NEW Types of breakers for Qo Panels
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That got dark at the end.
Oh, great, Dustin. Just GREAT. Now my inner child is shrieking in terror and won't sleep with the lights out.
@@helmanfrowI'd seen this before... Just rewatching at 6AM totally forgot the ending and now the Sun can't come up fast enough.... Come on Come ON! Did you hear that? What was that? Hello? Who's there?
I just wish the new plug-on and GFI/AFCI breakers didn't cost an arm, a leg, and a quart of blood.
That’s all? They took my left testicle and a kidney too last time I needed one
Yeah crazy expensive now and getting worse ..😢
6 Grand in breakers lmao
Are you an electrician by chance?
Yep kills my bids every time!
I swear SquareD doesn’t need any more types of breakers smh 🤦🏽♂️
Anything to make them more money
When Group Schneider bought Square D they made adaptor plates to replace them with standard Merlin Gerin breakers. MG are the best.
they have surge protection breakers for whole house also
Yeah it's getting kinda crazy already ..
Remember round fuses.. 😂
@@dogwalker666why? First.... never heard of that brand...second...square D is probably the best breaker made. They actually trip how and when they are supposed to unlike many other popular brands.
I must be old. Square D is still the inventer of QO breakers in my book. Calling them schneider breakers is goofy.
Especially when they have the Square D logo on them.
It's like John Deer 🦌 the name is Greenway the money behind John Deer
Uggggg gfci double pole breakers went into effect I see. One person gets locked up on a condenser and now we gotta deal with this. One bad apple ruins the whole basket.
I don't even know what u talking about but i will like the new style i promise just don't eat my soul 😭
I feel the same way 😂
I printed out a white paper published by the manufacturer of these breakers for my customers. The routine is pass inspection, remove afci bkrs where reasonable (almost 100%) and install normal current protection for your customer. But they MUST be in agreement. If they are not, they normally are after the first freezer full off expensive meat gone bad. The white paper goes into the weeds about arc fault, nuisance trips, and design strictures.
Damn shame you can’t just RENT or borrow the afci breakers for inspection.
Such a waste of time and money with those damn things.
Yeah, what you're doing is actually legally fraud, and you can lose your license if somebody chooses to report you (which they should).
It doesn't f*cking matter whether you agree with them or not, the codes aren't there for you to just arbitrarily pick and choose which ones you follow, and deliberately misleading the inspector to sign off on an installation that you have no intention of actually finishing to code (and also soliciting the customer to be complicit in deliberately violating electrical codes as well) is actually *illegal.*
(And nuisance trips are easy to fix by just adding proper line filtering on the devices, which is the correct solution, not _undermining mandated safety measures_ just because they annoy you and *you're too lazy to fix it properly.* )
@@blaydCA I mean as a contractor you could offer that service. Keep 30 or so in inventory, as long as you don’t have more than say 3-6 panels pending inspection at any given time it works out :)
They even have the plug on neutrals for Homeline as well. Massive improvement from the pigtails. Being so limited on space to begin with it's nice to have an improvement for space.
I've been out of the electrical field for 26 years. It's refreshing to find some upgrades to the old Square D QO style breakers. Keep up the updates.
What was the problem with the old ones?
They were too affordable
And you too can swap out all your breakers in your ONE panel for the extremely low cost of $6000-$7000 😂. It would be cheaper to break the law.
All these new breakers are overpriced and fail after a few trips, its pathetic price gouging, just another code that's unnecessary and costs homeowners a lot more
Is it cheaper to install an AFCI outlet at the beginning of the circuit as opposed to AFCI or AFCI/GFI combos in the panel?
It's cheaper to get your protection from a device instead of the breaker, yes
@@joshuashackleford739 are they both garbage? YES
@@harveylong5878--- yes, I agree. Garbage.
So many electricians will argue saying they are great and better than they used to be.
Well, a solid turd may be considered better than a soft turd for your health but, it's still a shitty turd. And that's how AFCIs are in my opinion of being 35 years in the trade working with tools still and going from 16 yrs as a union journeyman to licensed electrical contractor working for myself last 12 years. That doesn't add up to 35 years you say? Add 4 years of apprenticeship and a couple years non union and then I was a union IBEW material handler and a driver and warehouse foreman and tool repair for almost four years for the biggest electrical contractor West of the Rockies back in the mid 1980s.
AFCIs are making people rich and it isn't us electricians and contractors. Lobbyists and politicians and manufacturers are making a ton.
How about the Leviton that you connect to the base of the breaker and then pop on the breaker
People actually use leviton breakers?
I installed a Leviton panel in my house, so much nicer and easier.
I got 2 leviton boxes and one Siemens box.
ARC fault breakers are complete bs
Loved the ending 😂. Watch to the end lol
U getting a belly Dustin. Slow down on the beer buddy.
Plug-on neutrals makes me want to redo my entire box from the junk that's in it.
Whaaa... They've had a decade to plan for the dbl pole ground/arc faults. Get with it ELECTRICAL INDUSTRY we don't want no more damned PIGTAILS 😂
Arc faullts are crap and have been since their intro. Get your inspection and replace with regular breakers. They started phasing them in slowly, only requiring them in bedrooms at first, then other living areas and ultimately into every space, even on the gfci protected circuits 🙄 And have YET to resolve the nuisance tripping. They are better than the first generation, but still not reliable enough, and just too expensive. Just my experience over 40 years in the trade. And btw....... GET OFF MY LAWN !!!! 🤣🤣
Just more electronic crap that will go bad in a few years....I don't know how many customers I told LEDs will last their lifetime only to come back to replace bad drivers in a few years. Lots of corporate "persuasion" going on with these NEC "improvements."
The lack of wire space in panels has always been ridiculous. I ain't asking for much, just enough to reasonably and quickly put wires into panels.
Yea use proprietary..thats smart..look at what usually happens...before the company goes bellyy up n 40 years lol....cornerin the home to strixtly their product...eeehh
If they can come up with new styles of breakers, is there any reason they don't allow DIN rail for residential systems? Not an electrician, just curious 🤔
Can you talk about the wire coming in the top and where you can and can't put a bunch of wires in one connector with or without having to de-rate
As long as he is under 9 current carrying conductors, he is fine. He has them in bundles of 4, so that is 8 current carrying conductors. So he is within code
It can be summed in one word. Plain and simple laziness. "I just don't like working in such a tight space". And the finale "And you should too" is just BS. 😂
I like qo and CH. Preventing people from cramming other manufacturers breakers in that don't belong in the load center
If all the gfci / afci breqkers are plug on neutral, how do you protect the pig tails so they don't accidentally touch something?
the jumpscare at the end 😂
Cutler hammer I believe was the one that came up with arc fault breakers and then they changed the code to have them put in electrical panels everywhere. Companies like Cutler hammer and stuff like that are in the code book on the board. I don’t really think they were needed or at least not at the price they are selling them for.
I don't think i will. More of a DIN 35mm Rail guy. Lots more configuration options.
How much do they pay this guy to brag about the worst part of their design being the best part of their new design? The Eaton afci/gfci are half the size of those.
Why do people still use QO panels on new installs. It's literally the worst stuff out there.
Now convince the contractor. Remember he thinks since his check is better he must be smarter.
Love the chase ripple wide open to the bay . And please prestrip your romex before you put it in
The end got me. But I'm not laughing.
*edit* Ok, I'm laughing now.
As a UK spark, seeing a PoN QO board is just plain weird. Like, our QOs are ready for the scrap heap at this stage.
I'm a Brit living in the US - US electrics are a huge shitshow of archaic, cheap arsed, mutually incompatible devices. The breakers and panels are especially bad.
Instantly love them ! Yes sirrrrrrr lol
I'm interested in moving to states to work.
I'm a sparky .
I can send my resume .
Lemme know.
Arc fault is way overrated, waste of time and money also makes the panel look like shit
Are surge protectors installed in the panel a required law for all new homes?
One of the reasons I stay away from SQ D. To big of breakers. Also cost
Good electrician, 😊but I think he's possessed 😅
not gonna lie, you scared the shit outa me.
Had my headphones in and everything!
Where do you live that you can put that many romex wires in one damn connector?
Man that’s a big upgrade, I’ve preferred Eaton’s BR panels for ease of working in recently, but this looks like a great improvement!
But pretty much all of them with the exception of hom can be cut an made to fit all
I really don't like being the guinea pig consumer of ever tripping AFCI breakers in order for the new algorithms the manufacturers come up with. I am going back to the standard non-afci breakers.
yea they tried putting AFCI/Combo breakers in at our complex when insurance company's demand to get rid of ancient FPE panels was finally done. we were calling sparkies back out every other day to go figure WTF tripped POS AFCI/Combo breaker this time. AHJ caved, let sparkies go back to regular breakers
I just can’t believe the cost of each breaker.
There is something wrong with you Justin! LOL 😅
Are you old enough to remember the Stab-Lok breakers and panels? You probably aren't because you wouldn't be complaining about these breakers.
ah you mean those lovely POS's that our complex still uses for house panels. residents got new panels to make Insurance company happy but yep let's leave POS FPE/Stab lok panels for the buildings,shops etc
I'd really like to watch how you wire it all up. I'm sure you got a 100 different tips for making the panel clean as possible
I always used square d
Five finger discount baby.
How do you know what kind of panel you’re working on
Thats nice even though I dont use square D
Okay but how much more do they cost? That def would be nice
A lot more. The size and functionality is a nice touch. But good luck trying to get the client to eat that cost.
And if you can I would like to learn your tricks.
idk, I think the Leviton panel has the best idea.
Something something, DIN-Rail
not a fan of QO with their neutral bars stacked. Homeline runs one on each side top to bottom and is so much better. Now just wish all panels would be made wider to give more gutter space.
Homeline has an aluminum bus
They suck.... Bring it on!! 😂😂😂
Who makes the bags you’re wearing
I perfer the old system i think.
You must of paid fortune for arc fault breakers
Thanks, Dustin. You keep our curiosity sparkin'!
QO is the bomb
Weren’t they recalled like a year ago
Yes, annoyedreview2155 the “wire binding screw within the lug body could potentially not be torqued properly to the Plug-on-Neutral bar”
That doesn’t negate decades of well made electrical equipment.
those boxes are toooo small in the width
Arc fault breakers are the biggest waste of money. I have more service calls for arc fault breakers failing.
running joke at our complex was , the owners should just give sparkies a free apt and one of the garages. they were there every other day after panel swapping apt panels and using AFCI/Combo breakers
Love this channel this guy is fuckin on it
Never get qo. Homeline or eaton... trust me
The power of Christ compels you! lol
I will install no panel before it's time.
My home depot have them for $82 😐😡
Arc fault breakers are trash! A loose lightbulb somewhere can ruin your day!
at $125+/hr, troubleshooting AFCI/Combo breakers oughta be sparkies BFF
You didnt even say what it was called
Wtf kind of pigtails are those
Are you looking for helpers!!
QO world's finest
Square D QO is as good as it gets
I'm glad to see a "Surge Protection Device" (SPD) NEC 230.67 was installed. A SPD has always been necessary, but with an increase in extreme weather events like lightening storms a SPD is a very important
This technique looks sooo old
No 2 pole afci breakers from Schneider though. If you do service work good luck with all the MWBC still out there. That’s why I don’t like them, trying to find home runs and line load off of afci outlets is poor design
That box is not going to work!
Biggest racket in the world!! That’s like 1900s and 5” boxes coming with different thread count #8 screws
That box looks immaculate
It should it's new
Nothing has been terminated yet, just wait until the OCD sets in and this box becomes a work of art…
@@Skibidi_Male_Xthat's new? It would be in a museum in Europe
@@alemgasSchneider is German.
@@WanderingStil I know, they must still make antiquated gear to suit the U.S. market
Makes it so much harder and takes so much more space having all these different panels and breakers that only work with certain ones. Have all these extra breakers just incase. Especially span panels
those early af/gfci pigtail breakers, along with the ammount required by code, made hard to cut in neatly w all the tails…. and god forbid u cut the tail in case space got limited
Your code says you can't cut the pigtails? I Thermal imaged boards that don't have their pigtales and it's the hottest part of the board.
they wont function w the tail cut…. needs the isolated neutral tail or it just trips as soon as it has a load
we call stripping all the branch circuits into the panel “cutting in”
Whole lot more expensive
Funny ending I like it a lot.
Who would buy QO?
It’s about time SqD fixed that breaker length problem. Cutler Hammer was the same way, but they fixed it years ago.
Afb would be good if each outlet was on a independant breaker. Then they wouldn't trip as much for no reason..
This is why I prefer commercial panels to residential panels that need to fit within residential framing. Sometimes I'm tempted to put the residential guts in a commercial panel....
Awesome breakers
Eaton is better
Such a tweeeker
Why are we still using QO? When I did service it seemed like QO breakers burnt up more often then homeline
Never had a problem with either. The only bad ones I seen are FPE and GE.
@Pepe-dq2ib in the last 10 years, GE has gotten a little better quality.
@@richt5986 even with the current models, its the same breakers and they just dont sit snug onto the busbar. The last one i worked on was a service upgrade from a 100A PowerMark Gold to 200A and we replaced with with an Homeline PoN load center. I recall there was more Siemens QP in it than GE breakers.
The older aluminum bus qo boxes were definitely more trouble than the copper bus QO
Nice 👍🏽
Know it's been over 10 years since German company Schneider purchase one of the best in class line Square D but still call them Square D. At one of our new 12 story buildings we had Square D 13,200 volt dual service switchgear. Had the best recorder computer that you could look into to see exactly when they had a voltage dip or lost of 1 service. Have to watch if you have to install more then two normal 1' wide LOTO attachments next to one another. They do make a narrower 3/4"wide LOTO just for Square D 3/4" wide breakers. Think I read that the plug in neutral panel & plug in neutral breakers cost 10% more but well worth it.
I prefer Leviton panels. Very clean install.
I DIY'd one not long ago. Ties in with my ATS and trips the nonessential breakers when the power drops.
Where you based?