*Sheik two weeks ago* "I think you need a lot of schmix to succeed with this character...you need to be able to feel when combos aren't true and schmix up off of that." *Sheik now* "It's just combos." tbh both of these are correct depending on the vibe that day
Well l mean, the first part was in the context of _is sheik low middle or high iq?_, whereas the context of the second part was _compared to all the other high iq characters, how difficult is sheik?_ Those are totally different ballparks
@@Sponsie1000 I actually don't disagree with the placement in this video too much. Sheik is a pretty straight forward character. Strategy: Win neutral about 3x more often than your opponent with top tier frame data and maximize reward in advantage. BUT, the hard part is getting those neutral wins, as frame data surprisingly doesn't take you as far as you'd think in Ultimate. Every character and their mom has incredible moves with surprisingly minimal startup/endlag, Sheik isn't that special, she just has the most moves with the least startup/endlag of most chars. Basically, Sheik should be low on this list but not because "it's just combos" but instead because "it's just *neutral*" more than anything.
These people talking about having a big brain, but KRool's brain in his Belly. Not Only does KRool have one of the biggest bellies in the game, he was the only one big-bellied enough to think of protecting his brain with armor. HE MAD MUNCHING BEANS TO FEED HIS BRAIN
Snake is my favorite character to fight against by far. If they know what they’re doing, even vaguely, the match is like constantly evolving in a way that is entirely unique to snake match ups and it’s incredible
ZSS is actually harder than pika fight me, I played both for about the same time and pika's neutral is brain dead, its straight up just spamm neutral b, ZSS has to work in neutral, on top of that ZSS got huge compexity on comboes, ZSS has a lot of perfect spacing going on, pika has less of that. ZSS is litterally if you miss your execution you get killed, and considering how inconsistent nair flip kick, up b and comboes out of zair are, zss is defenetly harder than pikachu. marss was right! however pikachu is indeed very hard. just less than ZSS.
Pikachu isn't very hard. They are att top level where you need to optimize combos, so I guess it's fine for top players discussing, but at anything less than that you can just press b in neutral, spam back air and call it a combo, and it works.
sheik simple?! you have to fish in neutral for kill confirms to take stocks, that means conditioning among other things. the fact that everyone unanimously agreed is messedddd
Damn I'm really surprised they agreed to rate pikachu that high. He's got a projectile that plays neutral for him, amazing grab game, killing dash attack, low profiles on all of his aerials, doesn't even have to think about parries because all of his moves are unparriable multihits, extremely free disadvantage and recovery, bair out of shield He's not that big brained. He's not easy, but being hard doesn't mean you have to think very much
hey wanna know somethin funny? Esam ZSS placement (11.0): 19 Marss ZSS placement (10.0): 13 there was the nerf but that did pretty much nothing according to Marss Masher btw
There are so many characters that I see pop up on the screen on online play and I'm like "Really... a *insert character name here*", but I love playing against Snake.
I feel bad for Marss because Zero Suit is actually really hard to play, also Greninja’s dash attack is super punishable, you gotta bait and punish like a God
Pichu is harder than fox and pika, hardest aggro character to use. Pika and fox have free win buttons, Pichu doesn't, plus all of his shit is fake and untrue
Zss is one of the hardest characters to play imo Pika is one of the easiest to be good with if you have good fundamentals I find. You might not be esam with the quick attacks but it's Hella easier than zss
Galaxy brain Ganondorfs are the ones that do more than down tilt after side b, bait you into trying to gimp them then get you with a reverse up b, and use jabs to set up a sheild break.
Facts ☝🏽 if shiek, fox, and pika are on this list, zss should be too. I actually think she is potentially harder than the other 3, because she doesn’t have grab combos in ultimate. Plus nair flip kick or fair 1 flip kick is not guaranteed and is not easy to do. Unlike say nair bouncing fish or fair bouncing fish. Which is significantly easier to do. Shiek, fox, and pika’s kits also flow really nice and moves connected with each other smoothly. Zss’ kit has a pretty decent flow once you understand it, but her moves don’t connect into each other too well, which I think, also makes her harder to play.
@@lval7778 yeah of course you're right. But the question was if I play like a masher or a billy wasn't it? So I answered that my main is a masher and my secondary is a billy.
When Snake stops thinking, he destroys you with his absolutely busted normal moves. None of his special moves are remotely mandatory to use beyond 'just press B to pull out a grenade when you can'.
Not really. Hes pretty bad if he only uses aerials and tilts. Hed be too predictable, slow, and unsafe tilts, low combo ability, low juggle ability, low edge guard ability, while also having a way worse disadvantage state if he didn’t use his projectiles.
@@NVS_Snake The only reason I was skeptical of Snake being at the very top was because of up tilt, but seeing your other comments about Snake I agree with
@@NVS_Snake I can understand snake being far more than just a two button character but with his up tilt alone being so strong and fast I personally can’t think of him as being near the top of the hardest to play characters
It took me awhile to get used to zss movement and still at times have issues. I really enjoy playing her but cant do it if im playing lazy. All the people i got to play her did for a short period and stopped because she was difficult to learn for them. I thought she was big brain before i played her.
Looking for your low-IQ main? Here’s some timestamps!
Duck Hunt - 9:36
Hero - 7:57
Ice Climbers - 8:33
King K Rool - 10:03
Mega Man - 10:55
Pikachu - 13:12
Rosalina - 12:49
Sheik - 7:41
Shulk - 13:12
Snake - 15:13
Sheeesh calling these guys out
Thank you I really needed this 😂
Thank you so much for the King K. Rool timestamp, the placement of him in the list is definitely accurate.
@Carmine Copp Uhh ackchyually it's high fundamental gameplay, and it's not mashing, it's called applying pressure
@@RickRossVSCrocodiles yes but no my boi
Actually à lot of k.rool players r just kidz but some r galaxy genius 🧠🧠🧠🧠
*Sheik two weeks ago*
"I think you need a lot of schmix to succeed with this character...you need to be able to feel when combos aren't true and schmix up off of that."
*Sheik now*
"It's just combos."
tbh both of these are correct depending on the vibe that day
Well l mean, the first part was in the context of _is sheik low middle or high iq?_, whereas the context of the second part was _compared to all the other high iq characters, how difficult is sheik?_ Those are totally different ballparks
@@Sponsie1000 I actually don't disagree with the placement in this video too much. Sheik is a pretty straight forward character. Strategy: Win neutral about 3x more often than your opponent with top tier frame data and maximize reward in advantage.
BUT, the hard part is getting those neutral wins, as frame data surprisingly doesn't take you as far as you'd think in Ultimate. Every character and their mom has incredible moves with surprisingly minimal startup/endlag, Sheik isn't that special, she just has the most moves with the least startup/endlag of most chars.
Basically, Sheik should be low on this list but not because "it's just combos" but instead because "it's just *neutral*" more than anything.
@@InducedPhobia just hold forward and press a
Next can we please get a shimmy tier list
Trueeee
People are still too trash to even shimmy lol
Eh thats just a marss thing to do on his channel rather than panda xD
Yessss
Peach would be #1 lol
"That is true, I don't lose to Ike"
_"Must be nice-..."_
Poor Marss got his main bullied, he let it be him
but snake tho 👀
WaDi every video:
Mashers all the way
@Carmine Copp wtf 💀💀
Yessiirr
@Carmine Copp TRUE THO
These people talking about having a big brain, but KRool's brain in his Belly. Not Only does KRool have one of the biggest bellies in the game, he was the only one big-bellied enough to think of protecting his brain with armor. HE MAD MUNCHING BEANS TO FEED HIS BRAIN
TRUE!
FACTS!
WaDi and ESAM getting on Marss for trying to put ZSS's broken ass in big head is the highlight of this video lmaoo
Yeah, but nobody taking about how Esam said Pika is harder when he loses at most 5 matchups in the entire game 💀.
@@ascarmen42 5 is generous
@@ascarmen42 Losing only 5 MUs doesn't mean the character is easy to play
My boy did it, I’m proud of you son
Thanks father!!
What
@@lval7778 Hideo designed Snake
I'm on team Panda intern, personally
Snake is my favorite character to fight against by far. If they know what they’re doing, even vaguely, the match is like constantly evolving in a way that is entirely unique to snake match ups and it’s incredible
Lets go Mashers!!
Let’s go!!
@@PandaGlobal I mashed the subscribe button so by that logic, Team Mashers all the way
I’m a masher all the way
Mashers ftw
We thought that we were done, I couldn’t be happier now. I can’t wait for the stupidest of the stupidest characters.
Marss having a temper tantrum trying to defend ZSS is so funny
Billy reporting in. This Wadi/Marss rivalry I've been seeing is quite fun. Esam makes a good wildcard too.
I like hearing Esam talk about the war crimes the others committed on him. ( like wadi beating him without a switch)
I can't tell if they're being sarcastic about K Rool or not
They are
@@plank2867 nah
To me, definitely not, they went in on why he requires a big brain in the Ult newcomers overview and they did the same here.
Theyre joking. We all know K Rool is like a top 3 easiest character
Nope lol
ZSS is actually harder than pika fight me, I played both for about the same time and pika's neutral is brain dead, its straight up just spamm neutral b, ZSS has to work in neutral, on top of that ZSS got huge compexity on comboes, ZSS has a lot of perfect spacing going on, pika has less of that. ZSS is litterally if you miss your execution you get killed, and considering how inconsistent nair flip kick, up b and comboes out of zair are, zss is defenetly harder than pikachu. marss was right! however pikachu is indeed very hard. just less than ZSS.
Pikachu isn't very hard. They are att top level where you need to optimize combos, so I guess it's fine for top players discussing, but at anything less than that you can just press b in neutral, spam back air and call it a combo, and it works.
Bruh ZSS actually hella hard. Lol
Wish Falcon could go up a bit tho. :(
Right they don't even play the character my g and marss actually does
Bro that Among us sound effect when the Mewto moved HAHAHAHA
I love this series ! So fun to see them debating with each other.
Hype tier list next ?
sheik simple?! you have to fish in neutral for kill confirms to take stocks, that means conditioning among other things. the fact that everyone unanimously agreed is messedddd
Lol everyone mad at my man King K. Rool's placement, stay mad. Webos. Every time I land a skillful down smash I feel my brain power expanding
That made me laugh
i know nobody asked but for anyone wondering the music that starts at 6:05, it's the online menu theme from castle crashers.
Best profile pic. YN is goated
@@lambchu6459 yessir
AYEEEEEEEE. Thank you Panda for listening to my comment on the 64 galaxy brain video ☺️
As a snake main I really appreciate the compliment :)
Finally
My boy kirby on the thumbnail
Damn I'm really surprised they agreed to rate pikachu that high. He's got a projectile that plays neutral for him, amazing grab game, killing dash attack, low profiles on all of his aerials, doesn't even have to think about parries because all of his moves are unparriable multihits, extremely free disadvantage and recovery, bair out of shield
He's not that big brained. He's not easy, but being hard doesn't mean you have to think very much
hey wanna know somethin funny?
Esam ZSS placement (11.0): 19
Marss ZSS placement (10.0): 13
there was the nerf but that did pretty much nothing according to Marss
Masher btw
There are so many characters that I see pop up on the screen on online play and I'm like "Really... a *insert character name here*", but I love playing against Snake.
Same
I tend to beat every Snake I fight. Its pretty fun working around his bombs then juggling him. Especially when I know they are mixing up. Pretty fun
I feel bad for Marss because Zero Suit is actually really hard to play, also Greninja’s dash attack is super punishable, you gotta bait and punish like a God
I subbed and the doctors discovered that a brain tumour was responsible for my rapid brain expansion, thank you panda
say it with me, i'm a masher and i'm proud!
As a proud hero main i can say crit is the biggest brain play
im a proud billy :)
Who is playing the DS in Marss' background?
Probably his girlfriend Rachel
Poor (I think) Rachel in the background of Marss just tryna sleep in peace.
I would hope it’s Rachel
But you never know
I’m a billy!
honestly the snake thing is so true just watch Samsora vs Shogun at konga saga that snake game play is just some thing else
After Marss saying Peach isn’t that difficult, I’m very happy where the boys placed ZSS. In the tier that’s “not that difficult”.
"Hey this should be great!"
Sees hero in galaxy brain
Rool too lmao
Now we need them to make the smash ultimate sick list, rating every character by how much sauce they have
Marss is officially trolling once he says "K rool is hardest" right after ZSS is knocked out of the bracket.
*ignores pichu but pika is in the discussion, while pichu is harder to use*
Nah
Pichu is harder to win with, but his moveset isn't as complex as pikas imo.
Pichu is harder than fox and pika, hardest aggro character to use. Pika and fox have free win buttons, Pichu doesn't, plus all of his shit is fake and untrue
Wait this is the conclusion? That’s amazing a series can be extended like this.
So torn between choosing a Masher or Billy allegiance...
The Adventures of Billy Masher: The E-Fam program.
I'm a billy. I've always been a Billy since 2 minutes ago
I'm vibing with WaDi about Shulk. Get him down from there before he gets hurt.
Zss is one of the hardest characters to play imo
Pika is one of the easiest to be good with if you have good fundamentals I find. You might not be esam with the quick attacks but it's Hella easier than zss
All my krool mains out here, we be the biggest of the biggest brains
Yes sir, we can now be proud of ourselves for having the biggest brains in smash ultimate :D
Rool gang all the way baby! Eating beans til the end of time!
Genius krok gang
6:59, Sounds of Marss's disappointment.
Galaxy brain Ganondorfs are the ones that do more than down tilt after side b, bait you into trying to gimp them then get you with a reverse up b, and use jabs to set up a sheild break.
Mashing Billys, assamble!
I can't even belive how smart I am.
I know right
@@PrettyKoolCrocodile you really are everywhere aren't you
@@xerlidales6401 Yes
I am part of the Emashbillys
They cut out the rest of jiggly puffs final smash knowing that every subscribers brain shrinks after awhile
That's for the unsubs
im a billy and im proud
As a Shulk main I'm glad the other two weren't taking Wadi's remarks about Shulk seriously.
(Efam by the way).
ZSS is simple:
The amount of ZSS' doing smt in competetive: 1
*3
@@sakshambhardwaj8008 psssst it was meant as joke reffering marss is the best 🙂👍
There actually might be only 1 Pika on the PGR.
WaDi defending Plant??? Wow
Imagine not being a Billy
Where steve tho? I saw that 2 channels focusing on insane steve clips and steve techs going up recently
Come On Billy's where yall at!
Panda telling us that our brains exploding outta our heads is reason enough to subscribe.
They're spitting facts!✊😤
2:17 yea my boi
Im not a masher. Im the goddamned CEO of Glue Eater Incorporated
Now nobody will ever tell me my K Rool is dumb anymore lol
Yay! :)
I have mained both zero suit and joker and i can say that zero suit is a way harder character to play YOU NEED GIGA BRAIN for garbage girl
Facts ☝🏽 if shiek, fox, and pika are on this list, zss should be too. I actually think she is potentially harder than the other 3, because she doesn’t have grab combos in ultimate. Plus nair flip kick or fair 1 flip kick is not guaranteed and is not easy to do. Unlike say nair bouncing fish or fair bouncing fish. Which is significantly easier to do. Shiek, fox, and pika’s kits also flow really nice and moves connected with each other smoothly. Zss’ kit has a pretty decent flow once you understand it, but her moves don’t connect into each other too well, which I think, also makes her harder to play.
I just got my panda esports Jersey and I love it thanks PANDA!!!!!
mashers dine only the finest selection of glue and crayons
I am only a Billy and proud of it.
I'm a masher but not a masher.
can’t believe Peach was not in the galaxy brain
Marss still playing by far the hardest character of the 3 of them highkey
@PurplPars Definitly not harder than zss. Pika is easier to pick up and also easier to master than zss. 100%
It would be pretty epic if you made them play pokken tournament
i like the sux under zss in the thumbnail
Best Combo Characters tier list next :)
Lmao just woke up and saw panda posted let’s gooo
Your first 👏
Billy gang
My Pac-Man's definitely a masher, but my DK's actually pretty billy
No Pac-Man is a character Wadi would play and Marss plays monkey so your Pac-Man is billy and monkey is masher
@@lval7778 yeah of course you're right. But the question was if I play like a masher or a billy wasn't it? So I answered that my main is a masher and my secondary is a billy.
Oh okay
7:07 poor marss, they cappin
you know, I suggested one big list of every character last episode but this also works
every one of these has been a banger
I'm personally a masher myself
The ultimate masher if you will
I have never been outmashed ever
I’m a billy full send
When Snake stops thinking, he destroys you with his absolutely busted normal moves. None of his special moves are remotely mandatory to use beyond 'just press B to pull out a grenade when you can'.
You just salty you can't beat a dumb snake cuz u bad
“Complex gameplay” I have seen from snake is dash attack 8 times in a row
Not really. Hes pretty bad if he only uses aerials and tilts. Hed be too predictable, slow, and unsafe tilts, low combo ability, low juggle ability, low edge guard ability, while also having a way worse disadvantage state if he didn’t use his projectiles.
@@NVS_Snake The only reason I was skeptical of Snake being at the very top was because of up tilt, but seeing your other comments about Snake I agree with
@@NVS_Snake I can understand snake being far more than just a two button character but with his up tilt alone being so strong and fast I personally can’t think of him as being near the top of the hardest to play characters
[10 story building of text with no likes explaining why my main piranha plant is takes a massive brain to pull off]
I press the buttons on my controller with my forehead
not thinking pacman is big brained just because he's broken is not very big brained, there's a lot of this in this
Well, being a Roy main, so... Masher it is.
Also, Marss is kinda hilarious
Ridley main, kinda happy they didn’t demote him lol
Billy
BRO MARIO STRIKERS CHARGED PAUSE MENU BACKROUND LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Billy's are the best around and everyone knows it.
Masher, I am incapable of rational thought
I like fox and respect fox players a lot, but people dont talk enough about how free his tomohawk mixup is to use. requires little to no conditioning.
It took me awhile to get used to zss movement and still at times have issues. I really enjoy playing her but cant do it if im playing lazy. All the people i got to play her did for a short period and stopped because she was difficult to learn for them. I thought she was big brain before i played her.
Billy gang
Hi wadi
Big head
Galaxy brain and
BUSCH'S BEST BAKED BEANS BABY
As a K Rool main, Pikachu/Snake secondary, I appreciate this list a lot
They are kidding about KRool. Sorry. But hey Snake is definitely deserving of being up there
Agreed
Fitting that ganon’s in purgatory when I main that character