacksmiths hammer, fails and says it’s beyond their ability to destroy. At least when gimli goes to destroy it he uses a huge axe and it basically explodes, followed with some exposition
Hi, just to let you know that Peter Jackson copied scenes from The Ralph Bakshi 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings". The scene where the hobbits are hiding under the over hang root of a tree in the encounter with the Nazgul (before they leave the Shire) is not in the books. It was, however, in the Ralph Bakshi "Lord of the Rings". And Peter Jackson took that scene from Bakshi's film. Another scene is when the Nazgul enter the hobbits room at the Prancing Pony and start slashing up the beds. That scene as an action scene is not in the books. But it is a scene from the Bakshi film. Peter Jackson took that scene from the Bakshi film and put it into the "Fellowship of the Rings". Is Peter Jackson bad for doing this? No. This is what filmmakers do. Films often reference other films all the time. Films reference artworks all the time.
I want to erase my memory, erase the ROP and rewatch LOTR as I've watched it for the first time. And then rewatch the extended cut like I watched it for the first time. Why does it have to be like this 😭 Why did they disfigure this work of art...
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I burst into laughter at " THERE IS A TEMPEST IN ME!". The contrast couldn't be more glaring.
Yeah that just sounded like she needed to go to the bathroom
That part is stolen from cate blanchets role in Elisabeth where she says "there is a hurricane in me" 😄
lol I legit laughed it sounded so bad, like some kind of slam poetry
Why do I hate her acting so much?
I feel so much emotion when the LOTR movie scenes play. When the ROP scenes play? I felt a strong desire to watch something else
yeah that's it spot on...its soul..its heart its alive..and rings of power has no life...its dead inside
Well, if they wanted the audience to feel something strongly, they sure succeeded.
Hopefully with enough pressure by actual fans they do some reshoots and reasemble this shit-show. Same goes for Disney with that S.Wars trilogy of BS. It's a good way to keep the new fans(who like shiny things) bring back the old and be payed again for the same product.
I felt a strong desire to watch the Original Jackson trilogy
@@4Everlast There ain't no fixing this mess bro, and even if it was possible there is no one left to do it.
My recommendation, stop expecting anything decent to ever be made in our lifetime and appreciate all the decent stuff (or at least the tolerable stuff) that has already been made
"Evil does not sleep, it waits...
for Christopher Tolkien to die, so they can ruin his father's legacy without anyone stopping them".
Amazon
You know... i can understand, why Tolkiens family is so against RoP. But why are they so strictly against even the LotR triology? That movies captured the spirit of Tolkiens works, without twisting them into something evil. Yes, there had to be make some shortcuts, but normally you can't just film a book 1 to 1
@@Anthyrion i agree with you, but i can understand christopher tolkien as well. He guarrded and studied his fathers work for almost a lifetime, and it orobably was his one link to his long dead farher too, so it makes sense that he would have an extra emotional bond to the souce that even we dont have.
@@stunningbrave5819 Of course. But he could've been on the original LotR Set and could've give Jackson directions, what he should and what he shouldn't do. A compromise between the original source material and the movies. And i don't think, one fan out there hates the Jackson movies (the Hobbit movies are not included). And Jackson himself said, he wanted to be as close to the source material as possible
@@Anthyrion thats what i mean. I think for someone as closely connected to the work as him, any adaptation would feel off, even aword to word one, because its just not from his father.
That being said, i love both trilogies but rop is just an insult.
@@stunningbrave5819 I agree. And i am glad, i never watched any episode of RoP. Only reviews and some analytics of movie making basics. Hell, it seems they even didn't have swordfight training or some stunt choroegraphic training.
I’m sure Payne thought LotR fans would love these little easter eggs, but they only crystallize the impression that RoP is a sad mockery of Tolkien
The scene where Elrond is sitting in a tree while editing Gil-Galad's speech, is an imitation of the scene in Fellowship of the Ring where Frodo is sitting in a tree and reading a book while waiting for Gandalf.
This side to side comparison is mind-blowing because LoTR was made 20 years ago with much less budget than RingsofPower and yet the scenes, the costumes, the acting, the music are on completely another level. You forgot the scene with Galadriel chasing the fallen elf when she whispered to the horse "Niro Lim " which was copy pasted from Arwen chase with the Nazguls.
Including inflation, the Jackson trilogy had an almost equal budget as ROP season 1, approximately 500 million dollar.
Even the special effects... if you didn't know ROP was 20 years younger you would assume it were the older creation if not for the dreadful modern day acting giving it away.
I am afraid we are moving into an age where meritocracy is being replaced with people 'like us' and all that is good in this world will be lost. (Meriadoc Brandybuck)
@@LinusLinothorax LOL They spent so much of that WETA budget setting up a film industry that has generated billions for NZ. They are not the same even with your BS 500 million completely removed from reality estimation of how much inflation occurred.
@@LinusLinothorax If you take inflation into account, the entire triology cost 146 million dollars.
Amazon already spent more than 700 millions on a single season of RoP, more than 6 times what Peter Jackson had.
They have no excuse
@@RoulicisThe The budget for the trilogy was nearly 300 million dollars. Inflation since 2000 amounts to +70%. 300 million * 1,7=510 million dollars.
*uses a hammer on cold steel*
damn it can’t be destroyed by anything
Ridiculous. That only works because most remember the one ring being indestructible, so you can make the association. But without that context it is profoundly absurd to conclude that the sword can't be destroyed. Shameless writing
@@MsRakuen I think it's even worse when Arondir does it vs Gimli: the latter is a Dwarf and, like most Dwarves, is well-versed in crafting and likely carries a very high-quality weapon. He, as a Dwarf, is also really strong and we could see him really using his entire body for power when making that swing. Looking at Arondir: apparently a Nandor Elf, so the most advanced they'd make are bows, no history of metal-forging, using a Man-made hammer (with what looks like a wooden handle?) and striking it with one hand as one would hammer in a nail.
It's just... it's like ROP saw the scene from FotR and only got "tries to destroy artifact" from it, but none of the detail or acting or body movements.
@@adde27 Exactly this.
Oh yeah. What was the point of that scene? Hammering cold steel?
@@adde27 Gimli's reasoning for believing the ring to be destructible is also a lot more believable since the one ring appears to be made of gold which is no match for an axe of steel. Meanwhile that handle looks to be some sort of black metal which would be significantly harder to break, without first heating it up, than a piece of jewelry.
"Yeah you can copy my homework but make sure you change it a little bit" xDDD
They are so incompetent when copying homework they'll even copy the name of the person who they are copying from!
lol...F-. worst shit ever made
Hi, just to let you know that Peter Jackson copied scenes from The Ralph Bakshi 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings".
The scene where the hobbits are hiding under the over hang root of a tree in the encounter with the Nazgul (before they leave the Shire) is not in the books.
It was, however, in the Ralph Bakshi "Lord of the Rings". And Peter Jackson took that scene from Bakshi's film.
Another scene is when the Nazgul enter the hobbits room at the Prancing Pony and start slashing up the beds. That scene as an action scene is not in the books. But it is a scene from the Bakshi film. Peter Jackson took that scene from the Bakshi film and put it into the "Fellowship of the Rings".
Is Peter Jackson bad for doing this? No. This is what filmmakers do. Films often reference other films all the time. Films reference artworks all the time.
Amazon employees:
"Tolkien can not be copied, Bozo, son of Greed, by any craft we here posess".
Bozo, the Defiler:
"Sure, but is it beyond our skill to destroy?"
The acting difference, again, is INCREDIBLE. Amazon's version is like me trying to immitate and actor and not putting in any particular effort while doing it. Shameful.
How they weren't ashamed to do any of this is beyond me. The level of ego one needs to write shit like that and think it's good is too damn high.
In my opinion, the RoP showrunners come across as narcissists. And if they are indeed narcs, then, just like Amber Heard after she shamelessly scammed sick and dying children for clout, these twits use others as ladders to climb up-and-above of. The worst part of this predicament is that Hollywood is filled to the brim with such self-obsessed hypocrites.
Evil cannot create, it can only twist. That quote was never truer than it is for Payne & McKay.
We saw how the elves were only showinh emotions when something truly big happened like elronds reaction toarwen choosing a mortal life or legolas seeing the mortally wounded boromir.
RoP's galadriel is angry(and snobbish) at all times. Or childishly overjoyed when riding a horse on a beach. I can't get over her face in that scene.
I saw a clip of that scene and her smile looks so fake
What did you expect from writers who dont understand source material at all. If you portrait elves in a same way as "normal" short lived humans, you get shit show like in RoP. Tolkien made this difference very clear, but we all know/we saw what RoP think about Tolkien.
She truly goes Grinch mode while riding a horse
Their choice of main characters didn't leave them room for that kind of drama and they could have easily invented more or went with a different part of the lore.
When frodo said "I will take the ring to mordor" You can actually feel his fear and frustration.
And in the same moment you see Gandalfs face expressing some sort of relief that the ring remains safe with Frodo and fear for Frodos life because of the task Frodo just volunteered for.
@@TheBrotherdarkness9till this day I love that little scene from extended cut, where Frodo asks “Mordor, Gandalf, is it left or right?”
@@danzansandeev6033 It’s such a little line but it shows so much of how inexperienced Frodo is with matters like this. But it also shows how much strength he had to keep moving forward despite all that he doesn’t know
And i Never felt the need to see myself represented for that. What a shallow way of seeing things
@@TheBrotherdarkness9 Yeah, the look on Gandalf's face. I don't think it's relief its more.... pained and anguished. He doesn't want Frodo to take the Ring. He doesn't want to condemn him to an impossible quest.
All the money in the world and amazon keeps failing
Perhaps failing is the plan all along. They would claim they lost 1 billion dollars and write it off as tax deduction.
"There is a tempest in me" was stolen from Cate Blanchett "There is a hurricane in me" in Elizabeth The Golden Age :)
There was also the moment in the first episode when one of Galadriels soldiers says “What devilry is this?” Clearly stolen from Boromir.
Script-stealing hacks! Had me grinding my teeth every time they did it...
Payne & McKay are the real "patently evil" villains in this farce!
I find myself wondering if the writers of RoP ever bothered reading the book. They seem to look to the Peter Jackson movies rather than Tolkien’s actual writing.
I just re-read LOTR, and am working through the Appendices, and one thing I noticed was that Tolkien went out of his way to use archaic words that you just don’t see very often anymore. “Whence”, “anon”, “leagues” (as a unit of measure), “furlong”. One can easily see this, especially with an e-book, because you can look up as many words as you like. He uses many words which are “archaic” - and it creates a sense that the book is much older than it really is. Tolkien was a philologist, a branch of linguistics, so he clearly did this deliberately.
The Rohirrim, for example, are made to resemble Anglo-Saxons, with words and phrases reminiscent of Anglo-Saxon (aka “Old English”) which Tolkien could understand and translate. For example, in LOTR (the book) Theoden refers to his nephew as “sister-son”.
It’s not unlike the choices made by the writers of the King James Version of the Bible. It too was written in a style that was slightly antiquated even in the early 17th Century. Now if one is trying to interpret, the KJV isn’t the best translation. But if one wants to hear a poetic expression, it works. And Tolkien includes a great deal of poetry in his writing.
So if these RoP writers and producers want to write a better script, they would do better to read and re-read Tolkien’s actual writings, to get a feel for the language, and his archaic style of wording. Perhaps they should hire a linguist to assist them. I know some might say that this would make it difficult to understand, but we don’t “dumb-down” Shakespeare when producing it, despite the fact that Modern English has changed a great deal even since Shakespeare. The problem is in finding a Shakespeare out there, for to become a great writer, one must first be a READER, and far too many people spend far too much more time WATCHING than READING.
This wouldn’t solve all the problems with the RoP, but it would be a good start.
dude... why u thinking like this?? u could think like "they use it to honor for 1000th time their work" :) guys u so mad and negative 🙄🙄 like u are blinded by Sauron
I want to read their "early life" wikipedia sections. I think I wouldn't be surprised by what I would find there...
Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.
@@johncronin9540 agreed
Prolly one of the cringiest lines was "There is a tempest in me..."
The way in which that line was delivered was so cringe-inducing that I found myself speculating about who's idea it was, and, whether they, growing up, were used to getting their way.
@@ro4eva It is evident that they never grew up.
I have a feeling the person writing that also wears all-dark clothes, constantly mutters random profound-sounding phrases and screams out their special abilities on a daily basis
@@man5262 You are most probably 120% correct.
It was taken from a Cate Blanchett movie, Elizabeth? When you said a hurricane instead, but in a well done scene, with drama and more to say with it..
don't forget the scene where galadriel gets the horse to go faster by "noro lim"ing at it like arwen did in fellowship
At least they knew Asfaloth was the horse and not just another word that they had to copypasta.
Because it means "run swift". That's not stealing from another script, that's using an in-universe language. It's like complaining every movie made in English is ripping off the first one because they all use the word "the".
@@plebisMaximus No, they obviously were copying the scene. I mean the chase, the music, the forest. And I don't remember any other scene with elvish language..
That's actually just consistency.
@@BondsProduction Yes, this. I also don't recall much other usage of the elvish languages in the show. Elendil spoke more elvish than the actual elves did, iirc (though I'm not going to watch it again to verify), which is why this particular line kind of jumps out at you. I'm not trying to discount that "noro lim" means "run swift." I know that--but the words can mean the same thing and still be a reference to Arwen's line in Fellowship.
This is amazing, those writers have no talent they really stole from PJ movies!
The woke mind virus is debilitating disease you can't expect the people with affliction to come up with original work.
Its the JJ Abrams approach. Just redo a bunch of things that were popular in the past, but with more mystery boxes.
@@Janx14 new mystery box on the table now. are they all gonna be fired or just some of them. they are gonna reboot season 1 for sure. the damage done is beyond their fixing ability, it needs peter jackson medicine. this is how you steel from LOTR movies.
yes they have talent :)
Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.
The Amazon showrunners were 'inspired' by the Jackson movies, but unlike Peter Jackson, they had no genuine respect for, or understanding of Tolkien's actual written works. And it absolutely shows.
And the way they ripped off the movies was so absolutely obvious. Though they did twist everything, people , events, canon, so that they'd be 'different'. Or more likely to turn Tolkien's creation into something more suited to their tastes. (AmazonGaladriel x Sauron.... WTF!?)
In RoP's case, they managed to mangle the canon into something utterly and irreversibly unrecognisable..
In other words, they're basically blaggers who's speciality seems to be cut-and-pasting (and inverting) other people's work.
"Your honor, I did not steal the till, I was just inspired by it contence."
Hi, just to let you know that Peter Jackson copied scenes from The Ralph Bakshi 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings".
The scene where the hobbits are hiding under the over hang root of a tree in the encounter with the Nazgul (before they leave the Shire) is not in the books.
It was, however, in the Ralph Bakshi "Lord of the Rings". And Peter Jackson took that scene from Bakshi's film.
Another scene is when the Nazgul enter the hobbits room at the Prancing Pony and start slashing up the beds. That scene as an action scene is not in the books. But it is a scene from the Bakshi film. Peter Jackson took that scene from the Bakshi film and put it into the "Fellowship of the Rings".
Is Peter Jackson bad for doing this? No. This is what filmmakers do. Films often reference other films all the time. Films reference artworks all the time.
@@gaebren9021 I remember watching Bakshi's LOTR. To be honest, I'm kind of glad Jackson used some of those scenes. I actually liked those. I'd forgotten they weren't in the books.
Jackson did certain things that, at the time I'd wished he'd done otherwise, or he missed out on things I'd wanted to see. But that would have required more movies than we got, when you actually think about it.
Ultimately, though, Jackson approached the Lord of the Rings movies as a fan with a genuine understanding of and respect for Tolkien's work.
The Amazon showrunners had the exact opposite attitude..And it shows.
They also seem to be using bits and pieces of a bad D&D script, ripping off Shakespeare (the three witches, MacBeth, Romeo and Juliet (and I've got the feeling they've been TRYING to use the Bard's work as a source of 'old school' English language,)) , and reusing variations of entire chunks of the Jackson movies (really badly) - which they said they'd wanted nothing to do with. (RoP's 'anti-Helm's Deep' is just ridiculous. They seem to have thought that doing the exact opposite of what Theoden and his people might have made it seem more 'original'. But they essentially did the equivalent of the Rohirrim blowing up Helm's Deep themselves and then waiting at the bottom of a hill waiting for the Orcs to come charging down.
What's makes it funny is that Amazon's people have actually come out and criticised Jackson's movies, basically suggesting that THEY'D do better.
Of course, they DID (sort of) make 'improvements', too, like Galadriel doing acrobatics on her horse (not sure why) like a more advanced version of Legolas's trick..)
They claimed they'd write 'the book that Tolkien never wrote'. But I'm getting the impression they really just wanted an AmazonGaladriel x Sauron 'romance' and just shoving all this other stuff in, either to make it fit, or as a shield against criticism.
To be fair, though, if the Amazon showrunners had Jackson's attitude towards Tolkien's work (and were more competent) , I might have been forgiving..
@@gaebren9021
DON'T TRY TO DEFEND AMAZON'S TRASHFIRE!
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 I am a free agent. I can do what I like. Say what I like. Free speech, remember.
"There's evil there, that does not sleep..." - Epic
"Evil dos not sleep, IT WAITS". - A Chuck Norris Joke.
that is an insult to chuck norris jokes
2:20
"No common ranger" makes perfect sense.
"No common ruler" makes ZERO SENSE, especially not in that context. What exactly is a "common ruler?"' Rulers aren't common EVER. But if there was a special one, it sure wouldn't be the ruler of the bloody southlands, that are according to the show, what? A 100 people at best?
These people fail at basic understanding of words.
Also, the difference in quality of actors is just crushing, once you put the two side by side.
It's "brawler" not "ruler"
So they never contacted Jackson again and did this.
They took tempest speech from hurricane speech in Elizabeth. And Elizabeth armor too.
As someone who's English is not the main language, the difference between good writing and terrible writing is the fact that one is understandable with ease while the other is hard because it was written by people with an academic level of english
They believe using as many niche expressions and complex words as possible makes them smarter and forget that the whole point of communication is to be heard and understood
When he said "it is beyond our skill to destroy," I immediately heard Aragorn say "this is beyond my skill to heal."
Me too!
I’ve only watched reviews of rings of power because they’re hilarious and I love the failure. But I did recently go back and rewatch the Fellowship of the Ring just because it’s such a great movie and I can’t tell you how many things I saw and were said that we’re nearly identical to Clips from rings of power. You’re correct they absolutely copied it thinking no one would notice but that just shows how clueless they are.
They were supposed to be nostalgic call-backs for LotR fans, but Payne tacked on so many that it does feel like a crutch used when they couldn’t conjure up anything original
@@austingoyne3039 Totally. Easter eggs are supposed to be hidden and scattered. Few and far between but not the main freaking script.
@@thomasjefferson2676 scattered indeed they were, as if someone tried to hide them throwing them from a ten story building.
Hi, just to let you know that Peter Jackson copied scenes from The Ralph Bakshi 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings".
The scene where the hobbits are hiding under the over hang root of a tree in the encounter with the Nazgul (before they leave the Shire) is not in the books.
It was, however, in the Ralph Bakshi "Lord of the Rings". And Peter Jackson took that scene from Bakshi's film.
Another scene is when the Nazgul enter the hobbits room at the Prancing Pony and start slashing up the beds. That scene as an action scene is not in the books. But it is a scene from the Bakshi film. Peter Jackson took that scene from the Bakshi film and put it into the "Fellowship of the Rings".
Is Peter Jackson bad for doing this? No. This is what filmmakers do. Films often reference other films all the time. Films reference artworks all the time.
@gaebren9021 you only pointed out two examples compared to the many that Rings of power copied. Also no one said it was bad to copy some things they are just saying that they overdo it to where they try to rely on what LOTR did so wonderfully rather than have there own identity.
When they kept saying 'we went back to the books' they meant films.
To have the rights to almost the entirety of the second age and still mess up this badly is concerning.
The showrunners might be related to Amber Heard.
In a world where people starting to believe that money is everything, Amazon proved it wrong. Money is not everything. Props to Amazon ig 👏
McDonald's - What they advertise: Lord of the Onion Rings
McDonald's - What you get: Onion Rings of power
i'm a simple man. i see ranting videos about RoP, i press like.
🤣 nice to see you here :) I m the same in this - I love that kind of vids. Usualy I m very balanced in my criticism of movies. But this was smt on another level of shameless, disgusting vandalism and so I have no mercy in me 🤣
"It's like poetry. They Rhyme..." - J.R.R. Lucas
To add: *Aragorn gets saved by Brego, Isildur will be saved by ,,Berrick''
Touché with that final image. Touché. Ouch
Comparing with Rings of Power, I feel nothing elvish in this show. They'll look humans.
A show called Dark Crystal Age of Resistance the prequel to Dark Crystal 1982 felt more elvish than Broke of power despite being played by puppets, the Skeksis the main villain faction has more personality and elegance than failbrand and Guy-ladriel.
2:40 the line is actually stolen from a movie with Cate Blanchett lmao, they really didnt look far
You completely missed the most egregious RoP off, Grrrladriel and The Kid hiding fin the orcs (like the hobbits from the Nazgul) under the tree.. complete with sniffing!
Because that scene that Peter Jackson did of the Hobbits hiding from the Nazgul is copied from the Ralph Bakshi 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings". In fact Peter Jackson copied a few of the scenes out of Bakshi's film. The Raid on the Prancing Pony is another one I believe Peter Jackson copied.
What have we done that we deserve another D&D?!
It's so funny how hard they try to jumble up the order of, or completely change, lines from the originals while at the same time sounding so impossibly amateur. God this show sucks lol
Incredible how the RoP scenes look even more stupid when contrasted with the PJ movies, and they were record breaking cringe to begin with.
Oh god the delivery on that last Gandalf line is catastrophic
you know, Peter Jackson couldn’t quite do J.R.R. Tolkien‘s work justice. But you know what it had? Love, care and at least some understanding for Tolkien‘s work. Almost as if they knew they couldn’t do it justice but did their damnedest to try. And that’s why people give such leeway to the Jackson films even though they don’t perfectly made it match the books. You can tell there is a reverence there. I mean if you truly want to experience Tolkien stories read the books.
That's why it's called an adaptation. Tolkien's work was adapted, not copied, for the Jackson films. They made their own version of the story and did a damn good job with it. It's literally impossible to convey the same feelings, themes and stories exactly in a film as you do in a book, nobody's "giving leeway" to the Jackson films, most of us just understand that it's a different medium and therefore won't give the same experience as reading the books. Peter Jackson did Tolkien's work justice by letting it be its own thing and trying to make some top tier movies with the same overall story and themes that very obviously impacted him when he read the books. The worst thing you can do when adapting a story is trying to make it 1:1.
@@plebisMaximus why
@@plebisMaximus He delivered an outstanding version for a *_mainstream_* movie retelling, but Tolkien wouldn't find it doing justice when some parts directly go against his intention. It's a trilogy that did 80% of the original work justice at most, and that's ok.
The movies got the overall themes right, but they also changed a lot of others. Like Gandalf murdering Denethor without giving af and Aragorn beheading the Mouth of Sauron goes so jarringly against the theme of sparing and having mercy on even the foulest enemies, especially when it's also established in the first 2 movies through Gandalf/Gollum and Aragorn/Grima.
Frodo and Sam were a balanced duo, but the movies skew so much towards Sam that many moviegoers find Frodo worthless. It knocked off the group's balance and the point of their arcs. Gollum's betrayal was to convey Tolkien's philosophy that having mercy on enemies was wise (Frodo's actions), and Sam's narrowmindedness was what caused the tragedy and prevented Gollum's redemption. But the movie flips it around by making Frodo the gullible wrong one about Gollum while Sam becomes right.
Merry and Pippin became comic relief, nuff said. The centerpoint of the story and major growth went from the Hobbits to Aragorn. Aragorn was given a character arc, when he's meant to represent a static mythological hero. Yet the Hobbits became a lot more 1 dimensional. There's still a lot more that is contrary to the themes of Tolkien's work that's too long to type
Yes, exactly. Jackson's Ring is a big screen, mainstream adaptation of the books that truly works as cinema. The books transport you to the world of Tolkien's imagination, which is something else entirely.
@@MisterRose90 I think trying to make a 1:1 replication between cinema and literature is bad because because 1) it's not possible and 2) you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
It's not possible because a book has just too much content, plots, subplots, descriptions, characters, interactions and "side quests" to fit into a 2, 3, or even 4 hour movie. It takes days to read even the best book. I read The Hunger Games in a single day and, while I was clearly hooked because I read it in a day, I had no desire to read and still to this day haven't read the sequels because I burned myself out from reading the first one within 24 hours. Novels are meant to be read over many sessions so to try to get all that material into something that is supposed to be digested in one sitting of a few hours... it's simply not possible to do a 1:1.
You're damned if you do and damned if you don't because, if you don't create a 1:1 if that's your goal, people are going to recognize that and call it out. I was pretty young when the Lord of the Rings movies started coming out (a quick google search showed I was 6 when FotR released) but I remember die hard enthusiasts were disappointed that there was no Tom Bombadil. If I remember correctly, Peter Jackson spoke on that and said they wanted to include it but the movie was so long already and the whole Bombadil arc felt more "side-questy" than an actual part of the overall plot so they ended up cutting that part of the story out altogether for the movie to save on time and cost. Over time people kind of forgave and forgot but it was definitely called out at the time. And if you DO manage to pull off a perfect recreation, I think people wouldn't like that either because then people will say nothing about it is original and the director would just be copying the work already established, but I suppose I've never seen a perfect 1:1 recreation of a literary work on screen. I think the most you can do is try to do the original work justice by trying to adapt your story to align as best as possible with the literature.
The second point is interesting because I'm very much looking forward to the Last of Us tv show that will be coming out on HBO and they've discussed that the plot will pretty much follow the plot of the first game, so I'm curious to see how closely they follow it and how well it will be received.
I challenge anyone to name a SINGLE heroic thing Galadriel did in the entire show.
Well, she successfully tanked a pyroclastic flow with her face, and not even a first-degree burn was sustained in the process. The flow on said occasion was more than unbearable -- it was damn deadly. And that rabbid-squirrel-scowling elf was so _not_ harmed that she may as well have phased out of the way.
In the background, Mount Doom should be heard saying, "Bitch please."
@@ro4eva and let's not start with the fact it's not just a volcano but one of Morgoth's creations and the only place that could melt the one ring.
bitch please" before accurately spewing a big pyroclast and bonking her in the head, saving middle earth from Galadrieln't would've been a good ending
She brought down Amazon.
@@eagletrigger Eh, more like shot it in the foot.
@@eagletrigger 👏 noicee
oh god was hoping to never have to see the tempest in me scene ever again....along with much else of this show....
Watching Rings of power gave me the same feeling that The last jedi gave me; I was disgusted..
Ya know, now that you mention it, so was I.
I do indeed wish 'The Last Jedi' was never produced.
To be fair, they haven't had the eagles fly in to save the day in a battle...yet
In addition to the surprising amount of scenes you have found I got a few additions: The hobbits hiding from nazgul is copied when Galadriel and Theo hide from the orcs, the noro lim scene (when fleeing from the nazgul), the death of the elve leader when he climbs out the "trench" is similar to Boromirs death, elrond waiting in the tree is similar to frodo waiting for Gandalf in a tree and Galadriels arrival in the southlands is similar to Gandalfs arrival at the helms deep battle
Edit: Remembered some more, I will probably keep adding more later:
The snow troll scene is stolen entirely from lotr, ice wall climbing is stolen from game of thrones,
Galariel deciding which way to go "the air is colder around here" is stolen from Gandalf deciding which way to go in Moria "the air smells foul", the fight between "The Stranger" and female eminem is basically Gandalf vs Saroman, the shot before the battle in episode 6 where people are afraid and baby is crying is similar to scene in helms deep battle and finally the fight between Arondir and the orc is stolen from the Hobbit's scene Legolas vs white orc
And you could also point out the general parallels between the characters like frodo, Sam and the harfoot duo or the similar elve-human-lovestory in both.
Feel free to add more :)
Basicly the only thing they did not steal were those lines like : "The sea is always right"
Also the scene where Gandalf is leading the charge on Shadowfax down the steep hill mirrors the arrival of the Númenórean army in the Southlands/Mordor. Even to the extent that they were laughably inconsistent with lighting. Had to have the sun behind them just like Two Towers even though the sun doesn't rise in the west. But they don't know how maps work either so...
The Hobbits hiding from the Nazgul in the Peter Jackson film is copied from the Hobbits hiding from the Nazgul in the Ralph Bakshi 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings". Peter Jackson totally lifted that scene from that 1978 film. He also lifted other scenes from that film. The Nazgul raid at the Prancing Pony is one. Coming out of the Mines of Moria I believe is another.
@@gaebren9021 Maybe these scenes in the JP movies and the Bakshi movie look so like eachother because they derived fom the same text in the same books, books I recommend reading.
A kind of different situation as lifting scenes from one succesful movie for another without any base in an existing story.
And when there is a story in the RoP it basicly seems to have the actors run from one lifted scene to anothe lifed scene.
@@gaebren9021 yeah thats kind of the thing: if you steal it you only get away with it if you do a better job than the original
I feel so sorry for the great actors who were coaxed into acting in this hot mess of a show. They thought they were going to be a part of the Tolkien univerise like Viggo, Orlando, Liv and the like before them. Instead they were given a turd and asked to turn it into diamonds.
considering the way said actors act on media, they probably couldn't tell a diamond apart from a lump of coal if you put it before them.
I do not feel sorry, because those actors turn out to be leftist lunatics that are proud of taking part in the destruction of Tolkien his work.
Those two Dumb and Dumber
Quoting or alluding to moments from the trilogy isn’t the problem. It’s a problem because they didn’t manage to build a strong enough firmament on their own.
shut up..dont make it sound like they know what they are doing..they are blind fools stumbling in the dark..you know nothing
Yes. In a better show, these might have made fun call backs (except for the tempest line. It will never not sound cringe.).
But this isn't a better show. This is what is left floating around the bowl after Tolkien finishes using the loo.
@@eagletrigger It’s a show by showrunners who overestimate their own story crafting skills to the detriment of all the admittedly great people (directors, cast) involved in the show.
The most blatant one I found was Galadriel deciding which way to go based on „it‘s colder here“, reminding me very strongly of Gandalf choosing which way to go in Moria „the air is less foul here“. I felt like it was a very obvious attempt at fan-servicing.
The worst for me is them stealing the story of Beren and Lúthien, the love story based directly on Tolkien and his wife Edith, and shamelessly repurposed it as Galadriel's backstory, basically saying Beren and Lúthien never existed in media canon.
Tolkien and Edith have Beren and Lúthien engraved on thier very tombstones, an eternal sign of thier love.
It is one of the most precious stories to Tolkien, personally, and they freaking stole it and erased its legacy.
Yeah, it sounds like you haven't watch the show. 😕
They did a moment of slow Mo at the Hobbit goodbye mimicking the "and I'm coming with you". They swirled 'not gandalf' around and yeeted him like saruman will do in FotR
There were all kinds of little things too. When the Ents flood Orthanc, there is a shot of miniatures flooding that is almost created exactly when the tunnels or whatever, were flooding the volcano. Even typing that last part sounds ridiculous, and they made a show based on it..Gees.
The horse whispering comparison made me laugh it was so bad... Emotive and seductive elvish vs 'No... you are going home' ... I shall try it next time my dog launches after a squirrel.
Min 2 : 41, the line " there is a tempest in me " reminds me about the scene "I, too can command the wind, sir!" from Elizabeth: The Golden Age , by the same Cate Blanchett.
I suspect, that in their minds, these are deliberate "throwbacks" or "homages" to the original. Doesn't make it any less comical, though.
When I saw "the Jackson movies"I thought about Percy Jackson... took me a while to realize 😅
Thank you for doing this, I saw all these but seeing them side by side makes it clear how much they ripped off the masterpiece.
I have never been this happy to have NOT watched a single minute of a series!
My applause to the brave ones who took the bullet to entertain people like me with their endlessly entertaining observations on RUclips.
Actually it wasn't as bad as people are making it out to be. A lot of these video's are hyperbole. The series had some writing problems but other than that it was OK. In fact I thought it was good. It held my attention and I enjoyed watching it.
The series is very bold and that I think is an issue with people. Particularly people making the videos you have been watching. Many of these people want something nice and safe. Peter Jackson type stuff so when they see something that challenges them they get agitated. As you can tell by the video's.
Bit of a shame really. My friend and I were talking about this very thing in relation to music. The reason music from the 60's 70's 80's and 90's was successful was due to it's innovation. It was bold, innovative and pushed boundaries. experimental. Rings of Power is very much like this. Willing to take risks.
Peter Jackson made some really good films. Notice in his films there are a lot of fight, action, scenes, cause that is what sells. As a film maker, Peter Jackson films are often action based. If you read Tolkien you will notice that there is a lot of slow paced narrative in the books. Tolkien will take the time to describe a woodland, a landscape etc. "Rings of Power" and Bakshi's 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings" reflects this (Tolkien's pacing and world building) much better than Peter Jackson who is, well, action based. Again, this is just Jackson's style and not a criticism towards him.
Interestingly, Peter Jackson also coped a lot of hostility from Tolkien fans when "The Fellowship of the Ring" came out. Much in the same vane as what "Rings of Power" is coping.
I just noticed how much the PJ films use the soundtrack- it’s masterful man
Rings of Power would never work as a sleep ASMR. I would get too angry and start yelling abuse at my screen.
Thank you for pointing out all this! Its bad writing and dang near plagiarism.
The horse made my eyes roll so hard.
Fantastic job on this video! There is absolutely no subtlety in ROP to begin with, but they also had to steal lines from LOTR?
I've seen many comments throughout episode reviews where people say "that scene where [whatever happens] reminds me of [name of video game, movie or show]" so they also copied quite a bit of that. I have seen the same criticisms for the show Kenobi.
I hope this video gets thousands of views. "Tens of thousands," says Saruman.
I can copy, too! I'll put this on my résumé when I apply to write season three 😂
You have the same voice as the Missing Enigma. Is it a paid voice actor or are you running both channels?
You made me wanting to watch Lotr 10000 time more.
God it’s like someone opened a dumpster with a body inside and said “ah the miracle of birth”
But the best quote that perfectly sums up this atrocity “evil cannot create, only destroy and disfigure”
Oof. Damning evidence. Thank you for the side-by-side comps.
They didn't even want to do Tolkien's LOTR, they clearly wanted to do Jackson's LOTR. That's what happens with Jar Jar Abraham's company men...
1. There is a scene in ROP when a guy is shot by arrows - same as Boromir ib LOTR.
2. The introduction to Elrond character showing him writting something in a peaceful and leisurely way. It reminds me of the start of LOTR when Frodo meets Gandalf.
Sorry I can't explain more about the ROP scenes above. I didn't watch the show but I saw some clips.
Good God when you played them back to back like this it really is pathetic.
The "there is a tempest in me" speech, I think, is derivative of "there is a hurricane in me" speech in Elizabeth: the Golden Age. I don't think the duo limited their borrowing to Peter Jackson.
I mean, they were trying to connect them as a tribute, and an ongoing theme.
It didn't work. But they weren't just copying for the sake of cheating.
They were lazy writers.
lol yes they fuckn were! they stole Tolkien amd the ripped off jackson...you know nothing
Yeah, agreed. This video is really stretching with some of these examples. Do they pillage from older sayings sometimes? Sure, but so does Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.etc. Doesn't make it right, but hardly a unique issue with this now Amazon show.
@@5150bwagner actually it is an issue, and it's complete dog shit just like the rest of this show
@@5150bwagner It's not a unique issue to RoP, I don't think anyone's claiming that. But it is the topic right now because of how badly it was done, alongside other egregious flaws of the show.
Even the soundtrack in the “I will cut it part” sounds similar. Shameful, really
Rings of power looks like one of those "AI art" trying to make an entire new LotR movie based on a few pages from the books.
02:39 "There is a tempest in me" is lifted from 'Elizabeth: The Golden Age'.
welp, I have to watch the LOTR again.
thanks a lot.
I imagine the creators while filming the "Nose-scene" with hobo gandalf that they thought the crowd would go wild with cheer and applause like in that meme with the flatscreen in the bar.
But in reality they just go: 🤦🏻♂️
That first Galadriel from LotR scene gave shivers down my spine.
Actually the phrase, textually: 'Evil does not sleep. It waits' was, every word, said by an Amazon queen in the Justice League movies. It isn't just similar, it's the exact same
Ah, finally someone made this
I only got two episodes in, but had the distinct impression that the writers of the series had watched the movies and simply had someone (unsuccessfully) explain the Silmarillion to them.
Thank you so much for making this, this is my number one reason for despising RoP and most modern “resurrections” of beloved franchises. Don’t forget Galadriel and Theo hiding under the tree from the orcs copying the hobbits hiding from the Nazgûl in The Fellowship.
Hi, just to let you know that Peter Jackson copied scenes from The Ralph Bakshi 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings".
The scene where the hobbits are hiding under the over hang root of a tree in the encounter with the Nazgul (before they leave the Shire) is not in the books.
It was, however, in the Ralph Bakshi "Lord of the Rings". And Peter Jackson took that scene from Bakshi's film.
Another scene is when the Nazgul enter the hobbits room at the Prancing Pony and start slashing up the beds. That scene as an action scene is not in the books. But it is a scene from the Bakshi film. Peter Jackson took that scene from the Bakshi film and put it into the "Fellowship of the Rings".
Is Peter Jackson bad for doing this? No. This is what filmmakers do. Films often reference other films all the time. Films reference artworks all the time.
Add to this Orodruin scene, when water falls to lava and scene, when Balrog and Gandalf are falling tho the lake.
They steal Boromir's line, "What new devilry is this?"
It's so weird how I can see small out of context clips from the Jackson trilogy and feel that rush of nostalgic joy from just a few seconds. And then the ROP comes and it feels like I'm watching a porn parody.
EDIT: OH GOD THAT GANDALF BIT MADE ME SO FUCKING MAD. Gandalf isn't even in Middle Earth in the Second Age.
Bro, do you also run The Missing Enigma channel?
Shows that these writers were lazy and can't string a dialogue to save their lives.
You missed the part where the elf says what devilry is this in the ice cave.
I wouldn’t even be mad at the last one if it fitted so well that you grin by remembering gandalfs quote… but it just doesn’t 🤷♂️
This man sounds like the narrator\investigator that looks at missing persons cases on another channel
Wow this really shows how unimportant this TV show is. Frodos live changing sentence that defines the live of millions of innocent beings : I will take it A giant burden he takes to help innocent people and destroy the pure evil on earth. VS. I will cut it down..... he cuts down a tree. Wow.
wasn't that glimpse of the balrog the exact same one from Jackson's movies?
You'd have to take this up with Tolkien himself since he was the one who repeated these themes from the First Age into the Second and then the Third Age. He was the one who used the same ideas over and over.
Yes, thank you. Nobody else seems to understand this.
You seem to not understand the problem here.
Either of you two hacksters
The problem is not that the parallels EXIST. It’s the fact that these things are being done as corporate hack “fan service” whilst Amazon is wearing around our beloved franchise as a fucking skinsuit.
But this is too complex a topic for your tiny brains to handle. “Oh, look, shiny!” “Thing I recognize, is good!” “A doggy!”
@@StarWarsomania So we're the idiots who can't understand nuance and complexity because we're capable of recognizing a theme? You do know running headfirst at a brick wall isn't a good way to start your day, right?
Baha he hits that sword hilt with a tiny blacksmiths hammer, fails and says it’s beyond their ability to destroy. At least when gimli goes to destroy it he uses a huge axe and it basically explodes, followed with some exposition
At last someone's finally said something about the blatant plagiarism in this trainwreck of a show, Amazon really should be sued for it.
Hi, just to let you know that Peter Jackson copied scenes from The Ralph Bakshi 1978 animated "Lord of the Rings".
The scene where the hobbits are hiding under the over hang root of a tree in the encounter with the Nazgul (before they leave the Shire) is not in the books.
It was, however, in the Ralph Bakshi "Lord of the Rings". And Peter Jackson took that scene from Bakshi's film.
Another scene is when the Nazgul enter the hobbits room at the Prancing Pony and start slashing up the beds. That scene as an action scene is not in the books. But it is a scene from the Bakshi film. Peter Jackson took that scene from the Bakshi film and put it into the "Fellowship of the Rings".
Is Peter Jackson bad for doing this? No. This is what filmmakers do. Films often reference other films all the time. Films reference artworks all the time.
I want to erase my memory, erase the ROP and rewatch LOTR as I've watched it for the first time. And then rewatch the extended cut like I watched it for the first time. Why does it have to be like this 😭 Why did they disfigure this work of art...