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In this DCS World Simulator video I'm in the SU57 Felon fighting against SABRE in the Eurofighter Typhoon, Hope you guys enjoy!
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Hey guys! In this DCS World Simulator video I'm in the SU57 Felon fighting against SABRE in the Eurofighter Typhoon, Hope you guys enjoy!
Any reason why the Rafale (especially its newest variant, the F5 or Super Rafale) is not very much covered by you or Growling Sidewinder? Maybe a proper mod is not available yet? I understand that both of you are US nationals and tend to favor US jets but does it have anything to do with the fact that the Rafale has the most sales worldwide in 2023 besides the F-35? 🤔
Could you provide the link to the mod for the Su-57?
one thing you can’t take away from the SU57…it’s got the coolest name.
yes, more please... if it helps for more I just bought a T and a stainless .... keep em coming.
The sheer amount of copium in the comments section though...😅
hey man, it's got the RCS of an f-18.. those are pretty small right?
The Stealth of Felon help you I think?
Great video as always, have a peaceful and overall great new year LongShot!
You too brother, thanks!
Thanks LongShot for the endingi display of differential thrust. Best detail so far.
The sound effect worked into that SU57 mod is so immersion breaking... that dopler shift you would hear if the plane flew over, but hearing it repeatedly from inside the cockpit is just silly. Aside that, another great vid LS )
removed in the upcoming patch
So, the completely unrealistic aircraft, control surfaces and the nozzles behavior is ok with you?
@@getsideways7257 Neither is the F-22 lol Also what's wrong with nozzle behaviour? Those are 15-degree pitch/8-degree yaw all-aspect deflectable. What's wrong with control surface behaviour?
@@Max_Da_G Oh, the F-22 is explicitly SFM, so there's no point in even mentioning it (just like the "Typhoon").
As for what's wrong with the surfaces and nozzles on this so called Felon, you are forgetting that it's a modern fighter jet with relaxed longitudinal stability. Just imagine what would happen in reality if they were swung this much... You can also find some real life air display footage and see for yourself how exactly they move on the actual Su-57 depending on the maneuver.
@@getsideways7257 isnt it crazy how easy it is for a single person doing this as a hobby to overlook such trivial details?
The Felon is a good looking aircraft. I like the howling sound it makes. It's like flying banshee.
Given how close you were, you could've given him an Archer along with the Adder. IIRC, Russians like to double-tap when it comes to air to air combat.
@10:11-16 did anyone else notice the bug flying around inside the cockpit ? DCS realism...amazing.
😄Made me look, good one!
Merry Christmas!
@truthseeker9454 thanks, Merry Christmas . Be blessed
Hey LS, welcome back! Up until I spotted yesterdays upload I was beginning to WORRY about you - although now that I think of it, I'm sure you were VERY busy trying to decide what presents to get your most dedicated subscribers. (and fyi, my monitor could use an up-grade. Not that I'm hinting, just sayin... 😉) Happy Holidays bud! ❤❤❤
It looks amazing, great stuff. More of this please!
LS - love how your play-by-play helps me understand your strategies and adjustments. And although this vid - while excellent (as usual 👍) - isn't an example of a particularly hairy, edge-of-your-seat mission. when those missions DO arise, your real-time vocals make for an incredibly authentic, immersive experience (quite often when watching such vids, people in the same room had to ask if I'm okay after hearing my high-pitched squeals and seeing me jumping in my chair! 🤪)
LMAO🤣 I'll do my best to come up with more edge of the seat scenarios
@@LongShotChannel Never in doubt👍
AWACS was the biggest advantage here.
Textbook perfection of how to do infrared sneaky mountain /terrain attack - heck, GS has been attempting this recently but he tends to peek out and get spotted by enemy radars often- LS did this perfectly(well, aside from using Fox 3 missiles- FOX 2's , long range and short range would have been the ultimate kill no one saw coming)- but the flying, and staying DEEP behind mountain peaks until he's looking elsewhere- is some master class flying, props to LS. Love whenever Longshot does this- dude, you're getting even better at it- Felon or Flanker, this would have beat your foe regardless. You've become the master for sure of this! Shame the Eurofighter doesn't have it's own IRST implemented - it wouldn't have made a diff in this fight at all though lol. Also, if you really had to use Fox 3s - a R-37 would have been the ultimate insult from behind him LOL.
Love whenever LS demoes the infrared sneaky ghost techniques..
Yeah. LS beats GS in defence. He really knows how to use the terrain to his advantage
The felon…. The one plane with more DCS appearances than real life.
Some day it will shot down a baloon to keep up with the competition 🤣
That would be true of almost all 4th gen and newer planes.
@@Awaken2067833758Says the imbecile who has no idea what the F22 can really do. 😂
@@Awaken2067833758 More likely it will be wrecked on the ground by a drone. 😁
Tell me what combat record does the F-22 have?
A Felon can climb 20 000 m where Chinese spy balloons fly, even at 1.2M
Great skills and great video!
Now the missile range of both R-77 & Meteor should be very close. Especially because the R-77 that Su-57 will be carrying are the R-77M or the K-77M. From the publicly available data it has a range of 190km, while the Meteor has 200km. So, they're roughly the same, in terms of range.
I'm guessing the R-77 you're using is the R-77-1? Because if anything Su-57 would be carrying R-77Ms as they were specifically designed for Su-57
su 57 can't carry r37m?? because if it does why not take these and not the r77m??
@@X32327yes it can. It has a custom made one to fit internally
He's not even carrying R-77-1, he's carrying the old legacy R-77 which has a top range of about 50km...
Once again a stealth jet getting a target lock on it long before the foe actually would. One day, DCS will actually start to give SU57 fliers the advantages they actually should have!
Great fight. And great cinematography.
Plus i still can’t get over how much i like the shrill sound of the Su-57 turbines. 👍
Paint job aside, the Felon looks like trash inside and out. Sorry, not sorry. 😮
Pilots out there do not Dog fight they will bait you close from the SAM missiles they may be awaiting you its his new Tactics I am predicting
Growling vs Longshot 1v1….make it happen!
& in a similar platform like the Rafale vs Su-35 or F-22 vs Su-57
Whatever happened to the new "Longshot Long Range Missle Avoidance by Hard Manuvering Technique" or "LSLRMAHMT" we all saw you demonstrate a few weeks ago? Wouldn't have that worked here? Even GS used it in one of his videos, so it must work.....right?
Since he had terrain masking available, why screw around flying those death loops. And don’t forget, LS was able to work that strategy out over multiple try’s where he knew the timing of the Meteor’s arrival.
I appreciate your videos, LS, they're among the best DCS videos available. However, the sound of the Su-57 always takes me out of the realism of the moment. It has that distinctive decreasing pitch associated with the doppler effect but it has it inside the cockpit where you shouldn't hear it.
The mod still looks like a work in progress so a lot of things are far away from the reality. Like the summoning of a missile and then it being shot at the target instead of the internal bays opening and the missiles coming out from there. A lot of avionics in the cockpit don't work either.
Why, if he has a meteor, don't you have a P37?
R-37 can't fit inside the weapons bays. They are sized for R-77Ms. Having R-37M hanging off the wings kills stealth. Stealth isn't well-modelled in DCS by the looks of things.
Do Rafale vs Su-57?
I see a felon, i click
Is the Eurofighter's IRST modeled in DCS?
I am Waiting for DCS LCA Tejas VS JF 17 both BVR and merging ..... even in Dubai air show .. it was talk of the town
Very interesting video Longshot! I am not sure if I am hyped or scared that we are getting a full Eurofighter module in DCS - feel like I am going to get killed so many times by that airplane....
🤔 I wonder.... didn't thought of that
I imagine a lot of servers will ban the use of Meteor, but the Typhoon is so stinking fast that even AMRAAMs will be deadly.
The Su 57 is so amazing that its 5th generation is much better than that 4th generation German aircraft, although the German aircraft costs several times more, but the Su 57 is not even for sale
In my opinion, the Felon is the second best looking 5th gen, the YF-23 obviously being number 1!
You could take 2 R77M and 2 R37. And the video will be 3 times sorter.🤪
those simulators, can’t consider real world factors, such as russian planes use glonas (the russian gps) and this system is really poor.
other thing, if any russian plane will try to maneuver close to a 9 g’s, the plane will break apart due to poor construction. also the poor reliability of the russian engines… in shirt, russia planes can only win in simulators.
I am wondering why those A2A missiles are not being detected and traced by AWACS radars.
So you're telling me the strategy to avoid missile detection in a 5th gen stealth fighter is to dump all your energy and hug the valleys? How do you even keep up with him if he starts to run?
I see Su-57 - I press LIKE ! ! !
Could the Euro fighter have tried to jam the wess
Why i got a blurry vision when i reach a certain altitude, i looked over the cockpit to see if there is any button related to oxygen but i didnt find, can anyone help pls
This is probably the worst fight bro you in the cave.
who thought it was a good idea to loop flyover blue notes for the cockpit, trash
How did he spike the Felon so early with its advanced stealth?
Anyone knows the mod name for the su57?
What mods are the felon and eurofighter
What kind of stealth aircraft is that. What a joke
Su-57 needs the Su-30 mod treatment !
Excellent use of the terrain!
SU 57 FELON 😍😍😍😍🥰 LOVE BEAUTIFUL❤
We need to see some long shot typhoon piloting
Fellow Su-57 enjoyer
Merry Christmas
You too buddy!
Good game of cat and mouse!
How to get the su 57
Spam with Long ranged Missiles
The chaff/flare has Cooldowns
This includes the Pilot endurance to support the High G turns against state of the Art missiles from The European Union
Hi love your vids from a long a time now. I would like to see the f35 in somekind of a real mission to show what’s it really like capabilities.
F-16 with AIM-120Ds vs Typhoon with Meteors BVR plz!!
Supermaneuverability DOES NOT mean "more maneuverable"!!!!!
Supermaneuverability means the plane can maneuver after its wings has stalled, typically through the use of vectored thrust or high AoA maneuvers.
A more appropriate term would be "super-controllability" to be fair. "Super-maneuverability" term was coined in USA and refers to ability to change the direction faced irrespective of flight path and changing flight path irrespective of direction faced.
@@Max_Da_G It's the same with super cruise, the USA defines it as flying above M1.5 without afterburner but the general population think it's above M1.
I think discussing what would be an appropriate term is moot, we should instead look at the definitions these sources provided.
Can't the vectored thrust be applied at supersonic speeds to achieve tighter than average turns?@@kinematics7092
Haven’t watched yet but I’m going to say felon wins. I’m a raptor fan but
I think the felon will take this.
Great video! I really like the SU-57 Felon. It reminds me of the Lockheed YF-23.
Yheaaaa that's so good )) i love that engine sound and i love SU 57. Thx man. I have su 57 plane model )
nice
Круто!
Stealth capability with those jet outlet nozzles 🤣🤣
Sneaky sneaky!
Thank you very much Mr. LongShot! Have a wonderful christmas! Greetings from Europe.
You too, thanks
I've always wondered why the SU-57 interior design looks like no effort was put in it, like no details, textures whatsoever.
No way this is how it is irl!
Because it's a mod and there is not much info on actual su-57 interior in public space
The Felon is that good that no one has ever seen one, lol
"Yaaawn". It already has real-world combat kills, unlike F-35 and F-22. Balloon doesn't count.
Where, When, How? lol@@Max_Da_G
the soundtrack of the Felon, it is so good.
Sukoi builds very sexy jets. Hella pretty. My fave Soviet design bureau. :)
thank you for using always new tactics
Yeah only in dcs does the fellon win like this.
So having radar off behind a mountain counts as using the aircraft stealth capabilities?
That's how stealth planes approach their targets. Low-probability of Intercept radar isn't uninterceptable. And having an IRST allows for wholly passive intercept which doesn't trigger RWR. Ultimate in stealth is neither reflecting radar back towards the illuminating radar, nor providing own EM radiation for enemy to detect.
The kill shot was actually fox2 , i see R73 selected in the HUD.
If you look at the HUD, you’ll see that the R77 is selected right before the launch. The R73 only shows up on the HUD after the launch.
Thanks LS. I have to agree with you, the Felon is a "sexy" looking fighter. Unfortunately, I doubt it is very stealthy in comparison to the 22 & 35. I hope you have a great Christmas mate.
You too brother, have a great time
How could you not win. You set yourself up with all the advantages
He actually had many disadvantages. Had the r77 which has shorter ranges than the meteor missles. He took the felon meaning he only has four fox 3 and 2 fox 2. While the Europe has external hard points mean he can have up to six fox 3 and 4 fox 2.
He just played better and used his awacs as the spotter.
Great fight !... Very entertaining. 🙂
huge ufo looking like jet lol good one
BAT21 TO COMBAT HELL YEAH
Meteors look so effective
Hey long shot 👊😎 Loved it! Love, the maneuvers. I have a felon myself but had yet to map it out yet. I should take it for at least the free ride. I like to wish you and everyone and merry merry Christmas and a happy New Year 🥳 God bless you all 🕊️❤️🕊️
Thanks so much! Very kind of you, merry Christmas too you as well
Love when you fly the felon 😊
Does the Su-57 IRL have purplish blue exhaust plumes, because if so that's awesome.
Only at night. They're hidden by plumes of black smoke during the day.
Just the normal blue with a little yellow. Blue flame means efficient combustion.
@@Max_Da_G I guess that makes sense, I just never considered it before and since real fighter jets are harder to get such clear views of, it stood out to me seeing it here in DCS.
We got him!
Wow dude, what a great duel. That guy had all the advantages with his LR high speed missals. Can you tell me compared to the F22 how much stealth would you say the Felon you were flying has?
Do you mean in DCS or in real life? In real life the Felon's stealth is so good it's almost invisible. Hardly anyone's seen one.
@@truthseeker9454 Even the Russians are having trouble spotting them 😂
In real life no one knows as there are exaggerated claims from both the West and Russia. The West has had a history of downplaying the enemy and saying that they aren't good enough. A good example is the PLAAF. The US went to lengths to establish it wasn't good enough and after seeing it's strength build up over the years, they are panicking and ramping up their own developments.
@@truthseeker9454your mother should have swallowed😂
This is true . But not I. Ironic way you wanted to present it. Unlike never used f22 the su57 is doing wartime missions and has confirmed kills. Something f22 can only dream off(save balloon)@@truthseeker9454
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Couldn't you use fox2s to avoid detection?
Yes, but they have to be fired while at closer range. I have only seen fox2s used in visual range.
@@mick776gold There is a kicker: Russians have medium-range Fox-2s, specifically R-27ET, which Flankers are known to be capable of carrying. Since Su-57 is stated to be able to carry the full nomenclature of Russian air-to-air missiles, I don't see why it wouldn't be able to equip those.
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if this DCS why the cockpit is so simplified?
It’s a MOD. A pretty good one.
It's just a simple mod
It's a mod and data on Su-57 interior is very limited.
Basically the Eurofighter loses from any fighter in DCS. IRL things are way different.
Fighter jets like the SU 57 and F22 are better than the Eurofighter Typhoon
@@svenhvr not really. The F22 yes, the SU57 no way. The Eurofighter has greater t/w ratio, an ecm suite that is top notch, a self protection system that is one of the most advanced, S-duct and other stuff to reduce the rcs. The F22 is better, yes, but regarding Russian's stuff..no, the Russians are 15/20 yrs late compared to Eu and USA. Remember: this is just a game (i've worked for Typhoon supply chain).
It's crazy how much effort the Felon has to go through to even be able to take a shot at the Typhoon, never mind defeat it. Really nice tactical flying by Longshot, but I think if this fight had been over flat terrain or water he'd have been toast. I definitely know which aircraft I would prefer to be in in a real war.
EDIT: see also @angryhedgehog4266's comment below and my reply, learned some stuff after writing this comment
No, it's not crazy. You know why? Because in this video Longshot made a mistake and armed his Felon with the first iteration of R-77 (1993 version) aka the dogshit vanilla dcs missile that does not even loft in game (but does irl). U can clearly see that through it's advised launch parameters and the fact that it just says "77" in the bottom right corner of HUD. Not "77-1" let alone "77M".
FYI, "77-1" is one of the two AA missiles used in Ukraine by the Russians. Rivaled only by 37M. So u cannot argue that R-77-1 is not in abundance.
That is why longshot is outranged so badly. The fact that he won is almost a miracle 😅
He he he
IRL Typhoon Tranche 3 + Meteor would be a nightmare for the Felon
@@alexs.4340 The IRL typhoon would not have even seen the Su-57 on the radar by the time it was shot down.
Meteor, in reality, is not a missile for air combat, because it is severely limited in maneuverability and speed (no more than 3 machs at altitude)
@alb9229 sure bro. Russian's aerospace tech is 15 yrs behind western tech. Regarding the SU57 and getting into the specific, SU57 average RCS is basically the one of a clean Super Hornet. In fact when India tested it sadi "no thanks" because they realized how shitty their 4.5 gen aicraft was (and is). Second: Typhoon ECM suite is light years ahead of what russians have. No doubt about it. And considering all METEOR spec are classified all you have is just a best guess. IRL Meteor with its ramjet prop would find and destroy the SU57 in seconds. And Typhoon tranche 4 will be fitted with the best AESA radar available on the market: ECRS Mk2. The PIRATE on the Typhoon is just an amazing piece of engineering, you can't hide even though you are stealth. But the SU57 isn't stealth so what are we talking about? It doesnt even have S duct intakes. And actually i'm working as a supply chain manager for one of the big three aeronautical engine supplier. Wake up, their aircrafts are good for airshow with their tvc. Only Airshows.
The are certainly more Felons here then in real world. Also both Typhoon and Meteor are nit modelled well in DCS. You cannot bleed off Meteor's energy as it is powered to hit. The crank defence is unrealistic against its radar and network enabled targeting. To defeat the Fellow the Typhoon just needed to get high and drop a missile on it. There are now many accounts to suggest the stealth on Felton is not that good. In fact India pulled out of buying it because it was not that good. There have been well documented reports of it being detected at range by 4 gen Russian built planes. Many analysts now consider it a 4.5 gen plane.
The Indians never made a deal about the Felon. They are working on their own 5th gen fighter program along with more indigenous tech to go alongside it.
The Meteor can be defeated, its not the undefeatable missile you're making it out to be.
@@traviswalker8933 Indians grumbled something unintelligible about stealth and avionics when Russians refused to hand over the production method of the at-the-time classified Item 30. They also wanted the whole thing 100% localized in India lol Russians predictably told them where to go with such demands. And then India asked US to sell them the hot section technology of F404 engine. And ALSO got told where to go lol
The sound of SU57 really wake me up😴😧...
😂😂
I hope your Hanukkah was good. Love your uploads.
This is hardly a comparison seeing how Russian tank turrets get more airtime than the SU-57
Cockpit in the su57 looks from the 70s😂
That was one crazy back and forth dogfight, LS! BTW I hope you and your family are doing well through everything going on in Israel. Never forget that Jehovah will never forsake His people of Israel. God Bless you and keep you and your family safe.
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