Chess and go are real mindsports. I play lots of go. But even I think they are in a different category than Olympics. The Olympics should generally include most elite physical sports - why? My point is every olympian there has a goal - to surpass not only their personal best but also the world and Olympic record. That record means something. It means the best of the human race is capable of this accomplishment. For mind sports, what does it really mean even if you beat someone in record time in chess? Does that translate to more smarts? Imo practical mindsports like memorization or observational kind of special ability could be included into the Olympics bcos all these truly push the human limits.
I prefer to keep the leagues separate. If E-Sports became part of the Olympics, then guess what? I'm still not going to be interested in all the other stuff at the Olympics. Just keep them separate and allow audiences to get more of what they came for. Trying to combine e-sports with Olympics and SEA Games (the latter which I'd never even heard of before this video) is just trying to legitimize e-sports to a crowd that wouldn't care either way. Plus more leagues and events means more marketing opportunities for brands and merchandising. Neither of these two even talk about how money is being generated. These tournaments don't just throw money around like it's charity and winners would earn no money at all if there weren't sponsors who financially benefit from these tournaments regardless of who wins.
Sports are physical grinding activities while E-sports are mental strategic competitive planning video games. U know u can use these benefits in playing v games in real life
@@bunny6339 I agree, just play a game of test match cricket, and I would gain a lot more out of concentrating and fielding all day (both physically and especially mentally) then I ever would playing CSGO for a day.
I think they should have explored more about how surfing would have been not considered a sport at one time. But nobody thinks like that anymore. So similarly, just as computer games were not considered sports, are now slowly gaining more and more recognition.
It's not a very valid comparison . If you've seen F1 racers and motorsports competitors they're very fit. The amount of upper and lower body training required and cardiovascular endurance is superhuman.
@@teriyakipuppy agree they're athletes but not all are fit. If you watch some E-sports tteams they also physically train to be in shape... So what's the difference? They also play for hours and is physically draining. If you break it down you find that there are other sports that would have equivalent traits in esports competitors. The archery world champion was a very unhealthy guy. Some sports are more mental than physical, shooting is all about accuracy. Car racing a machine does most of the work. So what is unique about E-sports that makes it not a sport?
@@alimfuzzy Not to demean esports players. If only it could be simple as both are "mentally taxing and physically endurious." I've seen the regimen that esports players have gone through and it is difficult. I'm a big chess fan and I will say thst chess will require 8 hours a day during tournaments, battle after battle. It is mentally as well as physically taxing. I've seen the debate over whether chess should be included in the Olympics. But they've had a difficult time getting into the Olympics. Again I am not against esports becoming Olympics. I am simply saying that your basis and reason for to include esports in the Olympics, is comparing it to another sport instead of standing on its own as an Olympian sport.
no we won't. Didn't you heard what the e sports athlete said? He occasionally plays basketball, goes for runs. Gaming is tiring too, especially ones considered Esports worthy. Especially Starcraft. Exercise is needed to train stamina and refresh the mind.
@@durianjaykin3576 Good for him and other athletic e-sports gamer, but I do think some (or most) aspiring e-sports athletes lead a sedentary lifestyle due to lack of discipline and time management. It should be taught that they shouldn't dedicate all of their hours facing their computers or phones, just like what they currently do... Promotion of e sports needs to be accompanied with lifestyle advices and health monitoring, just like athletes who play physical sports.
Not it's not. It's depend of person. I've seen many esport athletes who has athletic body because they do gym. Not only esport but many job make obesity if they dont control their consumption and don't do workout
However, there is 1 thing where e-sports is MILES ahead of sports: competition. The distance between an amateur, a professional and a complete master of any given sport is very short compared to the most popular video games. And that has to do with a few key factors: 1) accessibility: playing a video game with proficiency is easily accessible through a simple computer or console, 24/7. Contrary to actual sports, it doesn't require external equipment, environmental conditions, or management of a team's schedule. 2) popularity: video games like Fortnite and League of Legends had tens of millions of players at any given time. Statistically alone, they are bound to generate both the strongest of competitors (and the worst of players, on the other end of the spectrum, haha). 3) mindset & instantaneous replication of innovation: by virtue of the media, whenever any 1 player achieves a break-through, it generates media or other data that can be used by the thousands of other players to immediately analyze, study and improve upon the new technique. Contrary to sports, where the body needs to be ready and where people think of a break-through as being correlated with the innovator's body, most competitive video game players acknowledge opponent's breakthroughs as immediately replicable. It's as if most gold Olympians were "Gold+ League" competitors in video games, whereas video game competitors need to get past Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Diamond, and Master League just to be taken seriously. But in truth, the mastery required out of video game competitors is simply without comparison to that of nearly all sports competitors.
If you think the "sport" should be taken out of the E-Sport, then you better not complain of being tired from a day of work, sitting in front of the laptop. I've done competitive gaming as well as physical sports, both present its own challenges that taxes the body when you are competing at the top level.
Agreed. Video games these days makes people toxic... Anti-social... What happens if the world enters another recession, and we need manpower? By then, all does gamers who stay at home all day will have no strength, patience, passion, or motivation to do physical work.
@@theleagueofgamers1102 covid 19 situation prohibits us to crowd and force us to stay at home. They just play game and stay at home. they has done health protocol
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If you consider chess to be a real sport, then esports should also be classified as one. But few people say even chess and go are not real sports
Chess and go are real mindsports. I play lots of go. But even I think they are in a different category than Olympics. The Olympics should generally include most elite physical sports - why?
My point is every olympian there has a goal - to surpass not only their personal best but also the world and Olympic record. That record means something. It means the best of the human race is capable of this accomplishment.
For mind sports, what does it really mean even if you beat someone in record time in chess? Does that translate to more smarts?
Imo practical mindsports like memorization or observational kind of special ability could be included into the Olympics bcos all these truly push the human limits.
I prefer to keep the leagues separate. If E-Sports became part of the Olympics, then guess what? I'm still not going to be interested in all the other stuff at the Olympics. Just keep them separate and allow audiences to get more of what they came for. Trying to combine e-sports with Olympics and SEA Games (the latter which I'd never even heard of before this video) is just trying to legitimize e-sports to a crowd that wouldn't care either way.
Plus more leagues and events means more marketing opportunities for brands and merchandising. Neither of these two even talk about how money is being generated. These tournaments don't just throw money around like it's charity and winners would earn no money at all if there weren't sponsors who financially benefit from these tournaments regardless of who wins.
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They both had really good points i thought. The surfer was cool af.
Agree
isnt that Thomas from wah banana? Didnt know he won medals at the sea games
Unfortunately, I don't agree with playing online games as an E-sports. Physical sport is always better.
Yes its true
Thomas from Wahbanana
Ye thats wht i thought
Sports are physical grinding activities while E-sports are mental strategic competitive planning video games. U know u can use these benefits in playing v games in real life
Sports is mental strategic competitive planning too they use their Iq to win like basketball they always plan a pattern to score
@@bunny6339 I agree, just play a game of test match cricket, and I would gain a lot more out of concentrating and fielding all day (both physically and especially mentally) then I ever would playing CSGO for a day.
So basically you said by playing call of duty you can become delta operator? What a logic
I think they should have explored more about how surfing would have been not considered a sport at one time. But nobody thinks like that anymore. So similarly, just as computer games were not considered sports, are now slowly gaining more and more recognition.
If motor racing is a sport then so is esport. Both are heavy on hand eye coordination, reaction and memory.
It's not a very valid comparison . If you've seen F1 racers and motorsports competitors they're very fit. The amount of upper and lower body training required and cardiovascular endurance is superhuman.
@@teriyakipuppy agree they're athletes but not all are fit. If you watch some E-sports tteams they also physically train to be in shape... So what's the difference? They also play for hours and is physically draining.
If you break it down you find that there are other sports that would have equivalent traits in esports competitors. The archery world champion was a very unhealthy guy. Some sports are more mental than physical, shooting is all about accuracy. Car racing a machine does most of the work. So what is unique about E-sports that makes it not a sport?
@@alimfuzzy Not to demean esports players. If only it could be simple as both are "mentally taxing and physically endurious." I've seen the regimen that esports players have gone through and it is difficult.
I'm a big chess fan and I will say thst chess will require 8 hours a day during tournaments, battle after battle. It is mentally as well as physically taxing. I've seen the debate over whether chess should be included in the Olympics. But they've had a difficult time getting into the Olympics.
Again I am not against esports becoming Olympics. I am simply saying that your basis and reason for to include esports in the Olympics, is comparing it to another sport instead of standing on its own as an Olympian sport.
@@teriyakipuppy I didn't mention anything about Olympics.
@@alimfuzzy I'm sorry on what video and what context is this discussion? I'm afraid we're getting derailed here.
Even if it wasn't a sport that doesn't necessarily mean its easier, there very hard in different ways.
If we promote e sports we will have obesity epidemic.
My thoughts exactly...
no we won't. Didn't you heard what the e sports athlete said? He occasionally plays basketball, goes for runs. Gaming is tiring too, especially ones considered Esports worthy. Especially Starcraft. Exercise is needed to train stamina and refresh the mind.
@@durianjaykin3576 Good for him and other athletic e-sports gamer, but I do think some (or most) aspiring e-sports athletes lead a sedentary lifestyle due to lack of discipline and time management. It should be taught that they shouldn't dedicate all of their hours facing their computers or phones, just like what they currently do... Promotion of e sports needs to be accompanied with lifestyle advices and health monitoring, just like athletes who play physical sports.
@@durianjaykin3576 yes indeed.
Not it's not. It's depend of person. I've seen many esport athletes who has athletic body because they do gym. Not only esport but many job make obesity if they dont control their consumption and don't do workout
If poker is considered a sport then well, video gaming is also a sport.
Imagine Sonicfox meet mike tyson and share about Sport & Esport
Fighting Game & Fighting sport.
However, there is 1 thing where e-sports is MILES ahead of sports: competition.
The distance between an amateur, a professional and a complete master of any given sport is very short compared to the most popular video games.
And that has to do with a few key factors:
1) accessibility: playing a video game with proficiency is easily accessible through a simple computer or console, 24/7. Contrary to actual sports, it doesn't require external equipment, environmental conditions, or management of a team's schedule.
2) popularity: video games like Fortnite and League of Legends had tens of millions of players at any given time. Statistically alone, they are bound to generate both the strongest of competitors (and the worst of players, on the other end of the spectrum, haha).
3) mindset & instantaneous replication of innovation: by virtue of the media, whenever any 1 player achieves a break-through, it generates media or other data that can be used by the thousands of other players to immediately analyze, study and improve upon the new technique. Contrary to sports, where the body needs to be ready and where people think of a break-through as being correlated with the innovator's body, most competitive video game players acknowledge opponent's breakthroughs as immediately replicable.
It's as if most gold Olympians were "Gold+ League" competitors in video games, whereas video game competitors need to get past Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Diamond, and Master League just to be taken seriously. But in truth, the mastery required out of video game competitors is simply without comparison to that of nearly all sports competitors.
finger-ing sports
If you think the "sport" should be taken out of the E-Sport, then you better not complain of being tired from a day of work, sitting in front of the laptop. I've done competitive gaming as well as physical sports, both present its own challenges that taxes the body when you are competing at the top level.
I can still respect starcraft 2, more than mobas
OH MY GOD WAH BANANA GUYS!!!
No video games in Olympics. Cancel them first
Agreed. Video games these days makes people toxic... Anti-social... What happens if the world enters another recession, and we need manpower? By then, all does gamers who stay at home all day will have no strength, patience, passion, or motivation to do physical work.
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@@roxasblackheartlessxiv6784 man, gamer and esport athlete save the world. Since this pandemic force us to stay at home.
@@stevendustinimmanuel3810 how
@@theleagueofgamers1102 covid 19 situation prohibits us to crowd and force us to stay at home. They just play game and stay at home. they has done health protocol
watching top starcraft player its always KR vs KR.
Serral is too busy crushing left-and-right to respond.
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