the thing with electric motors is you can infinitely control the motor.. you can have a button that makes the tires spin at any speed or rpm instantly. you can even have a lever that makes the car pivot. you don't even need a handbrake.. you can literally decide what control you need and what you'd like to do and have a button or a dial for it.. got to get out of your mind the traditional way to control it.. its new paradigm... start from scratch...design new moves,, design new controls...
Waste of time. Need motors and batteries that can handle rapid and harsh charge/discharge cycles (~3 mins battery at drift extremes), as well as the same level of speed/grip as the gas cars
This interview with Travis was awesome. I can't wait for the PNW drift week!!! PARC is gonna be nuts!! Amazing content. Love what you guy's are putting out for the community. Keep it up.
I think Ford actually is the best positioned to make an electric drift car. They could partner with RTR and develop a car using the power train from the 1400 fiesta. All manufacturers stock price right now is driven off of the EV line up. Why not invest in an EV drift car in formula D? It would help show that Ford is committed to the EV lineup in the future. They have the budget and they have the team to help develop it on a championship platform. Re-engineering the suspension wouldn’t have to be done other than some spring rates. They also made that 9 second drag mustang so battery placement and management has been at least looked at. I love the concept. Great job Travis.
Ford will be the first imo. But doesn't chev already sell an electric replacement for LS engine that uses a t56 box makes 700 elecoponies... I'm sure I seen it on some sites
Pretty sure there’s no doubt it could be done with a modest motorsports budget and the right amount of ingenuity in drivetrain fabrication. If VW can make an EV racer go THAT FAST all the way up Pikes Peak for a little under 10 minutes uphill the whole way at high elevation that robs any cooling system of effectiveness, the 10 drift runs needed to win an event with the proper access to high-speed charging and requisite in-car battery management/cooling would be pretty easy in comparison.
Travis Reeder is rad & a good driver. I do not like EV. Many people do , because we live in an age where people prefer having an alternative opinion. First of all, the tech is not very new. What's possible now was also possible in 1990. Brushless has been around for 50+ years, EV cars for 110 years. Tesla's "breakthrough" was using more batteries to get more range. Which is no breakthrough, putting a larger gastank in a Hummer is the same thing. But why I really dislike EV , is because I'm from Europe. Here, EU governments are using insane amounts of tax money to push EV. In my country, there isn't even sufficient power to get 4% of all cars on EV. It would cost 50% of our GDP to change that (roughly 450 billion) and then its not even green energy (which is now 10% netto of all energry sold here). These governments use EV to outlaw combustion cars. They will use EV to cancel out motorsports. You can say "it won't happen" but it already is happening, with major manufacturers pulling out of rallying and endurance to do EV crap. Soon, racetracks will only be permitted EV cars. This way, people will swallow it. Banning racecars overnight would cause too much protest, so the coming years will be used to replace ICE with EV. EV is still bizarrely dangerous, with spontaneous fires caused by thermal runaway, turning entire parking lots to ashes, impossible to put out unless the car is submerged in a 20ft container of water. These problems will only increase. Also imagine, 250 of these cars charging in your neighbourhood. Even if 0.1% developed a problem, its serious. With America getting back on track with the ludicrous Trojan Horse Paris Climate Accord, this stands to happen in USA aswell. Alternatives such as biodiesel, LPG and ethanol are being laughed away and ignored, because governments have made their deal with EV. They love the idea of control; they can switch off your EV at any time if you don't meet their requirements. We must oppose EV and not be naive. This is a vessel that governments will use to outlaw Corvettes, S13's, AE86's diesel trucks etc.
Amen brother! Happy to see people who actually invest time and research things. People here are brainwashed into stupidity. And I thought Idiocracy was a really funny movie back then. Boy o boy how wrong I was.
Bad Politics probably.. youtube, sponsors, government's, or in general pretty much no one likes the truth and it was a honest talk and that's something that ppl don't want. They talked about what politics do and stuff, hard truth hurts to many ppl, so sad.
@@rbs14k Not to mention how they talked about how the governments makes us crush our cars (cash for clunkers o think it's called in the US) and therefore loosing all the cool car's and how the gov can control all the EV's.. wich is all true, just pretty much to much for most ppl to take but i consider it as one of the honest and therefore best videos in existence, especially hearing that kinda talk from car ppl was awesome..
@@rbs14k appreciate the rundown my dude, I wish I would have watched it before it got taken down. Reupload would be sick if someone has it, but id assume not because how could you see that coming.
bro I just commented on this shops youtube page like a week or 2 ago asking them to continue posting videos about their trials and tribulations with this car. Dunno if they are just done with the project, got burnt out, or what, but there is has been radio silence on this car for like a year or more. Hyped on this video though!
Anyone have advice on drifting a uncommon platform/car? I’m prepping for my first drift event and I want to hear advice/information regarding this topic.
I like the idea of a transmission and rear end as electric motors do have an ideal rpm that they are most efficient at so if you could utilize that with a transmission it could certainly make for an interesting opportunity
I don't think it will be the future personally. The margin for error is massive. Take for instance the battery pack remember when the Ferrari crashed and exploded into a inferno but was able to be put out and got back under control and the driver was ok, it could have been a lot worse if it was electric, once one cell of the battery is compromised you got to bet every single other cell will become compromised with it which leads to massive fires that can last for days even with fire fighters trying to put it out. As an example the Rimac that took a tumble off a small hill in sweden the battery pack was compromised and within moments it was in flames and thank goodness hammond got out of the car in time, the car then continued to catch fire FOR 7 DAYS after this as each cell of the battery collapsed. You might think well a fuel tank can become compromised and that is 100% true but.... without a spark its just a fuel spill and can be cleaned up in a matter of at most an hour but the moment a battery pack is compromised its a danger and even if it does catch fire it can be put out relatively quickly and doesn't shut the whole event down. So for events especially formula drift events there is almost a wreck at every round so unless they can find a solution for that problem its to dangerous for the drivers and one bad wreck could shut the event down. Also even if they can put out the fire the toxic fumes from the burning of acids in the batteries and other materials released into the air is no good for anyone in the area neither is carbon dioxide but its not nearly as bad so events like long beach that is in the middle of a bustling city will cease to exist because of the danger for passers by. Also I might sound old fashioned but the sound is in the top 2 best things about motorsport and without it it can feel dull which is one reason why Formula E is no where near as popular as Formula 1. Also as someone watching you cannot hear what the drivers are doing listening to the different throttle inputs and variations shows the drivers different styles and skill with an electric car other than the smoke trail you have no idea what the driver is doing which is less interesting for the people watching but also much more dangerous for the person who is battling him. To me electric cars are cool and all in some ways but will never be as cool as a gasoline car nor as fun to drive. Another point I would like to bring up is that it will eventually kill off any variation in the sport, all electric motors for the most part other than different outputs and little things here and their are the exact same so eventually everyone is going to end up with the same powertrain because this motor and battery system works the best so then it will all be up to the drivers and it will just be more of a let down when they fail and there is no real hail marry drivers coming in with an upset because everyone will be so ironed out and progression in the sport will just cease. But where as now every motor is different and behaves different in each chassis and people can have a personal preference because engines have certain characteristics that some love and others hate and as new engines come out and new cars the progression will just continue and thereby move the multibillion dollar aftermarket industry forward to new and better things. And people can come in and do things that have never been done before, For example Ryan tuerck in his Toyota Corrola making over 900whp on the stock style motor and being a serious contender for the championship, or what about his teammate Fredric Aasbo with the MK5 supra giving us some of the best battles in the 2020 season and pushing the platform of the MK5 forward. So in conclusion no I do not think Electric is the future for formula drift
I always figured throttle modulation would be the biggest issue with EV drift cars. I wonder if a motor rpm limiter and using a transmission would work better
I greatly dislike a lot of electric cars, but that camaro was a cool concept. Wish it had gone further. Plus I love new zl1’s/1le’s. I personally would’ve taken the motor and put it up front then run it through a gearbox. Would have made it more like driving a regular car
im gonna poke a question here not about the drivetrain but how did you make the camaro suspension and steering work because it seems like such an underused and underappreciated chassis
I don’t think they are used a lot due to weight and lack of interest in people, until someone cool makes them cool. There hasn’t anyone that has made them “cool” yet in drifting. The mustang was super uncool until Jr MADE it cool
@@LoneStarDrift dang the Camaro is so much nicer than the stang in my opinion and aren't they heavy cars seem to do alot of damage in drifting like the viper and mustang they are amazing when they are sorted
have a loan star drift 2 where you can put the nsfw stuff uncut where you dont have to worry about cussing for RUclips algorithm so you can point us to that copy off the main channel? like alexi does
I may or may not be the only one that thinks this, but I don't see drifting moving to electric vehicles and the sport lasting. Part of the appeal to spectators is the visceral sound. Without that, it will be kind of boring. It's much the same as Nascar. Who watches drift videos on mute? Not this guy.
I don't know that drifting is much of a spectator sport. I've always seen it like equestrian sports, where there are spectators, but only because those spectators are competitors or members of the community who are involved in the sport regardless of their seat in the grandstands.
This has been proven that you are not true. People tend to forget that it takes fossil fuels to make internal combustion cars then it takes fossil fuels to extract, refine, transport the fuel and eventually get burned. Plenty of studies have been done. Ev are more environmentally friendly than gas cars
You need to drive 100k miles to equalize emission output of one 95kWh battery pack compared to diesel powered vehicles. And then recycling becomes an issue. There are no procedures to process lithium ion batteries and you can't overhaul them either. Don't get me wrong I'm all for eco friendly but imo synthetic fuels or hydrogen will be more sustainable than electric battery powered vehicles.
The power plants that recharge your electric car don't have catalytic converters. Instead of the new gas car polluting a little,a mature technology, a new electric car grossly pollutes out the stack at the power plant that charges it .
@@turboturtle9083 most plants aren't coal these days in the US. Even if they are coal fired plants they are still more efficient at turning coal into energy than and internal combustion is turning gas into power. Majority of our power comes from natural gas these days though. Then you have to realize that electric motor is over 90 percent efficient so much less loss than ICE
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the thing with electric motors is you can infinitely control the motor.. you can have a button that makes the tires spin at any speed or rpm instantly. you can even have a lever that makes the car pivot. you don't even need a handbrake.. you can literally decide what control you need and what you'd like to do and have a button or a dial for it.. got to get out of your mind the traditional way to control it.. its new paradigm... start from scratch...design new moves,, design new controls...
Waste of time. Need motors and batteries that can handle rapid and harsh charge/discharge cycles (~3 mins battery at drift extremes), as well as the same level of speed/grip as the gas cars
This interview with Travis was awesome. I can't wait for the PNW drift week!!! PARC is gonna be nuts!! Amazing content. Love what you guy's are putting out for the community. Keep it up.
Its a good idea but yeah needs alot more development and software designed for drift sequential box.
I think Ford actually is the best positioned to make an electric drift car. They could partner with RTR and develop a car using the power train from the 1400 fiesta. All manufacturers stock price right now is driven off of the EV line up. Why not invest in an EV drift car in formula D? It would help show that Ford is committed to the EV lineup in the future. They have the budget and they have the team to help develop it on a championship platform. Re-engineering the suspension wouldn’t have to be done other than some spring rates. They also made that 9 second drag mustang so battery placement and management has been at least looked at.
I love the concept. Great job Travis.
Ford will be the first imo. But doesn't chev already sell an electric replacement for LS engine that uses a t56 box makes 700 elecoponies... I'm sure I seen it on some sites
Pretty sure there’s no doubt it could be done with a modest motorsports budget and the right amount of ingenuity in drivetrain fabrication. If VW can make an EV racer go THAT FAST all the way up Pikes Peak for a little under 10 minutes uphill the whole way at high elevation that robs any cooling system of effectiveness, the 10 drift runs needed to win an event with the proper access to high-speed charging and requisite in-car battery management/cooling would be pretty easy in comparison.
Factor in the money VW can spend on it vs his team, that's where the issue was.
Travis Reeder is rad & a good driver.
I do not like EV.
Many people do , because we live in an age where people prefer having an alternative opinion.
First of all, the tech is not very new. What's possible now was also possible in 1990. Brushless has been around for 50+ years, EV cars for 110 years. Tesla's "breakthrough" was using more batteries to get more range. Which is no breakthrough, putting a larger gastank in a Hummer is the same thing.
But why I really dislike EV , is because I'm from Europe. Here, EU governments are using insane amounts of tax money to push EV. In my country, there isn't even sufficient power to get 4% of all cars on EV. It would cost 50% of our GDP to change that (roughly 450 billion) and then its not even green energy (which is now 10% netto of all energry sold here). These governments use EV to outlaw combustion cars.
They will use EV to cancel out motorsports. You can say "it won't happen" but it already is happening, with major manufacturers pulling out of rallying and endurance to do EV crap.
Soon, racetracks will only be permitted EV cars. This way, people will swallow it. Banning racecars overnight would cause too much protest, so the coming years will be used to replace ICE with EV.
EV is still bizarrely dangerous, with spontaneous fires caused by thermal runaway, turning entire parking lots to ashes, impossible to put out unless the car is submerged in a 20ft container of water.
These problems will only increase.
Also imagine, 250 of these cars charging in your neighbourhood. Even if 0.1% developed a problem, its serious.
With America getting back on track with the ludicrous Trojan Horse Paris Climate Accord, this stands to happen in USA aswell.
Alternatives such as biodiesel, LPG and ethanol are being laughed away and ignored, because governments have made their deal with EV.
They love the idea of control; they can switch off your EV at any time if you don't meet their requirements.
We must oppose EV and not be naive. This is a vessel that governments will use to outlaw Corvettes, S13's, AE86's diesel trucks etc.
We are doing a video on this, get readu
@@LoneStarDrift anytime
Well said i wish E85 would get the support it deserves in europe.
@@gregorment9524 E85 and many other options
Amen brother! Happy to see people who actually invest time and research things. People here are brainwashed into stupidity. And I thought Idiocracy was a really funny movie back then. Boy o boy how wrong I was.
sounds like a Rich Rebuilds project...... lol never thought i would tie Drifting and Rich into the same comment LOL
YESYESYES!!!!
Where’d the chelsea video go :/
Bad Politics probably.. youtube, sponsors, government's, or in general pretty much no one likes the truth and it was a honest talk and that's something that ppl don't want. They talked about what politics do and stuff, hard truth hurts to many ppl, so sad.
which one?
@@rbs14k Not to mention how they talked about how the governments makes us crush our cars (cash for clunkers o think it's called in the US) and therefore loosing all the cool car's and how the gov can control all the EV's.. wich is all true, just pretty much to much for most ppl to take but i consider it as one of the honest and therefore best videos in existence, especially hearing that kinda talk from car ppl was awesome..
Its actually super important that big platforms speak up on this.
@@rbs14k appreciate the rundown my dude, I wish I would have watched it before it got taken down. Reupload would be sick if someone has it, but id assume not because how could you see that coming.
bro I just commented on this shops youtube page like a week or 2 ago asking them to continue posting videos about their trials and tribulations with this car. Dunno if they are just done with the project, got burnt out, or what, but there is has been radio silence on this car for like a year or more. Hyped on this video though!
To much good content i can't keep up busting a larry chan on me lol
Is there just no way to swap out the battery packs? That could maybe slide out from under the car and then load in a new pack?
There hasss to be a way to set up software to work like gearing
Anyone have advice on drifting a uncommon platform/car? I’m prepping for my first drift event and I want to hear advice/information regarding this topic.
What are you planning on using?
unknwn B 1982 280zx Turbo
@@girthmonster6421 do you plan on gutting the car? The rear suspensions aren’t made for that type of abuse
unknwn B I was thinking of gutting the car mildly. Not complete gutting of the interior
Just go out and drift it haha. You'll find its weaknesses and then can figure out what to upgrade. Just make sure it runs perfect mechanically first.
I like the idea of a transmission and rear end as electric motors do have an ideal rpm that they are most efficient at so if you could utilize that with a transmission it could certainly make for an interesting opportunity
Was waiting for this!!!! Me and my homie where just talking about this? Is this the future of formula drift?
fuk yeah heres i thought the e engine is the end of motorsport but fuk me this thing fuking flys and no gas bill yuuup
If its the future , it will be the end of viewers.
@@DriftJesus nah if it’s the only thing aloud ppl will definately still watch
I don't think it will be the future personally. The margin for error is massive. Take for instance the battery pack remember when the Ferrari crashed and exploded into a inferno but was able to be put out and got back under control and the driver was ok, it could have been a lot worse if it was electric, once one cell of the battery is compromised you got to bet every single other cell will become compromised with it which leads to massive fires that can last for days even with fire fighters trying to put it out. As an example the Rimac that took a tumble off a small hill in sweden the battery pack was compromised and within moments it was in flames and thank goodness hammond got out of the car in time, the car then continued to catch fire FOR 7 DAYS after this as each cell of the battery collapsed. You might think well a fuel tank can become compromised and that is 100% true but.... without a spark its just a fuel spill and can be cleaned up in a matter of at most an hour but the moment a battery pack is compromised its a danger and even if it does catch fire it can be put out relatively quickly and doesn't shut the whole event down. So for events especially formula drift events there is almost a wreck at every round so unless they can find a solution for that problem its to dangerous for the drivers and one bad wreck could shut the event down. Also even if they can put out the fire the toxic fumes from the burning of acids in the batteries and other materials released into the air is no good for anyone in the area neither is carbon dioxide but its not nearly as bad so events like long beach that is in the middle of a bustling city will cease to exist because of the danger for passers by. Also I might sound old fashioned but the sound is in the top 2 best things about motorsport and without it it can feel dull which is one reason why Formula E is no where near as popular as Formula 1. Also as someone watching you cannot hear what the drivers are doing listening to the different throttle inputs and variations shows the drivers different styles and skill with an electric car other than the smoke trail you have no idea what the driver is doing which is less interesting for the people watching but also much more dangerous for the person who is battling him. To me electric cars are cool and all in some ways but will never be as cool as a gasoline car nor as fun to drive. Another point I would like to bring up is that it will eventually kill off any variation in the sport, all electric motors for the most part other than different outputs and little things here and their are the exact same so eventually everyone is going to end up with the same powertrain because this motor and battery system works the best so then it will all be up to the drivers and it will just be more of a let down when they fail and there is no real hail marry drivers coming in with an upset because everyone will be so ironed out and progression in the sport will just cease. But where as now every motor is different and behaves different in each chassis and people can have a personal preference because engines have certain characteristics that some love and others hate and as new engines come out and new cars the progression will just continue and thereby move the multibillion dollar aftermarket industry forward to new and better things. And people can come in and do things that have never been done before, For example Ryan tuerck in his Toyota Corrola making over 900whp on the stock style motor and being a serious contender for the championship, or what about his teammate Fredric Aasbo with the MK5 supra giving us some of the best battles in the 2020 season and pushing the platform of the MK5 forward.
So in conclusion no I do not think Electric is the future for formula drift
@@tstuff1213 I agree, those batteries have thousands of cells and all are a potential danger
Still waiting on the Chelsea vid upload
How do you deal with no clutch kicking?
I always figured throttle modulation would be the biggest issue with EV drift cars. I wonder if a motor rpm limiter and using a transmission would work better
Software tuning or a gearbox or a really long throttle pedal so u can modulate it more
looks like your in the pnw now, im avail all this week to help map out some routes
Yo w ha t happened to the video with Chelsea regarding the golden age of drifting etc?
I remember seeing this not driving but on display at probrodown at etown and it was a really wild car to see
Did they have to charge it after each run?
Great interview!
I greatly dislike a lot of electric cars, but that camaro was a cool concept. Wish it had gone further. Plus I love new zl1’s/1le’s. I personally would’ve taken the motor and put it up front then run it through a gearbox. Would have made it more like driving a regular car
@@mattykobs wasn’t necessarily talking about a Tesla motor. There’s a few other kinds that can and have been manual
Where can I find the little microphones you're using now?
Rode
@@LoneStarDrift thanks, the Wireless Go?
TIL Losey knows a lot about Tesla and EV cars 🤔
im gonna poke a question here not about the drivetrain but how did you make the camaro suspension and steering work because it seems like such an underused and underappreciated chassis
I don’t think they are used a lot due to weight and lack of interest in people, until someone cool makes them cool. There hasn’t anyone that has made them “cool” yet in drifting. The mustang was super uncool until Jr MADE it cool
@@LoneStarDrift dang the Camaro is so much nicer than the stang in my opinion and aren't they heavy cars seem to do alot of damage in drifting like the viper and mustang they are amazing when they are sorted
They fit Wisefab for E9x with slight modification.
@@DriftJesus wait really?!
@@njdorset1050 yeah
I see fórmula E and was really loud (no scalectix) and the race was awesomes
Re-upload the 27 min Denofa vid i watched Saturday.
I have to cut out the cussing
@@LoneStarDrift don't be a pussy just leave it in
have a loan star drift 2 where you can put the nsfw stuff uncut where you dont have to worry about cussing for RUclips algorithm so you can point us to that copy off the main channel? like alexi does
@@LoneStarDrift I vote for the second Channel thing
The takeover thing? didn't have time to watch it when it was uploaded and I've been searching for it for 2 days now lol
Need Bisimoto's drivetrain from his EV Porsche! Very interesting
Travis you should explore cooling the battery's with Novec, I am pretty sure that is what some of the EV manufacture are using.
I may or may not be the only one that thinks this, but I don't see drifting moving to electric vehicles and the sport lasting. Part of the appeal to spectators is the visceral sound. Without that, it will be kind of boring. It's much the same as Nascar. Who watches drift videos on mute? Not this guy.
Applies to pretty much any car if you ask me.. 🤷🏼♂️ but what do I know 😂😜
I don't know that drifting is much of a spectator sport. I've always seen it like equestrian sports, where there are spectators, but only because those spectators are competitors or members of the community who are involved in the sport regardless of their seat in the grandstands.
electric racecars are pretty loud, just not as loud as a straight piped coyote
Lol at the misspelling in the title
I want to see a damn veggie fuel diesel contraption in FD. +1 if its sponsored by Crisco, Wesson, or Mazola
Someone needs to come up with a decent way to clutch an electric motor...
BDC is just announced Electric Drift Championship!
That was april fools.
Lololol
@@DriftJesus come on dont brake the fun everyone been searching for it!!!!
@@LoneStarDrift and it is not a bad idea to be the first on this concept, there could be loads of fundings from large fims if the concept catches on
@@gorkemcosgun noooooiiiiii LS go BWAaaaaaAAAAhhhhhh
Electric motor with right chasis = Beast !!
Trav is a FUCKIN BEAST
So you going to give us a walk around or tease us with the title just to stand there an talk lul
Drift week HQ lol
lmfao the dodge payment comment
They give them away to drive for free for a day because its data farming.
So sick and tired hearing people say electric vehicles are eco friendly. They are not! They're even worse than petrol powered vehicles.
This has been proven that you are not true. People tend to forget that it takes fossil fuels to make internal combustion cars then it takes fossil fuels to extract, refine, transport the fuel and eventually get burned. Plenty of studies have been done. Ev are more environmentally friendly than gas cars
@@Shiftheads lithium mining is the same cycle
You need to drive 100k miles to equalize emission output of one 95kWh battery pack compared to diesel powered vehicles. And then recycling becomes an issue. There are no procedures to process lithium ion batteries and you can't overhaul them either. Don't get me wrong I'm all for eco friendly but imo synthetic fuels or hydrogen will be more sustainable than electric battery powered vehicles.
The power plants that recharge your electric car don't have catalytic converters. Instead of the new gas car polluting a little,a mature technology, a new electric car grossly pollutes out the stack at the power plant that charges it .
@@turboturtle9083 most plants aren't coal these days in the US. Even if they are coal fired plants they are still more efficient at turning coal into energy than and internal combustion is turning gas into power. Majority of our power comes from natural gas these days though. Then you have to realize that electric motor is over 90 percent efficient so much less loss than ICE
where is the car lol
🤙🏾🤙🏾🤙🏾
drift week hq lol
great content, but holy crap man, let the guy talk. don't take a minute to ask a question that could be asked in 7 seconds.
Imagine a S Chassis with electric engine 👽