Ken, this is another excellent lesson. Clear and understandable instruction that will help me practice what you taught. Thank you for posting these videos. I'm becoming a better rider with each one that I watch and then apply.
I feel bad for this guy.. when you don't have a natural seat it's hard and I swear if one more person said to me to relax I would have blood on my hands.. the best advice I ever got - for me - was to 'hump the horn' so a rolling movement which gets you away from the up and down movement.. can we remember that we are actually riding an up and down movement and trying to do it as smoothly as possible. Im sure he didn't want to be a ping pong ball either....
Srsly...if 'Steve' went from bouncy to relaxed, it'd have delivered on its promise 'Learn to move as one'. I have to agree with you, there's something yogic with your hips and where you connect with your low back that should allow for the 'roll'. Plus finding your rhythm.
I could see Steve’s bounce, but think mine is worse. Big part of why I don’t trot wife’s horse when I’m aboard. Other part is that I’m too close to weight limit and don’t want to risk injuring him.
@@finngamesknudson1457can I just commend you for being so thoughtful? I know your wife and her horse appreciate you. If I can offer some advice, out of the saddle workouts are super useful for developing the core and leg muscles that will make you a better rider. Squats, lunges, crunches, and stairs are a great start. In the saddle, it’s more than “getting your heels down” and I wish more trainers would explain that. You want to consciously think about putting weight in your feet for a while. Additionally, a saying I heard a lot growing up “hands of a lady, shoulders of a queen, hips of a whore” an old school way of saying what the above comments already have. 😅
I'm sure watching this video really helped Steve. It helps me A LOT to watch myself on camera. I can see exactly what I'm doing and what I need to work on! I'd love to see an update with Steve in a few months :)
Great educational video ! Two questions: 1) in dressage they insist on having toes facing forward , what is your thought on that ? 2) do you think something like a balance board/wobble board helps with bettering one’s seat ?
I have found that the best way to learn how to move as one with my horse is to ride bareback, for many miles, at all gaits. When you do this, you will be able to feel how your horse is actually operating. In this example, the saddle itself is interfering with being able to find your seat and balance. Your heels should be in line with your shoulders. And, if you are riding bareback, your heels will automatically line up with your shoulders. This puts you in balance. The stirrups on this saddle are set too far forward to be able to do this.
I just started the video so I don’t know if they address it, but that was the first thing I noticed. I’d feel off-kilter with my heels that far forward! Like riding a moped instead of a motorcycle lol.
Talking about saddles --- try riding this in an English cut-back saddle (no saddle horn, tiny cantle, no safety strap). Y'all will learn balance Real Quick, LOL.
I sat in an English saddle once. Sat, because every movement the horse made I felt like I was going to fall lol. I went right back to a western after that
I prefer English (not flat seat, but forward seat) when I am trying to get in sync with a horse because I can feel more of the horse underneath me and use my seat and legs in closer contact.
@@charliewhon6548 the time i sat in an English huntseat, I freaked out. I felt closer contact, yes, but I felt like I was going to slide off of him and he's a pretty easy to ride horse. I ride him in western a lot.
@@alyssalong4755 if you ride, and it felt THAT shifty, I’d say maybe the panels on the saddle weren’t sitting well, the gullet size was not correct, the seat size was not fitting you well, or it was a junky constructed saddle. I don’t think there should be an extreme difference in a person’s balance between a western and an English saddle. You either have balance and can ride, or you don’t, and you’re just hanging on in a western saddle. People that are just hanging on, typically don’t have an independent seat enough to steer once a horse goes above a walk, and loping/cantering is a free for all.
@@charliewhon6548 I've trotted and steered just fine. I've never cantered or done any loping. I'm fairly new to riding. I ride twice a week for the last 4 months and it was only my third time on a horse when I was in English. I want to ride English again but I'm really nervous to try. I tend to lean forward when I feel like I'm going to fast in western so I'm fixing some of my bad habits before I put English on him again.
Absolutely not. Trust me on this. You need a good fat wester saddle at first. With a cantle, rough leather, and a long horn to grab.. Even if you’re bouncing and flapping around.. you need to get seat time with a sturdy, safe, saddle. I have no ego telling you as a western riding cowboy.. ridding in an English saddle requires much more skill and finesse.
I commiserate with Steve. Been riding all my life (I'm 71) and I am just now trying to keep my legs straight under me instead of forward as well as turning my toes out!
Why are we watching the ears and exactly how will they tell us where he's going? This is the kind of stuff i feel like gets missed and causes a lot of confusion. Also, relax your seat means something different to everyone...
Wdll, duh ...the canter or looe isnt bouncy, so ya its easy to get into the rythym. This has always been my problem, and why I'm here watching this video. Riding the trot . I been tryin to figure it outnfor a hear.and angalf. On my oage I ha e a video or two where hubs filmed for me , trying to do it tje "right" way, and me doing it the "wrong" way and bouncing a whole lot less. Maybe somebody can shed some.lignt.
Respectfully, I disagree with "heels down". It's been debunked too many times by too many people and makes a rider stiff and biomechanically it causes people to grip with their knees and cause joint issues over time. It quickly causes muscle fatigue as well. I felt bad for the horse too, seeing him bang on his back repeatedly. He couldn't relax, in part because of his legs. He should have been posting, even on the wrong lead would have been a better alternative for him and the horse.
Yes. Heels down causes your toes to extend beyond the knee. Also toes out should be reserved for giving leg cues to your horse or asking for a rounded back and an engaged barrel. You don’t post on leads (unless your riding a hunter/ jumper)you post diagonals. The best way to teach someone to ride the horse and not the saddle is to have them ride bareback. We are astride a horse not sitting. If we can imagine our horse disappearing underneath us, we then ask ourselves if we would land in our feet, in our face, or on our rump. All my riding students ride bareback on their 4th lesson, unless they are still dealing with fear. The problem I see most of the time when teaching riders is they all want to go fast, even if it’s badly, before they are good going slow. He needs to instruct this rider to stop bracing in the stirrups, point his toes up and use his ankles, knees and hips as shock absorbers. He also needs to be taught how to use the last 6” of his spine and his pelvis to flex towards the horses tail and meet the movement of the horse’s hips. Riders need to learn to feel, and know which foot is stepping forward and setting down. Once we can meet the horse’s movements, we can influence the horse with our seat instead of the horse influencing our seat.
Heels down is something great for new riders, so they don’t get their knees up and feet behind them. You’ll notice when Ken is riding his heels are not actually down but flat. Learning not to bounce and move with a horse is hard to learn, especially as an adult. Telling people to relax doesn’t help thogh, you’ve go to tell them exactly what to do, ie, roll your hips in “this” motion, let your back absorb the impact, focus on keeping your head straight and your butt in contact with the saddle, don’t squeeze with your knees etc.
it has zero to do with body weight, when a person says that you know they have no clue how to ride. In fact if anything the lighter the human the smother the ride should be. But in general, the lighter person is bouncing around. You should not be seat the trot until you can ride the trot they are different.
How can Steve be in the apprentice program? He has no clue how to ride or handle a rope! I’d think beginner lessons and a few roping lessons would have been money better spent.
Wow.. As a confused newer rider.. You helped me so much w this video… thank you so much..
This guy's amazing. Just who I was looking for.
ONE OF THE BEST INSTRUCTION I'VE SEEN. TOOK ME BACK 40 YEARS. PERFECTLY TRAINED HORSE
So very helpful to see the ride from both student and trainer. Learned a new way to approach riding the horse and not the saddle. Thanks Ken!
Man of God. I’m a fan, Ken. I’d like to ride with you sometime. 🙂
Ken, this is another excellent lesson. Clear and understandable instruction that will help me practice what you taught. Thank you for posting these videos. I'm becoming a better rider with each one that I watch and then apply.
I feel bad for this guy.. when you don't have a natural seat it's hard and I swear if one more person said to me to relax I would have blood on my hands.. the best advice I ever got - for me - was to 'hump the horn' so a rolling movement which gets you away from the up and down movement.. can we remember that we are actually riding an up and down movement and trying to do it as smoothly as possible. Im sure he didn't want to be a ping pong ball either....
That's definitely a helpful (and hilarious) visual. 😂
Srsly...if 'Steve' went from bouncy to relaxed, it'd have delivered on its promise 'Learn to move as one'. I have to agree with you, there's something yogic with your hips and where you connect with your low back that should allow for the 'roll'. Plus finding your rhythm.
In Australia, we traditionally do not have saddle horns. Makes a huge difference in developing a good seat...in my opinion
I could see Steve’s bounce, but think mine is worse. Big part of why I don’t trot wife’s horse when I’m aboard. Other part is that I’m too close to weight limit and don’t want to risk injuring him.
@@finngamesknudson1457can I just commend you for being so thoughtful? I know your wife and her horse appreciate you. If I can offer some advice, out of the saddle workouts are super useful for developing the core and leg muscles that will make you a better rider. Squats, lunges, crunches, and stairs are a great start.
In the saddle, it’s more than “getting your heels down” and I wish more trainers would explain that. You want to consciously think about putting weight in your feet for a while. Additionally, a saying I heard a lot growing up “hands of a lady, shoulders of a queen, hips of a whore” an old school way of saying what the above comments already have. 😅
I love this!! Great way to get the feel of the horse ❤
Great info. Really appreciate you finishing out with the student pushing you. Although watching that dude drive that horse was painful to watch 😂
Painful, yes 😅
everyone should do this exercise...safely
That is some pretty impressive riding Ken! Inspirational. Thank you. 🤠
I'm sure watching this video really helped Steve. It helps me A LOT to watch myself on camera. I can see exactly what I'm doing and what I need to work on! I'd love to see an update with Steve in a few months :)
Great educational video ! Two questions: 1) in dressage they insist on having toes facing forward , what is your thought on that ? 2) do you think something like a balance board/wobble board helps with bettering one’s seat ?
Ken. Thankyou this is excellent. I did a 2 1/2 hour ride today. Great brush up for me and also to teach grandkids. Simple to understand. Thankyou
I have found that the best way to learn how to move as one with my horse is to ride bareback, for many miles, at all gaits. When you do this, you will be able to feel how your horse is actually operating. In this example, the saddle itself is interfering with being able to find your seat and balance. Your heels should be in line with your shoulders. And, if you are riding bareback, your heels will automatically line up with your shoulders. This puts you in balance. The stirrups on this saddle are set too far forward to be able to do this.
I just started the video so I don’t know if they address it, but that was the first thing I noticed. I’d feel off-kilter with my heels that far forward! Like riding a moped instead of a motorcycle lol.
Ken awesome job! Steve! Read that horse when you're on the ground brother!!!
Talking about saddles --- try riding this in an English cut-back saddle (no saddle horn, tiny cantle, no safety strap). Y'all will learn balance Real Quick, LOL.
I sat in an English saddle once. Sat, because every movement the horse made I felt like I was going to fall lol. I went right back to a western after that
I prefer English (not flat seat, but forward seat) when I am trying to get in sync with a horse because I can feel more of the horse underneath me and use my seat and legs in closer contact.
@@charliewhon6548 the time i sat in an English huntseat, I freaked out. I felt closer contact, yes, but I felt like I was going to slide off of him and he's a pretty easy to ride horse. I ride him in western a lot.
@@alyssalong4755 if you ride, and it felt THAT shifty, I’d say maybe the panels on the saddle weren’t sitting well, the gullet size was not correct, the seat size was not fitting you well, or it was a junky constructed saddle. I don’t think there should be an extreme difference in a person’s balance between a western and an English saddle. You either have balance and can ride, or you don’t, and you’re just hanging on in a western saddle. People that are just hanging on, typically don’t have an independent seat enough to steer once a horse goes above a walk, and loping/cantering is a free for all.
@@charliewhon6548 I've trotted and steered just fine. I've never cantered or done any loping. I'm fairly new to riding. I ride twice a week for the last 4 months and it was only my third time on a horse when I was in English. I want to ride English again but I'm really nervous to try. I tend to lean forward when I feel like I'm going to fast in western so I'm fixing some of my bad habits before I put English on him again.
Looks like a great exercise!
Really interesting lesson. Enjoyed it. If I ever had a horse, this exercise makes me think an English saddle is better to learn on.
Absolutely not. Trust me on this. You need a good fat wester saddle at first. With a cantle, rough leather, and a long horn to grab..
Even if you’re bouncing and flapping around.. you need to get seat time with a sturdy, safe, saddle.
I have no ego telling you as a western riding cowboy.. ridding in an English saddle requires much more skill and finesse.
@@TheFreelanceCowboy 'preciate ya!
This is AWESOME!
I wish you were here in my city. You are an amazing horsemen.
Thanks
It would be helpful if you instructed him to loosen his lower back and roll his hips with the horses gaits...
Many of us learned to ride bareback first. Then you van feel every muscle of the horse moving and let your hips roll and move with theirs.
I’m sure a lot of us were kids who grew up in the “saddles optional” school of riding 😂
I’m gonna do that!
I commiserate with Steve. Been riding all my life (I'm 71) and I am just now trying to keep my legs straight under me instead of forward as well as turning my toes out!
good on you for still riding and improving at 71
I thought that was wonderful. I was a rider, but realised I’m not so good. Love to learn that real thing.
you know, i dont understand why you dont have more likes! love the country music
Why are we watching the ears and exactly how will they tell us where he's going? This is the kind of stuff i feel like gets missed and causes a lot of confusion. Also, relax your seat means something different to everyone...
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Wdll, duh ...the canter or looe isnt bouncy, so ya its easy to get into the rythym. This has always been my problem, and why I'm here watching this video. Riding the trot . I been tryin to figure it outnfor a hear.and angalf. On my oage I ha e a video or two where hubs filmed for me , trying to do it tje "right" way, and me doing it the "wrong" way and bouncing a whole lot less. Maybe somebody can shed some.lignt.
Respectfully, I disagree with "heels down". It's been debunked too many times by too many people and makes a rider stiff and biomechanically it causes people to grip with their knees and cause joint issues over time. It quickly causes muscle fatigue as well. I felt bad for the horse too, seeing him bang on his back repeatedly. He couldn't relax, in part because of his legs. He should have been posting, even on the wrong lead would have been a better alternative for him and the horse.
Yes. Heels down causes your toes to extend beyond the knee.
Also toes out should be reserved for giving leg cues to your horse or asking for a rounded back and an engaged barrel.
You don’t post on leads (unless your riding a hunter/ jumper)you post diagonals.
The best way to teach someone to ride the horse and not the saddle is to have them ride bareback.
We are astride a horse not sitting. If we can imagine our horse disappearing underneath us, we then ask ourselves if we would land in our feet, in our face, or on our rump.
All my riding students ride bareback on their 4th lesson, unless they are still dealing with fear. The problem I see most of the time when teaching riders is they all want to go fast, even if it’s badly, before they are good going slow.
He needs to instruct this rider to stop bracing in the stirrups, point his toes up and use his ankles, knees and hips as shock absorbers. He also needs to be taught how to use the last 6” of his spine and his pelvis to flex towards the horses tail and meet the movement of the horse’s hips. Riders need to learn to feel, and know which foot is stepping forward and setting down. Once we can meet the horse’s movements, we can influence the horse with our seat instead of the horse influencing our seat.
Heels down is something great for new riders, so they don’t get their knees up and feet behind them. You’ll notice when Ken is riding his heels are not actually down but flat. Learning not to bounce and move with a horse is hard to learn, especially as an adult. Telling people to relax doesn’t help thogh, you’ve go to tell them exactly what to do, ie, roll your hips in “this” motion, let your back absorb the impact, focus on keeping your head straight and your butt in contact with the saddle, don’t squeeze with your knees etc.
it has zero to do with body weight, when a person says that you know they have no clue how to ride. In fact if anything the lighter the human the smother the ride should be. But in general, the lighter person is bouncing around. You should not be seat the trot until you can ride the trot they are different.
How can Steve be in the apprentice program? He has no clue how to
ride or handle a rope!
I’d think beginner lessons and a few roping lessons would have been money better spent.
This is painful to watch lol