Modified PACKOUT wheel cart. How to and results. Milwaukee trolley.
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- I modified the Milwaukee packout wheel cart so that the wheels were on the outside. This gave me more stability which is what I and many others were after. If you haven't seen my last video on the comparison between the trolley and the packout roller, then start there.
The axle is 16mm and I cut it to 633mm to fit.
Link to wheel cart vs roller comparison:
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video time line:
0:00 - Intro
1:17 - pulling apart the axle
1:44 - looking at the design
2:10 - making new axle
3:48 - putting it together
7:22 - testing the new setup
9:51 -closing thoughts
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For the bottom plate flipping up and down, just glue a rare earth magnet to the uprights on the frame, so when you flip the bottom plate up, the magnets will hold it there. As for the thru axle, not sure why they added registration notches to it, but in theory you could just drill it out and use a solid thru axle without needing to cut any notches in it.
Cheers mate. A few have recommended the magnet and I like the idea. I’m also not sure why they made the axle like that. Drilling out the holes would definitely be the easy way to do it. Cheers for the input👍
Seeing you walk your packout around your driveway reminds me of when a kid tries a pair of shoes on at the shop and tests them by sprinting to the end of the aisle
You have to make sure the new shoes make you faster. If they don't, put them back.
Great idea.!!! I have a very tall stack of boxes on my original rolling toolbox I use to transport tools and lots of products. I recently fell while going down a steep driveway which made me rethink my tool and accessory storage. I'm aiming for a smaller load with the same volume which has been made possible with the new drawer boxes. I will be getting the new cart and drawer boxes. The modification is perfect. After seeing your video showing the tippyness of Milwaukee's version I was happy to find your vid. It was very well done. Cheers
I have actually been wanting to do this exact same thing. I am going to cut the axel in the middle and slip a tube over the axel and then weld it solid after moving the wheels to the outside.
Very clever mate! After seeing your comparison video I was un easy about buying the two wheel cart, but pretty sure I'll get it and do the mod. Thanks for the idea mate, bloody legend!
Thanks mate. I appreciate the feedback. I really do like the idea of the wheel cart. I have been loving it at work. Hopefully this cheap and easy mod can help people make a decision. Let me know how you go.
@@AddictedtoTools will do, I'm a plumber that does supermarket maintenance. This will be a great solution. Not sure how much it will cost, but I have a guy that does metal fabrication in Sydney. I'm sure he can do a solid Axel for the wheel base. Ill hit you up if I end up doing it.
Are you getting this in and out of your truck throughout the day? In thought it was abit heavy when I checked it out af the tool shop. Thanks again!
That sounds like the go. I’ve found a few places that should have something solid. Costing under $20. So it’s a cheap fix.
At the moment I’m getting it out of the car once a week and keep it locked up on site. So not a huge problem. It’s easier than picking up the packout roller with tools in it though. It does take up more space though.
It sure looks like the stability has improved a lot and it makes perfectly sense, as widening the wheel base will do just that. Great job. I would definitely prioritize your build (stability) over tighter turning diameter (original).
Cheers mate. I really don’t see any problems with the turning with this setup. I’ve never had the problem with the roller. So it’s an easy decision.
It’s a matter of width while storing the systems. I just more compact if the wheels doesn’t stick out. In that regard, the original did it correctly - like the GoRo luggage.
@Ville Witt lmfao 🤣 you've obviously never loaded it with any weight because if you did you would know that a light wind could blow it over so no they did not do it right
Did this with a solid bar after following this video with a bunnings hollow bar. The solid bar takes a bit longer to grind down but totally worth it, thanks for the video 🤟
Kyle! That’s awesome! I haven’t had time to get around to doing the solid bar. It will come someday. The hollow bar is holding up somehow😂 I’m glad that it’s helped out. 👍
Hahaha I just watched your comparison video and the. Googled how to adjust the wheels and found you again! Haha awesome!
I used a solid axle,and made the same mods,definitely worth it!
Where did you find the longer, solid axle to replace ?
@@dmitrimorales8615 hardware store.
How about cutting the existing axle in half while in place then couple it (slip the existing cut axle inside the pipe) together with a pipe with a 5/8" inner diameter, then drill holes thru the two, and use cotter pins prevent spinning? This way there's no need to disassemble the cart or the wheels. Basically extending the axle at the middle.
Great work. Nice idea.
I’ve been trying to decide if I want to buy one of these or modify an actual hand truck. After watching this, I’m really considering starting with a hand truck and modifying it so that it can be both Milwaukee 2 wheel cart and a decent hand truck.
Well done mate ! Looks heaps more stable ! I think you have sold me on the cart ! I'll just have to strap it to the roof racks😂
Aha, I’ve had it on the roof for a few jobs. It’s definitely more stable. Keen to see how it goes. Let me know if you grab one👍🍻
I absolutely love your demo with it after you widen it. I give that a double thumbs up and a 10 out of 10 Had me rolling laughing because you did such an excellent job of it. I was wondering if your tools survived. LOL I’ve been pondering over buying this stupid cart for over a year every time I look at it I just contemplate it and go nope I might buy it now that I see what you did to it though. Some boxes did look empty. But loved it. Over 10,000 in Milwaukee pack out and fuel tools I’m a professional remodeler and I run everything cordless now and I mean everything. And I haven’t broke down and bought this damn dolly. It’s the only thing I don’t have.
You should use the old axle for the wheels and then just get a slightly bigger diameter pipe and bolt or weld together. Might save some hassle x
Thanks for the video, may have to try this 😎🛠️😎🛠️😎
Love it!
Nice! Good job! They need to fix that ASAP! 🔨👍😁👍🔧
Thanks mate. From the amount of people who are talking about this, I feel they do need to change it. 👍🍻
Epic! I hope the is is sold as a pre-fab
Great job, I would love to move those wheels onto the outside!
Thanks mate. I’d say it’s worth the time to do it. Let me know how you go. 🍻👌
Perfect mod…. Although I didn’t mind it before as it fits in my canopy perfect!
Aha I just found that it doesn’t sit in the back of the car as nicely as well. I’ll have to take that downside.
Best mod to date.
I’m trying this on mine, had it tip first time using bent it like crazy on my 2nd one now
I had the same thought but basically just get a 5/8" ID pipe, then cut the stock axle in half widen it the necessary length and use the new pipe to sleeve it. Drill through both peices and use a through bolt to secure it. The solid axle is what will give the weight capacity and strength
Love it
Seems like you solved the problem. I have the rolling box but that too needs to be modified to fit in my truck with tonneau
HOw did you do that? I just lay mine down on the back.
looks awesome! been keen on getting a pack out, just too expensive for an apprentice 😅
It’s pricey. Worth it in the long though. 🍻👍
I would like to see Milwaukee offer this as an option to their cart. I’m a carpenter not a machinist, so I’ll be taking a solid axle to a machinist, to make it the 2.0 version you created. I would’ve liked to have seen the load carrying plate be able to lock in the up position as well as the down position. I will be removing the catch mechanism on either side & attaching a small bungee.
Thank you for sharing your great idea.
Hey steven. I’m planning to do the same with a solid axle. Shouldn’t cost too much. I’m planning on doing another video with some updates and new thoughts. I might be putting back one of the locking mechanisms as when i put weight up high(in the crate) with no large box on the bottom. It wants to fall over because the bottom plate isn’t locked in.
Good luck though. Let me know how you go.
@@AddictedtoTools I'm thinking about epoxying some rare-earth magnets to the plastic to hold it up or maybe manufacturing some sort of catch to hold it up.
The two locking mechanisms should have definitely had a rod or something attached and then ran up by the top handle so you could just squeeze it and unlock the bottom plate.
Honestly guys i just did a solid axle on mine and if you have a bandsaw its super easy , wont need a machine shop . Whole thing took about 20 minutes , also used two piece collar clamps in order to keep the functionality of the locks .
@@traviserlston6563 - I don’t know what a collar clamp is by name. But, I do have a portable bandsaw, & a Millner Hauffen grinding/cutting wheel, for that flat edge.
@@chefsteven34 look up 5/8 bore double split shaft collar set screw on amazon , cheers
Great idea. You’ve just got a new sub!
What’s the overall width of trolley now outside wheel to outside wheel please?
Great i was thinking about to do that from first use ,,
its worth doing. I'm hoping they end up changing it in the future.let me know how you go
This is GREAT! Thanks for sharing could you do another comparison on the width after the mod vs the rolling box again, before it was thinner how much if any is it larger now?
It’s a pleasure mate.
That’s a good idea. I have had a few questions that I should follow up on. I’ll try to get something out soon. Thanks for the idea👍🍻
Your neighbors probably think you’re insane 😂
😂😂not wrong. It’s not just the neighbours either
How well does it fit threw door frames
Slam a bit of 1/2 pipe inside the 5/8 pipe give it a bit more strength save doing it all over again. Great video had this same idea the other day when I went and looked at the cart after watching ya comparisons video. Just waiting for draws to come out in Aus before I buy the system
I think a heap will go to the cart when the drawers come out here.
Not a bad idea with the extra pipe. I’ll give it a go👌🍻
Good hat mate!, cheers from NY
Oh this makes the dolly so much better! What is the total width with the wheels after the mod? Inches please, we Canucks don't actually use metric lol
Awesome
Cheers 👌🍻
Looks heaps more stable. Well done mate. You could sell it as a mod pack for the packout. 👍
Sure does. I definitely could. These are fairly accessible parts I feel though. I’ll see how strong this axle is and if needed upgrade to a solid one. If people have trouble finding a new axle I can help.
Hope your keeping well mate. Take care👍🍻
@@AddictedtoTools Hello dear friend,
Can you help me find the right parts for this job please?
Dude this is great i tried to do this too but got discouraged by the flat side on the axle I might have to try this again 👍
It’s a strange style of axle. I’m not sure what the benefit of the shaped axle is. Worth doing if you’ve had problems with the stability. Let me know how you go👍🍻
Solid steel axle, vise and an angle grinder... just be patient...
Now that you’ve modified it. What’s the new overall width from axle end to end? Thank you
Good modification, if you put that on some of the packout Facebook groups I think they would love it.
Cheers mate. I’m on a couple of those pages. 🍻👍
In the UK we call those wheel pins R clips as for the widening of the wheels, safety first over practicality. 🚑
in the USA we call them hairpin clips
I go through lawns every day. Uneven ground, and the short wheelbase makes the stack very unstable. It's a handful keeping it from rolling over. So I need to get this mod done!
follow up on how well this mod has held out?
Looks more sturdy,Milwaukee should take your design onboard
if Milwaukee changes its design same like it, you should get the loyalty from them. great mod BTW.
Aha that would be nice but I doubt they’ll do that. Cheers👍
It's a cool idea but I go in houses on 28 inch doors. I won't fit if I do that. But it's awesome
How does it fair with stairs, is the back still prone to scratching the stairs if going up and down? And will I still be able to go through doorways?
Milwaukee should make an accessory kit with a longer axle for those that want the wheels outboard. 👀
100% I know a lot of people that didn’t want to get the trolley because of this matter. They may have to do something.
I'm definitely doing this. As is the cart is unstable as hell.
Have you done it yet?
I had the opposite problem with the dewalt tough system trolley it's too wide so I made it thinner.about 4 inches
Nice. Was it for a certain purpose, like narrower entries? Did you find any problems with the stability after? I’m looking at grabbing g the dewalt system sometime to test
I like this much better. What is the clearance side-to-side for going through doors?
By the way, who gets a bandsaw before a grinder? You must be an electrician.
@AtT, do you prefer the now-modified rolling cart over the trolley overall?
Hey mate. I do like it more. I don’t have to worry so much about it tipping over. I’ll definitely be upgrading to a solid axle.
Could you try it on large gravel with the extended axle?
Can do mate. I’ll probably change this over to the new solid bar axle and then do another video with my thoughts after using it for awhile. Thanks for the idea👍🍻
I have the same issue with mine.. it’s not stable when loaded up and going into job sites it always wants to tip on me. I was thinking of using 5/8 all thread rod and grinding down the sides and drill a hole for the cotter pins
You’re definitely not alone on this one. I was actually going to use the same rod. But after awhile it might wear through the plastic because of the thread, which is why I went the bare axle. Definitely let me know how you go with it.
Lolol, I'm in America and I'm laughing about your response to the 5/8"dimension "whatever that is".
I'm familiar with metric and obviously us/imperial measurements. It's just funny to me to think about how most of the world has no real reference for what an inch is. It isn't something i ever think about, since i know both systems, and i always see the measurements next to each other
😂yeah I bet it’s strange to hear. Can’t think of a time it’s ever come up in my trade. Almost forget inches exist
@@AddictedtoToolshaha, i wish i could forget that inches exist, too. I'm a locksmith, and do a lot of custom installs, so I've become pretty good at dealing with our ridiculous units of measure.
Example: ok, this bit is 1-13/64"and i need to add another bit which is 3-3/32"to this other piece that is 1-5/8"
It's obviously 5-59/64".
That's totally way easier than 113mm plus 81mm plus 253mm, isn't it?
I like the locking mechanism but it needs to be easier to latch and unlatch
100%. After taking both off mine, I would like just one that’s easy to use.
Great video, but why didnt you just drill out that indent in the base? Instead of all that work with the round rod? Wondering if there was a particular reason.
Hey Philip. That’s a great question. Usually with mods I do to any gear, I usually true to not change the actual equipment until really needed and that I know it’ll work. It’s definitely a viable method. I’ll be looking into that with the new solid axle. Cheers for the question
An old thread, but someone may read this.
The reason for the flat is to control where the wear takes place. If you just drill it out, the axel may rotate inside the cart, and that will wear the cart out, whereas if you lock the axel, and let the wheels rotate, the wear will occur on the wheels, and those can be replaced a lot easier than replacing the cart frame.
You had me convinced that the trolley is not good but now you have me feeling conflicted 🤔 back to square 1!
Was about to get a 4pce kit with the old rolling box tomorrow morning for $735 from Sydney Tools but I may take another look at the cart lol
Hey mate. It’s worth thinking about. Obviously it depends on what your doing, but with the new xl packout box and drawers coming out in the future. I feel the wheel cart is the way to go. But if you are just getting a basic setup and not utilising it as a dolly, the roller box maybe the go. It’s a damn hard choice though. Let me know how you go if you needed to see anything. Always up for helping out. 🍻👌
don’t worry Mat, he’s done the same to me 🤣 i was like “good, the trolley is crap and i’ll save my money” and now i’m conflicted and considering it 😜
😂 next video will be of the new setup snapping and you’ll hate it again. 😆🍻
I do like the carts idea more due to the modularity and dual purpose of it. I was only concerned as it does seem poorly built for $285, atleast Milwaukee has a lifetime warranty on it
Was also thinking of making my own cart by either mounting a base rack to a normal hand trolley, or making up a nice base so that any hand trolley can be used
@@jyttam i was thinking of doing the same thing but i think with the extended wheelbase it def seems much better (plus it’s got milwaukee stamped on it so i’m a sucker for that) haha
Honestly I'd just get a regular hand cart and do like some have and mod it with a few attachment points cause honestly it'd be cheaper and probably sturdier too.
That’s definitely an option that a few have gone to. That could be the next route for myself. 🍻👍
Just wondering if you’ve found a solid 5/8 axle in Australia for the mod?
Hey. I did find one ages ago but never bought it. Can’t remember where I saw it. The one I first installed has last.
I think you would have been far better off drilling the plastic housing out so the axle would pass through without weakening it and then possibly figure where to drill a hole through the housing and axle to insert a cotter pin to locate and stop the axle spinning.
That’s definitely another option. I usually try to not change anything on the gear itself unless necessary. I’ll be changing over to a solid bar, but if I need to I’ll do as you said👍🍻
I almost flipped my packout multiple times and im afraid eventually im going to flip it over, unfortunately if i did this mod I wouldn’t be able fit my packout set in my tacoma truck bed, i have 2 deep drawers and one 3 drawer taking up one side of the truck bed and the wheel cart taking up the other side and they fit pretty tight already… but love your mods bro
That’s the downside for sure. Mine tipped multiple times in a week before I did the mod.
I think you’ll end up bending that axle but it’s a good idea to get extra stability!
Yeah I’m thinking the same. Once I find a suitable solid rod, I’ll swap it over. Sure is more stable though. Cheers👍🍻
I hope milwaukee is taking notes.
They definitely know about the problem. I’m hoping they bring out a different version. 👍
You know they made it so you can fit through narrow arrows like doors right ?
Yeah mate. I discuss the reasons for the wheel position in the original comparison video. Cheers for the heads up though. 👍🍻
It would have been easier to modify the hole on the handcart to fit the new rod instead of cutting the rod and compromising its integrity.
I agree but I didn’t want to permanently modify the trolley. 👍
Mate, your a dead set legend - How's the Cart going after 2 years??
Thanks mate. It’s been awesome. Still going even though I didn’t change the axle still from the temp one I made. I’ve had it onsite for close to two years and I’ve never had it topple over like it used to
Great mod but why didn't you just drill the original axle hole bigger and let the axle rotate in the hole?
Thought about it, but I don’t like modifying the actual gear itself if I don’t have to. Just a personal preference. I know others that have done this though👍
Ripper idea 💡
Cheers mate.
Gute Idee👍
Ich werde mir diesen Wagen nicht kaufen da ich nicht professionell mit packout arbeite ist es zu teuer.
it seems. he is having a test drive with his latest rolls royce
That’s way better
Yeah it sure is. It’s been great since. No problems
Hilarious 😂 you have all those boxes (packout) your in a garage/workshop but you don’t have a grinder 👀😂😂😂😂
Yeah mate. I didn’t have a lot of tools as I hadn’t needed them. The packout I use a lot more than the grinder. I hope that makes sense 👍
why not just drill the plastic and use a solid axle? you should order some 3" x10" wheels from magliner 111080 microcellular
Hey Frank. When I do modifications, I’m not sure if they will work or if I’ll keep it. So I usually like to make minimal changes to the original product in the beginning. That’s just me though. If I go to a solid bar, I’ll probably just drill out the plastic. I’ll have to check out the wheels. Thanks for the recommendation 👍
Now all it needs is a motor to help haul those big loads.
😂 would be great. I have seen another guy that’s done it.
I would rather it never flipped up, same Idea I had just not a fan the plastic frame.
It’s definitely off putting having the plastic frame. It’s held up really well though, even when moving larger items around. It still fits nicely through door frames with no worries.
@@AddictedtoTools it appears there is No Cross Bracing side to side, Just the 3 Plastic Shelve things, I wonder if you add 2 thin Cross Rods if it will fix the sideways flex.
Goed idee dit maar zal hem nog niet kopen vind 229 euro echt te duur,en dan is ie nog niet eens goed🤔
Why not just drill the plastic out round instead of ruining the structural integrity of a round axle. Just a thought hindsight is 2020. Done in minutes.
Usually with modifications I don’t like to damage the original product. I do agree it would be easier. So far it’s lasted. Still using it daily and putting a lot of weight on it. I’ve been very surprised. 👍
You make no sense!! All of your boxes are empty!!! That does apply at a real job site!!😏
What are you talking about. The modification made a massive difference.
I just did this but I put tires on it with some actual beefy tread and eliminated those stoppers for the plate and will be putting on a strong magnet but instead of notching the axle I just took a torch and heating the axle up and pushed it through the notch on both sides and it works perfectly
Love the mod and I am now looking to modify my set. I do diesel mechanic so most of my tools are rather heavy and even in slight uneven surfaces I had it almost drip over with just two boxes. I now have more boxes so definitely need to do this.