@ Jefferson: Sorry, can`t answer your comment directly - did you disabled this function? Have in mind that this frame is made for a take off weight up to around 2,6 KG (our T650 Sport has 2,77 KG). The problem in the long run are the clips of the folding mechanism. Our T650 Sport was for testing the LL, 4008 motor, different esc`s and the gimbal but not for reaching the max. possible flight time. A good setup for this aspect is the DJI E600 propulsion set. Less weight, good quality, very low vibrations but "only" up to 1,6 KG thrust/ motor. You can use the E600 set with a good 25c rated LiPo and save a bit of weight. The main key is the take off weight. We achieved with a T650 IM and E600, Gimbal and GoPro, 6s 4.000 mAh (but 35c rating) and 2,55 KG take off weight 12 - 13 min. mixed flight time (3.65 V/ cell). To remain safe belonging the max weight of this frame, a 6s 5.000 - 6.000 mAh is the max. size / weight of the LiPo battery. So I think you can reach 16 - 17 minutes without overloading the frame with too big LiPo packs what also has an effect for adjusting the CG. Bad CG costs a lot of flight time. If you need more flight time, the Tarot 680 Pro with E600 would be a good choice.
***** Hi, we did not tried out. The controller gives no options for adjusting the way but maybe it is adjustable a bit with the servo settings of the RC sender.
Beautiful build! I recently purchased a Tarot 650 Sport frame and am considering building this same quadcopter. But I'm starting to worry about weight and flight time. The retracting legs of the 650 sport, add another 300 grams compared to the standard 650 model. Also, I'm not able to find a battery that has a higher power density than my DJI Phantom 2 (which boasts around 13mAh/g) and with the weight of batteries, I'm worried this copter would have a flight time significantly lower than my phantom 2 which is around 22 minutes in FPV. What is the honest flight time you are able to get out of the build while using FPV and recording with GoPro? Also what LiPo battery would you recommend using? Thanks A LOT, I'm really excited about this quad, but just want to assuage some concerns before I start building (and buying) so learning about your experience would be super helpful.
+Technik and much More Hallo, in diesem Fall Bestandteil des Gimbals, gibt es aber auch einzeln, z.B: synosystems.de/de/video-ubertragung-fpv/168-gopro-video-out-kabel-flach.html
To all the nay sayers out there about this frame. The retracts are great, I ordered 500mm L x 10mm wide carbon fiber tubes to replace the stock ones for the battery tray and gimbal mount. I have no gear retracts or props in any of my shots. I just got done with this build about a week ago (Jan 21, 2014). I will have a build video and on board video up on my page this week. I used the PCB board using Avroto 3515 400kv motors, maytech 45amp esc's, naza v2, h3-3d gimbal, Pulse 6s 35c 10000mah LiPo. Flight Time: Hover; 34 minutes Forward Flight; 28 minutes. No temp issues on the board what so ever.
Did you use the built in PCB? I want to to make it clean, but I'm not sure if it's rated for 6S. Also does yours have a GPS, If so, Where did you put it?
No, we used a separate PCB. But the inbuilt one seems to be more massive then the most available PCBs in the market. We took a separate one to have easy access to it. For mounting the Pixhawk and GPS-module we added a small battery plate from TAROT with M3 bolds upside the upper centerplate: blog.synosystems.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2014-11-14-11.24.45.jpg
have you had any problems during flight like it flying out of your control or any other problems? I am currently building one. I am waiting on the parts from China. I have almost the same build as yours. I mostly just want to use it for Arial Photography. I want it to be able to fly just about anywhere like the new DJI if I can
Taylor, no problems at all so far. also never heard from a flyaway with a 3DR Pixhawk autopilot. you should not have any problems if you pay attention to the common safety guidelines. did you bought the same gimbal (X-Cam A10-3H)?
ITK Thomas Kremer SYNOSYSTEMS UAV unfortunately I haven't purchased a gimbal and camera yet. I am hoping there will be a nice 4K camera being released soon or I just might buy the HERO4. I do really like the gimbal you have though. I will probably go with a 3 axis when I purchase one.
+Accuracy Channel Hi, we had the best results with the DJI E600 Propulsion Set. The 4008 motors have around 25% more thrust but significant less flight time. The choice is depending from the copters AUW and usage. More details in my answer to Jefferson (below).
+ITK Thomas Kremer SYNOSYSTEMS UAV Thank you very much, too bad E600 kit costs too much here (270€) so I have to go with Tarot 4008 or Sunnysky X4108S.
thank thomas by the way i plan to build the tarot 650 sport with 1. dji naza m-v2 +iosd mini+bluethooth module 2. x-cam A10 -H3 gimbale the same you use what is the best motor size /esc/prop/battery do you recomand for this setup ?
Hi Effy, the T 650 Sport doesn`t support big propellers - recommended is 13". Without canopy and a bit overlapping the upper centerplate 14" props are possible. For long flighttimes, 6s with 13" propeller is more efficiant than e.g. 4s/ 14". This copter frame should have a takeoff weight below 3 KG. Our Test - 650 Sport has 2,77 KG takeoff weight including gimbal and 6s 4.000 mAh. 370 KV - 400 KV with 6s give you a responsilble RPM layout and 6 - 7 KG thrust would be a good range and enough power in crtical situations ;-). Note: The TAROT frames IM 650, T650 Sport, T 680 Pro etc. are using all the same folding mechanism which is not made for heavy weights or massive power.
Die Kabel von beiden Beinen sind im Controller. Der Controller hängt an der Stromversorgung. Das Signalkabel geht vom Controller zum Empfänger auf Kanal 8. In meinem Sender habe ich bei den Mischern auf Kanal 8 als Quelle den Schalter (Taster) SH gelegt. Betätige ich den Taster SH tut sich leider nichts. Was mache ich wohl falsch?
Tom Gerritzen Hallo, der Schalter muss innerhalb bestimmter PWM-Werte liegen. Ob das mit dem Taster einstellbar ist? Der Taster liefert nur 2 Werte - im Prinzip fehlt da ja noch die Null-Stellung (Festwert). Wir haben zur Ansteuerung die PWM-Werte in unserem Blogbericht gelistet: blog.synosystems.de/tarot-650-sport/ . Wenn man keinen Schalter hat, müsste die Ansteuerung auch an den Gasweg/ die Stellung das Gas-Sticks koppelbar sein. Das ist zwar nicht so elegant weil bei situationsbedingter, kurzzeitig starker Gasrücknahme dann auch das Landesgesetz runter fährt, aber der Zweck heiligt ja die Mittel ;-).
Hi, components are shared at 0:07 - 0:12 in the video. Detailed information in our blog - native text is german but Google translation is implemented. But I think for the component listing no translation is needed. We also answering questions in deep by email. You`ll find the blog at blog.synosystems.de .
the flight time depends on the LiPo of course. We reached +/- 16 minutes with a 6s 7.000 mAh while demonstrating the flightplan features of the 3DR Pixhawk to a customer. the speed between the waypoints was set to 18 KM/h (5 m/ sec).
@Nicholas: Please have a look at 0:15 in the video. There is a short list of all components.Please visit our blog for more information. There is a Google translator plugin working so that you find all details. Please have in mind that this setup was for some testing proposes (we are dealer). One of the best setups today is with the DJI E800 propulsion set ... .
hi, super copter! Möchte mir auch den 650 Sport mit der Pixhawk zulegen. Kannst du mir eventuell deine eingestellten PIDs verraten? Wäre sehr hilfreich ;-)
+Daniel Sinn Hi, die PIDs sind original Werkseinstellung des Pixhawk bzw. der Firmware. Ich bin allerdings im manuellen Modus (Stabilize Mode) geflogen - im Loiter-Mode (GPS-Hold) wäre der Kopter langsamer/träger. Den Wert für den -> "Loiter-Speed" kann man bis zu einem gewissen Grad an die eigenen Vorlieben anpassen/erhöhen - sofern man im PH-Mode schnell fliegen möchte (meist Ex - DJI Naza etc. Piloten) ... sonst gibt es da keinen Handlungsbedarf. Nach einiger Zeit mit dem Pixhawk wirst Du Kleinigkeiten auf Deine persönlichen Anforderungen anpassen wollen. Es sind Werte wie z.B. das Einbremsen in die PH-Hold Position, max. Steig- und Sinkrate und solche Sachen. PIDs im Sinne von Stabilität des Kopters müssen erfahrungsgemäß nur bei großen Frames oder bei Unter-/Übermotorisierung etwas nachgeschärft/ entschärft werden. Dafür eignet sich die eingebaute Autotune-Funktion, die zwischenzeitlich sehr ordentliche Ergebnisse liefert.
+ITK Thomas Kremer SYNOSYSTEMS UAV am Handy ist der Text nicht durchgestrichen ;-) Besten Dank für deine schnelle Antwort! Damit hast du mir die Ängste wegen der Komplexität der Pixhawk genommen. Werde sie mir in deinem Shop bestellen. Was hälst du von einem 4S Setup beim 650 Sport? Und vom DJI E800 6S Setup? Besten dank nochmal! :-)
+Daniel Sinn Hi Daniel, ohne Modifikation (längere Ausleger) passt das E800 nicht, die Props haben Übermaß und sind knapp 14". Du kannst aber den T Ironman 650 nehmen, und die Motorhalter vom 650 Sport. Das schafft Platz für bis zu 16". Das eLandegestell vom Sport passt auch. Wenn der 650 Sport nicht grenzwertig schwer wird, reicht aber das E600. Antrieb 4s geht natürlich auch, aber ein qualitativ vergleichbares Antriebsset wird insgesamt etwas teuerer als die Tuned Propulsion Sets von DJI.
+ITK Thomas Kremer SYNOSYSTEMS UAV hi Thomas, wie kann dann premium Modellbau.de ein 4S Antriebsset passend für den 650 Sport anbieten, welches 15 Zoll Props dabei hat?! Da dürften die 14 Zoll vom E800 eigentlich kein Problem sein.
Hi Thomas i see that you use sunrise 40a esc opto an everyone suggest the hobbywing platinum pro opto 40a there is a big different on price 18$ for sunrise and 33$ for hobbywing is it worth the price or better stay with one you use. by the way is this the one on your quad ? :www.himodel.com/electric/Sunrise_HiMulti_Series_Speed_Controller_for_Multicopter_HiMulti-40A-OPTO.html thank you for your support
Hi Effy, we are dealer and are testing all major products for a short time before we are selling them. The Sunrise esc`s are very interesting, because they are fitting into many copter frames carbon tubes above 19 mm. Before testing them inside the tubes, we checked the temperature range with the TAROT 650 Sport (mounted on the upper centerplate). They remain cold and are working fine so far. We also sold a small amount (around 30 pcs.) to customers yet. So far, no problems with this product. The HW Platinum Pro esc is well known good quality. Hard to decide if the Sunrise esc`s are the same quality - it`s a question of experience in the near future. But if you buy from a Chinese dealer, you should get the HW Platinum Pro 40A noticeable below 30 USD ..... the difference belonging the prices is not that big.
Effy, I saw your link too late. sorry. This is not the same esc.! We are using this one on the Tarot Sport for testing: synosystems.de/de/motoren-regler-propeller/182-sunrise-40a-regler-multi-series-500-hz.html
We recommend a max. AUW below 3 KG for this frame. Many people are flying this frame with higher AUW. But have an eye for the clips of the folding mechanism. The rest depends from your propulsion. The T4108 motors in this video (4008 version, 380KV) are offering around 1,7 KG thrust each (6s, 13" props).
@ Jefferson: Sorry, can`t answer your comment directly - did you disabled this function?
Have in mind that this frame is made for a take off weight up to around 2,6 KG (our T650 Sport has 2,77 KG). The problem in the long run are the clips of the folding mechanism. Our T650 Sport was for testing the LL, 4008 motor, different esc`s and the gimbal but not for reaching the max. possible flight time. A good setup for this aspect is the DJI E600 propulsion set. Less weight, good quality, very low vibrations but "only" up to 1,6 KG thrust/ motor. You can use the E600 set with a good 25c rated LiPo and save a bit of weight. The main key is the take off weight. We achieved with a T650 IM and E600, Gimbal and GoPro, 6s 4.000 mAh (but 35c rating) and 2,55 KG take off weight 12 - 13 min. mixed flight time (3.65 V/ cell). To remain safe belonging the max weight of this frame, a 6s 5.000 - 6.000 mAh is the max. size / weight of the LiPo battery. So I think you can reach 16 - 17 minutes without overloading the frame with too big LiPo packs what also has an effect for adjusting the CG. Bad CG costs a lot of flight time. If you need more flight time, the Tarot 680 Pro with E600 would be a good choice.
Hi, great build. Is there any way to adjust the retracts so they retract more, even or close to even with the arm booms?
***** Hi, we did not tried out. The controller gives no options for adjusting the way but maybe it is adjustable a bit with the servo settings of the RC sender.
Beautiful build! I recently purchased a Tarot 650 Sport frame and am considering building this same quadcopter. But I'm starting to worry about weight and flight time. The retracting legs of the 650 sport, add another 300 grams compared to the standard 650 model. Also, I'm not able to find a battery that has a higher power density than my DJI Phantom 2 (which boasts around 13mAh/g) and with the weight of batteries, I'm worried this copter would have a flight time significantly lower than my phantom 2 which is around 22 minutes in FPV. What is the honest flight time you are able to get out of the build while using FPV and recording with GoPro? Also what LiPo battery would you recommend using? Thanks A LOT, I'm really excited about this quad, but just want to assuage some concerns before I start building (and buying) so learning about your experience would be super helpful.
Hallo, wo bekomme ich diesen kleinen Anschluss (Video-Out) für die Gopro her, der ist schön winzig.
+Technik and much More Hallo, in diesem Fall Bestandteil des Gimbals, gibt es aber auch einzeln, z.B: synosystems.de/de/video-ubertragung-fpv/168-gopro-video-out-kabel-flach.html
Vielen Dank, habe schon (fast) überall gesucht, aber 20 € ist ja für so einen kleinen Stecker auch nicht ohne.
To all the nay sayers out there about this frame. The retracts are great, I ordered 500mm L x 10mm wide carbon fiber tubes to replace the stock ones for the battery tray and gimbal mount. I have no gear retracts or props in any of my shots. I just got done with this build about a week ago (Jan 21, 2014). I will have a build video and on board video up on my page this week. I used the PCB board using Avroto 3515 400kv motors, maytech 45amp esc's, naza v2, h3-3d gimbal, Pulse 6s 35c 10000mah LiPo. Flight Time: Hover; 34 minutes Forward Flight; 28 minutes. No temp issues on the board what so ever.
Did you use the built in PCB? I want to to make it clean, but I'm not sure if it's rated for 6S. Also does yours have a GPS, If so, Where did you put it?
No, we used a separate PCB. But the inbuilt one seems to be more massive then the most available PCBs in the market. We took a separate one to have easy access to it. For mounting the Pixhawk and GPS-module we added a small battery plate from TAROT with M3 bolds upside the upper centerplate: blog.synosystems.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2014-11-14-11.24.45.jpg
ITK Thomas Kremer SYNOSYSTEMS UAV Thanks. I ended up purchasing a PCB. I couldn't get the built in one to work well.
You can use a 8 cell lipo with built in pcb up to 120 amps or draw from motors!
I got mine working perfectly as of today. Flies like a dream. Need to buy FPV and camera equipment now
Nice quad, we just recently got one ourselves. Very impressed thus far!
How did you connect the retracts? To the Auxillary on the pixhawk?
have you had any problems during flight like it flying out of your control or any other problems? I am currently building one. I am waiting on the parts from China. I have almost the same build as yours. I mostly just want to use it for Arial Photography. I want it to be able to fly just about anywhere like the new DJI if I can
Taylor, no problems at all so far. also never heard from a flyaway with a 3DR Pixhawk autopilot. you should not have any problems if you pay attention to the common safety guidelines. did you bought the same gimbal (X-Cam A10-3H)?
ITK Thomas Kremer SYNOSYSTEMS UAV unfortunately I haven't purchased a gimbal and camera yet. I am hoping there will be a nice 4K camera being released soon or I just might buy the HERO4. I do really like the gimbal you have though. I will probably go with a 3 axis when I purchase one.
Hi, I'm going to build this quad in the next months. Do you recommend these motors (Tarot 4008)? Thank you very much.
+Accuracy Channel Hi, we had the best results with the DJI E600 Propulsion Set. The 4008 motors have around 25% more thrust but significant less flight time. The choice is depending from the copters AUW and usage. More details in my answer to Jefferson (below).
+ITK Thomas Kremer SYNOSYSTEMS UAV Thank you very much, too bad E600 kit costs too much here (270€) so I have to go with Tarot 4008 or Sunnysky X4108S.
Nice build!
The 650 Sport is a fun bird to fly!
thank thomas
by the way i plan to build the tarot 650 sport with
1. dji naza m-v2 +iosd mini+bluethooth module
2. x-cam A10 -H3 gimbale the same you use
what is the best motor size /esc/prop/battery do you recomand for this setup ?
Hi Effy,
the T 650 Sport doesn`t support big propellers - recommended is 13". Without canopy and a bit overlapping the upper centerplate 14" props are possible. For long flighttimes, 6s with 13" propeller is more efficiant than e.g. 4s/ 14". This copter frame should have a takeoff weight below 3 KG. Our Test - 650 Sport has 2,77 KG takeoff weight including gimbal and 6s 4.000 mAh. 370 KV - 400 KV with 6s give you a responsilble RPM layout and 6 - 7 KG thrust would be a good range and enough power in crtical situations ;-). Note: The TAROT frames IM 650, T650 Sport, T 680 Pro etc. are using all the same folding mechanism which is not made for heavy weights or massive power.
Hi Thomas is it possible to hook this gimbal with dji naza v2 and not the pixhak ?
Hi Effy, the gimbal is fully independent from the autopilot and can be connected to the DJI Naza or WKM/ A2 gimbal ports.
Hi what gimbal is that ? where you get it from ? cheers jay
Hi, it´s the X-CAM A10-3H.
What is the full configuration of this Tarot 650 Sport?
Hi
dose someone know the quality of the cloned pixhawk 2.4.5 for around 100$ like the white spy
or better go for the original one from 3DR site?
How did u connect the landing gear did u used an step down
Hi, no step down/ UBEC is needed. The controller for the landing gear is working from 10 V up to 26 V
i want to know where dd you place your ESCs at ..
+bill alvarez You can find pictures here -> blog.synosystems.de/tarot-650-sport/
how much weight it can lift
Könnt Ihr mir bitte sagen, wie man das Landegestell anschließt?
Die Kabel von beiden Beinen sind im Controller. Der Controller hängt an der Stromversorgung. Das Signalkabel geht vom Controller zum Empfänger auf Kanal 8. In meinem Sender habe ich bei den Mischern auf Kanal 8 als Quelle den Schalter (Taster) SH gelegt. Betätige ich den Taster SH tut sich leider nichts. Was mache ich wohl falsch?
Tom Gerritzen Hallo, der Schalter muss innerhalb bestimmter PWM-Werte liegen. Ob das mit dem Taster einstellbar ist? Der Taster liefert nur 2 Werte - im Prinzip fehlt da ja noch die Null-Stellung (Festwert). Wir haben zur Ansteuerung die PWM-Werte in unserem Blogbericht gelistet: blog.synosystems.de/tarot-650-sport/ . Wenn man keinen Schalter hat, müsste die Ansteuerung auch an den Gasweg/ die Stellung das Gas-Sticks koppelbar sein. Das ist zwar nicht so elegant weil bei situationsbedingter, kurzzeitig starker Gasrücknahme dann auch das Landesgesetz runter fährt, aber der Zweck heiligt ja die Mittel ;-).
Can you share the specs? Motors, ESC, Gimbal, Battery etc etc?
Hi, components are shared at 0:07 - 0:12 in the video. Detailed information in our blog - native text is german but Google translation is implemented. But I think for the component listing no translation is needed. We also answering questions in deep by email. You`ll find the blog at blog.synosystems.de .
what is the flight time with this setup?
the flight time depends on the LiPo of course. We reached +/- 16 minutes with a 6s 7.000 mAh while demonstrating the flightplan features of the 3DR Pixhawk to a customer. the speed between the waypoints was set to 18 KM/h (5 m/ sec).
@Nicholas: Please have a look at 0:15 in the video. There is a short list of all components.Please visit our blog for more information. There is a Google translator plugin working so that you find all details. Please have in mind that this setup was for some testing proposes (we are dealer). One of the best setups today is with the DJI E800 propulsion set ... .
hi, super copter! Möchte mir auch den 650 Sport mit der Pixhawk zulegen. Kannst du mir eventuell deine eingestellten PIDs verraten? Wäre sehr hilfreich ;-)
+Daniel Sinn Hi, die PIDs sind original Werkseinstellung des Pixhawk bzw. der Firmware. Ich bin allerdings im manuellen Modus (Stabilize Mode) geflogen - im Loiter-Mode (GPS-Hold) wäre der Kopter langsamer/träger. Den Wert für den -> "Loiter-Speed" kann man bis zu einem gewissen Grad an die eigenen Vorlieben anpassen/erhöhen - sofern man im PH-Mode schnell fliegen möchte (meist Ex - DJI Naza etc. Piloten) ... sonst gibt es da keinen Handlungsbedarf. Nach einiger Zeit mit dem Pixhawk wirst Du Kleinigkeiten auf Deine persönlichen Anforderungen anpassen wollen. Es sind Werte wie z.B. das Einbremsen in die PH-Hold Position, max. Steig- und Sinkrate und solche Sachen. PIDs im Sinne von Stabilität des Kopters müssen erfahrungsgemäß nur bei großen Frames oder bei Unter-/Übermotorisierung etwas nachgeschärft/ entschärft werden. Dafür eignet sich die eingebaute Autotune-Funktion, die zwischenzeitlich sehr ordentliche Ergebnisse liefert.
+ITK Thomas Kremer SYNOSYSTEMS UAV Keine Ahnung warum da ein Teil des Textes durchgestrichen ist .....
+ITK Thomas Kremer SYNOSYSTEMS UAV am Handy ist der Text nicht durchgestrichen ;-)
Besten Dank für deine schnelle Antwort! Damit hast du mir die Ängste wegen der Komplexität der Pixhawk genommen. Werde sie mir in deinem Shop bestellen.
Was hälst du von einem 4S Setup beim 650 Sport? Und vom DJI E800 6S Setup?
Besten dank nochmal! :-)
+Daniel Sinn Hi Daniel, ohne Modifikation (längere Ausleger) passt das E800 nicht, die Props haben Übermaß und sind knapp 14". Du kannst aber den T Ironman 650 nehmen, und die Motorhalter vom 650 Sport. Das schafft Platz für bis zu 16". Das eLandegestell vom Sport passt auch. Wenn der 650 Sport nicht grenzwertig schwer wird, reicht aber das E600. Antrieb 4s geht natürlich auch, aber ein qualitativ vergleichbares Antriebsset wird insgesamt etwas teuerer als die Tuned Propulsion Sets von DJI.
+ITK Thomas Kremer SYNOSYSTEMS UAV hi Thomas, wie kann dann premium Modellbau.de ein 4S Antriebsset passend für den 650 Sport anbieten, welches 15 Zoll Props dabei hat?!
Da dürften die 14 Zoll vom E800 eigentlich kein Problem sein.
Thanx for replying keep me updated with your videos
Hi Thomas i see that you use sunrise 40a esc opto
an everyone suggest the hobbywing platinum pro opto 40a
there is a big different on price 18$ for sunrise and 33$ for hobbywing
is it worth the price or better stay with one you use.
by the way is this the one on your quad ? :www.himodel.com/electric/Sunrise_HiMulti_Series_Speed_Controller_for_Multicopter_HiMulti-40A-OPTO.html
thank you for your support
Hi Effy, we are dealer and are testing all major products for a short time before we are selling them. The Sunrise esc`s are very interesting, because they are fitting into many copter frames carbon tubes above 19 mm. Before testing them inside the tubes, we checked the temperature range with the TAROT 650 Sport (mounted on the upper centerplate). They remain cold and are working fine so far. We also sold a small amount (around 30 pcs.) to customers yet. So far, no problems with this product. The HW Platinum Pro esc is well known good quality. Hard to decide if the Sunrise esc`s are the same quality - it`s a question of experience in the near future. But if you buy from a Chinese dealer, you should get the HW Platinum Pro 40A noticeable below 30 USD ..... the difference belonging the prices is not that big.
Effy, I saw your link too late. sorry. This is not the same esc.! We are using this one on the Tarot Sport for testing: synosystems.de/de/motoren-regler-propeller/182-sunrise-40a-regler-multi-series-500-hz.html
Sehr schönes Video und toller Copter
ruclips.net/video/N3lweh1kPYo/видео.html
Schöner Copter, meine Version sieht so aus:
ruclips.net/video/N3lweh1kPYo/видео.html
how much weight it can lift
We recommend a max. AUW below 3 KG for this frame. Many people are flying this frame with higher AUW. But have an eye for the clips of the folding mechanism. The rest depends from your propulsion. The T4108 motors in this video (4008 version, 380KV) are offering around 1,7 KG thrust each (6s, 13" props).