Why Gran Turismo 7 is both BETTER and WORSE in PSVR2!
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GT7 is insanely better in PSVR2 despite the flaws.
Actually, I think you are the only one criticizing Psvr2. Keep doing it maybe they will listen.
Fingers crossed they make these small improvements!!
@@Kireth I will wear the he'll out of it if they fix the hud.
@@Kirethif they add the gaps to the car behind and ahead, and show who is pitting, I could finally start using my VR2 in daily races
@@joelatwar +1
@Kireth push them Kireth maybe 🤔 hopefully they listen to you thanks for fighting for us PSVR2 users, would love to see a function where the pit crew or race engineer can comunicate to the Dr
Couple of decent points but really depends on level youre at, myself as high B driver im not being restricted by lack of full HUD, names. or rev count in certain cars. At my level PSVR2 helps me get quicker by just feeling car better. And provides immersion that keeps me wanting to drive more and more, unlike going on TV. Ive got much bigger problems with driving than revs :D
I can understand that being A+ driver, the way it is - does interfere with the speed you can drive. And it is sort of unfair that such simple thing cannot get implemented, or this 1 button HUD hide. Playes should have choice between full immersion and full HUD.
And i hope the framerate and the quality will get slightly better with release of ps5 pro.
Anyway, putting aside all the pros and cons, for me GT7 in VR is the best sim racing experience ive had, whoever has got a chance to buy it - you definitely should
Yeah, I agree on all points you made, but having said that I lost two Daily Race Cs by approximately 2 seconds each as a result of not knowing the pit strategy and gaps to other drivers. At our level (I'm B, as well), it's not a huge thing, though.
Totally agree but would be perfect if they could have a function where the pit crew or race engineer can talk to you about what's happening in the race
You're right about the lack of race information in VR, but the immersion of VR is just so incredible that i'm never going back to flatscreen racing again. GT7 in VR even got me into sim racing. I'm hoping for an update that will fix this, but it's nowhere near a showstopper for me personally.
I agree ,all I do is race in VR every day 😉 as I mentioned before they need to have a function where the pit crew and race engineer can talk to you, also need to do something about penalty system for dirty Driving, ban them I say
use more light in a room when using VR
helps it not loose positioning
Good advice, but probably not helped by all the junk in front of him. When sitting on the sofa with only the wheel in front of me and some space beyond, I've never had it zonk out on me.
I agree they need to update the HUD, but never raced online until PSVR2, i just feel more confident with it.
I only play in VR and have turned all HUD stuff off.. it's the most realistic for me...
if there was some radio... Really confusing to see where are other cars in longer/raining races...
I just wish the HUD was completely customizable. The elements available and where they are placed on the screen.
In PSVR2, you see track nuances, subtle cambers in turns, humps and dips, etc. In 2D, it's a video game where you train your muscle memory through trial and error, and have to infer the nuances. E.g. in 2D, you might lose the backend in some sweeper due to a wee lift, and you don't know what the heck happened, but you just don't do that again. In VR, you can see a bump or swell. Man, I tried LeMans in 2D with bonnet cam after hours in PSVR2, and I felt almost blind. I couldn't believe how different the track looked.
I agree with everything you said about needing options for the other metadata.
By the way, I adjust my visor sweet spot so it's pretty low in the field of view so that apexes and curbs get most clarity. Since that's where I'm mostly looking, the lack of clarity elsewhere doesn't bother me as much, with exception of the abrupt change to the back of cars as you catch up to them. It pulls me out of the immersion.
Thank you for your content. Keep up the good work!
Yep! 100% agree…
You feel the track rather than merely memorising it!
It’s amazing how the PSVR2 can fool your brain too!…
I’ve gone over bumps/humps in the road fast enough to make my stomach turn, almost because my brain has expected to feel the jump/drop in real life!
The PSVR2 is a great experience.
I wish more people would stop trying to pick flaws in it, get on board with it and everyone support its development!
I really hope they keep it for GT8!!
100% agree and a great video again many thanks. I will not do an endurance race with my VR set that needs pit stops, as you have no idea if the other cars have pitted or need to.
Agree, that's why they need to have the pit crew or race engineer talking to you and advise all this info, not hard for PD to get this function up and running 😉
My dude, not everyone is trying to be top 100 or even top 100k in the world. I race in a private league where 90% of us race in VR2. Sure, a quality of life update with driver/race info would be nice, but we are all on a discord chat where we even have race commentary, so there's ways around it.
What we need is PS VR to Lobby's only time in pcvr that way we all have to check our rearview to see how far the person is behind us or they can have somebody in the pit in our ears telling us how far the car is ahead of us or behind us like other games the graphics are awesome too don't let him fool you it's still a mind-blowing experience every time I load up
@polyphony come on let's get this fixed
Hi, I respectfully disagree. I only play in PSVR2. My PS5 isn't even connected to a TV. I appreciate what you are saying, but the VR is all about immersion. It is not the same as flat screen (and a toggle button would just lead to fomo, imho - you'd have to use it). Personally I would be disappointed if revs were integrated.
Love the PS5 not connected to a TV! How I started with PS4 and PSVR1
I too love PSVR2 and i never race in last screen - I hate it. . But I'd like to see my time in the race relative to someone in front of me and behind and the leader.
Yeah, it is a bit of a pain with restarts, etc. But so far, so good. PS I say that comment on the rev counter even after spending hours yesterday using my favourite Subaru where the LED counter is literally blocked from view by the steering wheel! 😆 I just put up with the inconvenience. I like it. (but I am nowhere near your level and not chasing every millisecond!).
After bought my PSVR2 I only play GT7 on PSVR2. and GT7 is my most played game in hours
it's all about immersion, this is why I always turn off the HUD.
I wish we have a "team radio" to fill us all the important info while racing without break the immersion
@@mrdice5139 vr only here...have 1200 hours in gt7 vr...agree for the rev meter...but i like to see more info...player position.. fastest lap...gaps....simple things thet help race strategy
I'm not a competitive driver in GT7 but the first thing I noticed was the lower framerate and picture quality in VR compared to 2D mode. It's just a much smoother experience in 4k 2D 120hz. The missing bars/stats overlays are a ridiculous flaw indeed. It should be so easy to fix.
Probably have an old unit. The picture in the VR headset is better than anything you are going to get on a TV. Not even a comparison. The mura on the original PS VR2 headsets are pretty bad though. New headsets it's hardly there.
GT7 in 120hz is not in 4k in 2d ps5 simply dos not have the horsepower to give 120fps in 4k
You will never get the same immersion in 2d.
I’m a new user to PSVR2, and find it to be definitely more immersive…I’m actually a bit faster in VR and not have a rev limiter doesn’t bother me…it would be nice to have a delta, info and other names however, I just have to plan my strategy prior to the race and go with Plan A or B, depending on the flow…it doesn’t hinder my experience and I don’t think I’m missing out - Keep up the great work
racing on A in vr absolutely no Problems. I like using the rev counters or shift lights from the car.
I’m currently thinking of getting one and your videos are great, really appreciate them.
The resolution at any range over 5 meters is astonishingly bad. The rev meter missing doesn’t bother me, I use my ears to shift.
I agree with your talking points about psvr2. I love the immersion of the game but yes 💯 agree the hud has to improve. I don’t mind the lack of 4k resolution which is totally understandable but for sure the in game improvements can and should have an update. 🍻
I do off road motorcycles and some of the banks we ride up which are incredibly steep just look flat when you watch back in the go-pro.
I just want car-locked view and more pages in the MFD in the car, stuff like splits and people's lap times etc. I do not want more shit on the HUD. It is already too cluttered, I want ALL of that moved to the MFD if possible.
Sometimes I just turn off everything and try to keep track of stuff in my head. Low success rate.
I drive Ferrari 458 almost exclusively, and it has the best rev bar in the car, no need for that on the HUD for me, but it would be nice for those who need it.
All they need to do is have the pit crew or race engineer taking to you feeding you all this information, and this will be the perfect game 🎮 ever
PD just needs to put all the data, like add the needed screens, in the switchable section where the weather, brake balance, traction control etc. is. It seems like a no brainer to me that this screen ( that is the one with the positions and pit info) could be one of the options to scroll through. It’s coming soon I hope. PSVR2 is awesome to drive with!
I completely agree. I have PS VR2 and only use it for fun in offline races.
You cannot use it in a competitive online race.
Not true what you are saying. I am 80 position global at daily race B. Playing with VR since day 1. You need to adapt and learn to race with it if you want to be competitive 👍
I bought my own PS5 and pavr2. The only "problem" with gt7 in VR is the loss of fine detail but the fun factor well overides any nerd stuff like not being able to see characters on a sign. The hud could with an upgrade but everything you need to know to drive the car on the ragged edge is displayed on the dashboard so...yeah, if you want to enjoy Gran tourismo 7, VR is hands down the best way to do it. Playing it flat is pretty damn lame after vr but If your hell bent on clicking up and down gears at the perfect time in a robot like fashion then you gotta do what you gotta do, I guess, and use your rev meter.
This train actually goes up these mountains to the Jungfrau Joch in a tunnel. In the Eigernordwand there is a stop with a viewpoint like in the pit entry.
all i want is the top left tree with gaps, a moveable rev bar, a set vr position meaning if i look right as i come out of the pits or starting the race i shouldn’t have to press the reset button to look forwards again and lastly an adjustable seating height as i sit way too high up in some cars (this could be fixed at the same time as the previous wish too)
Stereoscopic lenses at 240hz on a flat screen creates as much depth perception. And with eye tracking it has no downsides of headaches, motion sickness or sinus pressure. Depth perception technology both uncomfortable VR headsets and tracking with alternating glasses/helmet lenses are very useful tools
Inside-out tracking relies on being able to see your environment, your room lacks good lighting and that's why it loses tracking, those purple lights don't help either because it's also looking for contrast.
You could get an IR illuminatior to illuminate your room, and since it's IR it's only going to be seen by the headset cameras. You'll even be able to play in a pitch black room if you wanted lol.
Just point the IR light at the ceiling to bounce the light, you don't get good results if you aim the light at the headset itself.
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After playing GT7 on PSVR2 with no HUD at all, I'm never going back to regular 2D mode.
No problem with the rev meter...but reprojection is not good...maybe ps5 pro will run 120 native....
I wish the same... and full res per eye / no dynamic resolution stuff... and Raytracing fully used.
I doubt that. Even a 2000 USD GPU on PC cant run ACC maxed out at 90 FPS in VR. But there is hope that Sony has some tricks in the pocket to make 90 FPS possible.
@@PrepaidKreditkarte81 console and pc working in a different way...in paper gt7 can not run even this 60 to 120 reprojection on ps5...but works..so lets see...even 90 native will be big improvement
Pretty sure I run ACC in 90fps in VR?
@@Kireth with the right tool everything is possible
I'm with you Kireth, I'm lucky because I love a chill singleplayer experience. I never use my headset when I decide to do sweaty singleplayer or anything multiplayer.
We need a psvr2 class/catégorie and the choice to drive only vr player or not in daily races
.....i want to see psvr2 players 'head moving looking at me when i overdrive 😅
Please more psvr2 racing I love seeing it.. it’s too bad not all the in dash rev indicators work on all the cars that would help a little too
Regarding the HUD, I think the HUD needs a complete overhaul in general, not just in VR.
We NEED a fully customisable HUD, where we can move HUD elements around the screen where we’d prefer them and ALSO to be able to remove HUD elements that we don’t want on screen.
I honestly don’t know why HUD design is lost on game devs.
Not just GT, but there are so many games where the devs just don’t seem to have a clue what the players want.
The face palm is real.
Do you think the game would look any different using psvr2 with a ps5 pro?
Lets be honest the game is very much lacking in terms of customization compared to other racing games in both VR and flat screen. We're given a choice of all or nothing for car and race information and cant omit individual items or choose the size or placement of where they're displayed.
Penalties are displayed smack dab in the middle of the screen for long periods of time on large tracks.
Greater camera customization is also sorely needed. Why on earth is the hood camera placed 5 feet above the car? Just compare the camera elevation to another car as you pass it and you'll see the flaw. Its as if you're driving a monster truck.
The game is over two years old and qol improvements have been completely absent since launch.
I disagree with your HUD issues. Since this is supposed to be a SIM, not an arcade game, realism is where it is at. The fact that you need the HUD to be in the top 100 negates the accolade IMO.
If you are going for realism, then you should have ONLY what the actual car would have as if you were actually driving it in real life. Any crutch that is used turns this into an arcade game and takes it out of the sim category IMO.
BTW, I track my 718 GT4 in real life and there is no HUD that follows my head movements.
Just saying call a spade a spade and not pretend it is something different.
I WANT to use my VR. I mainly race in leagues and I'd be at a disadvantage if I didn't have access to the same information that is available to someone who is not in VR.
Fans: "We would love more VR Support"
PD: "So you want more VGTs?"
Completely agree. I've been playing 90% in VR and the lack of updates is disappointing (but also not surprising given their approach on GT Sport...)
In VR customization should be the name of the game, not a barebones implementation. I love your suggestion of a HUD toggle button!
We should have a proximity warning too. In 2D it is easy to look at the radar, but in VR it is off center so it is very hard.
I also struggle a lot during rainy tracks because of all the grey increasing SDE, but I am hoping PS5 Pro can give it the additional power they need to increase resolution. It should avoid 120hz reprojection and only use native 90hz
I still have issues with blurry graphics after trying everything under the sun. Still love it but should be better
I agree that the VR is limiting as I would like to see where the other drivers are on the track. It only shows when you are in the pit. I would like to at least have the rev bar in front of me. A couple of cars don't have the cockpit view, so it is like your head is out of the sun roof. And for me, if I am warm, it fogs my glasses. With all that, the VR is great in an open cockpit car.
Get vr prescription lenses. Game changer
@@DmaVR l will have to look into that as I did not know that is an option, thanks 👍
@@geraldolson9366 no worries, less chance of scratching the lenses too
Even speaking as someone not very skilled and playing just for a little bit of fun, I completely agree. The rev counter is less of an issue for me, but it's really annoying not knowing how far behind or ahead I am, or knowing when the CPU cars are pitting, etc. It surely can't be a big deal to add.
Speaking of VR I hope Polyphony does some upgades for the frame rate and resolution for PS5 Pro in 2D and VR.
100%!
You are correct the GT7 image quality is nothing like the 4k flat screen but playing games like No mans sky or resident evil is just stunning in PSVR2 and this showcases the potential for future games.
Biggist difference for me on vr is cars feel slower but i still love it and its great to pop in garage and sit in all those lovely motors 😉
My thoughts on this:
Put the intervals/leaderboard on the MFD
Rev meter I'm not so fussed about. I either listen to the engine for the sweet spot or most of the cars I use already have a usable rev meter or shift lights
We need a better vr hub, honestly when you announced the new track and changes coming I thought for sure a hub update was one.
I only play GT7 in VR. Yes, the hud is flawed and seat positioning would be nice, but I'm at the point where I accept these things will never be added.
Everything your mentioning seems feasible except for the graphics frame rate part. Hopefully they get they get this message.
2k screens for each eye and now finally we can finally use it on pc and damn the hud is terrible
I honestly think that isn't the issue, it's mainly reprojection in GT7. I'm ok with mura in games like red matter
@@Kireth there are too many things to complain about the psvr2 atm. Mine just turned into a 600euro dust collector after i finished the horizon game
@@ultimatebo3noob710
I'll help you prevent it collecting more dust 😘
what car are you driving in this?
I enjoy sim racing for the fun of it, not for high-level racing, so VR is perfect for me
I just listen to my engine rpms makes it easy with 7.2 atmos surround sound turned up like your really in a car
You are right , i woukd apreciate that info . Although , cant go back to flat
Bring back the before 1.49 setup please😢
Its undriveable😢
I totally get your points and the PsVR2 really has some flaws. But when it runs it is such a great and addictive experience. Maybe with the Ps5 Pro there will be a graphics overhaul. 😅 Sadly my wire broke after nearly 2 years 😢 please be careful with it because Sony wants 300€ for repair. Will try to fix it on my own but its very tricky, I hope to find a way to solder it correctly. Please Sony, sell the cable soon, I want to go back into this world 😂
Not relevant to the video but after all the controversy with fanatec should I buy their products still cause I wanna get the qr2 and a new steering wheel
Please more PS2VR 🙏🏾. Speak your truth. I wish they would listen because it is a no brainer
I can’t play it on the tv after playing it in vr. For me it’s the only way to play now.
How to avoid nausea would be a good video to watch for sure...
i dont want a hud i want virtual spotter to speak me that info
the scenery background looks like daytona USA.
oh boy, I only play GT7 with PSVR2, and I totally agree with your points, PLEASE UPDATE THE EXPERIENCE !! it's a lot of guess work
8:00 So thats why you have issues lol. Isnt that a selfmade issue to begin with, sitting way higher in the car than you actually should? Like your head is even above the windshield, literally raising the question of if you have ever driven any car iRL? Because you dont have to move your entire head down to see the RPM Indicator if you were sitting in a correct position to begin with.
I agree. For these same reasons I stopped using psvr2 on the GT7.
When you are "the only guy" saying it and still insist everyone else is wrong...
You’re not wrong. Very valid points. I do still love it tho
Another thing I feel like we need is live chats doing racing sometimes I really want to say something to the person who just hit me just to pass me
Keep up the good work man. Thanks for that
Thanks!
Yes mate you can’t see the drivers go in the pits in vr2
What are you playing it on PS5???
Good points or waffle?? 👇👇
Both ;-)
Waffle
Being a top split VR driver. I would like a delta or a spotter. More so a spotter tho. Good points
I up-shift by ear. Not everyone can.
psvr2 is to hard to run on the ps5. It looks like they turned the graphics settings down to low. They used foveated rendering to cut on resources so for the split second that you look down things look blurry.
Playing on a flat screen is like kissing your Nan😅
Ha ha 😂 🤣
So that's why SuperGT doesn't use VR at all
This track was designed to trigger motion sickness
Reprojection is a problem this is just to keep framerate and feldelity, pc is more powerful and can be tweaked to user preferences hence no reprojection. lack of hud and splits also a problem, however in my opinion psvr2 is the only way to play, depth perception, immersion and the ability to look to an apex on sharp corners is unmatched compared to flat screen,
I can play a lot of VR games no problem, like REVillage etc, but GT7 gives me incredible motion sickness the moment I turn the wheel 😢
Try using motion sickness tablets the ones you take when going on a boat after 3 times your body will be used to it 😊
@@raywilliams9520 thanks, I might try that out
Sorry.... To be 'that' guy.... If I could afford PSVR, I'd go as immersive as I could and do away with the hud. I have done in the normal 2D and love it. But to be fair, personal preference
Sorry, what track is that?
Eiger Nordwand, thanks for the sub!
I love my PSVR2, but I need the other informations too
literally feels like a scam. It works, it is promoted... but totally confusing in competitive racing.
Agreed on all points. Its really blurry. Reminds me of ACC, wich I never played in PCVR just because of this reason. I think its the anti aliasing thats also causing this smear effect. If you disable anti aliasing in ACC, the game looks better (besides the pixel mess due to no AA). It looks like all the other sims then.
What I mean by that is, that smear effect (looks like an oil painting to me) is gone without AA. But due to the pixel mess, its unplayable. And I feel like GT7 has this smeary effect as well. Just as ACC looks great on a flat screen, GT7 also does. But in VR its not.
I hope the PS5 Pro can deliver real 90FPS in VR. And the cherry on top would be some super samplig.
I actually do worse in vr but I have more fun.
Yes we neede a hub in vr
Quit using mine Year ago, the Hud sucks, plus THEY NEED TO FIX THEIR PENALTY SYSTEM. Thank you😢
We need a VR Hub Update displaying the other drivers and the time distance to each other.
Next: Pancake lenses 🙏 The sweetspot would be so much better. Or Sony opens the PS5 for using the Quest 3 😍
Spot on
Top 100 huh? Last I checked I was in the top 200 and I only did that to beat you silly😅
I only play with psvr2.
Wish you had uploaded this video a week ago
I uploaded this video a year ago, make sure to subscribe and notifications on! ruclips.net/video/NvajYqgA1Bw/видео.html
@@Kireth I'm only sim racing for one month so prob I missed that video 😥
Well I'm agree with you for 100%, thanks for the video.
Welcome to sim racing and thanks for the sub!! GT7 still a great experience, the fixes here are things you'll want after months of playing the game
I have a PSVR2, but don't use it Online.
When a competitor is stupid enough to announce that they race in VR, I know to place my car in the their blindspot, then flick from one blindspot to the other....
Ambiguity
the fact that you can't pick up on the audio of the revs to know where to shift shows this isn't a sim.
Just wait for PS5 Pro which will make this experience flawless.
Can I say that the psvr2 is not for competition. It's for single player. Thats why GT7 developers made it this why. But just a opinion
You should just drive without the hud