My husband can toss me like a ball of paper, on the bed it's fun, I'm 140 on my best day. Unfortunately I've lost weight due to sick. Gotta eat that bread! Greg is a weak animal, but it seemed to work. Sigh...
neal b operator Operator Don’t call me I’ll call you later!! I wouldn’t want to be anyone but me! I loved her so much! I’m so happy her career is finally coming back!
@Noob the Cat what "battle song" is this? Also I am so supportive of Shiloh because she has been through a lot of shit and is still making a better life than Gruggles.
she looks so healthy and beautiful, she went through so, so much shit from greg (she went septic because of him) & i know she lost a baby (not with greg), her life's been so hard. it warms my cold little soul to see that she's doing better. shiloh deserves happiness.
So in a way both girls have their part of responsibility in this whole story, i get if they were on their own, but their parents tried to help and show them Greg is a pieces of shit but they decided to fuck up and go with him.
You're seriously blaming two teenage girls for being groomed and not listening to their parents? I sincerely hope that you're just very young and don't understand the nuance of the situation.
@@cyborgrat It's so much easier to judge from the outside of the situation, but teenagers really can't take the blame for being groomed. They put Greg on a pedastal because they were young, inexperienced and saw him as a celebrity figure. Greg however is a full grown man and could have sought a mature lady his age, but he didn't want that because he can't control/manipulate her (Adrienne for example). I don't support Kai anymore because he has gone on to do disgusting things by choice, but Greg definitely shaped him, and Shiloh but she has got away and recovered so well to become her own woman.
Mathias Smith I think Kai’s dad knew if he said to come back in 10 years greg wouldn’t. Obviously Greg would have moved on and left Kai. Since he was saying he loved Kai so much the dad was testing that and Greg just manipulated Kai to get out of that question of his love.
jamada d you’re seriously trying to argue that 12 year olds are sexually mature just because they have sexual interests? They’re not fully grown or developed at that age by any means, mentally or physically
jamada d Bitch im a kid at a young age and i dont do any of those shit, like drinking or doing drugs or in a group sex, some twelve year olds are trying to get their grades up not drinking or doing drugs, or having sex. What in the bloody hell dude? and then i realized you said some, im sorry
jamada d I really hope you aren’t an adult. Yikes. You shouldn’t date people who are much older than you when you’re under 18 because there’s just so much you don’t know yet, like not microwaving eggs and other adulting things. Yes, girls have periods and breasts and can become pregnant at roughly 13 on average, but your brain isn’t fully developed, your body is still growing most of the time and you don’t have the emotional skills or life experience to be able to cope with situations in a healthy way because you are still a child. Lots of people take advantage of that. At 12 I was horny but not ready for actually having a relationship, and hey, that’s what masturbation is for! It took me till 15-16 to sort out my sexuality!!! And I was a “mature kid” according to the people around me. It’s not as weird if they’re roughly the same age as you because they’re also muddling through the same development as you, and therefore there isn’t that power imbalance. And if you’re going to throw biology at me then how about this: men don’t stop growing until roughly 21, brains aren’t fully developed until 17, women’s veins continue to grow bigger into their early 20s. If they’re mature, why are they still developing?! Being pregnant at early ages (12-15) is really dangerous for the mother because they aren’t fully developed. And historically, people didn’t get their periods until about 15-17 years old because living conditions were worse and it slowed down sexual development until they’d finished growing. Consent laws exist for a good reason, and are founded in science and logic, not just the whole biblical chastity thing. Please don’t date 12yos and claim them to be “sexually mature”. They’re not. Teenage years are for making dumb decisions you look back and cringe at, whilst you felt totally justified at the time. Unfortunately that also makes them vulnerable, because they believe they aren’t and everyone’s overreacting. Maturity comes from experience, and emotional maturity is just as important as physical maturity in relationships. I remember being 13 and thinking “I’m emotionally mature wtf?!” But now I look back I’m like no. No you weren’t. You still aren’t, 4 years later. TLDR: physical maturity ≠ emotional maturity, 12-17 year olds are not always sexually mature, this is illegal for a reason, don’t microwave eggs. Just stay safe and take care of yourself and others, and don’t date teens (or the adults if you are said teen) with an age gap.
I feel like he fetishizes Kai’s transness potentially, he might be into guys or fetishizes trans boys or androgynous girls. Though de-feminization makes sense as well
He is into dysphoric trans guys and is anti transition... (he referred to post top surgery trans men as science experiments...) so yeah its pretty gross when he tries to be fake woke
I don’t want to diminish this persons trans-ness as a byproduct of Onion’s abuse but I couldnt help but think of the expose on R Kelly. It’s similar to Onion’s behavior (using entertainment platform to groom/abuse underage girls) and one of his victims ended up transitioning into male bc of his fetishizing of it and his control of their identity.
I remember seeing a clip once where he was bragging about how Lainey was really feminine and straight when they met and he was the one that introduced her to the idea of dating women. I'm not necessarily going to say that him projecting his fetishes onto her actually caused these changes in her identity expression, but I do think that HE takes credit for the changes, and he takes pride in that level of control.
artloser honestly everyone is saying Kai is trans for attention because he hasn’t transitioned but if I’m being totally honest I think a bigger possibility is that Greg could be holding him back from transitioning based on the things he’s said about it in the past... My comment makes it sound like I think Kai is an okay person and he’s not by any means but I also don’t think it’s good to jump to any conclusions about his transition either. Even though Kai is a groomer and predator too I want to give him the benefit of the doubt in that respect or at least believe there’s some kind of underlying cause instead of just saying it’s for attention agh I hope I’m making any amount of sense because I know what I want to say it’s just hard for me to articulate
my biggest fear which i feel no one is bringing up is the danger the daughter is in like seriously would greg in the future molest her? i hate to even think that but every time we think this rotten pimple has hit a new low he gets lower and lower
considering she shares a name with a character greg's self-insert has sex with, he has incest fantasies, he's into underage girls, and kai will let him do anything he wants.... it's only a matter of time. It's chilling.
I've been hearing/seeing a lot of people saying that their kids are currently in custody of Kai's grandparents or one of their grandparents? I could be wrong but I hope it's true. I grew up in a fucked up household and it effects children for their entire life.
I wonder if Shiloh was abused by her parents or Greg played with her dreams of stardom in order to groom her in to thinking he was in love with her then when his behavior drive her crazy Greg dumped her.
Its honestly so inspiring that she is doing so well now! Your trauma doesnt define you. Your trauma doesnt have to hold you back. You can still be a successful, happy and healthy human. Mind over matter!
The whole “they can’t consent” is such bullshit because you consent for your child until they’re 18😂 he just wants to hide them. But im glad they aren’t, but sad because we can’t help😐
Defeminization is to infantilize the women so that they feel insecure and dependent on the narcissist. It is also used to make them appear under-matured.
I wonder what's going to happen to Kai when they... well, get too old for Onision. Even right now, he seems to only be using them as a nanny for their kids and to reel in new, impressionable teenage fuck buddies. Man, what a dysfunctional fucking family.
@@DrCatdeJong I don't think the underweight thing is to make them look younger/underdeveloped. I think is moreso like how there are "chubby chasers" who prefer women who are above the average weight except in the opposite direction (women who are under the average weight). Both are unhealthy, obviously, but kinks are pretty happy to disregard health concerns.
@@HeyImLucious it could be a fetish, but i think in his case it has a bit of a darker thing behind it. According to Shiloh he was watching hentai with very underdeveloped characters in it getting raped. She herself had to loose weight too. Also constantly looking up age of consent laws per state to be intimate with his underage girlfriends. And let's not forget what ge described in one of his books where he was very young himself when he had his first encounter with a 15 year old girl, this could explain why he only gets gratification from girls that are compairable to that experience. I'm not saying i'm sure he is a pedophile, but there are a hell of a lot of red flags indicating that he might be. And let's not forget his partner in crime, without Kai he would've never gotten Billy and Sarah to sleep with him.
Nobody wants to say it so I'll say it, it's not just about when his daughter has friends over. We have to acknowledge that fathers DO also abuse their daughters themselves.
"whats going to happen when their daughter comes to the age that she wants to have her friends over?" i felt physically sick at that line. not just that we need to worry about when his own daughter comes to the age he becomes attracted to, but we need to worry about children that are entirely uninvolved with him that will still be in danger. its disgusting.
Tazz I totally agree with you. He’s the type of creepy asshole that would def try to fck one of his daughters friends and then possibly try to marry them. Just like he did When he met Taylor. Pluck the girl up when she’s young, so he can mold her into whatever he wants. He’s a sick, sick individual.
So, I'm going to possibly confess to a crime called Vigilante justice. I'm a sixteen year old girl, and I've been reading up on Onision lately, and finding out how to contact him so that I can fly to him, armed with a basic kitchen knife, Pepper Spray, and a .38 Cal. (If it gets serious.) However, I need assistance, such as how I can reach him, and fully convince him. Any ideas?
*what's going to happen when their teenage daughter wants to have her female friends over for sleepovers* oh my god I didn't even consider that. That is actually terrifying
@@Couscouscouscous I think he and Kai are currently getting investigated. These things take a long time cus they had to take in all the information (Chris is still interviewing people) and check thier validity (which I think would be easy to do).
14:14 "he was having sex with me" Notice her wording.... it speaks volumes... it should say "we were having sex"... it shows how he used her body for his needs and didnt care for her needs at all.... Shiloh has all my respect , she is so beautiful and modest☆
Her wording was random, but I have no doubt what you said he did to her may be true. People word things different ways randomly in very many situations.
“How much power does this man think he has?” Idk man...considering you wanted to date a 15 year old....I’d say about “reasonable dad” levels of power..
I'm stealing this comment, but Dad Power is also multiplied exponentially if they have a "2nd Amendment" modifier bonus. "Friendship" dont mean shit to a .357 slug in the gut.
when you mentioned the "de-feminization" thing it strongly reminded me of R Kelly which I think is very telling, given his abuse of women and his sex cult. One of his victims was forced to keep her hair short and dress in baggy clothing because he wanted her to look like a boy.
Or a young underdeveloped teenage girl I- 0 , o You know an insecure, easily persuaded, weak, innocent child? The baggy clothing hiding their curves? Making them look like an angsty teenager? Oop
I'm legit worried for their children. Not just their daughter's *friends* , I wouldn't neccessarily put incest beneath onion. Especially considering that he's gotten crazier with time...
Moifi kea i heard onion boy wouldn’t speak to his daughter until she was old enough to talk back because he thought it was pointless to interact with someone who couldn’t speak
Wild Child lol he's the kinda guy that would subject their kid to brutal snuff as soon as they can process it because 'there's no point shielding them from the real world'
Some youtuber or twitter account has recorded one of onions livestreams where he said that TeCNhicAlly and MorRally incest isn't bad if both parties 'consent' 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 someone please take his children away
adam's interview literally broke my heart. he seems so genuinely sad and hurt by being used by kai and as a trans man myself, i can't even imagine how manipulative kai was to convince adam to send a topless pic. i have changed in front of one (1) person ever and broke down crying later that night. its so dysphoric and personal and to know that kai, supposedly a trans man himself, manipulated adam into sending topless pics despite adam being so uncomfortable and kai supposedly having top dysphoria himself is so foul and disgusting.
I'm a trans man as well and I can say that I had a similar reaction to Adam's interview. I also noticed that Kai takes on traits of his victims as he discards them. It made me squirm to hear that Kai (who supposedly has "really bad" chest dysphoria) would do that to another trans male without batting an eye.
It took me so long to be able to change in front of my best friend, and he’s trans also. But we’re also fwb so we’ve gotten used to it now. But the fact that I’m able to go topless around someone and still feel like a whole ass man is honestly wonderful. I hope one day you can kick dysphoria’s ass. I hope we both can. Even if it takes top surgery to become completely comfortable, one day it will happen
Yes, that was heartbreaking. What a douche move. i would never play games with someone about their body at all, let alone someone with dysphoria. If Kai is trans, how does he not get this in others but permits/accepts it in himself?
Agreed, I wish the severity of the situation with Adam was brought to light more, but I don’t want him to feel pushed into anything. The overall situation is repulsive and I hope Adam is doing better
That “hair cut” clip made me cringe. He was so rough. With Kai. And u could tell he was used to being that rough. On cam he doesn’t even think twice. So when cameras are not on I wonder what it’s like....
In part I agree. But things u are used to doing and are never corrected on, make u believe there’s nothing wrong with doing it. More and more time passes it’s second nature to u... I think he’s so used to it. I did catch the “not in this context” to me that is insinuating it’s ok to be touch I. The bed room. Everything about these ppl make me sick
Kai said "I accept it" and Grog said "yes you do" Like he was happy that his little submissive Stockholm Syndrome level 500 spineless partner had learnt how to give in Ugh i physically retracted into myself it was so cringy
Ishani Sasdev I love being pulled around and played with rough like that but without consent absolutely not. He was way too rough with Kai and it was clear that Kai was uncomfortable. Now Kai is a predator too. (Edit: 3:32 am- I have to say I’m into kink & BDSM as a legal adult in my state, with consent and this is clearly not consensual. Kai looks very uncomfortable, beyond being a brat/little something of that nature. Even if Kai WAS a victim they are a PREDATOR now. And Grog and Kai (LaineyBot) need to be stopped.)
I have to interject that I've been in some BDSM relationships, and there are times that we were a little rough with each other, so being handsy isn't always bad. I'm not defending the bastard, I promise, but in BDSM there are roles like Brat and Brat Tamer. The Brat basically acts like they are annoyed by the Brat Tamer being rough. But I want to reiterate that guidelines and boundaries always need to be clearly established beforehand. Which I doubt that Greg has done.
It’s heartbreaking to know how Greg abused him from such a young age. But my sympathy ends with child grooming and standing by while others are abused. That’s unforgivable
bjorksbackyard I think I remember him saying he wanted to move to a different country (mostly somewhere in the UK) based off of age of consent. It was quite a few years ago though. Kai was still Lainey and had only just gotten into the picture I think
In Shiloh’s interview, there were so many absolutely horrific things that were discussed. All of the interviews were rough, but the thing in shilohs that really, really got me was how she’d say ‘he was having sex with me’, ‘we were having sex’. Just the way she words it sometimes and the tone of her voice really just twists my gut up in knots
That was really sad and I'm glad she's comfortable enough to talk about it. The other thing I found distrubing here was when Greg was pulling Kai's head around when using the clippers, he was clearly showing off for the camera but the way he said 'you like it' and Kai said 'not in this context' was a red flag. It means to me that he is treating Kai sexually the exact same way he treated Shiloh but Kai is allowing it because once again, superfan.
TKPS i don’t doubt that he does, and it really, really concerns me. I think he learned from Shiloh and Adrienne that piling that much of his abuse on at once was too much. I think he’s toned it down to do it subtly at first, to keep his partners there so he can unleash all he wants to without them abandoning ship. It’s truly terrifying to think about.
Noob the Cat that’s the kind of sick fuck he is. He’ll mock his victims publicly, and then claim it’s comedy. I agree that Shiloh’s interview was the most harrowing, and personally I don’t think there’s a word for how utterly gut wrenching and devastating it was. If you go back through the other interviews, or even just the master timeline, there are posts and videos onion has made during those relationships and communications where it is now a very obvious jibe. It’s like having a conversation where the abuser says something that doesn’t seem anything other than ordinary to us, but it’s designed to covertly prod and mock the victim. It flies under our radar until after the victims come out with timeframes and harrowing accounts, like he gets off on publicly humiliating and abusing these poor young women. It really makes you wonder how many of his posts are subtle digs at Kai that no one but him picks up on. Absolutely disgusting.
And not to mention what Kai does himself. In some ways, he’s almost worse than onision because Kai doesn’t really bother hiding it. He’s picked up on onions tactics, but hasn’t learnt his subtlety
Your comment on how Greg's formed his online persona to attract teen girls is spot on. I used to be a fan of his when I was in my early teens (in the early 2010s, around when he got together with Kai) because of the way he talked about body image, self esteem, depression, etc. The content he made at that time pandered to insecure teenage girls who just wanted to be validated, and that was me back then. I'm sure that was the majority of his fanbase, because that's who his videos were made for. It's horrifying. I have no clue what content he makes now (because fuck if I'm going to watch any of it), but the thought that there are still likely young, impressionable, insecure girls watching him scares the shit out of me.
that’s exactly why i started watching him too back then. he was also so opinionated about the serious topics he was talking about that a young girl wouldn’t have any knowledge on. i was so young and i wanted to learn about that stuff and he was charismatic in that way.
As an insecure teen girl with anxiety and depression I smell the bull shit he’s trying to spoon feed me from a mile away, and I’m sure most girls are. The only people watching him now are his past fans (who are honestly too far gone at this point)
I just randomly came across him when I was what? 9? 10? Still getting over my anorexia from the plethora of body image problems that man instilled within me and hundreds if not thousands of other girls... Like the number of former Onision fangirls who grew up to have eating disorders is honestly terrifying..
Same here, I had an eating disorder back then, 2013-2016, and those videos actually helped me, but man, I feel embarrassed that I couldn't see how wrong it all was
@@renisstillren9493 Holy shit, you too? I thought I was just odd for having even more self esteem issues after watching him when I was younger. Always poking at my stomach, always thinking I wasn't beautiful for not being thin. I didn't watch him for long but I'm sure if I had I would've developed an eating disorder
@@watchmedo635 Chris Hansen has been doing this FOR Years. he started on Dateline NBC. Chris might be the last of a good lot of reporters. Caring, Empathetic, and just wants the truth. there aren't many of them left.
@Grant McDaniel NOT TRUE. Greg is doing damage to young, vulnerable, UNDERAGE girls and he needs to be stopped. Is it any less important that Gerg is harming less victims? NO. We should have a zero tolerance policy on this and what Chris Hansen is doing is good and most likely more than you or most people are doing to get perpetrators off the internet and the street.
Dont stop trying to be funny cause of a comment please! If comedia is you love go for it! No one is born with knowledge. No baby donatelo born with a pencil in its hands
The whole thing is disgusting. It's an exercise in derogation, "that's an adult", "who reacts like that to a blueberry?", etc. It looks a lot like a passive agressive form of abuse. I could be wrong but it feels wrong.
@@irrittt only real retribution that can be attained is if Onision is sent to prison and fucked 16 times a day, with the gang members making new holes to fuck with shanks tbh lol
@Bersa Brie That concept is so glorious that I wish Washington would bring back the electric chair just for this. Maybe they could do a live broadcast of it; that bastard is a stain on my state's history.
@Julie Kavanagh unrelated but I fuckin' love your icon. 100% Here For Bisexual Aliens. catch me standing in a field yelling @ them to abduct me off this hell orb
@Julie Kavanagh I mean you're not wrong there. man I wish bioware didn't suck so bad these days. like sure it's theoretically possible they'll turn anthem around but I honestly can't see that happening at this point
If you've ever seen the videos of Onision talking about his 3year stint with the Air Force, he's talked about how "degrading" it was for him to have to shave his head to keep it in regulations. (note: air Force has some of the most relaxed hair standards and shaving near to bald is not a requirement) when I later heard about he shaved Shiloh's head during sex and abused her, I remembered his comments and it's just so sick because he obviously views shaving as a degrading but "power" move.
“Won’t anybody think of the children!?” Seriously though, somebody think of those kids. Get them out of there. This situation has blown the hell up recently and it’s really going to effect them.
I think some women get their confidence and sense of power from being feminine and pretty. For someone who values their feminine appearance, taking it away would probably reduce their confidence and make them easier to control. They'll perceive themselves as less attractive which makes them more vulnerable.
In regards of the defeminisation, I'd argue: The objective of it, is to remove any sex appeal from the victim, to give Greg more power. To explain how I believe an abuser would utilise this, I'll try to explain through an example situation. Let's say you have a hypothetical average woman, with long hair, nice nails, attractive makeup, walking down the street. Random people might have a glance and think: "She's attractive". Now, let's try this example again, except this time, the woman has no hair, ripped nails, makeup that makes them look like a freaking zombie. Not many people will glance at that and think: "that's attractive". I think that's the purpose of the defeminisation from Greg. It's so he can say: "only I will EVER find you attractive. No one will find you attractive if you look like that". Which leads to the victim having a low self esteem and become dependant on Greg. In a kind of: "only Greg will ever love me, so there is no point in me leaving". Sorry for the essay. I just find it truly disgusting that someone would utilize these techniques to such devastating effect.
I think Kai was already a little off before they met onision. Every time I hear him speak or do anything really, Kai just reminds me of a little child. They say trauma kind of freezes your emotional or mental development sometimes and for her to fit so perfectly into onisions mold, who knows what they experienced in their past.
I agree. To be with a man like greg to begin with I can only imagine the lack of confidence and self respect it would take. Knowing she was a teenager too explains falling in love too easily and becoming overtly attached to such a, for lack of a better expression, dominant masculine figure. Her disobedience to her parents also hints at her mental state at the time. Most healthy teenagers wouldn't run off with someone almost a decade their senior anyway.
uhh it's fine to hold kai accountable for his actions as an adult, but it REALLY screams victim blaming mentality to go "oh this teenager who got exploited and manipulated by a grown man mustve had something wrong with them, otherwise it wouldn't have worked". have some common sense
@@mica8701 That’s like the opposite of victims blaming…wondering if someone’s past trauma causes them to stay with an abusive partner is like not blaming the victim at all. It’s trying to sympathize and figure out what type of help would make said victim leave the abuse. Saying she probably didn’t have a healthy teenage hood because of her actions doesn’t mean they are saying its the persons fault. Most healthy teenagers dont run away to leave with someone nearly a decade older and especially one who has a history of abuse. Groomers and assaulters literally look for victims who ARE from troubled backgrounds for that very reason. So no, that’s not victim blaming and i really don’t think you know what the word actually means
Something that no one talks about: If Greg is Notoriously attracted to 17 year old girls, and that's only because it's legal in some states, than he's PROBABLY also sexually attracted to 15, 14, 13 year olds... I don't see why he wouldn't. The only thing stopping him is the law. And that's Disgusting
@@sweepingshadows844 I see your point, but every girl looks developed at a different age. for example me at 17 I still looked 14 or 13. The other day I was alone at the beach and some grown man started talking to me. He asked how old I am, I said 24 he said "wow u look much younger. I thought u were like 16 or even 15. You just don't look very developed, some girls at 15 even 14 already have big tits and ass" long story short I just stared at him in disgust and he walked away...
@@sweepingshadows844 Long story short I don't subscribe to the naive thought that Greg would only go for a 17 yr old cuz he surely started talking to them when they were 16. Or even 15. Don't tell me his attraction magically started when they turned 17 cuz otherwise why would he be talking to them in the 1st place
Irit Reddy yeha but when I was 14 I was always mistaken for 18 and over So I just think it’s a bit ignorant to generalize that But totally understand what your saying
“How much power does he think he has?” Now this line hit like a train. Onion boy said this in such a way that made him sound like he thought he had more “power” then her dad. If I was her dad and I heard him say such things, his ass would be thoroughly kicked.
As someone who was once in Kai's position of being manipulated at a young age, I understand him. I do not sympathize him, as he has become the monster that controls him.
I think another point of defeminisation is like a reduction of your identity and self expression as well as confidence. Let me preface this by saying i know every person is different and not all of us experience things the same but as a feminist and psychology student this is my interpretation. (sorry for the long comment) I'm not a very feminine woman (for instance, I shop in the men's section and i don't shave) but it's still important for me to feel like a woman. It's validating, dignifying and just humanising for a woman to feel like a woman (there's a reason gender dysphoria/euphoria often exists in trans people- it's just more noticeable when something's out of order)- defeminization for this reason is a frequent human rights issue with female prisoners, females in refugee camps, etc. Also we know that he forces these styles onto them- denying them their own self-expression and dismissing their identity (very common in abuse). It may also lead to a questioning of their own identity or a potential loss of identity - creating an unstable person easier to control. It's also a very good way to make someone feel insecure. (I know growing up I regularly felt insecure and unattractive to guys because I didn't resemble the women and girls around me or in media- in aesthetic and personality.) An insecure person is easier to control and manipulate. And then there's the making them "unattractive" of it all. This is not how they feel pretty, so he's making them feel ugly. They feel ugly thus they feel like they are not good enough for him. Thus, causing them to seek his approval even more- making his manipulative expressions of """"love"""" more effective as well as causing them to bend more to his will. I want to mention that this isn't exclusive to women (especially the need to feel validated in our gender). All of the above can be done to men in the opposite way as well. I've definetely heard of abuse cases where men were emasculated and/or forced to perform more feminine. Edit: the post ends here but if you're curious for more of the psychology behind it ; notice; women will often praise how men they love make them "feel like a woman" -> just pointing out where it is in normal everyday situations in case you haven't noticed this particular nook of human behavior // also this is kind of irrelevant but it's also something commercialism very much thrives on: "you're not feminine if you don't shave/don't have long hair/don't do make up/etc." -> also works in shaming men away from these things by saying they are feminine if they DO do these things and shaming women away from "manly" things and men into "manly" things. gender validation is important for a lot of us to thrive; societal construct or not, gender roles be damned, its part of our identity- it's an in-group (part of social identity theory where we divide the world into us and them (an in group and an out group) and our relationship to this group effects our identity and is important to our wellbeing bc as we all know we're social creatures with the craving of relationships with and validation from others). however unconscious the process might be, i think this might be part of why we're so attached to feeling validated as our gender - it confirms our rightful belonging to this group and validates our attachment to the label and the schema (grouping of information) attached to said label. (this isn't exclusive to gender of course I also enjoy being validated as a swede, as gen z, etc.)
The fact that he's wanting to make them feel like they're at rock bottom makes him look extremely insecure. It's just so warped and twisted though. The way he has a sexual thrill from hurting young girls is flooring. I cannot believe he's not in prison.
@@FoidGames it baffles me more the fact that he wasn't banned from you tube... I'm not really someone to believe in conspiracy theories, but maybe he *does* know someone that work for the platform?
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KAI WAS 15 huh??????? kai’s dad didn’t have a problem with a 24 year old talking to a 15 year old?????? and how long were they talking for before he met her dad because you don’t meet the parents right off?????
Rose Thompson literally the only thing that stopped him from going full cult leader is the fact that his appeal on the internet does not translate to real life, he can’t keep the facade up and people see what a monster her is.
Seriously imagine your kid just going through all that crap and then helping their abuser, becoming an accomplice and doing the same shit to other people. All the while you know that your grandchildren are suffering in this horrible situation as well. I reallt hope the kids get taken away, for their sake, noone deserves to go through this shit.
No, I am SO GLAD you brought up the defeminization! Nobody will talk about it but is absolutely a ligament road to in the least, look down. I am not going to apologize for feeling like it is strange that Kai used to be very feminine, 0 mention of any dysphoria (actually the opposite at times) .... years later after living every second around Greg..... enough said. It’s a valid point, that is all.
Actually there are a lot of people and creators that talk about it. Even still you're right it should be getting even more attention. I seriously think too many people are afraid to address it because then it is getting into the Kai/trans territory. That is something people tip toe around because, well obvious reasons. There are more & more people and creators who are "going there" now. I will always stand by my feelings that Kai is not trans & would never have been trans without being with Greg. It is so messed up.
Kai actually has mentioned dysphoria many times both on and off camera. Kai had also spoken of feeling uncomfortable with his birth gender in his earliest conversations with Greg before they had officially started dating. I'm not saying that Onision doesnt defeminize his victims, he definitely does. I'm saying that Kai genuinely is trans and I think that Kai is probably even MORE trans nowadays because he feels unsafe as a woman around shreg. I think that one of the main reasons shreg is attracted to Kai is because he sees kai as a defeminized woman. Shreg, despite being kais husband, has so much trouble gendering his own spouse properly and it's pretty obvious that Greg doesn't see Kai as a fellow man, depsite how kai sees himself.
@@kkittycatkat1990 I'm glad! I haven't noticed many people discussing it but I also can't put myself thru too many peoples videos on the topic, just too many lol! I just stick to 2 or 3 I have been subbed to instead of branching out.
@@backwardsbandit8094 OK I believe you then if Kai has said those things in the past. I really shouldn't bring it up bc I can not point to exactly what, but I have heard Kai say many things over the years that seemed innately feminine. I'm not denying they're personal truth but I am questioning where it comes from. Normally I wouldn't even do that but in this situation I think you have to bc of the surrounding issues. I just hate seeing what he has put so many people thru and the horrible decisions it has led them to make.
@@simonsays5552 alllright time to discuss the intricacies of being trans and what happens to MANY trans people, especially trans men throughout their lives. Makeup does not have a gender. James Charles is not suddenly a woman because he is a makeup guru. Many trans men grow up as women and theyre exposed to aspects of womanhood that they find fun and theyre comfortable with. Makeup is not always a huge trigger for them in fact a lot of them use make-up to masculinize their face anyway. Colourful and artistic people regardless of gender like to colour their hair and look all pretty and glamourous. Cis men do it and so do many many trans men because they were exposed to it due to spending a part of their lives as a woman. Its really not rocket science.
Na he straight. He wishes he was Shane. Like an extension of him. Like kissing the idolized version of him. Pure narcissism. Like kissing a mirror but "better", with delusion!
I firmly believe Kai should be held accountable for his actions. I, also, genuinely believe he can be deprogrammed and rehabilitated if removed from Greg’s influence. The two aren’t mutually exclusive imo Edited for grammar
Anthony Weiner that’s what I’m calling for. I want *him to be held accountable for *his actions. That doesn’t mean *he wasn’t young, troubled, and easily influenced by Greg. The goal is supposed to be rehabilitation. Our penal system often forgets that. Clearly, so do ppl like you.
Kai doesn't have a personality, because Greg sucked out any they pontentially might have had. I don't think Greg would be able to live with anyone who has personality, because personality comes with opinions and thoughts that are not Greg's and we all know he can't deal with that very well.
I don't think it's ironic at all that kai is the one getting in trouble with the fbi. I actually think Greg is very smart and used kai to do the dirty work so his hands could stay clean here. Quite disgusting actually.
@Noob the Cat now that you bring that up, I refuse to believe that Gruggles is a valid human person. Not only does he act so inhumanely cruel and evil, but he constantly refers to other people as "Human Beings" as if to distance himself above us. Gruggles is a spawn of hell sent to punish us.
I didn't realise that Kai didn't come out as bi or start to transition until after they were married and had children. I wonder how he'd react to finding out that their chosen surname for marriage (Avaroe) is taken from a tribe that practices polyandry (two or more men sharing a wife). I have no proof that this is where Greg got the name from, but it's a pretty unusual one and given his reverence for native tribes, I'm pretty sure that's it. That means Greg was also plotting and fixating on the idea of turning Kai into a man and then luring in younger women long before it happened.
@@theunknown760 Depends on how you read it, but I did ramble a bit lol For clarification, I saw somebody commenting on the last name 'Avaroe' being unusual and wondering where he got it from, so I decided to do some digging. The only results I found that weren't tied to Greg were all excerpts from various books about marriage and partnerships in more primitive cultures. I couldn't find anything else on this tribe, so that seems like their most noteworthy custom. [It is the form (of polyandry) which Humboldt found among the (Native Americans). "Among the Avaroes and the Maypures," he says, "brothers have often but one wife."] So Greg might have chosen the name, based on nothing more than this information, long before Kai started to transition or discover she liked girls. Combined with Kai's own statements about Greg being the one who pushed her to be more boyish and start having girlfriends, the implications are pretty shocking. But, admittedly, based purely on speculation.
I don't think they could have done anything to help. Probably all they can do is try to remain in her life as much as possible and let her know that she can come back, no one kicked her out Although considering what she's done
i think the "de-feminization" thing is purely about power. with girls and women, i think to "de-feminize" them (at least in the way that osciety still treats femininity) is supposed to make them feel less like themselves, less attractive in their own eyes (since as you can see with billy (or billie?), she rather likes putting makeup on, suggesting that she likes how she looks with it on) and less powerful, since they cant control their appearance anymore. i think this would be just as possible with guys for example, forcing a man wear tight, "girly" clothes or something. well, basically, forcing someone to do something they dont want to, and i think its just especially effective when its so outwardly obvious as with clothes and makeup.
I was thinking Shiloh looks absolutely awful with the heavy highlighter and fake lashes, but after finding out onision likely forbid her to wear makeup, I understand it's a kind of rebellion. Of course she can wear whatever she likes, but I personally prefer makeup that's a little more natural.
@@BlueberryDragon13 i think we need to learn as a collective to maybe keep these kinds of comments to ourselves. i see what your point is, but you really could've done that without calling someones makeup horrible-looking yeah? lets just be a little bit more aware of whom we could hurt with our comments (maybe ppl read this that like to do their makeup in the same way for example).
I didnt even think about their daughter having friends over... omg... Im afraid of when their daughter reaches 15 (the age Onion likes), but never once thought about her friends being in the house with him, thats terrifying. This whole thing is terrifying
GO OFF!! absolutely the same here, I was always looking for bodies similar to what I thought mine looked like and wanted to hear him call these bodies fat and overweight... it was so goddamn toxic and I hate how many times I watched these videos
As a person who keeps up with this story and has been aware of Greg’s platform and drama for years, I would say that most videos (outside of Chris Hansen’s) on this topic are regurgitations of info. Your video is different. I learned more about this situation and had no clue Greg ever was willing to hand over the rights of his child to Kai (at the time, Lainey) in order to run off with Billie. This videos was greatly informative and enlightening. I’m really glad you made this. Your perspective as an adult woman who likely has known of Onision for years, and who has a mature understanding of what fucked up behavior truly is has certainly opened my eyes more to the appalling doings of BOTH Greg and Kai. Being that I’m 23 and felt I already had a good understanding of all of this.. I can’t imagine how insightful this video could be to teenagers who may not realize the true gravity of this 10 year + ordeal. Definitely, subscribing.
I think making assumptions of what his identity would be is a little ridiculous. No matter how much we dislike Kai and his actions there is no excuse to invalidate his very identity, you just come off as an asshole especially when there’s already more than enough to attack him for. There’s no need to make things up like that.
There is a part of me that still remembers being a 12 year old onision devotee and thinking I was so in love with him and it sickens me to my stomach to think that's exactly what he wanted, a cult following of obsessive teens and idk it just makes me really sad
Already laughing at the title 😂
Kai be cry’n m
When isn’t Kai crying?
why would you be laughing? kai’s crying now, thanks 😒
Me too 😂😂
😂😂😂
If Onision can’t pick up a 130lb girl I think he needs to accept he’s weak, not that his partners bodies are too much
I'm a 200 lb girl and I can lift up by 160 ish lb roommate and carry him like... 130 lbs??
WHAT! With his STRROOONGGGG VEGETARIAAAAANNNNN BOOOOOOODDDDYYY!!??
Yooo I can squat more than 130lb and I'm not even a dude he's just not strong
I'm 14 (so Greg's ideal age) and I can carry a 160lb girl, I'm 140lb
My husband can toss me like a ball of paper, on the bed it's fun, I'm 140 on my best day. Unfortunately I've lost weight due to sick. Gotta eat that bread! Greg is a weak animal, but it seemed to work. Sigh...
Onision: I like petite Asian girls
Every Asian Girl ever: *locks door and dials 911*
JojoEatsFlan nah leave that door open I will fucking German suplex him the moment he opens the front door
*_me, trying to impersonate a pissed off asian mother after their child came home with a B+_*
He has what we Asians call Yellow Fever, but in his case it's more of a Yellow Plague.
every asian girl: sells their soul to grow a foot so they aren’t petite
T Train hahah does it mean you prefer asian girl/boys over other nationalities?
I love how she just casually keeps calling him “Grog” lol.
I keep hearing grees
reminds me of the tar crap orcs drink in lord of the rings lmao
It's because he's not human
McSnezzly THE FUCKING URUKS 😂😂😂😂😂
I want to catalogue all the ways people make fun of Onision. I personally have a good variety use.
funfact before shiloh dated shreg in 2009 she was an emo popstar legend and now once again in 2020 she is still an emo popstar legend
neal b
operator
Operator
Don’t call me I’ll call you later!!
I wouldn’t want to be anyone but me!
I loved her so much! I’m so happy her career is finally coming back!
@Noob the Cat what "battle song" is this?
Also I am so supportive of Shiloh because she has been through a lot of shit and is still making a better life than Gruggles.
she looks so healthy and beautiful,
she went through so, so much shit from greg (she went septic because of him) & i know she lost a baby (not with greg), her life's been so hard. it warms my cold little soul to see that she's doing better. shiloh deserves happiness.
That really is a fun fact!
I’m so incredible proud of her!
“Gregnant” is such a bad joke and simultaneously the funniest thing I ever heard
i love this for both of us
Alizee 😂
I used to think of Greg Universe... that's been ruined now
You know Beaker from the Muppets... That's the face I pulled at "gregnant"
I'm your 666th 👽👌🏽💙💙
Kai's dad said "come back in 10 years" meanwhile shiloh's dad was LITERALLY about to kill him
Well SHiloh's Dad knew he wouldn't be in prision long since he was dying Kai's Dad however...
So in a way both girls have their part of responsibility in this whole story, i get if they were on their own, but their parents tried to help and show them Greg is a pieces of shit but they decided to fuck up and go with him.
You're seriously blaming two teenage girls for being groomed and not listening to their parents? I sincerely hope that you're just very young and don't understand the nuance of the situation.
@@cyborgrat It's so much easier to judge from the outside of the situation, but teenagers really can't take the blame for being groomed. They put Greg on a pedastal because they were young, inexperienced and saw him as a celebrity figure. Greg however is a full grown man and could have sought a mature lady his age, but he didn't want that because he can't control/manipulate her (Adrienne for example). I don't support Kai anymore because he has gone on to do disgusting things by choice, but Greg definitely shaped him, and Shiloh but she has got away and recovered so well to become her own woman.
Mathias Smith I think Kai’s dad knew if he said to come back in 10 years greg wouldn’t. Obviously Greg would have moved on and left Kai. Since he was saying he loved Kai so much the dad was testing that and Greg just manipulated Kai to get out of that question of his love.
“What is 25-10? Oh yeah gross and illegal” damn that was cold queen
Ah I read this comment as she said it and now I'm questioning everything
jamada d you’re seriously trying to argue that 12 year olds are sexually mature just because they have sexual interests? They’re not fully grown or developed at that age by any means, mentally or physically
jamada d
Bitch im a kid at a young age and i dont do any of those shit, like drinking or doing drugs or in a group sex, some twelve year olds are trying to get their grades up not drinking or doing drugs, or having sex. What in the bloody hell dude?
and then i realized you said some, im sorry
Haley Mitchell ...but true!
jamada d
I really hope you aren’t an adult. Yikes.
You shouldn’t date people who are much older than you when you’re under 18 because there’s just so much you don’t know yet, like not microwaving eggs and other adulting things. Yes, girls have periods and breasts and can become pregnant at roughly 13 on average, but your brain isn’t fully developed, your body is still growing most of the time and you don’t have the emotional skills or life experience to be able to cope with situations in a healthy way because you are still a child. Lots of people take advantage of that. At 12 I was horny but not ready for actually having a relationship, and hey, that’s what masturbation is for! It took me till 15-16 to sort out my sexuality!!! And I was a “mature kid” according to the people around me. It’s not as weird if they’re roughly the same age as you because they’re also muddling through the same development as you, and therefore there isn’t that power imbalance. And if you’re going to throw biology at me then how about this: men don’t stop growing until roughly 21, brains aren’t fully developed until 17, women’s veins continue to grow bigger into their early 20s. If they’re mature, why are they still developing?! Being pregnant at early ages (12-15) is really dangerous for the mother because they aren’t fully developed. And historically, people didn’t get their periods until about 15-17 years old because living conditions were worse and it slowed down sexual development until they’d finished growing. Consent laws exist for a good reason, and are founded in science and logic, not just the whole biblical chastity thing. Please don’t date 12yos and claim them to be “sexually mature”. They’re not. Teenage years are for making dumb decisions you look back and cringe at, whilst you felt totally justified at the time. Unfortunately that also makes them vulnerable, because they believe they aren’t and everyone’s overreacting. Maturity comes from experience, and emotional maturity is just as important as physical maturity in relationships. I remember being 13 and thinking “I’m emotionally mature wtf?!” But now I look back I’m like no. No you weren’t. You still aren’t, 4 years later.
TLDR: physical maturity ≠ emotional maturity, 12-17 year olds are not always sexually mature, this is illegal for a reason, don’t microwave eggs.
Just stay safe and take care of yourself and others, and don’t date teens (or the adults if you are said teen) with an age gap.
This whole onision thing feels like a fever dream
hoaone HOLY SHIT I HAD NO IDEA THOSE WERE CALLED FEVER DREAMS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
A scarlet fever dream
i wish it was
Sadly, it is reality.
Don't fall asleep with RUclips videos on like I did, or it WILL become a fever dream
I feel like he fetishizes Kai’s transness potentially, he might be into guys or fetishizes trans boys or androgynous girls. Though de-feminization makes sense as well
He is into dysphoric trans guys and is anti transition... (he referred to post top surgery trans men as science experiments...) so yeah its pretty gross when he tries to be fake woke
I don’t want to diminish this persons trans-ness as a byproduct of Onion’s abuse but I couldnt help but think of the expose on R Kelly. It’s similar to Onion’s behavior (using entertainment platform to groom/abuse underage girls) and one of his victims ended up transitioning into male bc of his fetishizing of it and his control of their identity.
De-feminization is a possiblt theoey based on shaving shilohs head while having sex with her
I remember seeing a clip once where he was bragging about how Lainey was really feminine and straight when they met and he was the one that introduced her to the idea of dating women. I'm not necessarily going to say that him projecting his fetishes onto her actually caused these changes in her identity expression, but I do think that HE takes credit for the changes, and he takes pride in that level of control.
artloser honestly everyone is saying Kai is trans for attention because he hasn’t transitioned but if I’m being totally honest I think a bigger possibility is that Greg could be holding him back from transitioning based on the things he’s said about it in the past... My comment makes it sound like I think Kai is an okay person and he’s not by any means but I also don’t think it’s good to jump to any conclusions about his transition either. Even though Kai is a groomer and predator too I want to give him the benefit of the doubt in that respect or at least believe there’s some kind of underlying cause instead of just saying it’s for attention agh I hope I’m making any amount of sense because I know what I want to say it’s just hard for me to articulate
"Level 500 doormat"
If that isn't the most truthful thing about the onions, idk what is
Amber Garris
Being lv 500 is still impressive. Pathetic BUT impressive
I think it's worse, they're the dirt under the doormat
Hahhahhahha
*trans-trender
Level 5 shaggy rug
Level 500 doormat
That’s just how *R U G* works
Their daughter could potentially become this pawn for them to bring in young vulnerable girls. She could become another Kai, thats horrifying.
I was thinking this if he doesn't prey on his daughter it will be her friends
my biggest fear which i feel no one is bringing up is the danger the daughter is in like seriously would greg in the future molest her? i hate to even think that but every time we think this rotten pimple has hit a new low he gets lower and lower
Greg will be molesting her soon
considering she shares a name with a character greg's self-insert has sex with, he has incest fantasies, he's into underage girls, and kai will let him do anything he wants.... it's only a matter of time. It's chilling.
I've been hearing/seeing a lot of people saying that their kids are currently in custody of Kai's grandparents or one of their grandparents? I could be wrong but I hope it's true. I grew up in a fucked up household and it effects children for their entire life.
Shiloh explaining her sexual experience with Onision makes me wanna throw up. That poor girl💔
I wonder if Shiloh was abused by her parents or Greg played with her dreams of stardom in order to groom her in to thinking he was in love with her then when his behavior drive her crazy Greg dumped her.
Same here. Poor Shiloh! She was so horrifically abused
Its honestly so inspiring that she is doing so well now! Your trauma doesnt define you. Your trauma doesnt have to hold you back. You can still be a successful, happy and healthy human. Mind over matter!
Onision not putting his children on social media is deadass the best thing he has done for them.
Probably just doesn’t want to split the attention. I’m surprised he even lets Lainey go online.
he doesn't want what he does to other people's children done to his
The whole “they can’t consent” is such bullshit because you consent for your child until they’re 18😂 he just wants to hide them. But im glad they aren’t, but sad because we can’t help😐
Because he is trying to pit this "bachelor young kid" vibe. Dads aren't cool to young high school and middle school aged girls
I think it has pros and cons, they can’t ask for help. Plus they’ll all find out one day, the internet is forever.
Defeminization is to infantilize the women so that they feel insecure and dependent on the narcissist. It is also used to make them appear under-matured.
Also she discussed with others how she wanted to lose weight for him. He loves underweight women, they look younger and underdeveloped.
I wonder what's going to happen to Kai when they... well, get too old for Onision. Even right now, he seems to only be using them as a nanny for their kids and to reel in new, impressionable teenage fuck buddies.
Man, what a dysfunctional fucking family.
I feel like this is actually so accurate:’(
@@DrCatdeJong I don't think the underweight thing is to make them look younger/underdeveloped. I think is moreso like how there are "chubby chasers" who prefer women who are above the average weight except in the opposite direction (women who are under the average weight). Both are unhealthy, obviously, but kinks are pretty happy to disregard health concerns.
@@HeyImLucious it could be a fetish, but i think in his case it has a bit of a darker thing behind it. According to Shiloh he was watching hentai with very underdeveloped characters in it getting raped. She herself had to loose weight too. Also constantly looking up age of consent laws per state to be intimate with his underage girlfriends. And let's not forget what ge described in one of his books where he was very young himself when he had his first encounter with a 15 year old girl, this could explain why he only gets gratification from girls that are compairable to that experience. I'm not saying i'm sure he is a pedophile, but there are a hell of a lot of red flags indicating that he might be. And let's not forget his partner in crime, without Kai he would've never gotten Billy and Sarah to sleep with him.
Nobody wants to say it so I'll say it, it's not just about when his daughter has friends over. We have to acknowledge that fathers DO also abuse their daughters themselves.
@@itsMe_TheHerpes what??
Kimberley Brown idk what they’re talking about but I’m pretty sure she’s quoting one of onisions tweets??
@@itsMe_TheHerpes trolling is for people with too much time on their hands👋
@@ktvia ive reported them
Kimberley Brown you do realise they were quoting greg
I almost puked when he was trying to like dominate her while shaving her head wtaf
🤢🤢🤢
Its actually disgusting considering all the things with Shiloh 🤢 it's fucking horrendous
I just got the joker joke
them*
@dyedtrying you're right, we don't
god chris hansen's face, that man has seen so much but he's still disgusted by greg, just goes to show how awful he is
Great point
shows you how those predators were nothing compared to greg. and that says a LOT
To be fair, Chris is incredibly empathetic. I agree with what you are all saying, tho.
Chris won't let go now until Onion man is behind bars and his ass turns into an American pie for some of the inmates.
Dylan Fowler do you just so happen to like pie??
"whats going to happen when their daughter comes to the age that she wants to have her friends over?"
i felt physically sick at that line. not just that we need to worry about when his own daughter comes to the age he becomes attracted to, but we need to worry about children that are entirely uninvolved with him that will still be in danger. its disgusting.
Tazz I totally agree with you. He’s the type of creepy asshole that would def try to fck one of his daughters friends and then possibly try to marry them. Just like he did
When he met Taylor. Pluck the girl up when she’s young, so he can mold her into whatever he wants. He’s a sick, sick individual.
Tazz lets hope the daughter doesn’t have permanent brain damage
Well, she fell off a window due to his lack of attention so its probable that he doesn't even notice
@@lucassalgado7092 She'll only be safe if she's taken away by Child Support because of medical negligence and child negligence
So, I'm going to possibly confess to a crime called Vigilante justice. I'm a sixteen year old girl, and I've been reading up on Onision lately, and finding out how to contact him so that I can fly to him, armed with a basic kitchen knife, Pepper Spray, and a .38 Cal. (If it gets serious.) However, I need assistance, such as how I can reach him, and fully convince him. Any ideas?
*what's going to happen when their teenage daughter wants to have her female friends over for sleepovers* oh my god I didn't even consider that. That is actually terrifying
Hope they sleep over at their friends house
i just hope that their children are taken away from them long before that point
Blossom Decay he got investigated by the FBI but still has custody?
@@Couscouscouscous I think he and Kai are currently getting investigated. These things take a long time cus they had to take in all the information (Chris is still interviewing people) and check thier validity (which I think would be easy to do).
I hope thier kids don't inherit thier parent's behavior and ideals.
14:14 "he was having sex with me"
Notice her wording.... it speaks volumes... it should say "we were having sex"... it shows how he used her body for his needs and didnt care for her needs at all....
Shiloh has all my respect , she is so beautiful and modest☆
its me silva I love Shiloh so much. She is so strong.
@@silencio1234 she really went through hell and back...
And a phenomenal singer. She has a song out. ❤ I'm so proud of her
Her wording was random, but I have no doubt what you said he did to her may be true. People word things different ways randomly in very many situations.
That last word is infantalising and misogonystic :(
"Gregnant"
Thanks I hate it
"grease and greaser duo" that's offensive to greasers alizee :/
spacetypo Danny Zucko is crying
Being a greaser myself... it was
I have to agree. I am a degenerate leather jacket wearing young adult with slicked back black hair. I am not one of these grease people.
@Noob the Cat oh hi, you! I recognize you from Negz Reaction videos. Glad to see I'm not the only one that binges the Groomision dramas.
Dallas Winston did not die to be compared to Greg
“How much power does this man think he has?” Idk man...considering you wanted to date a 15 year old....I’d say about “reasonable dad” levels of power..
That's alot of power for damn sure
Stronger than the friendship power
I'm stealing this comment, but Dad Power is also multiplied exponentially if they have a "2nd Amendment" modifier bonus. "Friendship" dont mean shit to a .357 slug in the gut.
Left-2-Write ok not gonna lie that got me lol
the fact you said Kai got pregnant with grog’s first child instead of grog’s first sprog is honestly offensive
abigail gorry honestly yes
Burnt Orange mate it was a fucking joke, grow up
@@abigailxmary Bruh chill
@@abigailxmary your energy is disgusting
Jack Tucker funny how nearly 300 people understood that as a sarcastic joke, shame you just don’t seem to get it. Get a grip
You can see how emotional Hansen gets when he's listening to the interviewed women.
Yeah and that guy has seen some shit. The fact that even he is bothered by all of this says a lot.
@@jamiem9843 yeah it definitely says a lot
Sometimes I’m crying when I’m listening to these poor people talking about how onion man was abusing them and Chris is crying too.
@@alexanderpumpkin3423 me too. It's hard to listen to. But people need to know and I'm glad everyone is sharing their stories.
N-not really?
when you mentioned the "de-feminization" thing it strongly reminded me of R Kelly which I think is very telling, given his abuse of women and his sex cult. One of his victims was forced to keep her hair short and dress in baggy clothing because he wanted her to look like a boy.
Jonah James Jameson Jones that was so fucked up! And there was no reason for it!
I get hardcore R Kelly vibes from him
Or a young underdeveloped teenage girl I- 0 , o
You know an insecure, easily persuaded, weak, innocent child? The baggy clothing hiding their curves? Making them look like an angsty teenager? Oop
A complete side note but that particular girl is back with her mother and away from R Kelley
People call him the R Kelly of RUclips.
I'm legit worried for their children.
Not just their daughter's *friends* , I wouldn't neccessarily put incest beneath onion. Especially considering that he's gotten crazier with time...
Moifi kea i heard onion boy wouldn’t speak to his daughter until she was old enough to talk back because he thought it was pointless to interact with someone who couldn’t speak
Wild Child lol he's the kinda guy that would subject their kid to brutal snuff as soon as they can process it because 'there's no point shielding them from the real world'
@@maxdoesnothing1834 poor children. and to think they will look up to him
Some youtuber or twitter account has recorded one of onions livestreams where he said that TeCNhicAlly and MorRally incest isn't bad if both parties 'consent' 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 someone please take his children away
Vic fr someone needs to put the kids in WP whilst all this is going on
adam's interview literally broke my heart. he seems so genuinely sad and hurt by being used by kai and as a trans man myself, i can't even imagine how manipulative kai was to convince adam to send a topless pic. i have changed in front of one (1) person ever and broke down crying later that night. its so dysphoric and personal and to know that kai, supposedly a trans man himself, manipulated adam into sending topless pics despite adam being so uncomfortable and kai supposedly having top dysphoria himself is so foul and disgusting.
I'm a trans man as well and I can say that I had a similar reaction to Adam's interview. I also noticed that Kai takes on traits of his victims as he discards them. It made me squirm to hear that Kai (who supposedly has "really bad" chest dysphoria) would do that to another trans male without batting an eye.
I know the feeling. I was in a similar situation and afterwards I felt disgusting amd very dysphoric.
It took me so long to be able to change in front of my best friend, and he’s trans also.
But we’re also fwb so we’ve gotten used to it now. But the fact that I’m able to go topless around someone and still feel like a whole ass man is honestly wonderful.
I hope one day you can kick dysphoria’s ass. I hope we both can.
Even if it takes top surgery to become completely comfortable, one day it will happen
Yes, that was heartbreaking. What a douche move. i would never play games with someone about their body at all, let alone someone with dysphoria. If Kai is trans, how does he not get this in others but permits/accepts it in himself?
Agreed, I wish the severity of the situation with Adam was brought to light more, but I don’t want him to feel pushed into anything. The overall situation is repulsive and I hope Adam is doing better
That “hair cut” clip made me cringe. He was so rough. With Kai. And u could tell he was used to being that rough. On cam he doesn’t even think twice. So when cameras are not on I wonder what it’s like....
I think he was deliberately that rough on camera so that everyone would know he has that power over his spouse.
In part I agree. But things u are used to doing and are never corrected on, make u believe there’s nothing wrong with doing it. More and more time passes it’s second nature to u... I think he’s so used to it. I did catch the “not in this context” to me that is insinuating it’s ok to be touch I. The bed room. Everything about these ppl make me sick
Kai said "I accept it" and Grog said "yes you do"
Like he was happy that his little submissive Stockholm Syndrome level 500 spineless partner had learnt how to give in
Ugh i physically retracted into myself it was so cringy
Ishani Sasdev I love being pulled around and played with rough like that but without consent absolutely not. He was way too rough with Kai and it was clear that Kai was uncomfortable. Now Kai is a predator too.
(Edit: 3:32 am- I have to say I’m into kink & BDSM as a legal adult in my state, with consent and this is clearly not consensual. Kai looks very uncomfortable, beyond being a brat/little something of that nature. Even if Kai WAS a victim they are a PREDATOR now. And Grog and Kai (LaineyBot) need to be stopped.)
I have to interject that I've been in some BDSM relationships, and there are times that we were a little rough with each other, so being handsy isn't always bad. I'm not defending the bastard, I promise, but in BDSM there are roles like Brat and Brat Tamer. The Brat basically acts like they are annoyed by the Brat Tamer being rough. But I want to reiterate that guidelines and boundaries always need to be clearly established beforehand. Which I doubt that Greg has done.
It’s heartbreaking to know how Greg abused him from such a young age. But my sympathy ends with child grooming and standing by while others are abused. That’s unforgivable
Literally my thoughts exactly.
Also, BOWIE!!!!!!
Goth Empress hell yeah!
Gypsy Danger it?
@@salemmaxwell570 yes, it. Pedophiles arent human
Of course he knows where the UK is, he does so much research on everywhere’s age of consent laws
💀
IM WHEEZING
bjorksbackyard I think I remember him saying he wanted to move to a different country (mostly somewhere in the UK) based off of age of consent. It was quite a few years ago though. Kai was still Lainey and had only just gotten into the picture I think
"I like petite Asian girls"
What makes you think that petite Asian girls would ever like *you?*
As as Asian, I would like to plunge a pike into Grog so he can bleed out and die far away from me.
@@crowdemon_archives
Asian girls would call their cousins to beat up Greg
@@KanishQQuotes ... that too. lol
We don't
anime
If I can remember correctly, in the recent documentary about him, R Kelly also makes his victims dress in baggy clothes and doesn't allow makeup hmmmm
i remember at the beginning of all of this Shiloh identified with young Aaliyah 😞
Very similar
What the heck? There’s gotta be some kind of psychology article about that...weird.
@@goliathtigerfishes You might find some if you look up "defeminization in abuse"
It defeminizes the victim, and also makes them look younger. So I meaaaan
In Shiloh’s interview, there were so many absolutely horrific things that were discussed. All of the interviews were rough, but the thing in shilohs that really, really got me was how she’d say ‘he was having sex with me’, ‘we were having sex’. Just the way she words it sometimes and the tone of her voice really just twists my gut up in knots
That was really sad and I'm glad she's comfortable enough to talk about it. The other thing I found distrubing here was when Greg was pulling Kai's head around when using the clippers, he was clearly showing off for the camera but the way he said 'you like it' and Kai said 'not in this context' was a red flag. It means to me that he is treating Kai sexually the exact same way he treated Shiloh but Kai is allowing it because once again, superfan.
TKPS i don’t doubt that he does, and it really, really concerns me. I think he learned from Shiloh and Adrienne that piling that much of his abuse on at once was too much. I think he’s toned it down to do it subtly at first, to keep his partners there so he can unleash all he wants to without them abandoning ship. It’s truly terrifying to think about.
Noob the Cat that’s the kind of sick fuck he is. He’ll mock his victims publicly, and then claim it’s comedy. I agree that Shiloh’s interview was the most harrowing, and personally I don’t think there’s a word for how utterly gut wrenching and devastating it was. If you go back through the other interviews, or even just the master timeline, there are posts and videos onion has made during those relationships and communications where it is now a very obvious jibe. It’s like having a conversation where the abuser says something that doesn’t seem anything other than ordinary to us, but it’s designed to covertly prod and mock the victim. It flies under our radar until after the victims come out with timeframes and harrowing accounts, like he gets off on publicly humiliating and abusing these poor young women. It really makes you wonder how many of his posts are subtle digs at Kai that no one but him picks up on. Absolutely disgusting.
And not to mention what Kai does himself. In some ways, he’s almost worse than onision because Kai doesn’t really bother hiding it. He’s picked up on onions tactics, but hasn’t learnt his subtlety
Your comment on how Greg's formed his online persona to attract teen girls is spot on. I used to be a fan of his when I was in my early teens (in the early 2010s, around when he got together with Kai) because of the way he talked about body image, self esteem, depression, etc. The content he made at that time pandered to insecure teenage girls who just wanted to be validated, and that was me back then. I'm sure that was the majority of his fanbase, because that's who his videos were made for. It's horrifying.
I have no clue what content he makes now (because fuck if I'm going to watch any of it), but the thought that there are still likely young, impressionable, insecure girls watching him scares the shit out of me.
that’s exactly why i started watching him too back then. he was also so opinionated about the serious topics he was talking about that a young girl wouldn’t have any knowledge on. i was so young and i wanted to learn about that stuff and he was charismatic in that way.
As an insecure teen girl with anxiety and depression I smell the bull shit he’s trying to spoon feed me from a mile away, and I’m sure most girls are. The only people watching him now are his past fans (who are honestly too far gone at this point)
I just randomly came across him when I was what? 9? 10? Still getting over my anorexia from the plethora of body image problems that man instilled within me and hundreds if not thousands of other girls... Like the number of former Onision fangirls who grew up to have eating disorders is honestly terrifying..
Same here, I had an eating disorder back then, 2013-2016, and those videos actually helped me, but man, I feel embarrassed that I couldn't see how wrong it all was
@@renisstillren9493 Holy shit, you too? I thought I was just odd for having even more self esteem issues after watching him when I was younger. Always poking at my stomach, always thinking I wasn't beautiful for not being thin. I didn't watch him for long but I'm sure if I had I would've developed an eating disorder
Grug shaving Laney's hair was very uncomfortable and it's exactly as Shiloh described
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hey can you explain something. shilohs abuse came way before onision and kai doing that shit right?
lol innih yes :) x
ok thankyou! i didnt know about any of this but what happened to shiloh and all those young women is disgusting.
there’s a video of him frickin shaving her head too wth omg
Nikki Chuckles omg that made me so mad! I wanted to punch Greg for the whole “accept me as I am” bullshit
Omg I just realized Chris Hansen was crying during what Shiloh told him
DrKatBun it’s rare to see such an empathetic reporter. He’s a very likeable guy, I hope he succeeds
@@watchmedo635 Chris Hansen has been doing this FOR Years. he started on Dateline NBC. Chris might be the last of a good lot of reporters. Caring, Empathetic, and just wants the truth. there aren't many of them left.
@Grant McDaniel NOT TRUE. Greg is doing damage to young, vulnerable, UNDERAGE girls and he needs to be stopped. Is it any less important that Gerg is harming less victims? NO. We should have a zero tolerance policy on this and what Chris Hansen is doing is good and most likely more than you or most people are doing to get perpetrators off the internet and the street.
Time stamp?
@@gothbattyy look into his eyes at 14:06
I want Hanson to interview Kai’s dad SO BADLY OMG.
Kai's crying from all the onions
“Mini Grease 2: Electric Boogaloo, if you will”
I AM SENT
"as if greg even knows what the united kingdom is"
IM CRYING
I bet he would try to spell it like... youneited cingdumb
Me being a 14 year old girl
“Chuckles, I’m in danger”
Does RUclips Kids not exist anymore?
@Yung Colgate relax , why dont you turn on the radio
@@anselmadelia9747 😎😎😎
Dont stop trying to be funny cause of a comment please! If comedia is you love go for it! No one is born with knowledge. No baby donatelo born with a pencil in its hands
Yung Colgate that was .... unnecessarily rude hahaha
Shiloh has glowed up so much honestly, I'm so glad she's doing better now
Yes (but the glowing nose is weird looking)
LindsAy with Attitude yea never been a huge fan of nose highlight.
@@sweetpjeb23 I've just never seen it soooo bright. Lol its like rudolph.. not trying to be mean because i think shes amazing
LindsAy with Attitude didn’t really notice that during the interview lol, I just saw the nose ring
@@beyondviolet its all i could see lol
"who reacts like that to a blueberry?" Someone with an eating disorder maybe?
Or someone who just hates the texture of blueberries lol
The whole thing is disgusting. It's an exercise in derogation, "that's an adult", "who reacts like that to a blueberry?", etc. It looks a lot like a passive agressive form of abuse. I could be wrong but it feels wrong.
Kool Guy Kai?
more like "Kiddler Diddler Kai"
Amirite?
johnnyscifi yes
johnnyscifi KIDDLER DIDDLER LMAO
Goddamnit, Johnnyscifi 😂☮️🤘🏻
Hahahahaha
STOP LMFAOOO
i find it very fascinating that a person who calls himself smart and a facts machine, doesn't even know how to properly file taxes. 🤦🏻♂️
Taxes suck
Yes but it not 'facts machine' but rather "fax machine'....
Kai has a personality, it involves crying.
Can't pick up 135 lbs?
Confirmation enough he's a child.
It's that incredible vegetarian body of his
fucking weak for someone claiming to be an alpha male lol
So much for that Air Force stint he was bragging about, boot camp must not have helped
Right?! I'm actually fat as fuck and my bf can still pick me up.
He's right though; I am also 5ft and 135lbs is definitely well into the overweight category for that height even if you have muscle like myself.
the shiloh video broke my heart...like we knew he was bad but to that extent - electric chair, sir
I mean, yeah, he abused to her to the point that she literally suffered seizures; he's a remorseless piece of shit.
@@irrittt only real retribution that can be attained is if Onision is sent to prison and fucked 16 times a day, with the gang members making new holes to fuck with shanks tbh lol
I couldn’t watch it all. 😭
@Bersa Brie That concept is so glorious that I wish Washington would bring back the electric chair just for this. Maybe they could do a live broadcast of it; that bastard is a stain on my state's history.
Kai: “am I..... gregnant?”
Beth UwU pergananant?
Gregante?
Girlfriend ain't had period since she got pregat
it's 1am and I'm a little sleep deprived but Gregnant in this context is the funniest thing I've heard in weeks
@Julie Kavanagh unrelated but I fuckin' love your icon. 100% Here For Bisexual Aliens. catch me standing in a field yelling @ them to abduct me off this hell orb
@Julie Kavanagh I mean you're not wrong there. man I wish bioware didn't suck so bad these days. like sure it's theoretically possible they'll turn anthem around but I honestly can't see that happening at this point
Watching him shave her head was honestly so uncomfortable
If you've ever seen the videos of Onision talking about his 3year stint with the Air Force, he's talked about how "degrading" it was for him to have to shave his head to keep it in regulations. (note: air Force has some of the most relaxed hair standards and shaving near to bald is not a requirement) when I later heard about he shaved Shiloh's head during sex and abused her, I remembered his comments and it's just so sick because he obviously views shaving as a degrading but "power" move.
@@DeadLkeMe oh shit
"How much power does he think he has?"
.... Her FATHER? lmao
Well, my dad has an assault rifle & that sure is alot of power, onion.
Clarifying: my dad would never hurt anyone, and I don't care for guns. But if a 24 year old man wanted to date me at 15......
Heather J honestly if your dad were to shoot onion nobody would be complaining anyways 😂
Like, Same. lol. And so does my brother. And all of my dads friends.
As a father of a 15 year old.... More control than Gregory, which is why he hated it.
Personally, I think Gruggle would be better suited for a double tap with .45 auto hollow points to the chest.
“Won’t anybody think of the children!?”
Seriously though, somebody think of those kids. Get them out of there. This situation has blown the hell up recently and it’s really going to effect them.
It needs to happen before the daughter turns 15. Cuz who's to say being related wont stop Greg from making her a victim too
Amelia Paine People have tried. Every time the cops or CPS shows up, there’s nothing the children can be taken for.
This just in:Kai is crying right now.
Everybody likes that 👍
Yeah, because she's going to prison soon.
I think some women get their confidence and sense of power from being feminine and pretty. For someone who values their feminine appearance, taking it away would probably reduce their confidence and make them easier to control. They'll perceive themselves as less attractive which makes them more vulnerable.
In regards of the defeminisation, I'd argue: The objective of it, is to remove any sex appeal from the victim, to give Greg more power. To explain how I believe an abuser would utilise this, I'll try to explain through an example situation. Let's say you have a hypothetical average woman, with long hair, nice nails, attractive makeup, walking down the street. Random people might have a glance and think: "She's attractive".
Now, let's try this example again, except this time, the woman has no hair, ripped nails, makeup that makes them look like a freaking zombie. Not many people will glance at that and think: "that's attractive". I think that's the purpose of the defeminisation from Greg. It's so he can say: "only I will EVER find you attractive. No one will find you attractive if you look like that". Which leads to the victim having a low self esteem and become dependant on Greg. In a kind of: "only Greg will ever love me, so there is no point in me leaving".
Sorry for the essay. I just find it truly disgusting that someone would utilize these techniques to such devastating effect.
I agree with you I think that's his reason for doing so. Esp after the things Shiloh said.
as an aside, I think a degree of it is also to infantilize them, to make them look more childlike
this comment made me look at their relationship in a different perspective and i can definitely see that happening
i'm sorry but i've just been starring at keanu reeves this whole time
Me too 😂
I have the same poster haha
Its our emotional support keanu
Far more pleasant than thinking about Greg.
I think it speaks volumes that shiloh kept saying that greg was having sex with her instead of saying that they were having sex with each other
I think Kai was already a little off before they met onision. Every time I hear him speak or do anything really, Kai just reminds me of a little child. They say trauma kind of freezes your emotional or mental development sometimes and for her to fit so perfectly into onisions mold, who knows what they experienced in their past.
I agree. To be with a man like greg to begin with I can only imagine the lack of confidence and self respect it would take. Knowing she was a teenager too explains falling in love too easily and becoming overtly attached to such a, for lack of a better expression, dominant masculine figure. Her disobedience to her parents also hints at her mental state at the time. Most healthy teenagers wouldn't run off with someone almost a decade their senior anyway.
@@ghoulatypical3173 - And get married behind their parents back. Hmmm.
uhh it's fine to hold kai accountable for his actions as an adult, but it REALLY screams victim blaming mentality to go "oh this teenager who got exploited and manipulated by a grown man mustve had something wrong with them, otherwise it wouldn't have worked". have some common sense
Kai is an inverted narcissist.
@@mica8701 That’s like the opposite of victims blaming…wondering if someone’s past trauma causes them to stay with an abusive partner is like not blaming the victim at all. It’s trying to sympathize and figure out what type of help would make said victim leave the abuse. Saying she probably didn’t have a healthy teenage hood because of her actions doesn’t mean they are saying its the persons fault. Most healthy teenagers dont run away to leave with someone nearly a decade older and especially one who has a history of abuse. Groomers and assaulters literally look for victims who ARE from troubled backgrounds for that very reason. So no, that’s not victim blaming and i really don’t think you know what the word actually means
Something that no one talks about: If Greg is Notoriously attracted to 17 year old girls, and that's only because it's legal in some states, than he's PROBABLY also sexually attracted to 15, 14, 13 year olds... I don't see why he wouldn't. The only thing stopping him is the law. And that's Disgusting
Not on his side what so ever but at 17 girls are basically fully matured,very different from a 13,14,15 year old
@@sweepingshadows844 I see your point, but every girl looks developed at a different age. for example me at 17 I still looked 14 or 13. The other day I was alone at the beach and some grown man started talking to me. He asked how old I am, I said 24 he said "wow u look much younger. I thought u were like 16 or even 15. You just don't look very developed, some girls at 15 even 14 already have big tits and ass" long story short I just stared at him in disgust and he walked away...
@@sweepingshadows844 Long story short I don't subscribe to the naive thought that Greg would only go for a 17 yr old cuz he surely started talking to them when they were 16. Or even 15. Don't tell me his attraction magically started when they turned 17 cuz otherwise why would he be talking to them in the 1st place
Irit Reddy yeha but when I was 14 I was always mistaken for 18 and over
So I just think it’s a bit ignorant to generalize that
But totally understand what your saying
@@irrittt he did start talking to kai when they were 15.
I absolutely love Chris Hanson, and seeing him so upset was heartbreaking. It’s the first time I’ve really seen him like that. I want to hug him
Anyone else confused on how Greg likes pulling hair but wants all his victims’ heads shaven?
Both are expressions involving force and control..
It’s about being a dick. Being controlling.
Maybe he pulls it so they will resent having hair and see the bald head as an escape from pain...
Ohhh twisted
@WarriorCrimson damn
Aw man Chris Hansen's tear eyes when he is listening to Shiloh. I didn't notice that the first time I saw the interview.
“How much power does he think he has?”
Now this line hit like a train. Onion boy said this in such a way that made him sound like he thought he had more “power” then her dad. If I was her dad and I heard him say such things, his ass would be thoroughly kicked.
As someone who was once in Kai's position of being manipulated at a young age, I understand him. I do not sympathize him, as he has become the monster that controls him.
Unfortunately that stuff like this is a cycle. The abused become the abuser for the next victim.
Unless you’re Lynn Cheng who’s strong I’m glad this never happened to me stay strong boi
I think another point of defeminisation is like a reduction of your identity and self expression as well as confidence. Let me preface this by saying i know every person is different and not all of us experience things the same but as a feminist and psychology student this is my interpretation. (sorry for the long comment)
I'm not a very feminine woman (for instance, I shop in the men's section and i don't shave) but it's still important for me to feel like a woman. It's validating, dignifying and just humanising for a woman to feel like a woman (there's a reason gender dysphoria/euphoria often exists in trans people- it's just more noticeable when something's out of order)- defeminization for this reason is a frequent human rights issue with female prisoners, females in refugee camps, etc. Also we know that he forces these styles onto them- denying them their own self-expression and dismissing their identity (very common in abuse). It may also lead to a questioning of their own identity or a potential loss of identity - creating an unstable person easier to control.
It's also a very good way to make someone feel insecure. (I know growing up I regularly felt insecure and unattractive to guys because I didn't resemble the women and girls around me or in media- in aesthetic and personality.) An insecure person is easier to control and manipulate. And then there's the making them "unattractive" of it all. This is not how they feel pretty, so he's making them feel ugly. They feel ugly thus they feel like they are not good enough for him. Thus, causing them to seek his approval even more- making his manipulative expressions of """"love"""" more effective as well as causing them to bend more to his will.
I want to mention that this isn't exclusive to women (especially the need to feel validated in our gender). All of the above can be done to men in the opposite way as well. I've definetely heard of abuse cases where men were emasculated and/or forced to perform more feminine.
Edit: the post ends here but if you're curious for more of the psychology behind it ;
notice; women will often praise how men they love make them "feel like a woman" -> just pointing out where it is in normal everyday situations in case you haven't noticed this particular nook of human behavior // also this is kind of irrelevant but it's also something commercialism very much thrives on: "you're not feminine if you don't shave/don't have long hair/don't do make up/etc." -> also works in shaming men away from these things by saying they are feminine if they DO do these things and shaming women away from "manly" things and men into "manly" things.
gender validation is important for a lot of us to thrive; societal construct or not, gender roles be damned, its part of our identity- it's an in-group (part of social identity theory where we divide the world into us and them (an in group and an out group) and our relationship to this group effects our identity and is important to our wellbeing bc as we all know we're social creatures with the craving of relationships with and validation from others). however unconscious the process might be, i think this might be part of why we're so attached to feeling validated as our gender - it confirms our rightful belonging to this group and validates our attachment to the label and the schema (grouping of information) attached to said label. (this isn't exclusive to gender of course I also enjoy being validated as a swede, as gen z, etc.)
this is such a nice, well informed comment!! thanks for the insight !
The fact that he's wanting to make them feel like they're at rock bottom makes him look extremely insecure. It's just so warped and twisted though. The way he has a sexual thrill from hurting young girls is flooring. I cannot believe he's not in prison.
@@FoidGames it baffles me more the fact that he wasn't banned from you tube... I'm not really someone to believe in conspiracy theories, but maybe he *does* know someone that work for the platform?
Fellow swede here to validate
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You dont shave?
That's gotta get out of control
The face i made when he said "come back in 10 years when she's 25" like that was so nonchalant to be admitting to being a literal predator
KAI WAS 15 huh??????? kai’s dad didn’t have a problem with a 24 year old talking to a 15 year old?????? and how long were they talking for before he met her dad because you don’t meet the parents right off?????
Bella so creepy
And kais family hates Greg
Kai's father told Groomin' Onion to basically wait until she was an adult to date her.
Deanna Jackson and onion thinks that the father is the unreasonable one
@@smexipenguin Yep.
I've been listening to a podcast called "Cults" on Spotify and grog literally has all the traits of the cult leaders, makes ya think
Rose Thompson literally the only thing that stopped him from going full cult leader is the fact that his appeal on the internet does not translate to real life, he can’t keep the facade up and people see what a monster her is.
He did actually try and start a sort of "cult" at some point, can't remember what it was called but Repsion has a video all about it.
@@samb.8134 Sesisca I think it was; something like that anyway...God why do I know these things? Need a break off of RUclips
Except for intelligence.
@@hollowedxbeauty Sisesca, yeah. Back in around 2004 I think. I need a break too...
Could you imagine being her dad clicking and seeing all of this on RUclips...
I imagine this if it was my position ... my dad would have murdered him and me
him for everything hes done
and me for being a dumb bitch ....
@@ana8621 your dad would murder you ? Parenting at it's best ..
The Iris Proyect Dad of year
Seriously imagine your kid just going through all that crap and then helping their abuser, becoming an accomplice and doing the same shit to other people.
All the while you know that your grandchildren are suffering in this horrible situation as well.
I reallt hope the kids get taken away, for their sake, noone deserves to go through this shit.
No, I am SO GLAD you brought up the defeminization! Nobody will talk about it but is absolutely a ligament road to in the least, look down. I am not going to apologize for feeling like it is strange that Kai used to be very feminine, 0 mention of any dysphoria (actually the opposite at times) .... years later after living every second around Greg..... enough said. It’s a valid point, that is all.
Actually there are a lot of people and creators that talk about it. Even still you're right it should be getting even more attention. I seriously think too many people are afraid to address it because then it is getting into the Kai/trans territory. That is something people tip toe around because, well obvious reasons. There are more & more people and creators who are "going there" now. I will always stand by my feelings that Kai is not trans & would never have been trans without being with Greg. It is so messed up.
Kai actually has mentioned dysphoria many times both on and off camera. Kai had also spoken of feeling uncomfortable with his birth gender in his earliest conversations with Greg before they had officially started dating.
I'm not saying that Onision doesnt defeminize his victims, he definitely does. I'm saying that Kai genuinely is trans and I think that Kai is probably even MORE trans nowadays because he feels unsafe as a woman around shreg. I think that one of the main reasons shreg is attracted to Kai is because he sees kai as a defeminized woman. Shreg, despite being kais husband, has so much trouble gendering his own spouse properly and it's pretty obvious that Greg doesn't see Kai as a fellow man, depsite how kai sees himself.
@@kkittycatkat1990 I'm glad! I haven't noticed many people discussing it but I also can't put myself thru too many peoples videos on the topic, just too many lol! I just stick to 2 or 3 I have been subbed to instead of branching out.
@@backwardsbandit8094 OK I believe you then if Kai has said those things in the past. I really shouldn't bring it up bc I can not point to exactly what, but I have heard Kai say many things over the years that seemed innately feminine. I'm not denying they're personal truth but I am questioning where it comes from. Normally I wouldn't even do that but in this situation I think you have to bc of the surrounding issues. I just hate seeing what he has put so many people thru and the horrible decisions it has led them to make.
@@simonsays5552 alllright time to discuss the intricacies of being trans and what happens to MANY trans people, especially trans men throughout their lives. Makeup does not have a gender. James Charles is not suddenly a woman because he is a makeup guru. Many trans men grow up as women and theyre exposed to aspects of womanhood that they find fun and theyre comfortable with. Makeup is not always a huge trigger for them in fact a lot of them use make-up to masculinize their face anyway. Colourful and artistic people regardless of gender like to colour their hair and look all pretty and glamourous. Cis men do it and so do many many trans men because they were exposed to it due to spending a part of their lives as a woman. Its really not rocket science.
Grug de-feminizing his partners because he can't accept the fact that he's gay and couldn't hook Shane Dawson with that awful kiss.
I- 💀
Na he straight. He wishes he was Shane. Like an extension of him. Like kissing the idolized version of him. Pure narcissism. Like kissing a mirror but "better", with delusion!
Let's turn down the homophobia/transphobia. Thanks
let’s talk about GRUG
@@abbyb2832 where's the transphobia? No mention of trans
Just imagine ...there are kids that need bathing...still in their house...that.is.terrifying.
For once, it's a good thing they neglect their kids anyway
The fact that he has kids is terrifying. I feel bad for them
I firmly believe Kai should be held accountable for his actions. I, also, genuinely believe he can be deprogrammed and rehabilitated if removed from Greg’s influence. The two aren’t mutually exclusive imo
Edited for grammar
She should be held to the same standard as a man if he were in the same exact situation
Anthony Weiner that’s what I’m calling for. I want *him to be held accountable for *his actions. That doesn’t mean *he wasn’t young, troubled, and easily influenced by Greg. The goal is supposed to be rehabilitation. Our penal system often forgets that. Clearly, so do ppl like you.
@@SpoonieCreates wait, who are we talking about?
@@SpoonieCreates she's literally given birth. You can not give birth if you are a he.
Anthony Weiner kai. lainey transitioned into a dude and now his name is kai I guess.
I had to take a double take at Shiloh in her Chris Hansen interview. She's *glowing*
Kai doesn't have a personality, because Greg sucked out any they pontentially might have had. I don't think Greg would be able to live with anyone who has personality, because personality comes with opinions and thoughts that are not Greg's and we all know he can't deal with that very well.
astute!
I don't think it's ironic at all that kai is the one getting in trouble with the fbi. I actually think Greg is very smart and used kai to do the dirty work so his hands could stay clean here. Quite disgusting actually.
Your accent reminds me of Russell Brand, I love it. I can hear you talk all day
this makes me well happy
Oh my gosh I was literally about to comment this exact sentiment
I love listening to both Alizee and Russell Brand ❤
@@AlizeeYeezy i love how you worded that. So pleasing along w what the OP commenter said
person: **breathes**
shregory: kAi Is CrYiNg NoW, tHaNkS
Chris is such an empathetic human i love him so much
Empathetic until he starts copyright striking everyithing that involves pedophile investigations
KuroNeko since when?
This has sure aged like milk
Oh no, Kai is sad.
That brings a tear to a glass eye...
Damn...😶
@Noob the Cat now that you bring that up, I refuse to believe that Gruggles is a valid human person. Not only does he act so inhumanely cruel and evil, but he constantly refers to other people as "Human Beings" as if to distance himself above us. Gruggles is a spawn of hell sent to punish us.
Cae Ert a glass keye
It's strange that greg hasn't clapped back at alizee but he went full meltdown on stranged aeons
The British is too powerful for him.
Alizee: that's the reason for this video...and VIEWS
the newest most honest RUclipsr.
I didn't realise that Kai didn't come out as bi or start to transition until after they were married and had children. I wonder how he'd react to finding out that their chosen surname for marriage (Avaroe) is taken from a tribe that practices polyandry (two or more men sharing a wife). I have no proof that this is where Greg got the name from, but it's a pretty unusual one and given his reverence for native tribes, I'm pretty sure that's it. That means Greg was also plotting and fixating on the idea of turning Kai into a man and then luring in younger women long before it happened.
Excuse me *_what_*
Did i read this correctly
@@theunknown760 Depends on how you read it, but I did ramble a bit lol
For clarification, I saw somebody commenting on the last name 'Avaroe' being unusual and wondering where he got it from, so I decided to do some digging. The only results I found that weren't tied to Greg were all excerpts from various books about marriage and partnerships in more primitive cultures. I couldn't find anything else on this tribe, so that seems like their most noteworthy custom.
[It is the form (of polyandry) which Humboldt found among the (Native Americans). "Among the
Avaroes and the Maypures," he says, "brothers have often but one wife."]
So Greg might have chosen the name, based on nothing more than this information, long before Kai started to transition or discover she liked girls. Combined with Kai's own statements about Greg being the one who pushed her to be more boyish and start having girlfriends, the implications are pretty shocking. But, admittedly, based purely on speculation.
"cool guy kai, if that really is their real name"
sis really just said that-
its probably a quote from the simpsons that is forever melded to my subconsciousness tbh
Cool guy kai is that really is *HER* name
Hearing Adam cry is actually so sad I just wanna hug him :((
Taylor’s parents are kicking themselves for not listening to Repzion.
Well what were they supposed to do exactly?
I don't think they could have done anything to help.
Probably all they can do is try to remain in her life as much as possible and let her know that she can come back, no one kicked her out
Although considering what she's done
Tina Bean this comment is funny af
i think the "de-feminization" thing is purely about power. with girls and women, i think to "de-feminize" them (at least in the way that osciety still treats femininity) is supposed to make them feel less like themselves, less attractive in their own eyes (since as you can see with billy (or billie?), she rather likes putting makeup on, suggesting that she likes how she looks with it on) and less powerful, since they cant control their appearance anymore. i think this would be just as possible with guys for example, forcing a man wear tight, "girly" clothes or something. well, basically, forcing someone to do something they dont want to, and i think its just especially effective when its so outwardly obvious as with clothes and makeup.
I was thinking Shiloh looks absolutely awful with the heavy highlighter and fake lashes, but after finding out onision likely forbid her to wear makeup, I understand it's a kind of rebellion. Of course she can wear whatever she likes, but I personally prefer makeup that's a little more natural.
@@BlueberryDragon13 i think we need to learn as a collective to maybe keep these kinds of comments to ourselves. i see what your point is, but you really could've done that without calling someones makeup horrible-looking yeah? lets just be a little bit more aware of whom we could hurt with our comments (maybe ppl read this that like to do their makeup in the same way for example).
Kai: *crying*
The internet: *wheezing intensifies*
I didnt even think about their daughter having friends over... omg... Im afraid of when their daughter reaches 15 (the age Onion likes), but never once thought about her friends being in the house with him, thats terrifying. This whole thing is terrifying
😭😭😭😱😱😱😱😱
i remember when my eating disorder was real bad it would feed off those vids he did being 'honest' about people's bodies. SO toxic yikes.
GO OFF!! absolutely the same here, I was always looking for bodies similar to what I thought mine looked like and wanted to hear him call these bodies fat and overweight... it was so goddamn toxic and I hate how many times I watched these videos
Oh that’s awful
oh my god same. i feel gross now
“How much power does this guy think he has?”
Well the law is on his side..
@Noob the Cat taylors father is also taylors father????? no way
When I chop onions I cry.. 🌰😭
When Alizee chops onions, onions cry.. and their partners!
😂 True!!
I love this!!
CX
that emoji is a hazelnut 😐
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As a person who keeps up with this story and has been aware of Greg’s platform and drama for years, I would say that most videos (outside of Chris Hansen’s) on this topic are regurgitations of info.
Your video is different. I learned more about this situation and had no clue Greg ever was willing to hand over the rights of his child to Kai (at the time, Lainey) in order to run off with Billie. This videos was greatly informative and enlightening. I’m really glad you made this.
Your perspective as an adult woman who likely has known of Onision for years, and who has a mature understanding of what fucked up behavior truly is has certainly opened my eyes more to the appalling doings of BOTH Greg and Kai. Being that I’m 23 and felt I already had a good understanding of all of this.. I can’t imagine how insightful this video could be to teenagers who may not realize the true gravity of this 10 year + ordeal. Definitely, subscribing.
kai would be a straight girl named taylor and we all know it.
spacetypo I think Kai knows that they’re only into men really. The only time they’re with girls it’s a way to manipulate them and lead them to Greg
Basically lmao
kai would probably have had a good life without greg and that’s sad to think about they’d be so normal
spacetypo maybe prison will reveal the real identity
I think making assumptions of what his identity would be is a little ridiculous. No matter how much we dislike Kai and his actions there is no excuse to invalidate his very identity, you just come off as an asshole especially when there’s already more than enough to attack him for. There’s no need to make things up like that.
Kai crying now? It's more likely than you think
There is a part of me that still remembers being a 12 year old onision devotee and thinking I was so in love with him and it sickens me to my stomach to think that's exactly what he wanted, a cult following of obsessive teens and idk it just makes me really sad
25-10= grossly illegal
I love her