The Inside guys debate how many MVPs Luka will finish his career with 👀 | NBA on TNT
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I be feeling bad for Ernie😂All he wanted to know was how many MVP's will Luka win in his entire career.
Chuck went on a whole rant about the current MVP race🤣
Chuck doesn’t listen to questions 😂😂😂
I dont because it was a trick rascist inappropriate question to start with we are not choosing your race over ares ever .
Luka has been the early MVP favorite the last 5 years and still hasn't won 😂
chuck is talking about mavs aint a powerhouse which is why he wouldnt have mvps.
@@TheBlackSandsseek therapy
Shaq the only one answered the question. The other two didn’t answer Ernie lol
Its always like that
And I agreed with Shaq's answer. At some point Luka will win an MVP, or at least he should. But it won't be this year
One! Lol
If these guys made more sense, they'd be less entertaining.
@@jumpinjohnnyruss this is true lol alot of dumb people like stuff that’s confusing or don’t make sense lol on the internet. I mean chuck says dumb shi all the time and they love him to death 💀
Ernie’s casual “I do!” When Kenny said they don’t vote for mvp slid way too under the rug
Ernie is a sly guy
🤣🤣
The god father
i heard it loud and clear - godfather
Ernie had something to do with that nash mvp vote 😂
Chuck: “We don’t vote for MVP”
Ernie: “I do”
Ernie was asking a very simple question.😂
Luka has officially become underrated
Facts
Cant play defense. And theyre asking this loaded question about him winning multiple mvps, thats not underrated at all.
@@hackrjackwhat a surprise, the man with the suns pfp is a full on casual that hasnt watched a game this season
truly a miracle
@@hackrjackof all people you speak about Luka after what he DID to you? That was probably the worst defeat in NBA history
how so everyone call him a top 5 player
Shaq still salty steve nash lives rent free in his head 😂😂😂
BOISTOP Steve Nash couldn't carry Shaq's jockstrap.
No, Shaq's absolutely right. Joker got the MVP, deservedly so, while the Nuggets ended 6th. Curry's carrying a bunch of random guys and is playing some really great basketball, but won't be in any conversations because the GSW are simply trash. Antman and SGA are wonderful of course, but I don't put them over Luka. This year yes, but overall - no.
@@harderway8568yall stop with the curry carrying BS hes no where near mvp convo this year . Joker, sga, tatum , luka one of dis 4 guys winning mvp
THIS
Nash deserved 1 of his 2 MVPs (2005 for 2004-2005 season). Kobe deserved it in 2006 but was still on double secret probation for his 2003 indiscretion. Shaq deserved MVP in 2001 and 2002 (he was MVP in 2000). Nobody was stopping Shaq from 1999-2002.
Mavs are probably a 30-52 team without Luka Doncic. I don’t think any player in the league is more important to their teams success right now.
Maybe jokic but that's about it
Jokic is definitely the most impactful and important player because it's been proven every season that without Jokic on the floor Nuggets are the worst team in NBA history, not just now!
I agree, without Luka Mavs are right down there with the spurs, hornets and wizards...also it doesn´t make sense to look too close on the team records, because a good team records means often a good team effort, it doesn´t tell you how valuable a single player for the team is
Jokic and Embiid
embiid was leading 76ers to 3rd seed now they are 9-19 without him
say what you want about shaq as an analyst but he's always been spot on about the mvp discourse, absolutely ridiculous how much the voters value team success over actual individual performance.
tho hes definitely wrong about just 1. Luka will win multiple mvp awards. dude can go out and average 35 a night and near a triple double. IMHO he should be the mvp right behind Jokic, with SGA and tatum right there too. Shaq dont know that Ant Edwards is a better 2 way player than Luka tho and people need to put some respec on his name lol
That’s the dumbest idea ever. You are not a valuable player if your team is bad
The amount of credit voters trying to award Luka for achieving NOTHING is insane.
@@MaldingMan13 all due respect to Luka and I love the guys game, I think Shaq might be right purely because of the politics of the league, he really has to do something miraculous and WIN like Chuck and Kenny mentioned in multiple seasons, it's unfortunately the makeup of the NBA the way they choose their MVP, only 1 of the professional sports who deems their MVP that way
Do you not understand what makes an MVP? A player who elevates and makes the team better but also being valuable in their own way. Steve Nash brought a suns dead to rights to the 1st seed back to back seasons, Russell Westbrook averaging a triple double with a terrible thunder team to the 6th seed. D Rose who brought the bulls to the top seed. It’s a trend. Luka in no way should be MVP with all of the pieces around him and he’s at the 8th seed. Stop it. Luka has a better team now then Russ did in 2017 and Russ had them in the 6th seed.
Charles Barkley- LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING!
“First of all…”
Shaq is taking that Steve Nash thing to the grave 😂
Funny thing is that there were like 8 other players before him in voting so it wasn't just Nash who beat him. :D But in Shaq mind he was close second. :)
I actually kinda agree with Shaq here about MVPs.
The whole point is you're looking for the *MOST VALUABLE PLAYER*
It's silly to believe that person can only be on a winning team because a well structured team with lots of depth could win without someone, while a team 5th or 6th that doesn't have the same depth might be carried by one great player.
You tell me which scenario makes the player more "valuable"
That's the age old debate.
How valuable can you be if your team can’t be top 6 in record or you never make conference finals appearances.
its because the way the award has been doled out, it always goes to the best player on one of the best teams in the league. Look at Chuck: he should have won one MVP with the sixers especially in 89-90 season, but his team was never great. He went to the suns, put up lesser numbers than he did with the sixers and he got mvp. Same thing goes with jordan etc. Right now the Mavs arent a good team, and that is hurting Luka
@@nikhileshnatraj331 Luka also doesn't add much value to his team defensively which is like half of the game, at least it should be. I know the NBA gives all the advantages to the offense. Not saying Luka is a poor defender, but he is not adding the same value as some of the great bigs on defense who are also great offensive players. Really Embiid would have run away with the award if he could stay healthy.
@@nostalgicbliss5547 why ??? EMBIID was just averaging 0,6 points more than LUKA and with a lot of rigged FT attempts and resting games...
LUKA is creating plays making triple doubles while scoring..
And dont even come with the DEFENCE lie...
SIXERS team is good so good that the beat DALLAS without EMBIID and last season beat DENVER without EMBIID...
im with Shaq on this
The fact that they feel Timberwolves dont hve a better team than Mavs is insane
Yeah their whole argument was “Mavs have a better number 2 guy in Kyrie”. Yeah but what about number 3, 4, 5, 6…😆
@@italo_scemo9202 exactly I’m sitting here like .. they act Kyrie on your team means automatic championship .. so why doesn’t he have 9 rings 🤦🏾♂️
CHARLES HE IS NOT ASKING THIS YEAR! HE IS ASKING HOW MANY WILL HE WIN IN HIS CAREER
I don’t understand how chuck and kenny value team standing so much in their mvp discussions. I’m with shaq on this. Russ won mvp and thunder was 6th in the west that year. Russ was ballin and deserved the recognition that year.
Have to agree with Shaq on this one, "it's singular" and even if Minnesota comes in 1st in the West, Anthony Edwards is not better than Luka and more deserving of the MVP.
Anthony Edwards is also not more valuable than Jokic or SGA.
He is currently ranked 9-10th in the MVP race.
The NBA coach of the year is rarely the coach with the best record. The MVP ain’t the best player award; it’s the most valuable player award. I’d love to see both awards
it's different story every year . if they don't like the guy they will change the criteria , they voted nash over kobe because of colorado . they voted embiid last year because he was black meanwhile kareem won mvps with losing records 50 years ago . there is 0 consistency with the regular season mvp award and it's the most fraudulent award in the nba .
@@jesuschrist-wc3rh boo 😒
@@jesuschrist-wc3rhyou right but Kobe lakers was also like 7th or 8th in standings. Shoulda went to tim Duncan honestly
So Essentially Luka should be punished for having an average team with a horrible bench and poor coaching. Shaq is right, it is most valuable PLAYER, and Shaq should know, he's seen this before...
That's not how it works lol, your team has to be winning... why do you think LeBron only started getting MVPs from 2009 onwards, despite carrying the cavs since pretty much day one??
But the people who actually vote for MVP never vote for players below 4th seed so it doesn't matter what Shaq thinks.
@@marko4713you’re right. that’s not how it works, but it’s how it should work. a guy shouldn’t win mvp over someone who is clearly better and has been better for their team, just because his team is better overall.
@@NattyCaddy i love luka i think hes a generational talent who will definitely win at least one MVP but he has to involve his teammates more. hes hogging the ball too much and just a few points up or down on his FG% can be the difference between a win and a blowout loss for the mavs, more often than not they end up losing because of it. its frustrating to watch for any mavs fan i imagine
@@marko4713 i do agree, but their roster overall isn’t that talented. he doesn’t necessarily make many bad decisions, but he drains the shot clock which leads to bad shot selections. he either takes a bad shot because the time is running down, or passes it to someone who isn’t open. he’s just gotta learn to create open looks for himself and teammates quicker. he misses a lot of shots due to the shot clock so i think his efficiency will rise if he plays at a slightly quicker pace.
The production value of their graphics is amazing. Kenny’s hair almost looks real
This is the problem with players who is good from the start they will take you for granted even youre very consistent
Y'all debating who the MVP when's there's one clear choice, Joker!!
Ant man or Tatum
@@realamerican8069really Tatum...really...ant man still not on that level...he is great too...
@@realamerican8069 dawg, Tatum isn't that guy. Ant is a much better candidate. Tatum just sinks, that warriors loss is proof of that. That finals, do you honestly think Luka or Ant will sink the way Tatum did?
I actually agree with Shaq, there's no way Ant should get MVP over Luka
If you choose between 2 teams, winning team have 5 good players and losing team have a elite team up with below average player, then the elite player don't deserve credit for keeping their team in competition if lose by few points?
Why doesnt ernie and the TNT crew interview the most expertise person on what MVP actually means and what do the voters really look at for shaq and the rest of the guys to finally find out what it is. TNT U GOTTA DO IT
I agree with shaq on this, it’s an individual award. It shouldn’t have to do with how well they’re team is doing.
Shaq gonna argue and be wrong errytime 😂
So Scott Pollard got his heart? ❤
Poor Ernie, he just wanted a simple answer to his question.
NO ONE is Playing BETTER than JOKER This Year..PERIOD!!!!
no one answered the actual question :D
Shaq did wym he said 1 soon as Earnie asked
Shaq answered like 3 times lol
Based on this years mvp race, the nba should really take a step back and look at this thing, is it a best player award or a best player on a winning team award? There should be no reason why Luka does not win mvp, he’s the best player in the world, putting up insane numbers, but Tatum is over him because of his teams record, the mvp award voting process needs to be evaluated
The actual MVP race at the moment is:
1. Jokic
2. SGA
3.Giannis
Luka and Tatum are fighting for 4th spot
Ant is maybe 9-10th.
everyone can statpad in bad teams
like kevin lowe in wolves
or brad beal in wizards
Kobe won 1 MVP. You Luka fans are really annoying. Stop crying.
The missing factor for Luka is leadership. He doesn’t have that quality yet.
I think 1 or 2 MVP agree with shaq but also agree with chuck mavs needs 2 be top 4 for that 2 happened
Ant winning MVP, Chuck can’t actually be serious with that. He’s got to just be tired
If he holds the #1 seed and averages 35 a game for a straight month with his defense he played tonight. Absolutely
@@antmj2335 big If. He’s a great player but I don’t see that happening. What I could see more likely happening is the Wolves falling behind the Clippers in the standings and still being a top 4 seed.
@@antmj2335facts! Ant man is a better player offensively and defensively!
@@joshahlstrom2764 thats definitely whats gon happen kat is a big loss
@@antmj2335 ur definitely a delusional wolves fan even if he did average 35 for a month straight which he won’t he’s still not winning mvp
Best and most valuable aren't always the same thing.
MVP is singular
How? It’s most valuable lol how are you valuable if your team is losing? There’s only value in winning, hence team standings should always matter
I agree, you wouldn't want someone on a team that won just 10 games taking home mvp@@ssk58607
@@ssk58607Idiot. Luka is more valuable to his team than people like Anthony Edwards. If you remove Luka from Mavs, they're one of the worst NBA teams of all time.
this is the problem with the most fraudulent award in the nba aka the regular season mvp . it's always a different criteria one day nash wins it over kobe while averaging 15 points because he's top seed and another day jokic wins it as a 6seed because he has good stats. well which one is it? nba should just revamp this award or just get rid of it and make it a all of season mvp award (including playoffs)
Too many fools share the same opinion as you when in reality it never works that way unless that team is really poor and that one guy able to get them enough wins to be a relevant team. Just like Russ did in 2017 with Morrow, Roberson, Kanter, Adams, Singler while dragging them to that 6th seed; and Jokic did without Jamal on that 2022 season (before Gordon & KCP got there) and also dragging them to that 6th seed.
That's the only cases I can think of where such anomaly happened. Other than that, it's pretty much players with great stats and/or impact to their teams while that team ended up being a higher seeds (1-3 seeds).
shaq can just never accept being wrong
Shaq has changed his opinion on Luka so much. He used to never give him any respect so interesting to see Shaq actually defend Luka here
NBA and Chuck have the right idea. The team needs to be a contender. In MLB, anyone can get MVP. Mike Trout has 3 and the Angels were contenders in none of those, oftentimes they would finish dead last in their division. That tells fans: the Angels could not have gotten to last place without Trout. SMDH.
All the emphasis on naming a particular player discourages the unselfish teamwork that's essential to really good basketball. Instead of trying one's best to help the team win, the MVP-seeking player is motivated to pad his stats.
Shaq’s actually right on this one
The MVP debatte is probably the best discussion topic in sports history. You never get tired of it with your friends for hours
I say 1. If the Mavericks get consistent and stay in the Top 3 of the conference he could be a multi-MVP winner like Jokic.
Ernie: “how many mvps do you think luka will win throughout his year”
Chuck: “if Minnesota finishes with the best record”
brother just answer Ernie’s question man😭😭
MVP. Is how your MVP player effecting winning. Simple as that.
Shaq- always talks about individual, winning mvp is never just an individual awards. Its how your MVP player impact his stats and winning in both ways.
Many superstar caliber and many all star caliber. Which is determined by its stats and marketability.
Mvp is individual stat + impact to winning. Is the Most valuable player in producing Wins for the team.
My opinion: mvp convo is jokic, antman, tatum, sga, mitchell,
Most valuable player is based on the player having the best performance that elevates his team Nash earned his two M V P awards.
Jokic won an MVP while having his team as the 6th seed. Come on now, Chuck?!! Yes, Luka will eventually win an MVP.
Ain’t no way they think Ant should win it. If you don’t wanna give it to Luka for the record, there are Jokic, Shai and Giannis who deserve it more than Ant
I agree with Shaq MVP is who the best fr
SGA is this years MVP. Carrying a team full of youngsters to the best record in the west averaging over 30!
This bit is actually just ernie discretely asking the squad who he should vote for this year
60/40 sliding scale towards Shaqs point
Most valuable player can also understood as most important or impactful player of that league. Without Luka, Mavs would have been bottom 3.
To answer Ernie’s question 😅 at least two MVPs for Luka.
No one answered the question but Shaq for 2 seconds. Luka can win at least 2 yes if his team is in a better position. But if we do look at it as individual award it be between Luka, Joker, LeBron and Joel
In theory it should be harder to win mvp on a winning team, unless you single handedly carried your team having a better team around you means you are comparatively less valuable not more.
Bro nobody is Better than Luka right now.
Whether it’s fair or not, the MVP has traditionally come from a successful team. It’s just a fact, it doesn’t always go to the best player.
Luka is a very very good individual basketball player, winning qualities..not so much.
Chuck has a point but at the same time he has to play that way..I don’t think it’s good or right to blame your teammates…but watch the recent Celtics game he was getting people open looks and they were missing so he started taking it into his own hands..and when they subbed him out I think it was the second quarter…the mavs just unraveled and after two offensive possessions they had to bring him back in..most valuable player? Yeah not a question…Tatum is doing amazing but his team does good when his out..SGA is a beast but his team does fine when he’s out.
Gotta agree with Shaq on this one
Pretty sure Chuck was trying to say he doesn't see the team getting good enough in the future for Luka to get enough MVP votes. Why people saying he didn't answer?
That perspective lacks foresight. Luka is 25. He can be among the league's best players for the next 7-8 years. A lot can change on rosters in that time.
@@jdankerdake while that is true, assuming he stays in Dallas I don't think it's that crazy to say. Dallas has not been the greatest in acquiring talent and Luka will keep them good enough to not get great draft picks. He's playing with Kyrie who's known to be great next to a ball dominate type player and they still aren't winning enough games
@@TheDenacLuka aint staying around another 3 years if nothing changes.
@@TheDenac Kyrie has missed a lot of games with injuries. I think Dallas will be dangerous in the playoffs if Luka and Kyrie are healthy and the rest of the role players learn to play a lick of defense lol
without luka that team is the same place as the spurs and wizards. he’s the MVP.
4:10 those where some tiny shorts back then 😂
Amazing how much okc has turned around
Ernie: How many MVPs will Luka win?
Chuck: blah blah blah
Ernie: Let me repeat the question, how many MVPs will Luka win?
Luka is more cold blooded than any of the mvp candidates. He’s a monster with mamba mentality
1:33
I agree with Shaq
Title should be “Ernie asks how many MVPs Luka will finish his career with while the other guys debate something entirely different.”
An MVP should carry a franchise to conference finals
they argue about this every single year and its funny every time LOL
Luka must learn to play without the basketball. Chuck is spot on with his analysis.
By this logic Wemby should never be near ROY
Luka is actually elevating his team like no other player other than Jokić. He has Kyrie and a bunch of role players who never won anything. And it's not like he's on a lottery team. Dallas is 7 games over .500 and 2.5 games behind the 5th seed. If they are a top 6 seed by the end of the year, he should be a top 3 candidate with Jokić and SGA, followed by Giannis, Tatum and Ant.
The idea of Tatum being ahead of Luka just because he has an All Star lineup and a better system around him is crazy. People are overcomplicating the term most valuable player and are getting caught in the team success too much.
Media talking about Lukas consecutive triple doubles in 4 or 5 games but he lost 3 of these games. He will never win a ring playing like that. Btw, Just give my man Jokic his 3rd MVP already.
Kobe patted Luka in the back, learned slovenian just to prank him. And knowing what kind of person and player Kobe is, says alot about Luka, heck LeJames did not get that special of a treatment from Kobe.
Shaq is right. most Valuable Team is called champ not MVP.
Luca is gonna have the same issues ppl had when MJ played… unless he takes his team to the Finals, he isn’t gonna out MVP Jokic. Jokic does way too much on the stat sheet that Luca doesn’t. Until Joker has a bad season, or Embid has a bad season or injury, Luca won’t win it. Kyrie doesn’t help because he allows his opponent to score as much as he does, thereby canceling out all those points the Mavs “stand around” and watch him score. Luca needs a Gordon or a AD, someone who can score AND defend.
These old dudes hating, the guy is the best player in nba.
Shaq always misunderstands what the MVP award is for. It's not for the best player in the league. It's for the player who had the most impact and the best season on a top performing team. This is why Shaq will always be salty that Steve Nash beat him twice for the award.
So last year that Giannis was the best player on the team with the best record, these guys all campaigned for Embiid, who only had slightly better numbers than Giannis, but was like 5th seed. But now, Luka suddenly needs to have a better record to be even considered, and the MVP should be the best team's most valuable guy (Tatum-Ant)....well make up your mind then
Over the next 5 seasons, the only MVP winners will be Nokic, SGA, Giannis, Wemby or Luka and Embiid if he can ever play more than 65 games.
chuck is just trying to say that the mavericks are ALWAYS at the bottom of the playoff picture.
1 less than what Shaq said only because his team won’t be a top 4 seed for the next 7 years. That’s what I’d say the window is for him to get one. He’ll constantly put up those great offensive numbers, but without the team success, they won’t give it to him.
I don’t think Chuck nor Kenny paid attention to Ernie’s question 😂
Shaq’s right, it’s an individual award, it’s most valuable player not most valuable team, yes you have to consider team performance, but it shouldn’t be the main criteria, otherwise every Boston player is above Luka in the MVP race, if someone averaged 100 points per game and triple double on the worst team in the league and the next top scorer had 20 per game for the best team, the player with 100 per game should win MVP. Obviously I exaggerated, I know the difference is a lot smaller in real life but it still applies, Luka’s individual performances have been better than Tatum’s or Edwards’
JOEL EMBIID .. THE NBA'S MOST VALUABLE PLAYER ..
Who he beating out on MVP?
Jokic & Giannis?
Ernie saying he vote for MVP in the middle of a near fist fight while laughing is hilarious.
2-3 yrs ago the suns were #1 all season and booker was never in the conversation lol
These guys a knuckle heads. The question was in his career. My god.
Feel like the Mavs will be hovering around the 7th to 8th seed for years to come. Luka should go some place where he can actually win, if he wants that kind of recognition.
He won't win anywhere as long as keeps being a ballhog and taking 25 to 30+ shots per game.
If not this year I dont know when Luka could possivly win it. Hes averaging a triple double or close to it.
Shaq.. those were Kobe’s mvps 😂, but Kobe never once said nash stole it .. chill big fella 😂
Mvp is an individual award chuck come on
DROSE wasn’t better than LeBron when he won his MVP…but because he had a better record he won..
I usually agree w Chuck but Ant over Luka is WILD
I can get shaq's case of MVP being individual award but in the NBA the assumption of having great numbers in a bad team means your supporting cast is so bad you had to chuck up alot of shots. Alot of dudes who averaged 20+ on bad teams and then averaged less than 15 when they went to a better team. Not saying that this is the case with Luka but its what the voters assume that Luka's numbers would dip a little on a much better team.
Shaq's answer was 1. He still mad about Nash's 2.
Only Shaq answered Ernie’s question!