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Limbus Company #24 - THIS IS WHY PROJECT MOON WRITES THE BEST STORIES (Chapter 3 Dungeon)
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2023
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best chapter so far, best story sequence happening right here
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About the names and literature references, yes, there's a lot of them. For example Gregor's apple trauma relates to his father throwing an apple at him, it gets stuck in his body, and him being a gross cockroach, no one bothered to take it out again, which eventually leads to his death. And Hermann being the abusive mother figure is a reference directly to Kafka himself, as Hermann was the name of his father.
Rodya did kill a pawnbroker with an axe. But it was more of a selfish deed camouflaged as a righteous one, like how Sonya in game described it. Rodion in the book believed he was destined to become a great person, compared himself to Napoleon, and thought that he didn't have feelings of remorse. To prove himself, he planned to kill an old and greedy pawnbroker with an axe. He made excuses in his mind, that him being such a great person, he would be able to share the money equally with the ones in need, instead of keeping it all to himself like the pawnbroker. He quickly proved himself wrong when the pawnbroker's innocent pregnant sister came in and witnessed the murder and Rodion had to dispose of the witness. He had overcome with so much remorse, in fact, that he panicked, grabbed only a small chunk of money worth shit, and felt guilty about it for the rest of the book, being haunted by both physical and mental illnesses, puking and fainting multiple times throughout. Sonya was a young girl forced into prostitution to feed her family, but she was a religiously righteous girl nonetheless. Rodion ends up admitting his crimes to her, and she convinces him to repent and turn himself in to police
Kromer was an older kid who led Sinclair and his friends to play and eventually they all started boasting about petty crimes they committed and eventually it was Sinclair's turn. He didn't have anything interesting to say as he lived in a rich family that honored morals and tradition. But he didn't want to lose the kids' attention, so he came up with a story of stealing a huge sack of apples from a barn. Kromer asked Sinclair multiple times if he was telling the truth, and every time Sinclair responded with 'yes'. Kromer then came up with his own lie: That he actually saw the poster searching for the person who stole the apples, promising a bounty for catching him. Kromer threatened Sinclair - either he pays up a ridiculous amount of money to keep Kromer quiet, or he tells his parents about it. Since Sinclair wasnt's a kid to usually ask for allowance, he didn't have much money on him, so he started stealing from home, little by little. That's where the Kromer's whistle comes in, as it was the signal for Sinclair to meet and pay up. Those whistles traumatized Sinclair. Eventually Demian comes up to Sinclair offering help. Demian then gets rid of Kromer, just like that, never explaining what he really did, but since then Kromer avoided Sinclair like the plague.
"Thus, the world of evil began there, right in the middle of our house" is a quote from the book as well. Sinclair naively believed tha the world consists of the world of light - his house, his morally right family, prayers and respect, and the world of darkness - the rest of the world outside of his house, with blackjack and hookers. He desperately wanted to belong to the world of light, but due to his own actions, he believed that he brought the evil inside.
this is a very well written reply and I want to give you credit, but I can't get over the fact that Gregor died of apple
A thing to keep in mind with the prosthetic replacement is:
They live in a Nest.
People in Nest are mostly protected but they work like crazy until the day they die or until they can't do it anymore...
(and I don't want to know what they do of you when that happen)
Having a body that didn't get tired, that can be easily repaired/replaced and which just need a quick recharge time to time is
a HUGE advantage for them. That allow them to continue to work without the worry of injuries
(specially from repetitive work/accident), to be tired... or to become too old to work. This is a security for them and their family.
This is probably an obvious choice for them.
But... yeah...
Not sure I would like to get an entire artificial body.
A limb or two, I could live with that... probably... but the entire body?
This is a scary idea.
I'd like an artificial body right about when I hit 60 years old. By that time my sentiments would have faded from having an ailing body.
imagine slaving away forever in the city just so the head can have a comfy time, couldn't be me
15:28 hohohoho the absolute THROWBACK that this piece of dialogue is, wow
Only the OG PM fans will remember
Enoc moment.
I would really like to know if the korean original is exactly the same aswell or if this is a localization thing
@@LambdadeltaYT its like that both in korean japanese and english
@@dap6386I knew he was giving Enoch vibes!
Lambda is literally Sinclair with the childhood prosthetic trauma
when is kromer gonna happen to me (i've been waiting)
@@LambdadeltaYT I will tell your wife!!
i really like how this story goes to show opposing extremist ideas, you can realize how the obssession of sinclair's parents to replace everything with machines is scary and alienating (even though they didnt deserve to be killed for it) and how that would push sinclair towards the opposite direction, and ofc you can see how kromer's view is also not good
wait a second, I need to rewatch it, I didn't catch the part where kromer was wrong :-O
You know, maybe, if Sinclair had talked with his family about his fear, they could have acepted him. Like, they loved him so much that, even after becoming robots they still having dinners together, and even on the verge of death they still think on him. Maybe I'm wrong, but they don't seem the kind of family that would be mad at him for deslike the idea of put a robot part on his body.
That's probably another reason why Sinclair felt so guilty, given that he had broken their trust plenty of times in the past (leaked his father's deal with a Wing, stole their basement key later on) and still thought he would be forgiven, only for that to... not work out.
too late! they're robot goo now.
No, no. This is exactly how the story goes in the book. Except for the prosthetic part. And the whole killing part. Also Kromer was a boy.
damn that makes it even better
The flesh is weak, only through machine shall we be able to transcends.
that's machine talk! get them!
20:40 have you noticed, that it looks EXACTLY like Lobotomy Corp containment units? Same tube near the ventilation, same type of ventilation. And looks like there was alternative version (Aberation) of Nothing There (considering flesh near ventilation and that most of Inquisitors became ""Everything There" - so around HE or TETH, which means untrained people/clercs would be instantly terrified).
Yeah, but it still makes me wonder what the intention was to have a vent that leads to someones private basement. this is really not how air vents work lol
@@LambdadeltaYT we don't know if those are even air vents at all, tho.
And maybe they climbed to air vent somewhere along the path.
so, to quickly summarize
Canto I compared to The Metamorphosys doesn't have that much of a direct connection... but resonates preety well with the theme of the book and the implied background...
Canto II with Crime and Punshment goes more into what Rodion was thinking and the consequences, some paralelisms can be made like the axing, but IIRC Rodion was exiled, while Rodya had her neightbours sentenced to death... the core is the same tho... Rodion believing to be someone special, and that bringing their downfall
Canto III with Demian... well... it's wildly different from the book obviously, no occult facility in the basement, no hill of corpses, no prosthetic replacements... but... well, the characters, they are god damn masterfully translated into The City, in short, Demian tries do nurture the egg Sinclair is in to make him able to break it and be born into the world, while Kromer wants an ommelet, or if talking in the same terms as with Demian, Kromer forcefully drags Sinclair with him, because he is useful to him, so he is braking the egg by any means possible prematurely, so he can dominate over the underdeeloped chick, in the process bringing forth the worst and darkest aspects of Sinclair's personality and soul
even the end of the Canto is fitting
Spoilers for those who want to see it, in my case I've already played it...
Sinclair in the book, tried a few times to liberate himself from Kromer's grip, failed every time tho, and that only made Kromer have a firmer hand on his metaphorical egg, but when Demian entered the scene, he did "something" to him, and suddenly Kromer was afraid to even get near Sinclair... In a sense, Sinclair not snapping at Kromer and standing up for himself was bad, but if you read between the lines, if he actually did that, one can realize he would've sank into an emotional abyss he would have never been able to recover completely... here, you get a sign, making Sinclair determined to fight Kromer, but you ultimately fail, and then Demian enters the fight and in a moment, Sinclair is free from Kromer
Now, I have to clarify someting
I've read Metamorphosys, skimmed Crime and Punishment and readed half of Demian (had to travel to Europe afterwards and all Limbus books I have are physical, after returning home, I had forgotten where I left the book) so maybe something else happens with Sinclair's family or with Kromer, but... I don't know
that's a good summary of the events actually.
I will most likely read Demian myself soon, I'm jealous of you having physical copies of the sinners books. Can be very expensive, sadly, but I want the same...
You know, I bet he never even got to stick his thing in crazy Kromer. His family was killed for no reason.
damn it sinclair, you had one job!
She promised he will not get transformed - and that is how she kept her promise.
28:15 their stories are related to the literature characters and their authors in some ways. For example, iirc Kromer is the bully of Emil Sinclair in the book Demian. Sonya and Rodion are character names in the thing where they come from (though they're gender swapped, I don't remember well their roles). Gregor's bug part and the name of that woman who transformed him (though I believe in the book she is not responsible for it, I don't even remember her name nor her role, but she's there in the book lol). Don Quixote's delusions, Ryoshu being a gore fan, Outis's name being used by Odysseus when attempting deception on a cyclops (how trustworthy), Meursault being how he is, and so on with the rest of sinners.
Btw, the cognition filter wasn't applied on employees, only the manager had that luxury. Also remember the Fear level system, and how even a Lv1 rookie is trained enough to watch abnos up to WAW level (though losing like 60% of Sanity and the "Hopeless" Text appearing), so Sinclair at that time should probably have seen a TETH, kinda like how the Clerks go crazy after seeing TETHs. If that was't the case and he actually saw a freaking ALEPH or smth I'd call that bullshit considering what I explained lmao
You need to remember that Sinclair lived a very sheltered nest life until then. He most likely had less sanity than a clerk would have on their first day.
You raise an interesting point with the sinners, especially Outis being named that was is very peculiar indeed...
project moon makes what a lot of indie companies can, an history with a good worldbuild
it's actually interesting that we get most worldbuilding through characters exposition and visuals. not much is explained in detail or narration, now that I think about it (Distortion Detective excluded)
@@LambdadeltaYT here's offscreen lore
"There's something i've been pondering for a long time, and I thought that maybe that's where i could find the answer."
This words have been said before by very peculiar character
I know, and I'm not a fan of that theory
@@LambdadeltaYT I not sure what even is the theory, that enoch reincarnated as sinclair's friend who want to se him bare? honestly that would be stupid
I assume this is some Seed of Light shenanigans
it ain't peak bullying until it ends up in mass murder
yo that's peak
"From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine. Your kind cling to your flesh, as though it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call a temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Machine is immortal… Even in death I serve the Omnissiah."
Joke aside seing your whole family turn into inhuman machines must be absolute terrifying, being rich has at least the advantage of giving them quality body mods unlike the Brotherhood of iron in Ruina who got themselves Shoddy replacements to not go all that much higher on the pecking order of the backstreets (and get booked). Then again the City has all sorts of augmentations be they mechanical, biological and even freaking tattoos, and doing the ship of Theseus is required to some degree if you want to climb the ladder ... though the "Its the lattest thing and more efficient" argument from Sinclair's Dad probably doesn't justify going full on Robocop on the prostheses and ask the whole family to follow suit.
that's some reverse heresy going on here lol
the ship of theseus discussion keeps popping up over all of their games and media actually, what with the sephirah stuck in their machine bodies (just what is the *soul* and cogito really, being basic questions in LC), books in ruina (if people get booked, worn and unbooked, is the book the essence of the soul that gets released then?) and now this more obvious delve into body modification/replacement.
really interesting though, transhumanism is a very deep subject that I love to think about, even if it and its implications scare me
Excellent pacing manager. Just in time for the next chapter.
Yeah, can't believe it played out like that. Now I get to record this weekend and fully despair starting next week...
This entire story sequence here really shot Sinclair up for me in "favorite limbus character" department.
Also you ready for chapter 4 lambda? Im not :'''D
i'm not ready either, but I agree - after CH3 Sinclair was definitely one of the more interesting characters. I wonder if/when we'll get more development for the sinners that already had a chapter
I'm sure you know already and heard it many times, but the abnormality Kromer saw in the vent was very likely to be Nothing There.
but if there was nothing there then what did she see???
It is Branch Facility, so it must've been weaker alternative version of it - aka Aberation "Everything There" (Teth or He).
If it was Nothing There - they'd both lose their minds, unless they are trained lvl 3+ employees.
@@GrimMeowning Yeah, that's the right correction, it was of course Everything There. I just forgot that it was an aberration, because i pretty much don't see a difference between them.
@@GrimMeowning Also, when you say "they'd both lose their minds", i struggle to see how exactly it would've affect Kromer.
@@Disorder2312 maybe she would start to love everyone - which will be something crazy to her.
In the tattered wallpaper I see a butterfly dying. Secret mouthpiece bearing endless traffic to and from the other world. One day in the mirror I see on my beard a butterfly dying. Wings collapsed in exhaustion the butterfly eats the meager dew that collects glistening from my exhaled breath. If I die while blocking the mouthpiece off with my palm the butterfly too as if starting up after resting shall fly away. Never do I let any word of this leak out.
Project Moon Explaining why they love genderbending and traumatizing characters:
I just think they're neat!
Sinclair family:
Live in nest
Rich
Specialist in prosthetic industry
YET THEY DONT MAKE HUMAN LOOKING PARTS
Wait how are they going to do reproduction
I'm not sure they're allowed to make themselves look "too" human
Also a curious case with what you talked about your uncle, i am kinda the opposite, the natural body and specially things like pregnancy freak me out, like, a lot.
Also, didnt reallized the first time around how much Sinclair is gay lol
pregnancy is both some of the most beautiful and also weirdest stuff you can witness. a new life forming and coming together, but you better not be there while the baby is delivered lol (i'm glad I was though, the best moment of my life was holding my daughter in my arms for the first time. I would beat a million kromers just to feel this again)
thank you lamba for noticing that demian is a bastard too, he knew and did nothing
he might be more evil than kromer by proxy actually
@@LambdadeltaYT i would split 51/49 because kromer was the one to actually kill his family
Demian foresaw that Sinclar this way will awaken his EGO and became a saviour of people. Plus he did nothing to save himself too, so it was all a part of sacrifice.
Do not forget, in all this stories - sinner about whom story is, is awakening their standard EGO in the end.
Please for the love of god, No one comment any Among us jokes about the thumbnail
alternatively, gather them all here so they are contained
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF AMONGUS, SINKUHLAIR?
YOU NEED TO BENT, SINKLUR! I KNOW ITS HARD TO BE SUS.
i saw krommer and sinclair VENT in admin
AMOGUS
Sinclair most definitely had the gay for Demian in the book at least
romance/tension can be a great literary tool if wielded correctly. also sometimes just overestimated and maybe more platonic than it seems
Yeah, Sinclair has a fair bit of the gay for Demian.
i still think demian is not real
i can't but wonder if the whole prostetics for aesthetics thing is a message for something else in the real world... i'll leave this one vague.
we need to return to nature
ANGELA DID NOTHING WRONG
Also Kromer is cringe
did you just?????
Kromer is such a wonderful childhood friend. She did all this just to help Sinclair with his personnel issues. I can't wait for Sinclair to confess to her atop the hill of corpses and have a completly uncensored 3 hours sex scenes just like the Director has intended. It will be pure Kino.
thank god the childhood friend wins this time!
Yeah, Sinclair has a fair bit of the gay for Demian.