I wish I had seen this six months ago. Would have saved me some money. As it happens I stuck the SUPwinder on my inflatable SUP (and it is still stuck on OK today, so I do not know why they say only hard SUPs). But go the cheapest way is my recommendation, because once you have been out on the SUP with a wing a time or two, you will be hell-bent on getting your wingfoil board. I only used my SUP twice, so the SUPwinder was an expensive exercise. Flying a windfoil is the most awesome thing. And I didn't start till age 65!
@Psychic Junkie : The SUPWnder seems more like a rudder/keel, as opposed to these traditional-style fins. Will it help with going upwind for beginner Winging the same way? Also, based on your experience, what would be your suggestion about skipping the SUP phase altogether?
@@raghuram2815 Yes, the SUPwinder will make it easy to go upwind. Not much chance of winging upwind on a SUP without one. It will make the learning curve easier, but it will not be needed for long. I would strongly recommend getting a lesson or two from a local wingfoil school if there is one in your area.
@@psychicjunkie there isn't really a wing Foil school in our area but there are Kite schools. However, I'm planning to learn Wing Foiling myself since I'm an intermediate kitesurfer myself.
Hi man. Can you explain a bit more what is the cheapest way and how you would have done it differently? I'm about to stick a detachable fin on my sup as a center board. Would you recommend something better? Thanks
Thanks for this very helpful, taught heaps of friends on my converted inflatable sup. For others searching from New Zealand, the glue is 'Bostik 999 HR' and the additive is 'Bostik Desmodur RFE'.
Hey Sam, thanks for taking the time to post this. Tried your setup using plumbing aisle clear pvc cement. Was a mess to do and because my fin went right opposite the carry strap it was hard to squish things flat while they bonded. Still, held strong and worked as intended. Question - when you look at the difference between a typical fin shape and the shape of the SUP Winder do you think the larger centreboard would be a significant boost in drift prevention?
Hi all, I am new ti this channel and to the wing sup as well. I want to know how difficult it would be to navigate the inflatable SUP without a big daggerboard in the middle of the board? I just bought a SUP without a middle fin and I don't want to convert it due to warranty. Woulld it be rough to sail on it with a wing?
Thanks for the video Sam. The Slingshot SUPWinder is more of a proper rudder/keel though. Will having a traditional-shape fin in the center still have the same effect of going upwind? These fins we are finding in Amazon (with the attachable fin box) are only 8.66 inches in length. Wonder if anyone knows how long the SUPWinder is? I couldn't find that info anywhere online.
You could put a weight on it while hardening. Not pressing it by hand because you will always make thiny movements which can cause pover result. I am not quite sure if the prefab middle vin boards have may be in the interior a special construction to catch up with the forces of the vin being there.
Hey man, Nice info you convinced me to start. From your experience, what size wing do you think would be good to practice on a SUP and transition to a foil? I'm 5'11 70kg. Intermediate surfer.
Thx Sam I used the Supwinder on an inflatable and it stuck on ok. The instructions called for a specific distance from the aft end of the board. This proved to be way too far back with the result that the board wanted to head downwind all the time
Hi Ben Apologies for the delay in replying, I was out of the office on fire marshal training. Tradegrip PVC is designed for bonding exactly these types of materials. The adhesive is highly resistant to plasticiser migration which is important when trying to form successful bonds on flexible PVC and vinyl materials. Flexible plastics such as PVC and vinyl contain a lot of plasticiser. Plasticisers are commonly added to polyvinyl chloride (PVC), which otherwise is hard and brittle, to make it soft and pliable. Generally contact adhesives do not have resistance to plasticiser migration and what happens is slowly over time the plasticiser leeches from the substrate into the glue line, causing the bond to become soft and eventually fail. The curing agent in the video is Tradecure PVC, this is an isocyanate crosslinking agent for use with the PVC adhesive. On its own the adhesive can adequately bond flexible PVC and vinyl for patch repairs in tents, marquees, water-walkers etc, but with the addition of the curing agent you get a bond with much higher durability including increased resistance to plasticisers, oil, petrol, sea water, etc. If a bond line is going to be submerged in water the it is recommended to use Tradecure PVC with the adhesive. More information on cross linking can be found here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-link Most of the time when using contact adhesives in a marine application it is recommended to use 2 coats. The first coat is used as a priming coat and provides an additional barrier to prevent plasticiser migration, this should be allowed to fully dry before applying a second coating. The only other thing worth mentioning is that while the person in this video made a suitable bond, we would not recommend applying the curing agent drop-wise into the adhesive as he did in his demonstration. Usually the curing agent should be added to the adhesive while it is still in the tin and thoroughly mixed until a uniform colour is achieved, then the mixed adhesive can be painted onto the substrates to be bonded. The way it is mixed in the video does not really allow for the adhesive and crosslinking agent to be mixed in the correct ratio. We can supply this product in a 250ml set for smaller patch repairs, the product shown on youtube is a 1 Litre set.
I hope this information is of use. Kind regards Jon Potts Trade Grade Products Ltd The Glue People 01202 820177
Hi, I got the same fin/box as you from AliExpress. I went with industrial velcro and lost the finbox After 10 min in the water. How has your glue been holding up?
Quick question - Is it the centre of the board from tip to tail of the board itself or did you do it in the center between the back fin and the front of the board? - It kinda looked a bit more "forward" than I was expecting! Might have to give this a go!!
Nice. But why not buy a second-hand antique windsurfer with a real middle box instead? Then you can adjust the keel-sword on the go, and use it with a mast/sail too.
Sam's best videos were kitesurfing. EPIC downwinders, jumps, laps of Islands. Now reduced to your boat videos and what I found was the most boring thing I ever learnt. Wing foiling. If I want yachting ill watch yachting channels, and I do follow Alex Thomson.love his videos. Thanks Sam, total respect but im unsubscribing. I love kitesurfing !!!
I wish I had seen this six months ago. Would have saved me some money. As it happens I stuck the SUPwinder on my inflatable SUP (and it is still stuck on OK today, so I do not know why they say only hard SUPs). But go the cheapest way is my recommendation, because once you have been out on the SUP with a wing a time or two, you will be hell-bent on getting your wingfoil board. I only used my SUP twice, so the SUPwinder was an expensive exercise. Flying a windfoil is the most awesome thing. And I didn't start till age 65!
@Psychic Junkie : The SUPWnder seems more like a rudder/keel, as opposed to these traditional-style fins. Will it help with going upwind for beginner Winging the same way?
Also, based on your experience, what would be your suggestion about skipping the SUP phase altogether?
@@raghuram2815 Yes, the SUPwinder will make it easy to go upwind. Not much chance of winging upwind on a SUP without one. It will make the learning curve easier, but it will not be needed for long. I would strongly recommend getting a lesson or two from a local wingfoil school if there is one in your area.
@@psychicjunkie there isn't really a wing Foil school in our area but there are Kite schools. However, I'm planning to learn Wing Foiling myself since I'm an intermediate kitesurfer myself.
@@raghuram2815 Cool. Actually it is usually the Kite Schools who are teaching wing-foil. Good luck with it all. :-)
Hi man. Can you explain a bit more what is the cheapest way and how you would have done it differently? I'm about to stick a detachable fin on my sup as a center board. Would you recommend something better? Thanks
Thanks for this very helpful, taught heaps of friends on my converted inflatable sup. For others searching from New Zealand, the glue is 'Bostik 999 HR' and the additive is 'Bostik Desmodur RFE'.
Love the CBK logo :) , Chris should pay you a commission for it .
Could you please share the link or the name of the additive you used?
Name of link to the glue would be highly appreciated too!
Hey Sam, thanks for taking the time to post this. Tried your setup using plumbing aisle clear pvc cement. Was a mess to do and because my fin went right opposite the carry strap it was hard to squish things flat while they bonded. Still, held strong and worked as intended. Question - when you look at the difference between a typical fin shape and the shape of the SUP Winder do you think the larger centreboard would be a significant boost in drift prevention?
Hi all, I am new ti this channel and to the wing sup as well. I want to know how difficult it would be to navigate the inflatable SUP without a big daggerboard in the middle of the board? I just bought a SUP without a middle fin and I don't want to convert it due to warranty. Woulld it be rough to sail on it with a wing?
Thanks for the video Sam. The Slingshot SUPWinder is more of a proper rudder/keel though. Will having a traditional-shape fin in the center still have the same effect of going upwind? These fins we are finding in Amazon (with the attachable fin box) are only 8.66 inches in length. Wonder if anyone knows how long the SUPWinder is? I couldn't find that info anywhere online.
I use the Add-On Drift Stopper on my inflatable when using the wing. It's about 100€ and is attached to the board with a strap.
Where did u buy?
I want to get into this sport. Thanks for another great video 🤙
You could put a weight on it while hardening. Not pressing it by hand because you will always make thiny movements which can cause pover result. I am not quite sure if the prefab middle vin boards have may be in the interior a special construction to catch up with the forces of the vin being there.
Hey man,
Nice info you convinced me to start. From your experience, what size wing do you think would be good to practice on a SUP and transition to a foil? I'm 5'11 70kg. Intermediate surfer.
Thx Sam
I used the Supwinder on an inflatable and it stuck on ok. The instructions called for a specific distance from the aft end of the board. This proved to be way too far back with the result that the board wanted to head downwind all the time
thats good to know, did you find the optimal position?
Hi Sam. Did it work as intended and help you stay upwind better (as well as stay attached). What was the additive you used?
Hey Ben, yes it works really well, you HAVE to have the centre fin otherwise it doesn't work and you just go straight downwind
Hi Ben
Apologies for the delay in replying, I was out of the office on fire marshal training.
Tradegrip PVC is designed for bonding exactly these types of materials. The adhesive is highly resistant to plasticiser migration which is important when trying to form successful bonds on flexible PVC and vinyl materials. Flexible plastics such as PVC and vinyl contain a lot of plasticiser. Plasticisers are commonly added to polyvinyl chloride (PVC), which otherwise is hard and brittle, to make it soft and pliable. Generally contact adhesives do not have resistance to plasticiser migration and what happens is slowly over time the plasticiser leeches from the substrate into the glue line, causing the bond to become soft and eventually fail.
The curing agent in the video is Tradecure PVC, this is an isocyanate crosslinking agent for use with the PVC adhesive. On its own the adhesive can adequately bond flexible PVC and vinyl for patch repairs in tents, marquees, water-walkers etc, but with the addition of the curing agent you get a bond with much higher durability including increased resistance to plasticisers, oil, petrol, sea water, etc. If a bond line is going to be submerged in water the it is recommended to use Tradecure PVC with the adhesive.
More information on cross linking can be found here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-link
Most of the time when using contact adhesives in a marine application it is recommended to use 2 coats. The first coat is used as a priming coat and provides an additional barrier to prevent plasticiser migration, this should be allowed to fully dry before applying a second coating.
The only other thing worth mentioning is that while the person in this video made a suitable bond, we would not recommend applying the curing agent drop-wise into the adhesive as he did in his demonstration. Usually the curing agent should be added to the adhesive while it is still in the tin and thoroughly mixed until a uniform colour is achieved, then the mixed adhesive can be painted onto the substrates to be bonded. The way it is mixed in the video does not really allow for the adhesive and crosslinking agent to be mixed in the correct ratio. We can supply this product in a 250ml set for smaller patch repairs, the product shown on youtube is a 1 Litre set.
I hope this information is of use.
Kind regards
Jon Potts
Trade Grade Products Ltd
The Glue People
01202 820177
What s the name of the additive and did u buy, also the pvc?
Can you share the link of the midfin you are using?
This is such a great idea!!!
Hi, I got the same fin/box as you from AliExpress. I went with industrial velcro and lost the finbox After 10 min in the water. How has your glue been holding up?
Hey, oh no! My fin box is still there but only used it a few times
Im wondering If this will work with a Kite too? Would be awesome in those super light Wind days 🤔
yes it does work well providing theres enough wind to keep the kite in the sky. Better to use a small kite or a lightweight kite such as one strut
Quick question - Is it the centre of the board from tip to tail of the board itself or did you do it in the center between the back fin and the front of the board? - It kinda looked a bit more "forward" than I was expecting! Might have to give this a go!!
I went for the centre of the board i think
I bought a wing in France last year and discovered this and yeah, you disappear downwind very quick.....
Still hesitating about where the best place for the dagger board should be proportionally to the paddle length.
Nice. But why not buy a second-hand antique windsurfer with a real middle box instead?
Then you can adjust the keel-sword on the go, and use it with a mast/sail too.
Lack of portability
yes, about double the weight is counter productive for the endeavour.
Good idea! I have one in the rafters at the lake I can pull down and use. Thanks!
Sam's best videos were kitesurfing.
EPIC downwinders, jumps, laps of Islands.
Now reduced to your boat videos and what I found was the most boring thing I ever learnt. Wing foiling.
If I want yachting ill watch yachting channels, and I do follow Alex Thomson.love his videos.
Thanks Sam, total respect but im unsubscribing. I love kitesurfing !!!
Haha no need to tell me, you do you mate. Plenty more epic kitesurfing missions coming, I will continue to post whatever I want / doing at the time
All you had to do was turn the video off and watch a different video if that's not for you 😄😆🤣 lmao, it's really that simple!
@@SamLight Keep up the good stuff, can't please everybody :)
Another great vid. Very inclusive for evbod peeps no "BillyBig Balls" Well done.