Here’s my episode on the fall of Todd Gurley: ruclips.net/video/wbnXxu4ZkUg/видео.html Do you think there’s any way he comes back and produces like the old him in 2021?
His arm strength wasn’t there as he still favored his leg coming off of injury. He was still playing too soon. Then took all the heat for the team losing despite the defense not playing well. Same situation happened with Cousins initially Jay Gruden backs Cousins where he ripped RG3 a new one. Players are not going to want to play hard for a player the coach has no desire to help. As far as ego all QBs have an ego. It’s designed that way by default.
In the right scheme, yes. He's still got it, he just had a horrid O Line and Goff was horrible in 2019, and in 2020, he fell victim to Dirk Koetter being an abysmal OC who didn't utilize his strengths
He got hurt in the pocket and on a non-contact play where a bad snap and going for the lose ball tore his muscle and he just collapsed. Sure, he didn't slide as often as he should have, but the big injuries were not from him not sliding.
@@PaulGaither I was half kidding, but not everyone had his speed. I'd imagine it's hard to learn to slide at the pro level if you'd never practiced it before
That 2012 season for the Redskins was magical and will go down as one of my favorite seasons. If RG3 never got hurt I think they would’ve gone to the Divisional Round.
I agree as well, 70k fans yelling RG3 that year. They were up 14-0 vs Seattle playoff game and they had no answers when he got hurt, all downhill from there .
GOOD for RG3 that was contracts are made for. Shanahan FAILED to build team around RG3 and 3 others QBs in San Francisco after his stint at Washington ... Shanahan FAILED TO DEVELOP QBs 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑👍👍👍👍👍
@@hi_lo574 actually it’s his own fault NOT Shannahan’s, RG3 was fantastic his rookie season but since he got hurt he decided he didn’t wanna run anymore taking away his best asset as a player and since he can’t read a defense to save his life his career has been in the shitter ever since.
Nobody’s more at fault for his career then himself, it’s like drafting a RB and after his first season he says “I’m not gonna run the ball I’m a RT now..”
@@blitzphantom9488 A good head coach could design plays to supplement the weakness . Its a 53 man rosters , relying the offense completely on the QB is foolish. Trent Dilfer won the Super Bowl in Tampa as Game Manager.
This is the best breakdown of RG3 and the offense I've ever heard. It's unfortunate that his lack of self-awareness and the owner empowering him to where he could tell the coaching staff that he wasn't running the read-option anymore were major factors in his downfall. It's still remarkable what the Shanahans did in 2012 in assentuating his strengths while keeping his flaws well-hidden with that offense.
My father passed away that year and RG3 helped me to get through them tough times and me being a redskins fan that shit was magical and that Thanksgiving game against them punkass cowboys will never be forgotten . I just hate to see how the young brothas career turned out
Me too man, I’ve always loved RG3, hell, I still do. To this day I always wonder what might have been, injures just riddled the potential he had coming of that solid rookie campaign. What also pains me is that his 2nd year wasn’t terrible either but injuries have just been the main factor that ended his career.
@@funkdocdoppelganger7720 why do you feel the need to comment this, especially if I was one of those people why would you want to talk to them? I’m not an internet dweeb, kid.
@@funkdocdoppelganger7720 You ask "are you one of those white people?", then you state "you guys are so hilarious", so obviously you feel that you know that he is one of those white people. If you know he is one of those white, then why did you ask the question?. That is nonsensical.
People still blame Shannahan. You think he willingly wanted to change the offense that had brought him so much success. If RGIII didn’t succeed was because his ability as a QB(not a runner) wasn’t that good.
Many Shanahan 49ers games were lost AFTER HALF TIME. Shanahan cant adjust nor finished the game once the opposing defense figures out his game plan at Half Time .
I think RG3 had the talent to become a drop back QB, but it had been rumored he did not put the time in. He had so many endorsements and was also not well liked by his teammates particularly his offensive line. Did not ever slide when running. Also alienated his teammates by being Daniel Snyder's BFF. He had access to Snyder's private jet which is awesome but why didn't anyone else? He said when asked how difficult was the NFL... "NFL is easy, a lot like college". 🤦🏾♂️
I'm 2 months late, but let me tell you this is one of the greatest breakdown videos I have EVER seen in sports. You have a God given talent, your research and knowledge of the game is incredible and I'm subbing to you bro, I will be tuning in from now on.
It would be tough to do. With the numerous rule changes IMHO. Up until the early 2000s. You could really hit people. Including the QB. The NFL is so soft now. It's an embarrassment to the sport. Along with the political pandering in pro sports as a whole. I quit watching every week, almost a decade ago.
RG3 did need to change his game. Clearly as he became riddled with injuries, you just can’t move the same and will have to adapt to a less run-heavy style. As we see with Tom B, superb pocket passing is the KEY to victory. Stay true to who you are but you must always be learning to stay at the top
He needed to stay who he was to stay the same player yes maybe it would have shortened his career but a lot of players would rather have a great 8-10 year career then a 12-15 year mediocre one Tim Lincecum had a violent delivery and it shortened his career but no way would he have been the great pitcher he was without it besides nothing in this world last forever.
@@davidfox9947 to an extent I agree. RG3 had maybe a 3-4 year starting career before fading into back up QB oblivion. At that rate, he did not even meet your criteria for a great, shorter career.
He just needed to learn how to slide and avoid hits, which he never did. I would argue that was his biggest problem. Even after the injury, it’s like he enjoyed running head on into linebackers.
Tom Brady got drafted when the average qb 40 time was about .2 slower than it is now. Being slow is in no way advantageous as a qb, but when your surrounded by generally unathletic qbs it can seem that way. A qb knockdown is 3 times more likely to cause an injury than a designed qb run.
@@NeverTalkToCops1 Every time Ron DeSantis says he's "standing in the way" ... in my head, I see DeSantis wearing No. 29 and everyone else wearing 22. Today the judges validated that thought.
I think RG3 could have been transformed into a pure pocket passer. He had/has one of the greatest arm talent I witnessed in 40+ years of Football. What Cunningham and Vick did, RG3 could have done too... Actually what killed his career was his knee injury... and still there was one highlight I never forget: He threw a 50 yard pass (in the air) with a mere snap of his wrist, on one leg while falling backwards in one of his lesser seasons. Unluckily he thought he need to be a running QB. If he only knew he could have killed the NFL solely with his arm. What a waste of talent...
I’m surprised this point didn’t get discussed cause the even the crazier bit about his development was that it wasn’t RG3 who thought he had to be a runner. But Mike and Kyle Shanahan themselves
That play when he went to Cleveland where he got crushed week 1 and blew up his shoulder was so typical.....he just couldn't slide! Maybe he just didn't trust that knee anymore idk.....I do wish him the best though.
I remember his dad being overly involved, looking back im sure it was him that had shit changed. And rg3 didn't argue or disagree with his pops at all because of that strict military upbringing
I wouldn't look at that as an example of what to expect from Lance. If anything look at what they did with Cousins. That's more of what they'll run though I doubt there's much of that left in the playbook. Lance isn't a brand. He's an intelligent guy. Expect to see a fully operational Kyle and Mike Shanahan. But yeah. It's going to be a ton of fun to watch this year. And for a long time to come.
Trey Lance is not NFL fast though. He's barely fast enough to be considered fast in division 2 college football. Also, you don't have a qb do the RG3 thing unless you hate that qb and fully intend to replace him. Running qb is not something that will ever work out.
@@bolbyballinger He didn't want him but he adjusted to him. He drafted Cousins because he knew he still needed a quarterback. RGKnee is still not a starter after years to learn to play NFL football. The guy just isn't capable. Shanahan was smart enough to see that before the draft. People need to stop making excuses for an overrated college football player. If he has the ability to be a pocket passer he'd be a starter by now. But one offseason quarterback training camp after another and 5 or 6 years of experience and he's a roster bubble player every year. Stop making excuses for the brand. And Lance will use running like Elway did under Shanahan. Like a quarterback that can play in the pocket. He doesn't need world class speed to be effective. He has a great arm, a brain to make smart decisions and a great offense.
@@bolbyballinger he's not goi g to run him into the ground, but a hand full of option plays, or a big scramble or 2 a game can go a long way in opening the play book, you may not think he's fast, but Usain Bolt compared to every qb he's worked with since RG3
I remember his early days in the league. They were using designed running plays for RG3 10-15 times a game. It was just a matter of time before he got hurt.
That is just ignorant. His coach did not pull him and put on cousins in that playoff game when rg was limping from an injury that he suffered in the previous week. The man had multiple seasons in which he had single-digit interceptions. For you to say that he basically had some type of mental defect is totally absurd.
This was well done. You could do a 6 part docuseries on this if you really wanted. You did a good job fitting it into a short summary. I would have never been able to be so thorough but so concise 😂
Thank you Trey!! I wish I could.. I make an episode every week and then Sunday night start it all over.. wish I could do a 6 part docuseries that would be sick!! Maybe in the future
He was the perfect backup for Lamar Jackson though - would've liked to see him step back onto the field at Baltimore with his old OC from Washington fro a few more snaps than we got to see.
Thank you! 100% Garcon was a master at running the drift concepts. I wish I had a few weeks to make this episode, there was a ton I had to leave out. RG3 talked about how badly he missed that Garcon drift route against the Cowboys that Garcon caught 3 feet behind him and took 60 yards to the house. Incredible play
@@AlexRollinsNFL if you made the team as a receiver and Peyton Manning was your qb that means you were a good route runner..Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne , garcon and all the receivers he had in Denver where good route runners
Thanks brother! Yes, unfortunately if you spend that kind of capital you're usually going to be forced to play right away. Will be interesting to see how long the 49ers are actually able to let Lance ride the pine
What an exciting player he was! His fate is truly tragic. He was never the same after that injury. It's insane to think what he could've been. Also, I like this style of "historic" videos. Great work!
What a shame, huh? I wonder what he would've been if they could've kept that same exact system and tried to slowly evolve it. We're lucky to have watched that first year at least
One thought I've had over the years is that if Washington had an offensive line that was worthy of the title, He could have done much much better. If you watch some of those games, His options were scramble or get sacked. He was supposed to step up into the pocket, when there really was no pocket.
Watch how Cousins deals with the same issue. He has one of the worst O lines in the NFL by any measure, but knows how to work with it. That was never in the cards for RGIII.
Washington fan here, 2012 RG3 was and still is my favorite football player of all-time. He made me believe anything was possible if you had enough confidence and determination in yourself. It truly sucks that his career took a major nose dive after that Playoff game. After reading a biography book about him from 2013 and seeing how everything unfolded since then, I feel Washington did him a huge disservice by keeping him in that playoff game, but that's not to say he wasn't at fault either. I feel like he became a victim of his own hype and stubbornness (an ugly side to playing a sport like football), plus I feel he let certain criticisms affect him negatively. It's all ugly viewing for me anytime I think about it. But I still love him and everything he did for me during his time in Washington. He's a perfect example of how nothing is guaranteed and that we shouldn't have high expectations on anything, regardless of how much promise someone/something has
"The zone read was never figured out" Actually, it was. In 2013 there was a huge rules change which allows defense to hit the QB in a running posture. Also, 1 year ago you (Alex) broke down the slide and scrape scheme for defenses to take this away as well. Teams don't really use the read option anymore. Rather, as Brett Kollmann broke this down about 6 months ago in his video "The Ravens Offense is an actual nightmare."
Good point on the rule change. But teams have always used the scrape exchange, it's not a new concept that was invented in 2013 post RG3 rookie year. It was really teams developing multiple answers and practicing their options rules in the offseason and modifying them to best defend RG3 specifically
@@AlexRollinsNFL - You are correct. I would argue that Colin Kaepernick was the biggest threat of them all entering 2013 after a Super Bowl run which saw him set the all time record for most yards running by a QB in any NFL game - which he still holds - and also throwing for 267 yards, which was more than Rodgers 257 in the same game. Despite not winning the super bowl, Colin was the most dangerous QB entering 2013. Too bad he was exposed as the 1 read (and sometimes zero read) QB he truly was. When the Rams trolled him by not covering either WR on one play and he still handed the ball off is an all time low-light.
@@AlexRollinsNFL there is always some catching up and adjusting. That’s why great coaches understand who they are matching up with and change and disguise what they are trying to do. That will never change. Clearly the Shanahans were never interested in developing the RG3 system at that time. It was thought to be college offense. Shanny was a west coast offense guru. And that is what he wanted to get back to.
It’s more so that there is only one way to stop the concept, which is the scrape exchange, or bringing both safeties into the box. The issue is a scrape exchange is not a defensive technique that meshes well with play action crossers or in breaking routes hence why that had such enormous sucess with l play action., and against any other type of read play, like counter bash, or inverted veer. Asking a linebacker to scrape over as soon as he sees that action is essentially selling out defensive rules for the threat of the run. When your playing truly 8 on 8 in the box with qb designed runs, there are no “answers” A linebacker has to exchange gaps as soon as he sees the read man unblocked.m, so sift action on a play action pass will simultaneously block an end man crashing out for the run, and bring the linebacker responsible for the hook curl/vert hook into the a gap. The league has been generally lucky Lamar and cam lacked the outside threats to punish 1 high coverages that they faced at a tremendous rate.
Many QB’s has success in their first season because there isn’t a lot of film for opposing teams to study. Defensive players and coaches get paid too. RG3 relied on his athleticism and probably has done so since he was young. When that athleticism was taken away from him due to injuries, he was really good. He was a single read QB and if his receiver wasn’t open, he was off running. Not being as mobile he wasn’t able to just take off running anymore. His arc is similar to Kaepernick’s, who was on his way to being a good QB, until Harbaugh decided to try and make him a pocket passer, but he lacked the ability to get through progressions, read defenses and change plays.
Stay True to who you are.Trey lance is not Kirk Cousin nor Mac Jones / Shanahan 's original pick for 2021 Draft. Shanahan will WRECK Trey Lance like he did with RG3, Jimmy G, Mullens and Beathard . Shanahan is NOT good at picking NOR Developing QBs. Trends dont lie , look at Shanahan 's past QBs he picked, Shanahan even preferred Jimmy G over the GOAT Tom Brady who could have won 6th SUPER BOWL RINGS for Jed York 49ers.
@@ZorrosRage YUP 👍 , most Running Backs only last 3 to 5 years in their carreer. The way Trey Lance plowed tru bodies like a RB is an invitation to a short career.
This coming from a Dallas Cowboys fan! When he went down with that bad knee injury. I was really disappointed. Too bad things went bad after that. I really loved watching him play! Great video!! 👍🏼
Amazing Vid!!! It’s like nowadays no one ever remembers how his decision to become a drop back passer (which he wasn’t great at) and the league becoming more familiar with the zone read contributed to his downfall just as much as the injury did. You earned a subscriber my man.
I love seeing JPP in this video, it highlights the difference between a flash in the pan and longevity. JPP+Shaq Barrett were one of the main reason they dominated the Chiefs in the SB.
Definitely think Trey lance will be what RG3 was supposed to be. He’s smarter from the pocket well in general i honestly feel and won’t be trying to run over literally everyone. Sucks how RG3s situation was handled
@@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly thats okay because now they have Aiyuk. The kid is legit. And i am praying Shanny sees what i see in Sermon instead of the RB carousel he has been using. 🎠 it is one thing to throw a change up back in there. But sometimes you have to let your RB pound the defense into mincemeat. Like the Titans do with Henry in fourth quarters...
I’ve been watching the NFL for over 50 years. Running quarterbacks don’t last long because they get hurt. I’ve seen so many of them come and go. The ones who last a long time are the ones who run when they have to.
WRONG! Casual. Vick lasted a long time; his personal problems cut short his career (still was over a DECADE)! Wilson (bad O line makes this pocket passer have to scramble a lot) : NEVER a major injury,: SB champ; over a DECADE at QB, and counting! Steve Young; Fran Tarkenton, Randall Cunningham, etc .--lasted a long time!, ...and LAMAR JACKSON: MVP, careful to avoid heavy hits since PeeWee,( irrespective of ignorant, fans LYING on his game); NEVER any major injury, (regardless of the schadenfreude of talking heads and stupid fans); he's NOT "another Kap or RG3"; (he's BETTER): more multi talented, injury free , humble and coachable! The tried trope of running QBs getting injured is a lie. Brady (ACL), Mahomes, Josh Allen , Andrew Luck, Darnold, Baker, Thiesman, Alex Smith, Carson Wentz, Sam Bradford,--too many to list here---- etc... have ALL been injured, sick, out for multiple games. Did you know that champion hurdler at Baylor, (his records still stand), turned QB, RG3, had TWO ACL surgeries during College, way BEFORE the draft!!! He had weak knees, (basically),when he was DRAFTED! FACTS. Plus, understandably, he was scared of Cousins--same draft class- taking his starting job, (ironic),and RG3 just didn't want to be out the real length of time it took to fully recover. Also, as he ADMITTED: In his arrogance, he changed the playbook, wouldn't listen to ANYONE, went over the Coaches' head, wouldn't slide trying to be tough, and had a bad attitude on the team! Yet, RG3 was around for YEARS, (it just seems short): he was just injury prone--even STANDING STILL. #getthefactsright
Not my favorite but a damm good video! You need to get picked up by the NFL network and showcase your craft there instead of watching lame replays and same content all the time. They need something fresh like the "Alex Rollins" show!
Thanks for the coverage of RG3. I think Shanahan learned from this and won't make the same mistakes with Trey Lance. ALSO they are different QBs, as is Kaepernick. Lance was pocket passing well already at NDSU.
@@AlexRollinsNFL I think Kyle is slow playing it, but is quietly very excited about what he can do in his offense with Trey Lance. We got some hints of it already in the 2021 exhibition games with Lance's roll outs, deep passes both on the same side and across his body, stepping up out of the pocket, etc., and some relatively safe runs to the edge. Also RPO/Read Option/Zone Read plays where Trey has the legitimate option to keep the ball and run. He is absolutely a legitimate run threat, and looks sturdier than Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar, etc., but you still probably would not want to risk your QB on runs very often. No one wants and RG3-like outcome for Trey. (I definitely prefer pocket movement or roll outs/step ups, vs runs for QB safety.) That all said Trey has already shown that he can get easy yards on some keepers. Just please don't get him hurt. Kyle is supremely good at option football at the NFL level and a QB like Trey creates opportunities for other receivers and ball carriers by forcing 11 on 11 football. Defenses need to cover Trey, which generally creates 1 on 1 matchups everywhere else. (An exotic defense like bear front can sort of counter a running QB, but then that should open up the passing game, etc. Kyle would know how to attack it.) Not to mention the substituting of QBs in the same series, which is fun, but probably won't last. What's most impressive about the latter is how seamlessly the offense executed with the QB substitutions. That speaks very well to their coaching and practices.
@@dogpd3 Kyle didn't run Lance nearly as much as RG3, and Purdy got hurt on a drop back pass, not running. Some of the plays against Arizona where Lance took of running were designed to be passes, not runs.
His attitude was so toxic it poisoned the team around him and no one wanted to play with him, also partly Snyders fault. It's why cousins had so much success because he was a leader who inspired his team and brought out the best in everyone
Great in depth video. I think too much of his success was his ability and need to run. Number one he should have thrown the ball more even if it was thrown away. And two, his early refusals to slide and take the hits trying to make something more than was there took a toll. On every play in the NFL there's 11 men who have the want, ability, and need to hurt you.
Thanks RC!! You're right, it was definitely something I should have added. Even on non running plays, it was shocking how many hits he took either holding the ball too long in the pocket or as you said just not throwing the ball away
Thanks for another great video! Wow, I honestly never even knew that RGIII went to Shanahan or Snyder & said he wanted to be more of a traditional pocket passer. I would imagine when he’s old & on his deathbed it’ll be his biggest regret. Oof, hurts *ME* just thinking about it & has absolutely nothing to do with me 😂
Thanks as always man!! Yeah.. RG3 went on First Take a few years ago and denied it.. but I think he was lying. As I said, there were rumors it was his parents and not him. They saw how Kirk Cousins was used in the game that RG3 sat out in 2012. Cousins wasn't asked to run so either RG3 and/or his family got mad and went to Snyder who demanded change. No bueno
RG3 said that he did not demand that? Yes, he wanted some of that but a great coach would have said let’s migrate you there year by year. No, the Shannies drafted Kirk cousins who was not ready to start any wear and lost almost every game he started. Contrast what the Ravens did while drafting Lamar and compare that situation with what RG3 inherited in Washington. That is where you will find the real truths! RG3 never had a problem with coaches before running into that coach and organization. Facts!
@@cherp7522 what? Well first off...mike didn't want to draft rg3 in the first place...second drafting cousins was smart given Rg3 is a one trick phony and has a chance of injury in his playing style ..Rg3 full of shit he went straight to the. Him and his pops and demanded it...mike has no reason to lie on this man they were trying to help him into it year by year but he ruined it
@@twondagreat8893 how was king cousins smart when you had already given up so many picks just to draft the one trick pony he did not want? He could have drafted another op player ready to play them win now? Ask Aaron Rodgers about that one. You are doing nothing more than quoting the Shanahan leaked media reports. Griffin said he did not demand such thing. They were only tolerating RG3 until they could do what they wanted to do just like all nfl coaches manage to do. Again, ask Aaron Rodgers about how that works! Shanahans record with the skins pre RG3 was dreadful!!! And when Cousins went in to start for RG3 I think with shanny he was something like 1-7! 2012 cousins was 1-0 with 4TD and 3 Int. And we all saw what he did taking over in that playoff game. The next year cousins was 0-3, 4 TDS and 7 INTs. Shanny was fired and that was smart to you!
At times, he just got lazy in going through his reads and was always looking at Pierre Garcon (his best receiver). The other teams figured that out too.
I think they will. He’s already gone this far without injury. I think he’s a bit more elusive than rg3 and knows how to slide plus big difference he’s a better thrower.
He's much different than RG3 as a runner. Yes, he doesn't slide a lot either but defense are also very rarely able to even get a hand on him. And he knows when to run out of bounds. Let's hope for the best *knocks on wood*.
Definitely sad. I don’t think you have to worry about this with Lamar. I don’t think Lamar would make the mistake of going to Steve Bisciotti & saying “hey, can you tell Coach Harbaugh that I want to be a traditional pocket passer.” Especially with RG3 as his backup! I’m sure RG3 & Lamar have had some conversations.
Thanks brother! You can see how far removed that is from becoming a drop back QB too.. it's like a totally different game. Mike Shanahan talked about how they wanted to ease RG3 into being a drop back QB over a long period of time, cause RG3 had never been a drop back QB. But in 2013 he wanted to go 0 to 100.. what a shame. I think he could have done it!
@@AlexRollinsNFL from my perspective honestly they were ahead of their time. Being prolifically fast isn't really needed as a QB. Honestly if you watch A-Rod or even Mitch Trubisky run they're not tearing of 40 you gains out running corners, but an effective 10-15 yd running threat is what makes any option scheme operationally dangerous because the defense can't call certain schemes/blitzes on their schedule throwing off the rhythm of play calling. And when gap discipline is a liability even an RG3 with a bad knee is objectively a real threat.
He had no business playing in that playoff game. Take the wildcard loss and be glad you made it. Dont waste the future ( both his and the franchise) on a team that was NOT going to the big game. He was hurt, he was young, he should have been given time to recover.
It was one of the saddest moments in NFL history. Griffin gave his all for the Redskins trying to justify his draft status and was doing everything right. His injury was fate, his coming back, should have never happened. He should have been ruled out for the season, but the owners got greedy.
I will always be a huge fan of Robert in anything he does. So much promise ruined by a team and coach, as well as a little in his camp as well. As a Washington fan, I'll always love the team, but I feel for Robert.
The reason he got injured was because he kept running so much - looks wonderful when no one is touching him but all those hits add up & eventually as the defenses learned to funnel him inside where the big LB's were waiting instead of the small DB's - an injury was just waiting to happen Snyder, if he did make the call, made the right call He HAD to develop as a passer which he failed to do
@@ramaraksha01 an injury was always possible, but the way it was handled immediately afterwards and in the long term was bad all around. Not to mention hiring the “qb guru” jay gruden was a huge mistake as well, since he clearly hated Robert from day 1. Robert made mistakes too, but there was a lot more going on then just him failing to become a drop back passer
@@adambrulport7474 Yes NFL esp is a "whom you know" league rather than "what you know" league as well as other sports The same guys canned in one job get another job almost immediately - the old boy network used liberally In other countries they call it corruption, here we call it networking I live in Chicago & for a long time we had a great special teams coach whose teams always played well - there was a coaching change and out he went! Tom Brady is the GOAT but he was also extremely lucky that he played for a coach who didn't care where you were drafted as long as you played well you got to start Not every team is like that Here in Chicago we signed a DE from Dallas because in one year he got a lot of sacks he parleyed that to get a big contract and has disappeared since, but he gets to trot out every game!
I'm a recovering Redskins fan and lived through the RGIII saga. He was the master of the read option play that NFL teams hadn't had to worry about for years, he had homerun speed, he could throw a little so that when teams tried to stack the box or they bit on the run fake he could eat them alive on the tight end post or the slot post play, and they drafted a pretty good running back way below the radar in Alfred Morris who put up 1600 yards, a 4.8 average and 13 TDs. I will also say that RGIII was not a good deep passer but he hit more than his share of lucky long passes his rookie year. But as everyone saw, there's a reason you don't let your QB run in the NFL, especially if he's a skinny kid like RGIII. And he just would not learn to protect himself by sliding at the end of a run.
I had three different RG3 jerseys. My dog is named griffin and that 2012 year as a 33 year old washington fan was and still the most electric season of many many unbearable ones.
As a WFT fan, I have always liked RG3. I think they did him dirty by not protecting him. He should have never played in that playoff game. I think had he not reinjured himself in that game. He would have been able to replicate in his 2nd season what worked so well for him his rookie season. I think his downfall was a mostly his injury, and trying to change his style of play to compensate for his knee never fully healing.
What really happened is his got swollen and then paranoid that Cousins would take his job if he rehabbed too long. Should have gotten healthy and battled it out when he got back. Shanny reworked his whole offense, which he had crafted for 20 years, to suit RG’s shortcomings as a pocket passer.
Time to clear something that’s not being mentioned after seeing these comments. Washington’s line was notoriously bad that season. RG3s injury did not occur on a designed run or read option. His protection broke down and it was a busted pass play so he had to scramble out of the pocket and ended up getting a freak accident injury
IMO, the first mistake Washington made was trading up for RG or Luck…they needed a deeper skill set team-wide, and their trade conditions impeded that development. Then, your point about Snyder’s dumb a__ order sealed RG’s fate. Such a shame to see players mismanaged.
He said that was untrue. He did want to play more pocket but not change everything to west coast like the lying Shanahans said. No one believes anything that comes out of Washington!
WFT fan for over forty years I'll tell you what happened, rg3 refused to learn how to play qb. He relied solely on his athletic ability which led to injury which still wasn't enough to change his attitude about learning the position
His career wasn’t helped by repeatedly wearing that stupid neon pink sleeve that let defenses track him in the mix. It’s not exactly painting a target on your back but it’s the closest thing I can think of that a QB might actually do. What an idiot move. His vanity got him hammered too many times. Injury seemed like an inevitable consequence. The coaching staff of the era should bear some blame too. Why they let him go onto the field like that I cannot fathom.
People forget how good that 2012 Washington offense was. Particularly how good RG3 was, because of what followed. The Washington defense was atrocious. And they were still up 14 on Russ and the legion of boom in the playoffs before he hurt his knee in that game. To me it was his arm strength and ability to flip it anywhere on the field while on the move. He was never super accurate, but he could be when he needed to be. It just worked. And Garcon knew how to go get it and make YAC. Point being, he was better with his arm than people remember. Watch the 2012 Thanksgiving TD pass to Santana Miss. Such a beautiful play/throw/catch. RG3, Morris, and Garcon we’re the perfect combo for that time and place (with Kyle Shannahan calling the plays of course). And people try to blame the Shannahans way too much. A lot of fans still won’t acknowledge Robert’s massive role in his own demise. I do put plenty of blame on Snyder and Bruce Allen. But had Robert managed to check his ego, and control his parents, he could have made the front office’s role less impactful.
Here’s my episode on the fall of Todd Gurley: ruclips.net/video/wbnXxu4ZkUg/видео.html
Do you think there’s any way he comes back and produces like the old him in 2021?
Do a video next on how RG3 and Lamar are NOT really the same and won't be the same.
His arm strength wasn’t there as he still favored his leg coming off of injury. He was still playing too soon. Then took all the heat for the team losing despite the defense not playing well. Same situation happened with Cousins initially Jay Gruden backs Cousins where he ripped RG3 a new one. Players are not going to want to play hard for a player the coach has no desire to help. As far as ego all QBs have an ego. It’s designed that way by default.
@@supadupa6891 RG3 got hurt that’s all.
LMAO
In the right scheme, yes. He's still got it, he just had a horrid O Line and Goff was horrible in 2019, and in 2020, he fell victim to Dirk Koetter being an abysmal OC who didn't utilize his strengths
What also didn’t help RG3 early on was that he refused to slide at the end of runs
He got hurt in the pocket and on a non-contact play where a bad snap and going for the lose ball tore his muscle and he just collapsed.
Sure, he didn't slide as often as he should have, but the big injuries were not from him not sliding.
@@PaulGaither True, although all the wear and tear from all the hits could've piled up
He was too fast to be able to slide 😂
@@AlexRollinsNFL - How is that any different from any other player though?
@@PaulGaither I was half kidding, but not everyone had his speed. I'd imagine it's hard to learn to slide at the pro level if you'd never practiced it before
That 2012 season for the Redskins was magical and will go down as one of my favorite seasons. If RG3 never got hurt I think they would’ve gone to the Divisional Round.
Garçon, Morris, Fletcher, Perry, Moss, even Kirk Cousins saving the day when needed, what a season !
Couldn’t agree more
they would've made the NFC championship game...
In the wild card game Washington scored two quick touchdowns early and held a 14-0 lead but then the wheels fell off.
I agree as well, 70k fans yelling RG3 that year. They were up 14-0 vs Seattle playoff game and they had no answers when he got hurt, all downhill from there .
On the bright side, he’s stuck around in the league longer than most expected him to, and is still collecting checks as a backup.
GOOD for RG3 that was contracts are made for.
Shanahan FAILED to build team around RG3 and 3 others QBs in San Francisco after his stint at Washington ... Shanahan FAILED TO DEVELOP QBs 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑👍👍👍👍👍
@@hi_lo574 actually it’s his own fault NOT Shannahan’s, RG3 was fantastic his rookie season but since he got hurt he decided he didn’t wanna run anymore taking away his best asset as a player and since he can’t read a defense to save his life his career has been in the shitter ever since.
Nobody’s more at fault for his career then himself, it’s like drafting a RB and after his first season he says “I’m not gonna run the ball I’m a RT now..”
Yep! people underrate the backup QB position too.. you can't make it by just pulling an Alex Moran. RG earned it every year
@@blitzphantom9488 A good head coach could design plays to supplement the weakness .
Its a 53 man rosters , relying the offense completely on the QB is foolish.
Trent Dilfer won the Super Bowl in Tampa as Game Manager.
This is the best breakdown of RG3 and the offense I've ever heard. It's unfortunate that his lack of self-awareness and the owner empowering him to where he could tell the coaching staff that he wasn't running the read-option anymore were major factors in his downfall. It's still remarkable what the Shanahans did in 2012 in assentuating his strengths while keeping his flaws well-hidden with that offense.
Thank you Landis! Yes quite sad
My father passed away that year and RG3 helped me to get through them tough times and me being a redskins fan that shit was magical and that Thanksgiving game against them punkass cowboys will never be forgotten . I just hate to see how the young brothas career turned out
Me too man, I’ve always loved RG3, hell, I still do. To this day I always wonder what might have been, injures just riddled the potential he had coming of that solid rookie campaign. What also pains me is that his 2nd year wasn’t terrible either but injuries have just been the main factor that ended his career.
As a Redskins fan, idk if I will ever get over this. And yes i said Redskins, I'm Native American and the name never should've been changed.
HTTR forever
Are you one of those white people that's always claiming to be native American ? You guys are so hilarious, LOL !
@@funkdocdoppelganger7720 why do you feel the need to comment this, especially if I was one of those people why would you want to talk to them? I’m not an internet dweeb, kid.
@@jvanek8512 Or as I now refer to them, "The Washington Football Team formerly known as Prince"
@@funkdocdoppelganger7720 You ask "are you one of those white people?", then you state "you guys are so hilarious", so obviously you feel that you know that he is one of those white people. If you know he is one of those white, then why did you ask the question?. That is nonsensical.
People still blame Shannahan. You think he willingly wanted to change the offense that had brought him so much success. If RGIII didn’t succeed was because his ability as a QB(not a runner) wasn’t that good.
People blame Shannahan for putting him back out there when he clearly was not ready to play after the Ravens game, not for changing the offense.
Many Shanahan 49ers games were lost AFTER HALF TIME.
Shanahan cant adjust nor finished the game once the opposing defense figures out his game plan at Half Time .
@@hi_lo574 no one is talking about the 49ers
@@jadenalapiscoLooking for ROOT CAUSES of injuries . Which NFL team did Shanahan's and co GO TO coach after they wreck RG3 from Washington ?
@@hi_lo574 my 49ers team, but that had nothing to do w the comment, it had to do with why the fans got upset w Shannahan
Moral of the story
"Never change a winning mechanism".
RG3 should have been given enough time to heal and then they would use him again.
Awesome video. Maybe one of my favorites you've EVER done
That means a lot Colin, thank you!!!
Shout out RG3 in his first season though people thought I was nuts taking him in Fantasy draft. They still be crying about that.
I drafted RG3 his rookie season, and picked Alfred Morris up off of waivers my first season of fantasy football.
Same. Had Bengals defense as well carried my team
That year the Bears Defense was the FF monster
I think RG3 had the talent to become a drop back QB, but it had been rumored he did not put the time in. He had so many endorsements and was also not well liked by his teammates particularly his offensive line. Did not ever slide when running. Also alienated his teammates by being Daniel Snyder's BFF. He had access to Snyder's private jet which is awesome but why didn't anyone else? He said when asked how difficult was the NFL... "NFL is easy, a lot like college". 🤦🏾♂️
I'm 2 months late, but let me tell you this is one of the greatest breakdown videos I have EVER seen in sports. You have a God given talent, your research and knowledge of the game is incredible and I'm subbing to you bro, I will be tuning in from now on.
Thank you brother! That means a lot, just wait til you see what we got coming this season!
I'd like to see a career length comparison of rushing vs non-rushing QB's.
That’s a great idea
It's out there.....outside of Cunningham and Young...mainly Young there is nothing. Vick doesn't count as his doggie crap messed up everything.
It would be tough to do. With the numerous rule changes IMHO. Up until the early 2000s. You could really hit people. Including the QB.
The NFL is so soft now. It's an embarrassment to the sport. Along with the political pandering in pro sports as a whole. I quit watching every week, almost a decade ago.
RG3 did need to change his game. Clearly as he became riddled with injuries, you just can’t move the same and will have to adapt to a less run-heavy style. As we see with Tom B, superb pocket passing is the KEY to victory. Stay true to who you are but you must always be learning to stay at the top
He needed to stay who he was to stay the same player yes maybe it would have shortened his career but a lot of players would rather have a great 8-10 year career then a 12-15 year mediocre one Tim Lincecum had a violent delivery and it shortened his career but no way would he have been the great pitcher he was without it besides nothing in this world last forever.
@@davidfox9947 to an extent I agree. RG3 had maybe a 3-4 year starting career before fading into back up QB oblivion. At that rate, he did not even meet your criteria for a great, shorter career.
He just needed to learn how to slide and avoid hits, which he never did. I would argue that was his biggest problem. Even after the injury, it’s like he enjoyed running head on into linebackers.
Tom Brady got drafted when the average qb 40 time was about .2 slower than it is now. Being slow is in no way advantageous as a qb, but when your surrounded by generally unathletic qbs it can seem that way.
A qb knockdown is 3 times more likely to cause an injury than a designed qb run.
If Derek Henry were 5'8" 170 I would still be scared of him.
So would Josh Norman!
@@NeverTalkToCops1 Every time Ron DeSantis says he's "standing in the way" ... in my head, I see DeSantis wearing No. 29 and everyone else wearing 22. Today the judges validated that thought.
He'd be tavon Austin
Ok……….
I think RG3 could have been transformed into a pure pocket passer. He had/has one of the greatest arm talent I witnessed in 40+ years of Football. What Cunningham and Vick did, RG3 could have done too...
Actually what killed his career was his knee injury... and still there was one highlight I never forget: He threw a 50 yard pass (in the air) with a mere snap of his wrist, on one leg while falling backwards in one of his lesser seasons.
Unluckily he thought he need to be a running QB. If he only knew he could have killed the NFL solely with his arm. What a waste of talent...
Agreed. But still need to have a high processing speed. He could have developed it unless he is just one of those players who consistently play scared
I’m surprised this point didn’t get discussed cause the even the crazier bit about his development was that it wasn’t RG3 who thought he had to be a runner. But Mike and Kyle Shanahan themselves
That play when he went to Cleveland where he got crushed week 1 and blew up his shoulder was so typical.....he just couldn't slide! Maybe he just didn't trust that knee anymore idk.....I do wish him the best though.
I remember his dad being overly involved, looking back im sure it was him that had shit changed. And rg3 didn't argue or disagree with his pops at all because of that strict military upbringing
facts...
My man Alex!! Right on time bro. You had to have been reading my mind. I'm like why no "what happened to RG3?". Great breakdown of the offense man!! 👌
Love to hear it!!
Just re watched his rookie year a few weeks ago,thinking of all the concepts Shanny used back then that he can use with Lance gets me really excited
Lance is going to be a TON of fun!
I wouldn't look at that as an example of what to expect from Lance. If anything look at what they did with Cousins. That's more of what they'll run though I doubt there's much of that left in the playbook. Lance isn't a brand. He's an intelligent guy. Expect to see a fully operational Kyle and Mike Shanahan.
But yeah. It's going to be a ton of fun to watch this year. And for a long time to come.
Trey Lance is not NFL fast though. He's barely fast enough to be considered fast in division 2 college football.
Also, you don't have a qb do the RG3 thing unless you hate that qb and fully intend to replace him. Running qb is not something that will ever work out.
@@bolbyballinger He didn't want him but he adjusted to him. He drafted Cousins because he knew he still needed a quarterback. RGKnee is still not a starter after years to learn to play NFL football. The guy just isn't capable. Shanahan was smart enough to see that before the draft. People need to stop making excuses for an overrated college football player. If he has the ability to be a pocket passer he'd be a starter by now. But one offseason quarterback training camp after another and 5 or 6 years of experience and he's a roster bubble player every year. Stop making excuses for the brand. And Lance will use running like Elway did under Shanahan. Like a quarterback that can play in the pocket. He doesn't need world class speed to be effective. He has a great arm, a brain to make smart decisions and a great offense.
@@bolbyballinger he's not goi g to run him into the ground, but a hand full of option plays, or a big scramble or 2 a game can go a long way in opening the play book, you may not think he's fast, but Usain Bolt compared to every qb he's worked with since RG3
I remember his early days in the league. They were using designed running plays for RG3 10-15 times a game. It was just a matter of time before he got hurt.
Got the talent, but didn't grow mentally to accept his skill set as dual threat QB. That knee injury must have a big impact to RG3 mentally.
Agreed!
That is just ignorant. His coach did not pull him and put on cousins in that playoff game when rg was limping from an injury that he suffered in the previous week. The man had multiple seasons in which he had single-digit interceptions. For you to say that he basically had some type of mental defect is totally absurd.
@@twintwins7532 He didn't play even close to a full season more than once. Of course he had multiple with single digit INTs lol.
This was well done. You could do a 6 part docuseries on this if you really wanted. You did a good job fitting it into a short summary. I would have never been able to be so thorough but so concise 😂
Thank you Trey!! I wish I could.. I make an episode every week and then Sunday night start it all over.. wish I could do a 6 part docuseries that would be sick!! Maybe in the future
One of the best NFL analysis channels on the tube! Keep doing good work my man
Thank you brother!! Always grinding
He was the perfect backup for Lamar Jackson though - would've liked to see him step back onto the field at Baltimore with his old OC from Washington fro a few more snaps than we got to see.
I agree, and I think he helped Lamar a lot. Although RG was pretty brutal in that steelers game.. was raining pretty hard though
If he was the prefect backup, what was RGJackass cut????????
@@iamtoothewalrus Susceptibility to injuries - the knee kept failing.
I absolutely love your videos, Alex. Another exceptional breakdown!
Thanks Kinny!! Thanks for the love
A very well told story. Sidenote: Pierre Garcon's speed was way underestimated.
Thank you! 100% Garcon was a master at running the drift concepts.
I wish I had a few weeks to make this episode, there was a ton I had to leave out. RG3 talked about how badly he missed that Garcon drift route against the Cowboys that Garcon caught 3 feet behind him and took 60 yards to the house. Incredible play
And he had great hands and was a good blocker.
@@AlexRollinsNFL if you made the team as a receiver and Peyton Manning was your qb that means you were a good route runner..Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne , garcon and all the receivers he had in Denver where good route runners
your channel is amazing , your football videos are my favorite hands down
That means so much to me, thank you brother!!
great video. RG3's downfall in my opinion is that he didn't spend 2 full seasons holding a clipboard while learning how to be a pro QB.
Thanks brother! Yes, unfortunately if you spend that kind of capital you're usually going to be forced to play right away. Will be interesting to see how long the 49ers are actually able to let Lance ride the pine
What an exciting player he was! His fate is truly tragic. He was never the same after that injury. It's insane to think what he could've been. Also, I like this style of "historic" videos. Great work!
What a shame, huh? I wonder what he would've been if they could've kept that same exact system and tried to slowly evolve it. We're lucky to have watched that first year at least
One thought I've had over the years is that if Washington had an offensive line that was worthy of the title, He could have done much much better. If you watch some of those games, His options were scramble or get sacked. He was supposed to step up into the pocket, when there really was no pocket.
Watch how Cousins deals with the same issue. He has one of the worst O lines in the NFL by any measure, but knows how to work with it. That was never in the cards for RGIII.
Washington fan here, 2012 RG3 was and still is my favorite football player of all-time. He made me believe anything was possible if you had enough confidence and determination in yourself. It truly sucks that his career took a major nose dive after that Playoff game. After reading a biography book about him from 2013 and seeing how everything unfolded since then, I feel Washington did him a huge disservice by keeping him in that playoff game, but that's not to say he wasn't at fault either. I feel like he became a victim of his own hype and stubbornness (an ugly side to playing a sport like football), plus I feel he let certain criticisms affect him negatively. It's all ugly viewing for me anytime I think about it. But I still love him and everything he did for me during his time in Washington. He's a perfect example of how nothing is guaranteed and that we shouldn't have high expectations on anything, regardless of how much promise someone/something has
"The zone read was never figured out"
Actually, it was.
In 2013 there was a huge rules change which allows defense to hit the QB in a running posture.
Also, 1 year ago you (Alex) broke down the slide and scrape scheme for defenses to take this away as well.
Teams don't really use the read option anymore. Rather, as Brett Kollmann broke this down about 6 months ago in his video "The Ravens Offense is an actual nightmare."
Yeah the Ravens don’t run zone read as much as people think they do.
Good point on the rule change. But teams have always used the scrape exchange, it's not a new concept that was invented in 2013 post RG3 rookie year. It was really teams developing multiple answers and practicing their options rules in the offseason and modifying them to best defend RG3 specifically
@@AlexRollinsNFL - You are correct. I would argue that Colin Kaepernick was the biggest threat of them all entering 2013 after a Super Bowl run which saw him set the all time record for most yards running by a QB in any NFL game - which he still holds - and also throwing for 267 yards, which was more than Rodgers 257 in the same game.
Despite not winning the super bowl, Colin was the most dangerous QB entering 2013. Too bad he was exposed as the 1 read (and sometimes zero read) QB he truly was. When the Rams trolled him by not covering either WR on one play and he still handed the ball off is an all time low-light.
@@AlexRollinsNFL there is always some catching up and adjusting. That’s why great coaches understand who they are matching up with and change and disguise what they are trying to do. That will never change. Clearly the Shanahans were never interested in developing the RG3 system at that time. It was thought to be college offense. Shanny was a west coast offense guru. And that is what he wanted to get back to.
It’s more so that there is only one way to stop the concept, which is the scrape exchange, or bringing both safeties into the box.
The issue is a scrape exchange is not a defensive technique that meshes well with play action crossers or in breaking routes hence why that had such enormous sucess with l play action., and against any other type of read play, like counter bash, or inverted veer. Asking a linebacker to scrape over as soon as he sees that action is essentially selling out defensive rules for the threat of the run. When your playing truly 8 on 8 in the box with qb designed runs, there are no “answers”
A linebacker has to exchange gaps as soon as he sees the read man unblocked.m, so sift action on a play action pass will simultaneously block an end man crashing out for the run, and bring the linebacker responsible for the hook curl/vert hook into the a gap.
The league has been generally lucky Lamar and cam lacked the outside threats to punish 1 high coverages that they faced at a tremendous rate.
Many QB’s has success in their first season because there isn’t a lot of film for opposing teams to study. Defensive players and coaches get paid too. RG3 relied on his athleticism and probably has done so since he was young. When that athleticism was taken away from him due to injuries, he was really good. He was a single read QB and if his receiver wasn’t open, he was off running. Not being as mobile he wasn’t able to just take off running anymore. His arc is similar to Kaepernick’s, who was on his way to being a good QB, until Harbaugh decided to try and make him a pocket passer, but he lacked the ability to get through progressions, read defenses and change plays.
Anybody else thinking of Trey Lance and what Kyle plans to do when he becomes QB 👀👀
Stay True to who you are.Trey lance is not Kirk Cousin nor Mac Jones / Shanahan 's original pick for 2021 Draft. Shanahan will WRECK Trey Lance like he did with RG3, Jimmy G, Mullens and Beathard .
Shanahan is NOT good at picking NOR Developing QBs.
Trends dont lie , look at Shanahan 's past QBs he picked, Shanahan even preferred Jimmy G over the GOAT Tom Brady who could have won 6th SUPER BOWL RINGS for Jed York 49ers.
@@hi_lo574 Work on your grammar and maybe you’ll be taken more seriously.
@@hi_lo574 lmao what?
Watching Lance the way he run worries me. Not as a threat but he just tries to plow through people or take hits. Needs to slide or avoid hits better
@@ZorrosRage YUP 👍 , most Running Backs only last 3 to 5 years in their carreer.
The way Trey Lance plowed tru bodies like a RB is an invitation to a short career.
This coming from a Dallas Cowboys fan! When he went down with that bad knee injury. I was really disappointed. Too bad things went bad after that. I really loved watching him play!
Great video!! 👍🏼
Thanks brother! Always love seeing people who respect the players outside of their teams
his career falls weigh on the snyder family’s decision
Amazing Vid!!! It’s like nowadays no one ever remembers how his decision to become a drop back passer (which he wasn’t great at) and the league becoming more familiar with the zone read contributed to his downfall just as much as the injury did. You earned a subscriber my man.
I love seeing JPP in this video, it highlights the difference between a flash in the pan and longevity. JPP+Shaq Barrett were one of the main reason they dominated the Chiefs in the SB.
That's when JPP was getting the proper respect too!! Dude was and still is a monster
I’m really sad RUclips hasn’t been showing me your vids.. I’ve been subscribed and rang the bell for months!!??
Definitely think Trey lance will be what RG3 was supposed to be. He’s smarter from the pocket well in general i honestly feel and won’t be trying to run over literally everyone. Sucks how RG3s situation was handled
I feel like Kittle and Deebo also need to realize they can’t run over everyone
Trey Lance = bigger stronger healthier 2012 RG3 that's not as fast.
Lance will be a DAWG imo
@@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly Deebo especially
@@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly thats okay because now they have Aiyuk. The kid is legit. And i am praying Shanny sees what i see in Sermon instead of the RB carousel he has been using. 🎠 it is one thing to throw a change up back in there. But sometimes you have to let your RB pound the defense into mincemeat. Like the Titans do with Henry in fourth quarters...
Last one today! I didn't know what had happened to RGIII. Thanks for the video!
My man is running through the catalog today! Much love!
Great video. I hope this doesn’t ever happen to QBs in the future.
Thanks man!! Me too
I’ve been watching the NFL for over 50 years. Running quarterbacks don’t last long because they get hurt. I’ve seen so many of them come and go. The ones who last a long time are the ones who run when they have to.
WRONG! Casual. Vick lasted a long time; his personal problems cut short his career (still was over a DECADE)! Wilson (bad O line makes this pocket passer have to scramble a lot) : NEVER a major injury,: SB champ; over a DECADE at QB,
and counting! Steve Young; Fran Tarkenton, Randall Cunningham, etc .--lasted a long time!, ...and LAMAR JACKSON: MVP, careful to avoid heavy hits since PeeWee,( irrespective of ignorant, fans LYING on his game); NEVER any major injury, (regardless of the schadenfreude of talking heads and stupid fans); he's NOT "another Kap or RG3"; (he's BETTER): more multi talented, injury free , humble and coachable! The tried trope of running QBs getting injured is a lie. Brady (ACL), Mahomes, Josh Allen , Andrew Luck, Darnold, Baker, Thiesman, Alex Smith, Carson Wentz, Sam Bradford,--too many to list here---- etc... have ALL been injured, sick, out for multiple games. Did you know that champion hurdler at Baylor, (his records still stand), turned QB, RG3, had TWO ACL surgeries during College, way BEFORE the draft!!! He had weak knees, (basically),when he was DRAFTED! FACTS. Plus, understandably, he was scared of Cousins--same draft class- taking his starting job, (ironic),and RG3 just didn't want to be out the real length of time it took to fully recover. Also, as he ADMITTED: In his arrogance, he changed the playbook, wouldn't listen to ANYONE, went over the Coaches' head, wouldn't slide trying to be tough, and had a bad attitude on the team! Yet, RG3 was around for YEARS, (it just seems short): he was just injury prone--even STANDING STILL. #getthefactsright
Not my favorite but a damm good video! You need to get picked up by the NFL network and showcase your craft there instead of watching lame replays and same content all the time. They need something fresh like the "Alex Rollins" show!
Right!? This man has EXCELLENT content & does a fantastic job
Appreciate that Cisco!! I'm just gonna grind it out every week until things really start popping!
Best breakdown with film I've seen to date, gotta subscribe & share this one.
Thanks brother!!
This one is gonna hurt so much 🥺
I hope it was at least somewhat enjoyable 😬
The system made RG3. Never understood why he didn't protect himself but boy was this a fun season to watch.
Thanks for the coverage of RG3. I think Shanahan learned from this and won't make the same mistakes with Trey Lance. ALSO they are different QBs, as is Kaepernick. Lance was pocket passing well already at NDSU.
Very excited to see how Shanahan grows the RG3 package and implements it with Lance. I think Shan is giddy to dial everything up
@@AlexRollinsNFL I think Kyle is slow playing it, but is quietly very excited about what he can do in his offense with Trey Lance.
We got some hints of it already in the 2021 exhibition games with Lance's roll outs, deep passes both on the same side and across his body, stepping up out of the pocket, etc., and some relatively safe runs to the edge.
Also RPO/Read Option/Zone Read plays where Trey has the legitimate option to keep the ball and run. He is absolutely a legitimate run threat, and looks sturdier than Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar, etc., but you still probably would not want to risk your QB on runs very often. No one wants and RG3-like outcome for Trey. (I definitely prefer pocket movement or roll outs/step ups, vs runs for QB safety.)
That all said Trey has already shown that he can get easy yards on some keepers. Just please don't get him hurt.
Kyle is supremely good at option football at the NFL level and a QB like Trey creates opportunities for other receivers and ball carriers by forcing 11 on 11 football. Defenses need to cover Trey, which generally creates 1 on 1 matchups everywhere else.
(An exotic defense like bear front can sort of counter a running QB, but then that should open up the passing game, etc. Kyle would know how to attack it.)
Not to mention the substituting of QBs in the same series, which is fun, but probably won't last. What's most impressive about the latter is how seamlessly the offense executed with the QB substitutions. That speaks very well to their coaching and practices.
This aged well. Both Purdy and Lance got hurt because of Shanahan’s schemes. He never learned 😢
@@dogpd3 Kyle didn't run Lance nearly as much as RG3, and Purdy got hurt on a drop back pass, not running.
Some of the plays against Arizona where Lance took of running were designed to be passes, not runs.
His attitude was so toxic it poisoned the team around him and no one wanted to play with him, also partly Snyders fault. It's why cousins had so much success because he was a leader who inspired his team and brought out the best in everyone
Great in depth video. I think too much of his success was his ability and need to run. Number one he should have thrown the ball more even if it was thrown away. And two, his early refusals to slide and take the hits trying to make something more than was there took a toll. On every play in the NFL there's 11 men who have the want, ability, and need to hurt you.
Thanks RC!! You're right, it was definitely something I should have added. Even on non running plays, it was shocking how many hits he took either holding the ball too long in the pocket or as you said just not throwing the ball away
As a Washington Fan, I appreciated this breakdown! Subscribed!
Thanks Darren!
Thanks for another great video! Wow, I honestly never even knew that RGIII went to Shanahan or Snyder & said he wanted to be more of a traditional pocket passer. I would imagine when he’s old & on his deathbed it’ll be his biggest regret. Oof, hurts *ME* just thinking about it & has absolutely nothing to do with me 😂
I was confused on why ppl were mad at shanahan lol 😭😭😭Rg3 messed his own career up
Thanks as always man!! Yeah.. RG3 went on First Take a few years ago and denied it.. but I think he was lying. As I said, there were rumors it was his parents and not him. They saw how Kirk Cousins was used in the game that RG3 sat out in 2012. Cousins wasn't asked to run so either RG3 and/or his family got mad and went to Snyder who demanded change. No bueno
RG3 said that he did not demand that? Yes, he wanted some of that but a great coach would have said let’s migrate you there year by year. No, the Shannies drafted Kirk cousins who was not ready to start any wear and lost almost every game he started. Contrast what the Ravens did while drafting Lamar and compare that situation with what RG3 inherited in Washington. That is where you will find the real truths! RG3 never had a problem with coaches before running into that coach and organization. Facts!
@@cherp7522 what? Well first off...mike didn't want to draft rg3 in the first place...second drafting cousins was smart given Rg3 is a one trick phony and has a chance of injury in his playing style ..Rg3 full of shit he went straight to the. Him and his pops and demanded it...mike has no reason to lie on this man they were trying to help him into it year by year but he ruined it
@@twondagreat8893 how was king cousins smart when you had already given up so many picks just to draft the one trick pony he did not want? He could have drafted another op player ready to play them win now? Ask Aaron Rodgers about that one. You are doing nothing more than quoting the Shanahan leaked media reports. Griffin said he did not demand such thing. They were only tolerating RG3 until they could do what they wanted to do just like all nfl coaches manage to do. Again, ask Aaron Rodgers about how that works! Shanahans record with the skins pre RG3 was dreadful!!! And when Cousins went in to start for RG3 I think with shanny he was something like 1-7! 2012 cousins was 1-0 with 4TD and 3 Int. And we all saw what he did taking over in that playoff game. The next year cousins was 0-3, 4 TDS and 7 INTs. Shanny was fired and that was smart to you!
At times, he just got lazy in going through his reads and was always looking at Pierre Garcon (his best receiver). The other teams figured that out too.
Say it like it was,he couldn't read defenses but had a strong arm and was fast.He couldn't adjust after his injuries.He was not a true QB.
This should be a classic video.
Thank you Timothy!!
Awesome video! Great analysis 👍
Thanks brother!!
Kind of heart breaking, I just kept thinking about Lamar the whole video. Let’s hope his legs hold up
I think they will. He’s already gone this far without injury. I think he’s a bit more elusive than rg3 and knows how to slide plus big difference he’s a better thrower.
He's much different than RG3 as a runner. Yes, he doesn't slide a lot either but defense are also very rarely able to even get a hand on him. And he knows when to run out of bounds. Let's hope for the best *knocks on wood*.
Definitely sad. I don’t think you have to worry about this with Lamar. I don’t think Lamar would make the mistake of going to Steve Bisciotti & saying “hey, can you tell Coach Harbaugh that I want to be a traditional pocket passer.” Especially with RG3 as his backup! I’m sure RG3 & Lamar have had some conversations.
Great breakdown explains a lot and makes sense!
Thanks brother!
The hubris* to think that you can change how you've played quarterback since high-school in a single offseason at the professional level.
Right? Ugh what a terrible mistake
Hubris.
It's really really sad. Imagine the ego boost after having the rookie year he did.. thought he could do dam near anything
I really appreciate the nuance of RPO concepts you brought in explaining how the scheme worked so well.
Thanks brother! You can see how far removed that is from becoming a drop back QB too.. it's like a totally different game. Mike Shanahan talked about how they wanted to ease RG3 into being a drop back QB over a long period of time, cause RG3 had never been a drop back QB. But in 2013 he wanted to go 0 to 100.. what a shame. I think he could have done it!
@@AlexRollinsNFL from my perspective honestly they were ahead of their time. Being prolifically fast isn't really needed as a QB. Honestly if you watch A-Rod or even Mitch Trubisky run they're not tearing of 40 you gains out running corners, but an effective 10-15 yd running threat is what makes any option scheme operationally dangerous because the defense can't call certain schemes/blitzes on their schedule throwing off the rhythm of play calling. And when gap discipline is a liability even an RG3 with a bad knee is objectively a real threat.
@@Arnellius_Martinius Agreed! Great comment
He had no business playing in that playoff game. Take the wildcard loss and be glad you made it. Dont waste the future ( both his and the franchise) on a team that was NOT going to the big game. He was hurt, he was young, he should have been given time to recover.
Like father like son.
The son kept Jimmy G playing with Bad Ankle 👎
It was one of the saddest moments in NFL history. Griffin gave his all for the Redskins trying to justify his draft status and was doing everything right. His injury was fate, his coming back, should have never happened. He should have been ruled out for the season, but the owners got greedy.
I will always be a huge fan of Robert in anything he does. So much promise ruined by a team and coach, as well as a little in his camp as well. As a Washington fan, I'll always love the team, but I feel for Robert.
The reason he got injured was because he kept running so much - looks wonderful when no one is touching him but all those hits add up & eventually as the defenses learned to funnel him inside where the big LB's were waiting instead of the small DB's - an injury was just waiting to happen
Snyder, if he did make the call, made the right call
He HAD to develop as a passer which he failed to do
@@ramaraksha01 an injury was always possible, but the way it was handled immediately afterwards and in the long term was bad all around. Not to mention hiring the “qb guru” jay gruden was a huge mistake as well, since he clearly hated Robert from day 1. Robert made mistakes too, but there was a lot more going on then just him failing to become a drop back passer
@@adambrulport7474 Yes NFL esp is a "whom you know" league rather than "what you know" league as well as other sports
The same guys canned in one job get another job almost immediately - the old boy network used liberally
In other countries they call it corruption, here we call it networking
I live in Chicago & for a long time we had a great special teams coach whose teams always played well - there was a coaching change and out he went!
Tom Brady is the GOAT but he was also extremely lucky that he played for a coach who didn't care where you were drafted as long as you played well you got to start
Not every team is like that
Here in Chicago we signed a DE from Dallas because in one year he got a lot of sacks he parleyed that to get a big contract and has disappeared since, but he gets to trot out every game!
I'm a recovering Redskins fan and lived through the RGIII saga. He was the master of the read option play that NFL teams hadn't had to worry about for years, he had homerun speed, he could throw a little so that when teams tried to stack the box or they bit on the run fake he could eat them alive on the tight end post or the slot post play, and they drafted a pretty good running back way below the radar in Alfred Morris who put up 1600 yards, a 4.8 average and 13 TDs. I will also say that RGIII was not a good deep passer but he hit more than his share of lucky long passes his rookie year. But as everyone saw, there's a reason you don't let your QB run in the NFL, especially if he's a skinny kid like RGIII. And he just would not learn to protect himself by sliding at the end of a run.
alfred morris > your favorite running back🗣
My favorite rb is brandon jacobs so nah
oh wow. This is outstanding offensive concept, and film, breakdown. Very nice work.
Thanks brother!
Could you do a vid analyzing and setting expectations for Jalen Hurts?
Good idea Fishy
Some stars learn from their first big injury, don't get rattled and panic, and take it as a lesson goin forward
Can't do RG3 without also doing a Andrew luck video!!!!
Yeah, that would be dope, I miss seeing Luck play.
Good idea!
Or Russell Wilson he was drafted that same year
Awesome video. I never got bored watching it tbh💪🏼💯🏈
Cant wait to see Shanahan building Lance
It's going to be epic, I can't wait
Awesome Content as Usual 👍🏼
Thanks BA! Just tryna rep the 510
Yes Sir,
That you are doing, keep up the great work...
#Salute
@@israeljudah Thanks brother!
Just here to say he wasn’t even that great in first place
This is your best work. Love the lesson.
Thanks man!! Appreciate that a lot
2012 was a stacked 1st round, RG3 wasn't one of them lol.
I had three different RG3 jerseys. My dog is named griffin and that 2012 year as a 33 year old washington fan was and still the most electric season of many many unbearable ones.
That's what I've heard from multiple WFT fans! The joy from that season was still worth it.. wish RG had been able to keep going
RG3 was popular as fuck. EVERY first grader was talking about him in northern virginia at the time.
My cousin is from there and he's still a fan to this day. I wish RG hadn't of gotten hurt, he was gone too soon!
We all been waiting for this one
As a WFT fan, I have always liked RG3. I think they did him dirty by not protecting him. He should have never played in that playoff game. I think had he not reinjured himself in that game. He would have been able to replicate in his 2nd season what worked so well for him his rookie season. I think his downfall was a mostly his injury, and trying to change his style of play to compensate for his knee never fully healing.
RGIII had straight line speed but not the third eye or agility in the pocket to give defenders the slip.
I still remember when people were saying RG3 and Kaepernick were going to change the NFL Quarterback position.
They did… Lamar Jackson
@@bechusa But of course he doesn't win any titles...
Man I'm a Cowboys fan and I felt really bad about what happened to RGIII. He could've had a good, steady career in Washington.
What makes you think that? RGJackass was recruited by most colleges as a receiver, not a QB.
What really happened is his got swollen and then paranoid that Cousins would take his job if he rehabbed too long. Should have gotten healthy and battled it out when he got back. Shanny reworked his whole offense, which he had crafted for 20 years, to suit RG’s shortcomings as a pocket passer.
I enjoyed the video and RG3's story is much more than "pure tragedy".
There was no fall just one big injury. To this day this man had in my mind the best rookie qb season ever!!
You could also add in the rise and fall of Alfred Morris because in this system he was amazing
Time to clear something that’s not being mentioned after seeing these comments. Washington’s line was notoriously bad that season. RG3s injury did not occur on a designed run or read option. His protection broke down and it was a busted pass play so he had to scramble out of the pocket and ended up getting a freak accident injury
IMO, the first mistake Washington made was trading up for RG or Luck…they needed a deeper skill set team-wide, and their trade conditions impeded that development. Then, your point about Snyder’s dumb a__ order sealed RG’s fate. Such a shame to see players mismanaged.
Another goated video like always
Thanks brother!!
Very good video on one of my favorite players at one time
Thanks brother!
He wanted to be a pocket passer after his rookie year. He told them to change the offense and it went downhill from there.
Yep!!
He said that was untrue. He did want to play more pocket but not change everything to west coast like the lying Shanahans said. No one believes anything that comes out of Washington!
This is elite level content. 💯🥇
Thank you!
He never played for the Washington Football Team
It’s absolutely insane you don’t have more subscribers
Appreciate you Brodie! Just gotta keep grinding
Great breakdown! Damn, RG3
WFT fan for over forty years I'll tell you what happened, rg3 refused to learn how to play qb. He relied solely on his athletic ability which led to injury which still wasn't enough to change his attitude about learning the position
His career wasn’t helped by repeatedly wearing that stupid neon pink sleeve that let defenses track him in the mix. It’s not exactly painting a target on your back but it’s the closest thing I can think of that a QB might actually do. What an idiot move. His vanity got him hammered too many times. Injury seemed like an inevitable consequence. The coaching staff of the era should bear some blame too. Why they let him go onto the field like that I cannot fathom.
People forget how good that 2012 Washington offense was. Particularly how good RG3 was, because of what followed.
The Washington defense was atrocious. And they were still up 14 on Russ and the legion of boom in the playoffs before he hurt his knee in that game.
To me it was his arm strength and ability to flip it anywhere on the field while on the move. He was never super accurate, but he could be when he needed to be. It just worked. And Garcon knew how to go get it and make YAC. Point being, he was better with his arm than people remember. Watch the 2012 Thanksgiving TD pass to Santana Miss. Such a beautiful play/throw/catch.
RG3, Morris, and Garcon we’re the perfect combo for that time and place (with Kyle Shannahan calling the plays of course).
And people try to blame the Shannahans way too much. A lot of fans still won’t acknowledge Robert’s massive role in his own demise. I do put plenty of blame on Snyder and Bruce Allen. But had Robert managed to check his ego, and control his parents, he could have made the front office’s role less impactful.