Incredible Mistake During Takeoff - American Eagle and United Express Embraer
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2023
- Watch how the pilots of 2 Embraer Jets forgot a critical part of the airplane configuration before takeoff at Los Angeles and Washington Dulles airports.
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Seeing as those engines are mandatory to actually getting off the ground, to call these incidents 'minor' is a great disservice to everyone entrusting their lives to these airlines.
Oh, yeah we’ve got to remember to start that other dang engine. MINOR my cow’s britches? Heck I don’t even own a cow. I guess a second engine was never mentioned in the checklist for run-up.
Actually, any twin engine aircraft is perfectly capable of taking off with only one engine. There are plenty of examples of engine failure right after lift off. It would require increased runway length to get to rotate speed. Not an excuse, off course.
@@davidquinn6161no, you can’t take off on one engine starting at zero or low speed. You couldn’t keep the airplane tracking straight down the runway and end up next to the runway.
The mistake is big, but the incident is indeed minor. The pilots know instantly that something is wrong. Nobody was in any danger.
The Embraer in the clip has tail mounted engines that are very close to the centre line of the plane. I think it probably could track track straight. I'd agree with you if the plane had wing mounted engines that are farther from the centre of the plane. Maybe some Embraer pilot could speak to that issue.
Something so rudimentary as starting your engines, forgetting to start them for takeoff is tantamount to forgetting to open your mouth when you're eating.
No because they have two engines , it's like opening your mouth while eating and forget that you will also have to open your ass hole a few moment later and then you say "oh shit"
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Good analogy.
Or forgetting to breathe ...
A good reminder that next time I go for a drive in my car - I'll try to remember to start the engine first.
Takeoff checklist:
1 - Did you close the doors?
2 - Are the engines running?
3 - Flaps?
4 - Thrust reversers closed?
5 - Elevator & Rudder trim good?
6 - Cabin pressurization set to auto?
@@jimwinchester339 7-passengers seated ? 8- Karens identified and secured ? 9- Doors are closed ? 10- Wheels attached and ground crew aren't ?
My first thought was that they hadn't turned on the #2 engine, or that it might be the flaps as I've read quite a few cases of that happening. But it's kinda derpy to forget to turn on the second engine 🙄 good job saving the day though.👍
0 - Are both pilots on the flight deck?
No mention that maybe their landing gear was still down.
One would think that a quick scan of the engine instrument cluster would have revealed that one of the engines had not been started.
It’s one of those “duh” instances.
See what happens when one THINKS?
Exactly! No rpm, EGR cold, numerous indications yet they don't SEE it, even though they look right at it! Glad I never fly regional flights!
@@JLange642 EGT, Lange. :)
When you have a multi-engine rating, always remember you have at least two engines!
They were too busy going through the checklist to check how many engines were started.
Too busy going through the checklist to go through The checklist.
@@haiwatigere6202 the engine start-up is probably near the top of the checklist -- they need another entry just prior to advancing to full throttle for take-off:
"did you forget to start the second engine again?"
Glad the warning systems worked.
In this case if it's not, the aircraft would not be able to reach V1 speed shortly so anyway they would have cancelled take off anyway
Don't have any confidence in pilots who overlook such a primary and glaringly obvious condition as one engine not running. TWO of them in the cockpit and they BOTH missed it? Unbelievable.
Person sitting by the dead engine must have had a real WTF moment.
If they overlooked a big something, what small ones are they missing. Scary to think about.
Exactly, the checklists are there to, hello, be checked and verified. What else are they skipping over in their haste, or are there needless items in the checklists that are not needed maybe?
_It’s not a matter of checklist. It’s a matter of incompetence._
That's why they have checklists, to counteract some of the incompetence.
Before takeoff, wouldn't you scan the engine instruments indicate oil pressures, and EGT readings are both indicating on both engines? It probably been obvious and caught why one set of engine gauges are reading zero.
Yes.
Yupp, agree, though you do this after setting TO-Power.. so the TO Already is initiated then.
Don't checklists include ensuring both engines on line? Really good that in both cases the automation warned them although the huge swing to starboard at full thrust would have been a clue that something was amiss.
No.
Yeah, well, as I said a moment ago in another comment, I suspect that operating (e.g., taxiing) the plane on only one engine is not an approved (or at least, expected) procedure by the manufacturer, so there's no checklist item to verify that both engines are running before takeoff.
@@Milesco It’s possible they were near the lowest amount of fuel required for their flight.
@@Milescoit’s approved and very common.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Well, I know it's common, but I don't know if it's approved by the manufacturer. Which is why I said I _suspect_ that it's not an approved procedure.
If you say it is, I'll take your word for it. But then why isn't it on the checklist?
and all four pilots lived in infamy in their airlines for the rest of their careers
“Hey, aren’t you the guy that forgot to activate the second engine on that Embraer?”
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Not if they were women, trans, POC, or neurodivergent. Then, they're brave survivors.
Nah, they were immediately hired by PIA
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That's why I watch them. One time, our plane coming in from Miami was late, so I was waiting at the gate with the pilot. I guess he saw that I was looking him over as I always do. Too old? Too young? Too tired? Hung over? Stoned? He asked me if I was nervous and I said yes. He said, "well you don't need to worry about me, you need to worry about those guys down there", pointing at the mechanics on the tarmac, fiddling with the underbelly of the plane. Never forgot that.
Mistakes bring the blood that safety rules are written with…
We're all human... which is why we have checklists.
Absolutely. But I suspect that operating (e.g., taxiing) the plane on only one engine is not an approved (or at least, expected) procedure by the manufacturer, so there's no checklist item to verify that both engines are running before takeoff.
@@MilescoProvision of checklists apparently is an airline responsibility.
@@geoh7777 You're saying the manufacturer has nothing to do with the creation of checklists?
I bet you there was nothing on the checklist saying verify both engines are running. Might be that way now! 🤣
@@thud9797 That'll be right after, "Did you buy enough fuel? Are you sure?"
One of the first call-outs after getting cleared for takeoff is "check power". The non-flying pilot is supposed to check the engine power setting and confirm other engine parameters are in the green.
No excuses please. In both cases an unacceptable error of judgement. Hundreds of lives at risk
Nonsens ! During takeoff
* the crew would notice lack off power on the engines,
* Would notice lack of acceleration of the aircraft
* Would notice not having reached the required TO-Speed at the spefiied distance.
All reasons to abort the TO but they where warned by the TO-Config disagree.
No lives at risk here.
Beside, lives are at risk as soon as you buy an airline ticket.
Does the plane make a funny noise if you didn't start both engines, or is that dumb? 🙄
@@robynzelickson6164 It does (modern planes at least).
It's called a TakeOff Config warning.
If your flaps are not set, your trim position is out of TakeOff range and such.
The warning system is usualy activated if one off the trottles goes beyond beyond reasonable taxi power and warns if one of the named parameters are not met.
It's not dumb ! It's a usefull system as it saves lives.
Most warning systems are.
Bullshit. The aircraft's warning systems alerted them immediately to an engine failure which was quickly determined to be due to a no-start. For what it's worth, an ERJ145 holds 50 passengers. And it wasn't judgment - in neither case did the pilots simply make a decision to leave one of the engines cold.
@@robynzelickson6164 Not dumb, but no. Probably not even audible in the cockpit, anyway, other than the warning from the engine-fail alert system.
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This is one of those 'did you remember to press the on button' moments...
I don't care what people think and I understand running the engines as little as possible and fuel saving, but I would want to know both engines have been run a decent amount of time to make sure they are ready to go. Get them both online as you are taxiing out. Cure most of the likelyhood of this kind of mistake.
American Eagle pilots covering and lying about the mistake makes it more serious.
Great video and such beautiful "birds"...too bad they have such "ill trained" pilots! Thank you for uploading and sharing! ✈✈😊
Today, all checklists MUST be short, and IF interrupted, MUST go back to the beginning.
I think they have changed them so that they have sections, rather than one long checklist.
maybe better for airlines to get rid of racism first!
Thats a good solution !
@@RaptorFromWeegeeRacism is an easy abuse. It is over used, and now is meaningless. Is part of the whole silly trans women thing - one claims to be pregnant. I was raised by a black woman, Zena. Chap called Mikhail, a servant, would walk 2 miles to buy me condensed milk when we were being starved at our isolated school - whipped with heavy duty electric cable. Never asked to be paid!
@@pascalcoole2725This is SO important! Forgetting slots/slats/flaps will KILL everyone on board. In the RAF, we had to know our checks by memory, and I always said mine out loud to increase my chance of actually dong them - still tried to take off with fuel cock closed once when rushing! Big red flag in front of my face and still missed it. Engine stopped as I lined up. Phew! In flying you CANNOT be too careful.
THAT IS FOR FUEL LESS CONSUMPTION
It is. And the airlines save thousands of pounds of fuel per day. Over my career I've done countless "delayed start" operations. I've never attempted a takeoff with an engine shutdown. The problem isn't trying to save fuel- whether it's for the environment or for shareholder value, it's a problem of experience and training.
Sounds like they need to put, [start 2nd engine] in the taxi checklist, if they are going to wait until they get close to the runway. Either that or stop all pilots from doing it this way. To be safe, make it the final taxi checklist item.
You may not be aware that pilots taxi on less than all engines when able to save fuel costs for their airline. Many FAR part 121 airlines have less than all engine taxi as a company required standard procedure. Pilots do not get paid extra for the fuel they save
Only the best & the brightest? God help us all!
Number of crew and passengers unknown??
Unknown because the FAA and NTSB didn't investigate. Only internal airline reports.
This is complancency. These pilots get into a rut doing the same thing over and over again. As a charter pilot, flight instructor, and aerobatic pilot there is no room for complacency. When your job becomes a rut it's time to get another.
I just don't understand how a pilot can NOT look at his EPR gauge when taxiing for takeoff. Wouldn't that be an important thing to look at during the start, run-up, taxi and takeoff? It would be easier if they just lit both engines before or during pushback. Doesn't engine 2 also run the electronics?
EPR gauges generally don't indicate any EPR during taxi, only when the power is increased above ground idle
Here's an idea. Make it mandatory that both engines must be on when leaving the gate. Oh, but we gotta save money on fuel. I guess gambling with people's lives in order to save money is worth the risk.😊
All the airlines go to extraordinary lengths to save fuel and prolong the lives of the jet engines. These kinds of planes make a lot take-offs and landings everyday.
Well, humans don't forget things by importance, but also by the level of stress or distraction. So, there were warning systems installed to avoid this becoming dangerous and those worked out within seconds. They worked out the problem and were safe. So, apart from the one mistake, everything was fine. Planes and procedures are designed in a way that a single error normally doesn't cause a deadly situation. And this philosophy worked out here. The pilots may have learned an important lesson and I wish them all the best for future.
We depended on AE to get to small town airport. Hated those planes.
Do these aircraft have takeoff configuration alarms, and if so, is this situation (one engine started) a condition that triggers it?
Yes, but they don't check the engines, only parking brake and flap setting
Mistakes do happen.I was glad to see no loss of Life,Etc..
"Engine failure on number two."
[Scans instruments and sees #2 RPM and EGT are both zero]
"DAMN, that engine failed and cooled off fast."
I only piloted a small ga aircraft for twelve logged hours but I remembered to start the engine on every flight.
As the witch doctor said, "If you want your boomerang to come back, you first have to throw it."
Some checklist. Isn’t there any check on engine gauges?
I was thinking back and I can't remember ever attempting a takeoff without starting the engine on my 182.
Time to shut down the Kmart School of Aviation!
So I hope the preflight checklist has the statement, "Prior to Takeoff roll, be sure both engines are running". I'm not a pilot but the view of the second AC, even I could see that engine #2 gauges were not moving, I would think someone on the flight deck would scan the instruments for normal indications.
I flew the plane for United express and I think both pairs of pilots should’ve been pulled off their flights, and given a pee test. I also think the cockpit voice recorder would’ve shown them both bullshitting the entire time. There’s a good 10 minutes from the gates they use at Dulles and the standard takeoff runway 27. They were definitely not too busy.
If you're too dumb to start the engines the FAA should have grounded these pilots permanently. No way I'd put my life in these guys hands.
Cripes! This is plain ridiculous!
There were stories during the fuel shortages of 727s taxing with their middle engine shut down to save fuel and forgetting to start it before the runway and rushing to get it lit. Are they true? Don't know....wasn't there but I can see it happening.
what pilot does not monitor their engine power as they start increasing power for takeoff? There are much bigger issues at hand here.
Pilot monitoring is the Captain, WTF was he monitoring?
Skirt length on the skywaitress.
"Pilots, as good as they are, they are not as good as you think they are." said by a former airline captain.
This might be a little more conceivable if it was a 747 with four engines you could possibly see for getting one of them I guess but as another convent mentioned, a scan of the instruments would show one is not running
In my opinion this is a flaw in the aviation industry (to call this a minor incident ) my background is petrochemical industry in that industry event such as this which would have high potential and from decision-making perspective is a major ,so would be treated as if it had a serious outcome and fully investigated which would lead to more widespread recommendations potentially leading to prevention of a full blown accident :imagine what it happened if they continue to take off roll -the aircraft may have veered off at high-speed or they may have attempted to take off and had a Runway overrun. Despite alarms the configuration or other alarm may not sound -this would not be the first time two faults occurred at the same situation
Yeah a full takeoff roll would never have properly commenced. It is serious but the ultimate risk to life would have been very low
These planes didn’t *come close* to taking off. Not even close, champ.
Wow, I'm glad they didn't actually do it right the first time and make it into the air as a result. Hopefully they woke up after, but it's certainly apparent they weren't the first time. They literally could not have even looked at their engine gauges before roll. So, there's forgetting to start them, and then forgetting to do the ten other things along the way that would have instantly clued you in.
There are mandatory checklists for MANY things for virtually all commercial flights. The more problems I see (some of them including fatal crashes), where the flight crew ignored the checklists, the more pissed of I get that there aren't FAR more severe sanctions for this.
It's one thing to have a surprise equipment failure or get confused by an emergency. It's quite another to not bother to do your job when you have the lives of many people in your hands.
The new breed of less experienced pilots coming out of “puppy mill” training.
These are the last pilots to skip checklist items ever again. If you are ever on their flights the check lists will be thoroughly followed. The humiliation alone has made them more professional and I believe that.Flying in todays world is fraught with distractions. Everyone and everything works against a safe outcome. Hence things like check lists. Good lessons learned here.
Neither seen that one of the engines was never started , there are gauges in front of them ,,, WOW. Have no words.
Don't be hard on these guys.
We ALL make mistakes right ?
Like the other day, I tried to leave home and after 20 minutes in my driveway, the unchanging scenery reminded me, I forgot to start my engine.
MY BAD !!!
38000 ft ……“ these engines are running great !! .. can’t even hear them !! “
There are gauges on the console which indicate the engine power and temperature levels. To "forget" These mandatory and basic tasks is criminal, putting the lives of the passengers at risk. They should be grounded permanently.
Definitely the lowest marks ever for situational awareness that didn’t result in personal injury or property damage. These “airmen” really had to work at these incidents.
The answer to these incidents is easy, the root cause is an abnormal preflight situation of only taxiing on one engine. Because of the proximity of the thrust of the engines to the centreline of the fuselage, that is possibly in these aircraft. However, the fuel saved is minuscule! The effective way to stop these incidents happening is to mandate that a taxi must not commence until both engines are running! SIMPLES
Airlines worldwide should ensure that flight crews do not communicate with the tower while a checklist is being performed. More so with approach control if possible. I've watched too many recreation videos where there were fatal and preventable crashes due to interrupted checklists, resulting in flaps and slats not being deployed, etc. Distractions can kill.
Don't know which "there" you have been to, but it must have not been in the air flying a plane talking to ATC. If a pilot were to tell a controller "stand by, we are doing checklists", you would find yourself sent to the penalty box on the ground or given holding instructions or never ending radar vectors prior to landing. If you flew for a living or even pleasure you would have learned this the first few times you flew.
@@gordonbryan8381 He’s a Cub fan, so he’s probably a little slow.
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WOW, forgot to start an engine. Drug test those pilots
The root cause was the company trying to maximise profits. The accountants would have calculated that by delaying the second engine start they could save a couple of dollars in fuel per flight which all adds up.
Prior take off all both cockpit crews had a short meal of juicy carrots
When you board a commercial airliner, who have no idea who is in the cockpit or how competent they are. A scary scenario.
Thank goodness the planes noticed something was wrong, right away!
What ever happened to checking oil pressure and engine temps?
I thought the embraer 135/145 has a TO config check?
Ironically the TO config doesn't check number of engines running.
At least they heeded the rnginr alarm...
One can only imagine the shame or blaming in the cockpit...
They should put a post it note on the dash.
Being so cheap onfuel and not starting both engines at the same time!
It’s possible they were near the lowest amount of fuel required for their flight.
Almost guaranteed. Airline management policies are often the root issue behind problems like this one. Managment has cut fuel on board to the absolute minimum. Hense the need to wait to the last possible minute before starting the second engine.@@sludge8506
Today my kids interrupted me so often I forgot to put dinner in the oven, despite it being on, this caused a 20 minute delay, imagine this being possible on an airplane and it being the engine! Unbelievable
Exactly the reason I much prefer to drive!!😉😄
umm -- aren't "Start engine #1" *AND* "Start engine #2" both on the checklist somehow ... ?
Empty coffee cup on throttle as reminder, like the pros do!
Makes you wonder if when landing do they check for 3 green or assume all is good .
I flew a lot of different multi-engine planes over three decades. I never once saw one that had - "Engines"......................" ON" on the checklist.
Isn't there some kind of indicator that only one engine is operational?
I'm just never getting into a plane again.
Better do EOT for taxi in. Not out.
THIS is why I hate to fly on all those little airplanes they got out now, those regional jets. The pilots are all low hour, young guys in their 20s. I swear, some of those regional jet pilots look like they're still in their teens.
With the shortage of pilots they got now, I wouldn't put it over them to be hiring unqualified pilots. And on top of THAT they're prioritizing DEI hires! As a business traveler this is giving me a heart condition.
With the full sized jets, 737s, A320s, 757s, at least you could be assured their pilots were high-hour, ex-military guys in their 40s or 50s.
PreFlight checklist are written in blood
Incredible to not verify both engines running, seems elementary but a sign of our times. At least the systems worked to abort.
LOL....they should make these guys fly only turboprop aircraft such as the King Air!! It's easy to see those engines running!!!
Do the pilots not instrument scan? Unbelievable!
HIRE THE GUY FROM NASCAR --- GENTLEMEN , START YOUR ENGINES ( THEN GO )
Maybe putting a sticky note on the inside of windshield would help them remember
6 Pilots should be walking!! A scan of the gauges before Takeoff would tell them one engine wasn't running! Total stupidity
Just a Private Pilot here - I would think that these highly trained ATP rated pilots would still have the common sense to make sure that BOTH engines are running before taking the runway. I guess that wasn't on the checklist.
Procedure-save fuel
And I'm assuming when running up the throttles to take off power you are supposed to at least give a quick once over to the engine parameters to make sure "everything is in the green" and you are making the power you are supposed to have.......on both engines LOL.
I'm not a pilot, but I'm guessing that operating the plane on only one engine is not an approved (or at least, expected) procedure by the manufacturer, so there's no checklist item to verify that both engines are running.
@@Milescoyou keep saying this over and over again. It’s approved and it’s very common practice.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Well, I know it's common, but I don't know if it's approved by the manufacturer or not. Which is why I said I'm _guessing_ that it's not an approved procedure.
If you say it is, I'll take your word for it. But then why isn't it on the checklist?
I say screw saving money and start BOTH engines in the beginning. How much extra fuel can they use up?
Maybe that could get the stewardess to come up there and check it for dim
If you're forgetting to start an engine what else are you forgetting.
Duncecaps, even a beginner pilot knows to start engine before flying.
They started both, problem was boeing employees forgot to install 2nd engine
It doesn’t get better repeating the same mistake
the other engine was still shrink-wrapped!
Captain and First Officer still employed?
Don’t they check their instrument panel, even Hellen Keller could see that one engine wasn’t running !