My first Freefoil experience with BETA Foils
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2023
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This technology paired with a wing could make it possible to fly forever in the lightest winds. That's the part that's really exciting to me.
I don't know, as I'm not a winger, but I expect we will all find out soon.
@@WakeThief if you could find a way to test it with someone who wings, I bet you would get a lot of attention, I for one would be extremely interested to see the result. You would also dip into a much larger market.
That would be interesting/entertaining. Get out there with Tucker with MacKite. It would be great to see a collab with them.
@@mysweethubertto wing, do you need some way to stick to the deck of the foil?
@@JinKee you don't need to, but some use straps. It is more useful if you're going to jump, to keep the board at your feet.
I'm sitting here saying, "No way!" Over and over watching this video. You did it! So cool. I've been following you for years. You wanted it, and you did it.
Thank you, Justin. Making this video was an emotional experience for me. Lots of hours on foils led to the moments in this video. Thanks for taking the time to write, and your support over the years. Means the world to me.
@@WakeThiefIt's so cool of you to respond. I had very little faith that your goal would ever be reached. I thought the technology couldn't go much further. My thoughts were to get in better shape or an electric efoil. It's so cool that you are now friends with Todd Reichert. He has to be one of the coolest engineers of our day.
@justincoats7236 I’m not going to lie. I started to lose faith too. Todd is truly exceptional.
@@WakeThiefir are you looking to distrib efficiently in Europe
Hi. I'm not a pump foiler, rather focus on kite and wing, however I really appreciate the effort and commitments you make when analysing especially when you use data to backup your summaries (most others don't unfortunately). Wish you and your colleague all the best with the business venture!. Regards.
I couldn't wish for a kinder response. Thank you for seeing and appreciating the details.
I agree 100% with your thinking on "Endless Flight". Nobody flies, drives, bikes, runs, or walks forever. Each has it own realistic and practical range that most of us need. It seems like the new Freefoil is already in the range for most of us. Congratulations!
Todd kept telling me I’d love freefoiling. I need to try and see stuff to believe it. I’m a believer. And yes, not sure what I was gonna do when I flew an hour that wouldn’t be called freefoiling!
It seems super cool. A sunfish or a laser or any other small sailboat can take you for hours. The wind, daylight and your time are the only limits (that and where you can launch from a trailer or a dolly).
Wing size: 2100 cm^2
Tail size: 340 cm^2
Aspect Ratio: 18.3
Total foil weight: 4.7kg
This is awesome! A new chapter begins - congrats guys!
Your video from one year ago talked of foiling for 30 minutes as the end goal of endless flight. Now 2.5 hours…mind blown and congratulations
Thank you! I, myself, would still like to get past 30min, just so 20min becomes easy and I can now venture out even further. But, yea, it is truly amazing
Epic! Thank you for showing the first major breakthrough in hydrofoiling in decades!
The pleasure was absolutely mine! Thank you.
This is so cool! Cant wait to see what the future holds with this!
Me too!
Nicely done. That beach launch looks super easy. Well... easy after lots of practice but you know what I mean. Compared to other foils.
And so rewarding for you being able to pump to far away docks or piers. I love it.
It's not as easy as it looks, but this foil certainly made it possible for me. I thought beach starting was beyond my skill set, but I'm so glad to now be doing it.
Just incredible! Great effort 👍
I am a wing foiler and was looking for a sport to practice my foiling when there is no wind. I want to purchase one Beta foil! I think it is wonderful
Glad you are achieving your goals. Good to see you're teaming up with knowledgeable and skilled folks like Todd. Anyone who's been successful on the asphalt in BM, NV has my respect. Plus real world results are the best kind of proof.
Thank you. Super kind of you to leave the note. Todd is as impressive as it gets.
This looks boss! Thanks for the vid 🙌
This is amazing, congratulations!!!
So cool! Great work on charging forward with the sport!
Thank you
And just like that, we have a winner. I hope you can still carry on this channel even though you found a foil that will never be beaten
With the current price I suppose there will always be room for more reviews of the best budget alternatives 😀
Thank you for your support. This is just the beginning. I haven’t even flown for an hour yet! This is one category. We are reviewing wake thief foils, new budget foils, and efoils! I’m also giving winging a try! I love this sport and I’m not going anywhere! So much to do.
Absolutely! The most interest this summer has been this $1000 option that is a great way to enter this sport, and let someone see if they fall in love. mackite.idevaffiliate.com/idevaffiliate.php?id=102&url=5
This is epic!! Well done. We need to get one of these onboard 🤙
I'm totally blown away, I've never seen or heard of anything shown and now I learned that a guy can fly around for hours above water with just the power of his own body. Realisticly i know I'm far to heavy and unfit to do mor then two pumps on such a thing before I crash into the water but I'm completly hooked, this looks like so much fun if you got the hang of it, thank you for introducing me to this world - subbed!
Super kind of you to take the time to share that with me!
Everything in this video is just great. Sport, storytelling, editing,... good job!
Thank you. It was from the heart, which made it that much more rewarding.
This is like a adventure movie! I fell shivers even typing here...
Thats for shure a super glider wing..Thanks for pushing the sport to the limits🤩
Interesting to see the dual mast, like on the earlier hydrofoil boats.
... makes a lot of sense to have lower forces on the joints.
I am so impressed with this Devon! Looks so good- beautiful production values. If you want some Western Australian testers the Perth dock start crew have their hands in the air😊
I was so impressed when I saw it too.
Pretty awesome man. Congrats.
Great Job ! well done
Looks really fun!
Huge congrats, this is just really great. I’m wondering how much easier it is to keep balance on choppy days - compared to a single mast design - as the big span front wing should react quite a bit more sensitive to even the slightest turbulence in the water. Also the wipeout looked quite similar to “single mast wipeouts” so things won’t get too easy in that regard it seems.
Please don’t be mistaken. This sport isn’t easy. The freefoil didn’t make the sport easy, but it did make it easier. I’ve been fine riding through chop and waves. The large wing actually stabilizes pretty well. I wouldn’t say it’s any better or worse.
Very cool!! Curious do you think some of the extended length was you getting more fit cause you were pumping so much? Like your endurance was going up? The latest beta looks very cool! Either way for sure the glide looks to have improved which is exciting
I suppose it’s possible but not likely given I set my last record later in the season last year when I was more fit, and lighter (which makes it easier to fly) and this record was 5x longer than my previous personal best. These pump durations are really hard to test back to back across different foils. Also because technique matters so much and each foil has a unique technique.
Long time follower! Your dedication to this project over time is a credit to mankind's ingenuity throughout history. I keep thinking of the parallels of how Da Vinci's Great Kite design and the Wright brother's designs ultimately led to the aeronautics we have today. Obviously, all compressed in time through the power of Information Technology! Good job! Keep at it!
It speaks volumes about your character to take the time to write something so kind. Thank you. While what we’re doing is so much smaller in scale and impact, it was nonetheless what I wanted to pursue.
Indeed. I may add,the rate of development since his early endeavors till now is in a time-line truly Great.
Thank you, Marco
rad, nice work guys.
Nice work - this looks amazing..
This might make a great foil for wingfoiling during low wind speeds.
This is a good idea, curious how far it can be engineered. Looks like some fun in the sun for sure
That looks f**king sweet. Would love to try that. Good job, great example of solid engineering
Wow! Just WOW!
So cool!
Great Video ! love to test this one day.
I bought one and looking forward to it!!!
Did you try it? How is it?
We’re in!!🙌
Nice work man!
Awesome. Bummed I'm only seeing this 7 months later! I need to lose weight for many reasons but the idea of free foiling and wind foiling is a primary motivator.
Good way to keep fit 👍
I was really impressed and inspired by this! Definitely would want another video about it, maybe even about more technical parts, if it would make a good video!
Thank you. Will do.
Wow ..very cool..👍🏽
Looks like a flawless design. I wonder if future versions will go from the 2100cm2 front wing up to 2400cm2 for the 200lb dudes. Great work !
Todd spent a very long time arriving at this Goldilocks solution … he tried more area and less area. And more span and less span. And more sweep and less sweep. He selected the best for low power pumping and good handling
Good to see someone else using Solidworks. Let us know we can print you some parts here in Tennessee
Very cool!!!
This is amazing! The only thing left is figuring out wet starts. Man I would love to invest in this company!
Awesome! This is insane!
Just imagine how many more Power Pumper hats you’ll need to send out 😂 this is truly inspiring & incredible, I still can’t believe it, amazing
I didn’t think about that part. My daughter will be working overtime now, packing up those hats!
Amazing! I want one! I wish the price of entry was less so I could just buy one and try it out!
Hey can you tell me what is the app that tracks your path on the map with the yellow line?
Yes. Relive.
Looks like a winner for foiling. I have a few questions....1) how does it handle wind chop on larger lakes....it seems low to the water and 2) how do you make turns? Thanks
Congratulations on the new design. Awesome 2½ record. Nice work on trying so many different types and coming up with a winner. Its expensive but so are high performance sailplanes or sailboat compared to a cheap hangglider or Sunfish. If I had to choose, I'd choose this Betafoil over any efoil
An efoil will be a much easier way to get to an hour of flight, but this one is more fun if you’re looking for an endurance and fitness challenge.
This looks so cool ! I'm just starting to get interested into hydrofoil and I have absolutely no experience in foil surfing, I love the fact that this is purely human powered, without the need for waves or wind. I'm living far from the ocean and wanted to ask if the beta foil might be suitable for a complete beginner like me ? I'd be so happy to practice a watersport like this on the small lakes and rivers we have around where I live 😍
It’s certainly suitable for a beginner, as much as any foil is. This sport is tough, and takes some practice (and patience), so if you’re committed, I’d go for it. If you have a budget, you could always find a used setup to test your interest first.
How did I miss this video? So cool! I have a guess, it was released on my birthday and I was scuba diving in Bonaire so I guess I was a little preoccupied. Looks really great!
Thank you... again. I'm already requesting one from MACkite to ride with wings
MACKite will take great care of you!
Very nice! Thank you Devon! Send me one to Greece, so I can test it. ;)
Thanks for this amazing development!. What's the minimum turning radius (sustained turn)? What's the gliding distance? Maximum speed? Typical maximum range speed ? Will you do a full review like the other foils? So many questions !
Great questions. Guessing 15m u turn (10m on a smaller span). Ideal pumping speed has been 3.1 m/s for me at 180lb. Lots still to test / learn. I’ll get some measurements and share in future video
Amazing - I guess it would also work for very lightwing winging or paddle starts on flatwater with a downwindboard. A comparison with a Sabfoil Leviathan 1750 or Gong Sirus 186cm or even 249cm would be also very interesting. They also have a very high aspect, but single mast. Maybe quite a significant amount of energy gets lost due to the flexing of the single mast? If just 50 watts get lost, that's a lot when it comes to endurance.
That's what I was thinking too. It should be rather easy paddling this foil up in flat water - that way you wouldn't even need a place to dock-start from. The dual-mast should also prevent it from rolling... exciting times ahead!
Was also wondering if you could keep paddling on this thing instead of pumping.
Thats really cool
Wow gotta thank the RUclips algorithm here, I didn't know this sport existed till today. Looks like you've got a well developed channel excited to dig in!
How cool! Thanks for leaving these kind words. If I can help, let me know!
nice approach. i was also thinking on dual mast aproach, as i believe thickness of masts can be greately reduced due to less mast twisting becouse of having more than a single connection point. I suppose the summed thickness of the two masts is less then the thickness it would require to connect the same wing to a singe mast, is that right?
Great question! I will need to ask Todd to confirm. If I recall correctly, it’s about awash. The dual mast are each
Really interesting. Do you know what made the most difference in this novel setup? Do you think a traditional single mast architecture with the same wings could achieve similar pump durations?
Possibly. I’m working on a SAB 1750 review right now and will let you know! So far, I’ve found it easier to pump longer than the small wings out there.
wow this seems really cool, but also expensive. Good luck with the project
endless summer!
ha this is Saratoga lake! I grew up rowing at SRA, too funny!!!
Amazing!!!!!
I didn't know this was a thing that even existed, I find it fascinating.
One leap twords flight achieved.
Looks next level. Hopefully the price can drop a bit in the future so more people can enjoy this
Yes! To reach the next-level weight and performance, BETA used ultra-high mod carbon fiber and designed/built the freefoil 100% in Canada.
Definitely needs to cut the price in half before it picks up. It should be more then normal foils but at its current price, efoils make way more sense.
Yes, at this stage we are on the verge of flying hours and every ounce of weight and watt of reduced pumping power matters. For anyone considering this sport of the first time, I’d start here if they’re not sure this for them. The 99 was the very foil foil I dock started and pumped for 1min! mackite.idevaffiliate.com/idevaffiliate.php?id=102&url=5
@@chriswilliams213I hope your employer/customers never ask you to cut your labor in half to meet their wants. Innovation has a cost!
@@andrewbodager2651but surely you under stand the trade off off low production/sales vs high production mass market dynamic? It’s what makes your really high tech tv cost only $500 at Costco.
This is exactly what I've been looking for. I've been spinning my wheels with kites, wings, and groaning at the price of efoils. I wanted to foil for long distances without depending on wind or motors. This is it. I want to buy one as soon as they open back up.
Pls sign up for the newsletter on the website. We don’t expect the supply to satisfy the demand, so it’s important you be notified when they’re back in stock.
@@WakeThief Absolutely! I know you said that they don't carve, but were you able to experience how the Beta foil is affected by a wake?
@venkuzephyr yes. It doesn’t surf easily. The wake is harder to maneuver / cross than with shorter span foils.
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What I see is improved yaw stability and higher aspect ratio. What I never understood about these craft is a front stabilizer replacing the rear stabilizer. True it needs a mast but rear stabilizers can't be substituted anywhere on a fuse.
Yes. But if stabilizer is further back, it’s total area can be smaller (and introduce less drag).
Nice ad 😊
This looks amazing!
Dreaming for an endless flight (i’m also an airplane pilot) like gliding competitions.
I don’t know if you would agree but (dreamimg is allways free) with some improovement/mods is possible to install a pair of ailerons to control the apparently less roll rate and governability.
Greetings from Italy
It would be interesting to figure out a way to start from in the water at a dead stop like if you fall off or need to rest.
Fantastic. I know that you mentioned it doesn’t wake surf or carve like a” normal “ foil but does it do those things marginally well or pretty good or it really sucks at it. Asking as it looks ” easier “ to learn, control, etc but eventually one would want to carve and wake surfing and… wake thief
The beta can ride wakes but perpendicular to them, not parallel to boat direction. If you want to wake thief, this isn’t the foil. It really is for pumping. Quite anxious to see if it works for downwinding.
That may be the coolest thing ever
This is pretty cool. Maybe we run a story on it? Very interested on turning capabilities of this thing.
Thank you. It does not turn as tightly as shorter span foils. I will show in future videos. Maybe 15m needed to full U-turn vs 10m for a foil with half the span. I will do a proper test and let all know! This is not a foil for carving or surfing.
Nice, I was wondering what you'd been up to lately since you werent posting much anymore
This wasn’t the reason why, but I will now be producing more content. Stay tuned for our best foil 2023 which is up next!
Really missing your content and hoping that Beta hasn’t taken you out of the market 😂! There have been so many new products coming into this space, with so many new wings and boards. Your reviews were always so well done and informative. Hope we can look forward to more!
Working on it! Thanks for the vote of confidence! I appreciate you taking the time to let me know
Awesome! Can't wait for a more affordable price to make it mainstream!
LOL... so so true.
Wow cool
Cool! Is it possible to use it with the kite in ultra low winds?
Hi, thank you so much for videos i am watching you a long time and you got me in the pump foil sport, i race on iqfoil in czech republic and i have two questions. Fist is have you tried the gong high aspect foils for pumping? Did you buy some foils from china or tried some?
Thank you! I haven’t tried any of the large span gong wings. I believe many of the good foils are manufactured in China already. I have tried a foil I purchased from a shop on alibaba. It was too thick.
High aspect ratio wing, with large area. Means wide span, and less lift-induced drag. Twin struts and booms make sense, otherwise you get very large bending moments and lower stiffness.
Burt Rutan inspired, I would say.
I woul like to see a sea trial. I know ia not for surfing, but at least for long rides over small waves.
super cool wish the trade off wasn't turn radius though
I totally agree.
Awesome!
I have two efoils. I totally love efoiling. But...the battery only last like 40 minutes then it's back to shore I go without burning any calories or muscle. I would definitely be interested in your board if it was possible to get back on from the middle of the ocean when you fall off and continue on. I would love the exercise and muscle toning that this board would give me.
Great stability for pumping. Is it able to surf a boat wake; first or second and move from wake to wake? Easier to pump than your gold standard?
No. This is no for wake surfing. We still recommend our favorite wake thief edition at AXIS for that. This is a foil built from the ground up for easy pumping and easy launching.
While I'm sure that optimization makes a big difference, from watching your video, it seems like the biggest single factor is a longer span for the wing. Of course, as the wing gets bigger, eventually it will get slower than a single scull.
What sort of foil sections do you use? Is a pumping foil section necessarily different from one you might use with some other power source that doesn't involve pitching up and down?
This stuff is technically fascinating, but it's unlikely I will ever be fit and light enough. I have short legs, would weigh 180 lbs if I was in great shape, etc. I'll be happy if I can get to the point of biking up steep hills again.
Now I need a mini SailGP wing and I'm going across the Atlantic in the smallest wind powered vehicle, boat or not.
also, if they built a small toehold into the masts, it actually stays up on its own long enough for you to push it up out of the water and mount it while you're in the water itself.
I like everything about what I saw. I wonder if there could be a way for someone to start in open water. That may seem impossible but if there is a design idea that could accomplish it, that would be so cool. Perhaps some floatation under the board that gives a person a chance to mount the board in open water and then get going and once going the floatation is out of the way. Some clever design that allows the floatation to decouple from the water, sort of like float planes have the step to help with liftoff, but different for this situation.
All great ideas … or even just make it easier to launch from a solid surface. Thanks for these.
@@WakeThief You are welcome. With the open water solution, a person doesn't have to swim to shore like an eagle that caught too big of a salmon. LOL Also they could take a rest when tired out in open water.
thumbs up from germany 👍👍 would love to test it
The price is gigantic.
Where can this be used? Only in calm lakes or what are the roughest waters it can handle?
I just use foils for surfing.
But damn. It looks like you could damn near commute on this thing 😂 can’t wait to see what this unlocks
Is there a system that can be good for pumping and also for wing foiling and voyaging as well?
I’ve liked the axis 1150 for all around activities.
This foil looks special. I prefer the word ride instead of fly, it's lower key.
Now, I want to see a deep water start by swimming furiously until you lift out of the water :)
Me too!!!!
nice. Wondering if use of it with 120kg is realistic especially in the sea (Mediterran or Atlantic ocean)?
4k++ is a nice price tag but the question is if it works…
design looks like glider plane long and narrow wings and dual mast give less flex and more rigidity