Nice video Taylor. I've used a pen tablet (Intous Pro Large) for over 20 years and only this year did I finally try the Cintiq Pro 22 and the Xencelabs 24 for a couple months. Hoping that I would be converted to some new found drawing bliss. But unfortunately I was disappointed with the screen tablet experience due to the few, but significant negatives such as softer resolution screens, pen lag, worse drawing posture, closer distance to screen which strains the eyes, physical hand in the way of the drawing and keyboard shortcuts hard to reach. On the other hand, the Pen Tablet allows me to sit upright with a healthy distance from the screen. I can use my 5K Studio display (which is amazing!) No pen lag, better reach to keyboard shortcuts and the ability to have two screens side by side to spread out the working area. Overall, I can see the appeal with the screen tablet but I really don't think it's for everyone. Especially considering the cost too. I hope my 2 cents worth can help with the decision making for anyone watching. I wish you all the best with your new addition to the family :)
I started to drawing digitally in 2020 with a intuos small and after 4 years it became a second nature to me. I can't see myself drawing in a different way. What a great dad you are. That's beautiful🥰
I had to switch back years ago because of all the long hours working on these day in and out. I found that with a Large Intuos Tablet and a nice BenQ monitor, I saved thousands of dollars and no more neck and back pain. It's really not as bad as some may think you just got to give it some time. I don't even notice the disconnect that many have had. I just made sure to set up my work station properly. One thing people overlook with Intuos is that you don't need to use it flat on the desk. I have mine on a tablet stand giving me a nice angle that really helps ergonomics and feel. It also helps you to use your shoulder more.
That's a great idea! I'm going to give that a try, I never thought of that. I think I'm still going to lean in to using the pen tablet. I just love that it's so easy to move around and these days I'm constantly switching between coding and drawing.
I see I see, I thought I was the only one but seems like pen tablets do incentive you to use more wrist movements and contrary to you I actually put more strain onto my forearm for this subconscious need for getting more precise haha. I have a theory on why I tend to use more my wrist with pen tabs (and this might be fairly obvious). A 24inch monitor allows me to see more of my canvas which of course translates into less moving around it. However, because medium pen tabs are about the same as a 12inch pen display this means that I'm subconsciously stuck at drawing on a super small area! I tried to use a large pen tab once (HUION Giano), but it only mitigated this issue. Maybe things can be different for you, XP-Pen Deco Pro Gen 2 has a MASSIVE pen tablet that might incentivize you to do more shoulder movements.
I prefer or pen tablet for painting and screen for line work. I had similar physical issues with neck and shoulders but when I lower my screen so I can rest my drawing arm on the table and screen it got so much better! Good luck with you children! Thanks for sharing!
What also is worth of comparison is tablets like iPad or Samsung for drawing. For me those are winners for creating, drawing, sculpting. The most comfortable use. You can draw everywhere you want, sitting next to my desk or sitting on my bed or living room. I have a bigger non screen tablet and I use it much less.
I heard what you said, been there and done that. 20yrs in video games industry, this is what I think its best. I got a Cintiq 22. When use Zbrush/Substance/Maya/3ds, use Cintiq like screenless tablet - so that hand dont block the screen and more comfortable. When draw lineart, switch Cintiq back to be screen tablet - draw with Precision. Also use ergotron arm to bring the screen up so I dont hunch.
I need to invest in a good monitor arm. Right now I actually attached the Huion adjustable stand to the back of my Cintiq pro, then I have a standing desk I move up and down to adjust. It works okay, but could be better.
I like to add, the ergotron arm allows me to switch tablet position and angle for 3d or 2d setup easily, very versatile, while in 2d mode doing lineart, I bring the tablet upward as I mentioned before, sometimes if it is too high, drawing hand will feel tired, I'll find my sweet spot of height that is high enough to avoid hunch low enough to avoid drawing hand from getting tired, close enough like I can feel "intimate" with my drawing, ergotron let me adjust to my heart desire. also as for using Cintiq like intuos, I can map the entire screen to draw! Meaning I can draw on tablet to screen in almost 1 to 1 ratio, even bigger than intuos pro L, now I can use shoulder or elbow to draw, not limited to wrist, you know, that small stroke on tablet become a BIG stroke on monitor? How annoying. But when I need to use 3d, I prefer to map active drawing area to be smaller, sculpting in zbrush feels better with smaller stroke. Cintiq 22 is not heavy, ergotron is strong enough, I like that combo, it gives that balance and flexibility. I have read reddit over the years, try out various setup, i know all our struggles and needs, I find my setup now allow me to do 2d and 3d easily in anyway I want. Also consider ergotron price vs Wacom stand$$$. It can be a normal monitor arm if one day when u retired from drawing tablet nothing wasted. Hope this helps anyone here.
Thanku I have a 27 Cintiq and love it. Scored on EBay for half off. I guess the guy didn’t know what he had. But he shipped it wonky. He made a 3D printed unit to add an arm not included. But I use a fancy glass table so an arm is no go. Thank u for the tips. I’m dabbling in 3D Art
Some advice for using pen tablets is to get comfortable rotating the canvas when drawing strokes at weird angles, just to make those actions more natural. BoroCG has a video showing his setup, and he has his tablet at an angle just like you would a display tablet, that also make drawing more comfortable for your wrist/arm.
One thing I like about my Huion pen display (16") is that, when I need a break from bad posture, it can also be used as a pen tablet simply by turning it off. It took about two weeks, but I finally got to the point where I can use both comfortably. And I don't have to disconnect one and move it aside to use the other. Don't know if other pen displays do this as well. Love the video. Did the baby arrive with the attached chair? Or did y'all have to order it separately?
Informative comparison, however no wonder your getting a sore wrist using the tablet flat on the desk. I use mine on an old A2 board and have it angled at a height so my arm is hanging relaxed and my wrist is in a natural position. I took the arm wrest of my chair as it was in the road. I can see the temptation of a drawing screen however coming from a fine art background the ergonomics often look wrong when I see people crouched over them, face 6 inches from the screen.
This video jusy randomly showed on my my home page. Idk if you know this but witj your huion tablet you have the option to turn off the screen to use it just as a pen tablet. (Probably useless to know now since you can't returnnthe intuos pro but maybe you can sell it if you want)
Wonder if you’re still checking your channel. This latest video seems to be showing the Cintiq Pro 24” and I recall your previous video you mentioned you were replacing it with the Kamvas Pro 24”. Did you do it or decided to keep the Cintiq?
Hi, great video. I am going to ask your recommandation on something. I learned drawing and painting traditionally. Then shifted into digital, more like a amature 2d illustrator, learning 3d as well. I has been using low priced pen tablet so far, planning on an upgrade within 800-1k $. Should I go for a premium pen tablet from wacom, or low budget 22 inch pen display from Huion/XP pen ?
What software do you use. I'm into floral watercolor painting. I want to go with ipad and procreate.. but I have been using PC for 30+yrs now. Big mental block for using new tech. Thanks.
I use Photoshop for drawing, but I haven't done a lot of colored paintings. The brushes they have for Photoshop seem to mimic watercolor brushes decently well to my eye at least, but I think it's going to be hard to truly replicate the look of a traditional watercolor piece. I would say your experience will probably be the same if you choose an iPad or a screen tablet or a pen tablet. It's going to all be about the brush you choose. You might like these www.behance.net/gallery/15212625/REAL-Watercolor-Brushes-for-Photoshop
Why did you go back to the Cintiq? Last video you said you were gonna be using the huion kamvas. I’m considering buying a Cintiq or a Kamvas and your opinion would be useful.
So I could get a really good "apples to apples" comparison between a screen tablet and pen tablet made by the same company. I didn't want the fact that the tablets were produced by different companies to muddy the waters. Instead, I wanted to test the "best" the company made (at the time) of each type. I have since switched back to the Kamvas, and although I stand by the fact that the Cintiq still feels better, I don't miss it. I would rather have the smaller form factor of the Kamvas than the smoother feeling screen of the Cintiq. My pursuit of trying to master the pen tablet continues though, so I've been using that a lot.
Thanks! In that case, the new Cintiq pro line comes with thinner vessels (thinner than the newer kamvas I think). Would you pay 1k more for a new Cintiq with thin vessels instead of a huion? I’m a professional animator and illustrator and I really love the feeling I get from my Cintiq pro 16. But I have to buy a new tablet for different reasons I won’t bother you with, and I’m still a bit hesitant to just follow my heart and buy a new Cintiq when maybe the Kamvas is just as good an option that will las as long and feel similar.
@theYAHA25 how long are you planning on being a professional animator and illustrator? 🙂 I bet (and hope) it's a while, in which case I don't think you should feel bad spending the extra money. I haven't had a chance to try the new pro line, but the smaller form factor looks like it's definitely worth it for that alone. I had a (sort of) similar issue when I was buying a new pixel 8 recently. I wanted to get the 1TB version but had a hard time justifying it in my head. I went for it, and now I record almost all my videos on my phone because there's "endless" space. It's much better than my webcam. I'm happy I did it, and I don't miss the extra money.
@@TaylorStine thanks for the advice! It’s been about ten years now and I’m just getting started XD We’re kinda similar. I practice Japanese jiujitsu and have a two year old. Anyway, thanks dude!
Love your videos, i just got the x-pen artist pro 24 and i might just return it to get that tablet instead! (By the way on a side note, i couldn't help noticing your name, are you jewish, is Stine is Jewish? Looks like you could be related to R.L Stine (Robert Lawrence Stine). Just type, R.L Stine Jew of the week, he kinda look like you 30 years from now maybe...No offense! Anyway happy new year to you and your family and hope to see more videos from you this year! ;)
My daughter gave me an Intuos Pro L and was surprised how quick I worn down its nib in 2 weeks, so I turned pen setting softer and "wax the surface"... smoother while still having the surface texture feel, but not sure if I'm making a potential mess to it.
Nice video Taylor.
I've used a pen tablet (Intous Pro Large) for over 20 years and only this year did I finally try the Cintiq Pro 22 and the Xencelabs 24 for a couple months. Hoping that I would be converted to some new found drawing bliss.
But unfortunately I was disappointed with the screen tablet experience due to the few, but significant negatives such as softer resolution screens, pen lag, worse drawing posture, closer distance to screen which strains the eyes, physical hand in the way of the drawing and keyboard shortcuts hard to reach.
On the other hand, the Pen Tablet allows me to sit upright with a healthy distance from the screen. I can use my 5K Studio display (which is amazing!) No pen lag, better reach to keyboard shortcuts and the ability to have two screens side by side to spread out the working area.
Overall, I can see the appeal with the screen tablet but I really don't think it's for everyone. Especially considering the cost too.
I hope my 2 cents worth can help with the decision making for anyone watching.
I wish you all the best with your new addition to the family :)
I started to drawing digitally in 2020 with a intuos small and after 4 years it became a second nature to me. I can't see myself drawing in a different way. What a great dad you are. That's beautiful🥰
I had to switch back years ago because of all the long hours working on these day in and out. I found that with a Large Intuos Tablet and a nice BenQ monitor, I saved thousands of dollars and no more neck and back pain. It's really not as bad as some may think you just got to give it some time. I don't even notice the disconnect that many have had. I just made sure to set up my work station properly. One thing people overlook with Intuos is that you don't need to use it flat on the desk. I have mine on a tablet stand giving me a nice angle that really helps ergonomics and feel. It also helps you to use your shoulder more.
That's a great idea! I'm going to give that a try, I never thought of that. I think I'm still going to lean in to using the pen tablet. I just love that it's so easy to move around and these days I'm constantly switching between coding and drawing.
Great video and info! Thank you!
I see I see, I thought I was the only one but seems like pen tablets do incentive you to use more wrist movements and contrary to you I actually put more strain onto my forearm for this subconscious need for getting more precise haha.
I have a theory on why I tend to use more my wrist with pen tabs (and this might be fairly obvious). A 24inch monitor allows me to see more of my canvas which of course translates into less moving around it. However, because medium pen tabs are about the same as a 12inch pen display this means that I'm subconsciously stuck at drawing on a super small area!
I tried to use a large pen tab once (HUION Giano), but it only mitigated this issue.
Maybe things can be different for you, XP-Pen Deco Pro Gen 2 has a MASSIVE pen tablet that might incentivize you to do more shoulder movements.
I prefer or pen tablet for painting and screen for line work. I had similar physical issues with neck and shoulders but when I lower my screen so I can rest my drawing arm on the table and screen it got so much better! Good luck with you children! Thanks for sharing!
The finished line work is my biggest challenge, I have yet to master clean inking with the pen tablet. One day maybe... Glad you enjoyed!
What also is worth of comparison is tablets like iPad or Samsung for drawing. For me those are winners for creating, drawing, sculpting. The most comfortable use. You can draw everywhere you want, sitting next to my desk or sitting on my bed or living room. I have a bigger non screen tablet and I use it much less.
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the baby is a part of the art setup now😂😂
I heard what you said, been there and done that. 20yrs in video games industry, this is what I think its best. I got a Cintiq 22. When use Zbrush/Substance/Maya/3ds, use Cintiq like screenless tablet - so that hand dont block the screen and more comfortable. When draw lineart, switch Cintiq back to be screen tablet - draw with Precision. Also use ergotron arm to bring the screen up so I dont hunch.
I need to invest in a good monitor arm. Right now I actually attached the Huion adjustable stand to the back of my Cintiq pro, then I have a standing desk I move up and down to adjust. It works okay, but could be better.
@@TaylorStine indeed, those arm is quite costly, but worth it, I'm thinking to get one more :D
I like to add, the ergotron arm allows me to switch tablet position and angle for 3d or 2d setup easily, very versatile, while in 2d mode doing lineart, I bring the tablet upward as I mentioned before, sometimes if it is too high, drawing hand will feel tired, I'll find my sweet spot of height that is high enough to avoid hunch low enough to avoid drawing hand from getting tired, close enough like I can feel "intimate" with my drawing, ergotron let me adjust to my heart desire. also as for using Cintiq like intuos, I can map the entire screen to draw! Meaning I can draw on tablet to screen in almost 1 to 1 ratio, even bigger than intuos pro L, now I can use shoulder or elbow to draw, not limited to wrist, you know, that small stroke on tablet become a BIG stroke on monitor? How annoying. But when I need to use 3d, I prefer to map active drawing area to be smaller, sculpting in zbrush feels better with smaller stroke. Cintiq 22 is not heavy, ergotron is strong enough, I like that combo, it gives that balance and flexibility. I have read reddit over the years, try out various setup, i know all our struggles and needs, I find my setup now allow me to do 2d and 3d easily in anyway I want. Also consider ergotron price vs Wacom stand$$$. It can be a normal monitor arm if one day when u retired from drawing tablet nothing wasted. Hope this helps anyone here.
Thanku I have a 27 Cintiq and love it. Scored on EBay for half off. I guess the guy didn’t know what he had. But he shipped it wonky. He made a 3D printed unit to add an arm not included. But I use a fancy glass table so an arm is no go.
Thank u for the tips.
I’m dabbling in 3D Art
Some advice for using pen tablets is to get comfortable rotating the canvas when drawing strokes at weird angles, just to make those actions more natural. BoroCG has a video showing his setup, and he has his tablet at an angle just like you would a display tablet, that also make drawing more comfortable for your wrist/arm.
One thing I like about my Huion pen display (16") is that, when I need a break from bad posture, it can also be used as a pen tablet simply by turning it off.
It took about two weeks, but I finally got to the point where I can use both comfortably. And I don't have to disconnect one and move it aside to use the other.
Don't know if other pen displays do this as well.
Love the video. Did the baby arrive with the attached chair? Or did y'all have to order it separately?
Informative comparison, however no wonder your getting a sore wrist using the tablet flat on the desk. I use mine on an old A2 board and have it angled at a height so my arm is hanging relaxed and my wrist is in a natural position. I took the arm wrest of my chair as it was in the road. I can see the temptation of a drawing screen however coming from a fine art background the ergonomics often look wrong when I see people crouched over them, face 6 inches from the screen.
This video jusy randomly showed on my my home page. Idk if you know this but witj your huion tablet you have the option to turn off the screen to use it just as a pen tablet. (Probably useless to know now since you can't returnnthe intuos pro but maybe you can sell it if you want)
Wonder if you’re still checking your channel. This latest video seems to be showing the Cintiq Pro 24” and I recall your previous video you mentioned you were replacing it with the Kamvas Pro 24”. Did you do it or decided to keep the Cintiq?
Hi, great video. I am going to ask your recommandation on something. I learned drawing and painting traditionally. Then shifted into digital, more like a amature 2d illustrator, learning 3d as well. I has been using low priced pen tablet so far, planning on an upgrade within 800-1k $. Should I go for a premium pen tablet from wacom, or low budget 22 inch pen display from Huion/XP pen ?
Would a smaller pen tablet give you less strain?
A screen tablet like the xp pen artist 12 pro will work as a pen tablet if you turn it off but keep it connected.
What software do you use. I'm into floral watercolor painting. I want to go with ipad and procreate.. but I have been using PC for 30+yrs now. Big mental block for using new tech. Thanks.
I use Photoshop for drawing, but I haven't done a lot of colored paintings. The brushes they have for Photoshop seem to mimic watercolor brushes decently well to my eye at least, but I think it's going to be hard to truly replicate the look of a traditional watercolor piece.
I would say your experience will probably be the same if you choose an iPad or a screen tablet or a pen tablet. It's going to all be about the brush you choose.
You might like these www.behance.net/gallery/15212625/REAL-Watercolor-Brushes-for-Photoshop
Why did you go back to the Cintiq? Last video you said you were gonna be using the huion kamvas. I’m considering buying a Cintiq or a Kamvas and your opinion would be useful.
So I could get a really good "apples to apples" comparison between a screen tablet and pen tablet made by the same company. I didn't want the fact that the tablets were produced by different companies to muddy the waters. Instead, I wanted to test the "best" the company made (at the time) of each type.
I have since switched back to the Kamvas, and although I stand by the fact that the Cintiq still feels better, I don't miss it. I would rather have the smaller form factor of the Kamvas than the smoother feeling screen of the Cintiq. My pursuit of trying to master the pen tablet continues though, so I've been using that a lot.
Thanks!
In that case, the new Cintiq pro line comes with thinner vessels (thinner than the newer kamvas I think). Would you pay 1k more for a new Cintiq with thin vessels instead of a huion?
I’m a professional animator and illustrator and I really love the feeling I get from my Cintiq pro 16. But I have to buy a new tablet for different reasons I won’t bother you with, and I’m still a bit hesitant to just follow my heart and buy a new Cintiq when maybe the Kamvas is just as good an option that will las as long and feel similar.
@theYAHA25 how long are you planning on being a professional animator and illustrator? 🙂 I bet (and hope) it's a while, in which case I don't think you should feel bad spending the extra money.
I haven't had a chance to try the new pro line, but the smaller form factor looks like it's definitely worth it for that alone.
I had a (sort of) similar issue when I was buying a new pixel 8 recently. I wanted to get the 1TB version but had a hard time justifying it in my head. I went for it, and now I record almost all my videos on my phone because there's "endless" space. It's much better than my webcam. I'm happy I did it, and I don't miss the extra money.
@@TaylorStine thanks for the advice! It’s been about ten years now and I’m just getting started XD
We’re kinda similar. I practice Japanese jiujitsu and have a two year old.
Anyway, thanks dude!
Oss! 🥋🐍👶
If I connect ps5 to screen tablet Wacom, would it work?
Love your videos, i just got the x-pen artist pro 24 and i might just return it to get that tablet instead!
(By the way on a side note, i couldn't help noticing your name, are you jewish, is Stine is Jewish?
Looks like you could be related to R.L Stine (Robert Lawrence Stine). Just type, R.L Stine Jew of the week, he kinda look like you 30 years from now maybe...No offense!
Anyway happy new year to you and your family and hope to see more videos from you this year! ;)
Is this a medium or a large?
Large
lol you are funny. Great video.
Thank you 😁
bro you already had a screentablet, you couldve used it as pen tablet without dishing out money on intuous
But dishing out money is the only thing I've ever been good at... I own several bridges I'm happy to tell you about.
My daughter gave me an Intuos Pro L and was surprised how quick I worn down its nib in 2 weeks, so I turned pen setting softer and "wax the surface"... smoother while still having the surface texture feel, but not sure if I'm making a potential mess to it.