Feel bad for Tomas. It’s a struggle when you have a stutter problem or not good with speech. It took me a while to get rid of my stutter so I just felt bad watching him struggle with his speech.
I knew that he was an actual teen dad for the emotion he put into the words. Instead the mole (don’t want to spoil the video) was so obvious because he sounded like he was repeating someone else’s experience
@@TheDeathlust I'm not sure how to explain this but I don't think that's what they were looking at it from I mean they themselves are teen dads they aren't gonna think "I can drop my baby and hurt them and it's gonna be ok cuz I'm a teen there for that guy is safe"
Honestly, the way Tashawn dropped Pikachu actually convinced me that he is a dad because the way he pulled out the diaper from under it would have worked on a real baby but because the stuffed animal is so much lighter it got dragged along. It was a practiced move and the reason it failed was the stuffie, not lack of skill.
The only reason I was, was because during the diaper changing scene he said: "Oh yeah I used to do that when I changed my sis..." And he cuts himself off like he was going to say sister. Obviously his Mic was muted to the others but it just made me think he was a older brother who takes care of his baby sister or something.
These young men are incredible!👨👦 Its so hard for young dads these days what with the current trend of feminist man bashing🤢 and knowing how biased family courts are against men, its good to see good young men not letting themselves be brought down by all that! Hope the Moms appreciate these wonderful men dude!🤟
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@@TheClaireyboos there are some crazy mothers out there My sisters were teen moms (3 sisters) and two of them didn't want their okayish baby daddies to have zero contact. Mom supported them. Sometimes you just paint a bad picture and can't see the good in them
Yeah, the way he was like "I'm pro-life, so THANK YOU for making that decision." They didn't make that decision for you mate, they did it because it was the right decision for them, and if they had decided to abort, that would have been okay too. 🙄
I think most people illustrate the hardships of teen parenthood, but I think if you ask one of those teen parents they will be just like parents who are prepared for having kids. Exhausted, stressed, but happy, and elated to have children.
It also how Jubilee picks them, I think it’s irresponsible. Being a teen parent could be very fun my sister was a teen mom and her and her son have an amazing relationship. However she has constantly said that although her kids were blessing it was so hard for her and she wishes shows like this could diversify in experiences.
Why is everyone out here roasting isaiah, like if hes pro-life then that's him, y'all out here judging him like it's wrong for him to say that, everyone has an opinion geez,.
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exactly! also during the tiebreaker round you can tell tomas was just so emotional and loving towards the baby that it was hard to really form a strong case. sean’s case sounded too rehearsed
“i’m pro-life because when i was given the *choice* to *choose* to keep the baby or not, i decided to keep the baby and created an attachment. since i was given the *choice* and created that attachment, i can’t imagine anyone else making their own *choice* because of the outcome of my *choice*” lmao
@@wildninjaturtle6715 "i'm pro life because after having my own baby I can't imagine other people killing their own clump of cells" there fixed it for you!
I know right?? I've heard some people don't like it because supposedly 'the woman is the one that does all the work' but I honestly find it so sweet when the dad takes accountability and considers himself a part of the experience. Being pregnant is very stressful for both parents.
These young men are incredible! Its so hard for young dads these days what with the current trend of feminist man bashing and knowing how biased family courts are against men, its good to see good young men not letting themselves be brought down by all that! Hope the Moms appreciate these wonderful men!
I mean, i agreed about the feminist/prolife thing but don't assume that about someone you don't know. A lot of religious parents try to cover-up a pregnancy by suing for rape the fathers even when it's not true, when it's just that they can't bare the fact that their child was sexually active.
a feminist is literally someone who supports women’s rights. abortion is not a right!! so yeah he can be feminist lmaooo. plus there’s a whole movement called “pro life feminists”
@@zoeyx654 Zoey x no one should be forced to give birth to a whole a_s child I mean imagine the horror. They are not only expensive but it is quite scary having to worry for them at times.
Okay but why does everyone think that pro-choice means everyone gets an abortion?! 😂 bruh, pro-choice just means there’s an option for a woman to have access to a safe abortion if for whatever reason she chooses to get one. It’s not like “oh abortion is legal so she HAS to have an abortion”. Like jeez dude 😂
Yep! I don't get it. I am pro choice but I wouldn't have an abortion. But my circumstances are not the same of everyone, so who am I to know what's best for them, right? They should know, have access to informations about everything and the consequences and based on their need and knowledge make their choice.
@@lifeisshørt_420 yeah I'm pro life what's wrong with that? I dont want fetuses to DIE not be able to live a life your ending someone' A life and saying "well I couldn't take care of it sooo yeah" nah bro that's f up all pro choice but let the parents make the choice y'all want the parents of the baby to make the choice anyways so might aswell give the choice to adults and people who already are parents
That one guy who said he “can’t see anyone” having an abortion and it’s “just such a horrible thing”..... bro not everyone wants a child. It isn’t for everyone. He sure as hell didn’t have to go through pregnancy and labor, his baby mom did........
I agree!! I thought the comment was actually so out of touch lmfao. There are women who will die if they experience child labour and pregnancy. Like are they just supposed to be abstinent then? It makes no sense and abortion isn't celebrated. No one is stoked for it obviously, but it is such an important option for us to have medically.
You're right not everyone wants a child because, #1 they aren't ready. If you're not ready to have a child and you go ahead and do something that can cause you to have a child, why would you take such big step then??
@@claravillatoro8739 I dont think the freedom to partake in sex is consent for becoming a parent. That's an outdated, usually religious angle on abortion.
@@gabrieladeromeri8688 Im not saying don't have sex, im saying if youre going to take that step... know the consequences and prepare. Its not 100% that you'll have sex, and not get pregnant.
Ok, but we should respect his opinion at least. Plus, u can’t assume the worst in every situation, especially thinking the baby momma would probably disagree when we have no idea what she would say.
I knew it was Sean the moment he slipped up and said "wife" instead of "girlfriend" at first at 10:09. His brother and his brother's girlfriend probably got married at some point, and so he slipped up on his wording when trying to pull from his brother's life.
also he was consistently voting for Nick to vote somebody out because he hoped others would still be sus of him. after noticing this reasoning, this wife instead of girlfriend slip up and how vague his speech was overall gave him away 100% in my eyes
Isaah: “The family is really feminist so I’m so glad we had a girl” and then “thank you for not choosing to have an abortion” “I’m pro life”... like dude, feminism is about women having choices. Literally lost all my faith in him when he said that.
When Isiah THANKED the other guy’s for keeping their children due to his pro-life views I was like ikyflll💀💀💀 Although I am personally pro-choice & being pro-life is your own personal opinion, it should never be forced upon another person
if you don't consider abortion for yourself but you want other women to be able to choose to get one you are pro choice and not pro life. Pro choice is all about choice, not pro abortion
8:58 Saying that having an abortion is “such a horrible thing” is inconsiderate of the thought and pain that goes into actually having an abortion cause the parents might know that they aren’t in a place to have a child or health conditions. Lost all respect for that guy with that response
Isaiah: “They’re feminists so they were happy we were having a girl” ??? “ I’m pro life so thank you all for not doing that” ??? this dude lost all my respect.
@@jonathan_8100 you cant be pro life and a feminist. Pro life means you want women to not have an abortion there fore not givingvthem a choice. Feminist means giving women choice. Isiah is saying that he is a feminist and pro life. I dont want to have an abortion but i'm nit going to force girls to not have one. Its not my body and i dont know what they are going thru. Hope that helps clear it up.
@@airwakkerre1861 because pro choice is not pro abortion. It allows women to choose what to do with their body. You can be pro choice and never want to do an abortion yourself. but don't restrict other women's rights because you your personal beliefs
It felt like Isaiah was only pro life because he hated those who encouraged his wife/girl friend to abort. Instead, he should be thankful that he and his partner were ready and able to care for a child, because so many aren’t at such a young age.
@@dhdh2918 exactly. He could’ve complimented them all for being great dads and left it at that but for some reason felt the need to disrespect others who couldn’t make the same choice.
@Magret if you're a troll, nobody thinks it's funny. if you're serious, you're messed up...the 'asian's don't deserve to be listened to' comment was just wrong in every way. this too, everyone has opinions and if you don't know what you're talking about don't comment at all (she did win a grammy lmao). hope you understand :D
I know that for pro-life people it's hard to know that there are people out there having abortions, but the other side is scary as well. When a woman is forced to give birth, she undergoes 9 months of vomiting, 9 MONTHS of pain in her stomach and the headaches. Pregnancy is not easy at all. When a woman is forced to give birth to a baby she does not want, that is torture by definition. And the chances of her resenting that baby after their born whether they turn out to be a good person or not is heightened. I'm not sharing this to convince anyone of anything, if you're pro-life by all means. I'm just trying to offer the mother's perspective. Continue with your political opinions as you will.
Majority of abortions are from people who consented to sex and are aborting for elective reasons. Have common sense and maybe don't do something if you are not okay with the natural very possible outcomes. Their life shouldn't be your choice because you couldn't control your own urges. With all the knowledge and bc options, there is no excuse.
so ur saying ur not trying to convince anyone, but then u go on to say 'continue with ur political opinions as u will'. I'm pretty sure I'd rather have my mother dislike me, then be dead.
@@kva5751 so you only support abortion if rape was involved? How about females who are raped by family members? There’s a high chance the baby can come out deformed and with physical problems. Not to mention the low chances of people actually adopting babies and kids with deformities and disabilities. So are you still pro-life under those circumstances too?
@@stephaniebrown3925 so you only support abortion if rape was involved? How about females who are raped by family members? There’s a high chance the baby can come out deformed and with physical problems. Not to mention the low chances of people actually adopting babies and kids with deformities and disabilities. So are you still pro-life under those circumstances too?
Darren is not actually a teen dad. His girlfriend Hailey was on a show called unexpected and she had a daughter named Kinsley with her boyfriend at the time Matthew. When Darren and her girlfriend broke up he took the baby’s name out his bio and Hailey his girlfriend said that he would get mad if she was letting kinsley (the daughter) go see her real dad
Bro, I was like why does Ethan look so familiar, then I heard his story and realized I saw him before then I realized that he was from a TV show called Unexpected that's about teens who are pregnant, so I knew he was a real teen parent.
Darren is also from the show. He is not the baby’s biological father but still is a “teen dad” in the sense that he’s raising the little girl with the mom from Unexpected
Well there have been cases where guys are born with uterus in there butts and don’t find out until there pregnant is rare though like couple hundred cases a year.
I mean.. it kinda is? They're the child's dad, they both made that baby and they should both have a say. The only reason they shouldn't is if the child is conceived in rape
@@Hannah-vc8sl Both mom and dad should have a choice, but it's not really the dad's choice. It's the mom's body so the final decision is hers, even if the dad doesn't agree.
@@_aasthasingh idk I disagree with you because it takes two people to make a life. Both of them fucked up so both of them have 50% in that decision. Unless it is rape or if mothers health is in danger. Like I am sorry and I agree it is her body but both of them fucked up and they both need to make a decision
"Thank you all for not making that choice" well... uh... none of them were pregnant so it's not really possible for them to have made that choice anyway. Also, shaming people who've gotten an abortion? Not cool
My comment is deleted for pointing out that its statistically much more likely that women will break up families - yet this comment implying men leave more often is allowed by Jubilee because the bigot who wrote the original comment complained. Your bias is showing Jubilee
@@poocrayon4588 ye that’s strange . But with my comment I meant that from personal experience and other people that I know ‘s experiences fathers are more likely to leave their children and not do co parenting or something . Women are just more likely to initiate divorce but they seem to be more likely to not just be absent in their children’s lives
@@sophiea831 Thru initiating divorce and utilizing unfair laws women often make the choice to cut the father out of the childrens lives as much as is practical and makes their lives easier when they get sick of the father. That is just as bad as just leaving the kids. And even if its co parenting - women are still making the choice to make the father a half time at best parent and possibly a co parent with another step father, usually after promising (and probably believing) they would do otherwise to said father - and there doing it statistically far far more often than men are - which is obviously and unfair situation for men to enter into. Yeah In the past and now there are deadbeat dads who just skip out on their kids cause they cant be bothered - but once given the choice women have acted far more often in the ways I said above than men. So if some men dont value their own children, its also true that many women dont value their childrens relationship with their father or respect the fathers relationship with the children - and by not doing so they also dont value their childrens emotional well being but only see their children as accessories and something they possess which must fit around their own selfish wishes.
So Isaiah loves that his girlfriend’s family are feminists, yet doesn’t support women having a choice? 😬 Prolife cannot go hand in hand with feminist lmao.
I saw Sean’s chair and was like “if he was a teen dad, he’d probably spend that money on toys or dippers not a gaming chair.” 😂 voted off first round in my eyes
I knew it was either Darren or Sean. When they were talking about their children, I think those two were the only one's that didn't smile. Small things like that are big indicators.
@@ebonynorwood3753 You can believe a baby has a right to live but it shouldn't overpower the actual fully formed human's right to bodily autonomy . No one finds abortion a fun sexy exciting concept but it's a modern reality rather than destroying women's and children's lives
Being Feminist doesn't make you pro abortion. One can be pro life and still be feminist, like one can give women the right to choose what to do, but that doesn't mean one has to do it. I, a woman and a feminist am pro life for myself. I'm not saying no one should get abortion, people can do what they choose to do, but I personally would not like to get an abortion making me pro life regarding myself. I hope that makes sense.
@@katnisspotterholmes5206 But being pro life is taking away the option of what a woman wants to do with her body. Whether she’s not ready for a baby financially, she’s not ready for it mentally, or if she is a victim of rape/incest
I love how jubilee always get the opposite sides to get a long it’s really nice because whenever people in the real world don’t agree it’s just fighting
The dude that had to throw in being pro-life, like “Thank you everyone for making a choice that I am comfortable with, because that is really all that matters” like, for real?
i was hoping isaiah would be the mole just bc he was just an A hole. i feel bad for tomas because the only reason he was voted off was because he had a speech delay which is just blatant ableism. ive been in similar situations as him for my speech issue and how isaiah was so willing to vote him off only for his speech issue pisses me off
@@lifeisshørt_420 Is it just an opinion when his literal stance is that no woman should have a choice? That's less of an opinion and more of a policy position with dire consequences because you want everyone to do what you did
@@sarahkashani6025 Have u ever thought maybe he has that opinion because he doesn’t like the idea of babies dying? He never said anything about women’s choices…
@@lifeisshørt_420 you do realise that most abortions happen early on and there are very few late term abortions, and in those cases it is because the quality of life or chance of it surviving is low
@@lifeisshørt_420 me personally I’m pro-choice because it’s the woman’s body so she should do what she wants to it, of course there’s the “dad wants the baby but the mom doesn’t” situation but I’m not gonna get into that
Feel bad for Tomas. It’s a struggle when you have a stutter problem or not good with speech. It took me a while to get rid of my stutter so I just felt bad watching him struggle with his speech.
ikr:(
i know some people who speak like that it always makes their day when you help them out or let them take their time
I knew that he was an actual teen dad for the emotion he put into the words. Instead the mole (don’t want to spoil the video) was so obvious because he sounded like he was repeating someone else’s experience
Yea I felt the same. I also struggle when talking and it sounds like I’m nervous and stutter all the time but ig I just have a speech impediment
I still stutter haha
you can tell thomas was a teen dad from the start because whenever he thought or talked about his kid he smiled and looked very happy
yes it was too cute 🥺❤️ im sure they are such a happy little family!
@@amalei293 yeah
Isn’t he on the show called teen mom?.
Dunno my mum wouldn’t smile about me-
He's adorable. I loved his sweet, happy face.
THE MOLE AT THE END LOOKED SO AWKWARD WHEN ALL THE BABIES CAME OUT HAHAHAHAH
EXACTLY AHAH I SAW THAT TOO
I FELT SO BAD FOR HIM LIKE-
FRRR I WAS DYING
It was so obvious Thomas is a dad he got so happy talking about his child. The FREAKIN TV in the back was even showing cartoon suggestions
Wait when did it suggest kids shows? Time?
Probably his son was watching tv in the back lol
They just don't like Thomas being not rich.
Tashawn raked on everyone’s baby changing skills and then proceeds to drop his baby lmaoooo
my man tayshi 💀
Exactly what I thought
Hahahaha the best
NO FR 😭🤚
I was suspicious of him the most lol
TOMAS SEEMS SO SWEET AND HAPPY AND NERVOUS ABOUT HIS KIDS LIKE IDK HE SEEMS SO GENUINELY HAPPY WITH HIS BOY I LOVE IT
SAME!! You can tell he's a good dad and I knew was a dad when he did the diaper thing :)
WHY ARE WE YELLING!
Exactly I was surprised they were Sus of him
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I felt so bad for Tomas, he was the one person I was sure was a teen dad 😂
Yeah I was so sure of him being a dad too. I think people voted him out because he’s not the best speaker and has a natural stutter
sameee right at the beginning just looking at them I trusted him lmao
Forgot about dont go to the comments because PEOPLE WILL RUIN IT
Fr I wanted nick to get voted out😭
Same. Him and TaShawn
dang i didn’t even know why they voted for tomas like he genuinely seemed like he’s a dad
yeah he just seemed shy
and they vote tashawn like when tashawn accidentally drops his doll it prove that he's teen dad cuz an adult dad gonna be more careful
@@TheDeathlust I'm not sure how to explain this but I don't think that's what they were looking at it from I mean they themselves are teen dads they aren't gonna think "I can drop my baby and hurt them and it's gonna be ok cuz I'm a teen there for that guy is safe"
same, the TV in the back was even showing cartoon suggestions
Ikr
When Tashawns stuffed animal was just being dragged by the diaper I couldn’t stop laughing
Same 😂
Sameee. 😭😂
my man soul tayshi 😈💀
SAMEEEE
SAMMEE PLZ
you can tell he’s a teen dad just for the simple fact that he named his daughter after a VIDEO GAME CHARACTER 😭
Ikr he should have said that right away 😂
Fking basic
You say that like Robin Williams didn't at 38 years old..
@@margotlameface4148 i love robin williams for that ngl
Bruh u can call ur kid Zelda it don’t matte
When Ethan called the wipes "wipies" I knew he had to at least have spent a while around babies
Yeah it was that moment that I knew he was for sure a dad lol. Never heard anyone but parents call wipes that.
True I have so many siblings and I call it that
@@blaze.eliana yes I was just about to say that it’s on TLC right?
@@rosieq.8713 yes
Lmao my parents never did that but I had friends parents that do so when I heard that ik
Honestly, the way Tashawn dropped Pikachu actually convinced me that he is a dad because the way he pulled out the diaper from under it would have worked on a real baby but because the stuffed animal is so much lighter it got dragged along. It was a practiced move and the reason it failed was the stuffie, not lack of skill.
THANK YOU EXACTLY
exactly! babies have weight, it’s not like he yanked the nappy away
“I have a girl, so always wipe down” YES.
I’m glad he knew!
I’m a single dad and I’ve been wiping up this whole time 💀
@@Rico401Prov noooooo 🥺 , well now you know!!
@@Rico401Prov HAHAHAAHAAH-💀I’m dead
Why down
Tashawn: "That is not how you change a diaper"
Also proceeds to drag his pretend baby off of the desk
prolly bcus the toy was so lightweight compared to an actual kid lol
😂
Not sean just sitting there are watching the teen dad's showing their kids 😄
He’s just like 🧑💼
LMAO
I’m physically dying of laughter thank you for pointing that out lmaoooooo
LMFAOO FR- like he should’ve gotten his brothers kid or sum 😭🤚
The like amount was 999 i made it 1k yayy
I feel like Tomas is a super sweet father- I don’t know why everybody was suspicious of him
Same 😭
Cuz of his way of talking SMH
I ❤❤❤❤ him!
The only reason I was, was because during the diaper changing scene he said: "Oh yeah I used to do that when I changed my sis..." And he cuts himself off like he was going to say sister. Obviously his Mic was muted to the others but it just made me think he was a older brother who takes care of his baby sister or something.
@@finnsnow2495 that made me suspicious too. But that's probably how he learned and changing a girl is different.
Imagine if a kid said "he is not my dad"
@Magret wtf? That's straight up racist. Get a life dude
@Magret I'm not sure if that's a joke or not but I don't think that's a kind thing to say
@Magret ok karen..... but that’s like saying “ur white ur comment is invalid”
@Magret u can’t be serious
@Magret uhh wtf
Why is nobody talking about how adorable tashawns baby was
rightt, I was looking for a comment like this.
Maybe cause the babies were on screen for like half a second each haha
For the same reason nobody mention that Tashawn was the most absent father
@@ArgLarper wdym? How?
@@ArgLarper he said he only sees his kid once a week
Tomas was so genuine - love that guy. But big respect to all the dads!
These young men are incredible!👨👦 Its so hard for young dads these days what with the current trend of feminist man bashing🤢 and knowing how biased family courts are against men, its good to see good young men not letting themselves be brought down by all that! Hope the Moms appreciate these wonderful men dude!🤟
@@poocrayon4588 ok
@@poocrayon4588 what do feminists have to do with this video
NOO WHY’D THEY VOTE OUT TASHAWN, HE WAS A COOL DAD LMAO 😭
Ikr
I mean he dropped the baby pikachu-
FR I WANT HIM AS MY DAD😭😭😭
yesssss😭ikr'
@@dianebozeman6569 cause it was too light
the last dude who said he was a teen dad seemed super excited lmfao
Ye lol
@Magret what are You talking about? teen moms had their own episode a while ago.
@Magret but shes right. The moms had an episode let the dads have one. Be glad the dads are even in the childs life.
@Magret You can stfu. Teen moms had an episode, why can't the dads have one too?
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Poor Thomas he’s been targeted because he has a stutter.
Lol, right
I loved Thomas. He deserved better 🥺
Ya
@@ashleyjekel5251 Tomas* he’s not white he’s Latino
@@lifeisshørt_420 Latinos are white
the fact that the isaiah's girlfriend's mom almost took him to court brought up a lot of questions.....
Probably wanted her daughter to get the kids and cut him out her life (apart from child support of course).
Yeah I was saying the same thing...
Right he really just said that and didn’t give us any follow up
@@poocrayon4588 yeah but why would a mother want that for her daughter and granddaughter unless something else was at play?
@@TheClaireyboos there are some crazy mothers out there
My sisters were teen moms (3 sisters) and two of them didn't want their okayish baby daddies to have zero contact. Mom supported them. Sometimes you just paint a bad picture and can't see the good in them
“My son watches CocoMelon, pj masks, and I’ve been trying to get him to watch Naruto”
your son is gonna grow up to be a great hokage one day 😌
Ain't he from tiktok I forgot his tiktok name tho
he a tiktok we right?
@@brokenking7723 soultayshi
I was like YESSIRRRRRRRR
When he name dropped the first two I knew he was a dad
Why do I have a feeling Tashawn is the coolest dad ever 😂
his baby is so freaking cute
@@yaneliz_marie right!!
Literally 😭
HIS BABY- SO DAMN CUTE THO
@@totallynotzephyr i knowww so adorable omg
Isaiah talking about how his family’s super feminist and then going and shaming abortion...... make it make sense
Yeah, the way he was like "I'm pro-life, so THANK YOU for making that decision." They didn't make that decision for you mate, they did it because it was the right decision for them, and if they had decided to abort, that would have been okay too. 🙄
Yeah I know ... where’s the logic in that man .
THATS WHAT IM SAYING
As he should.
@@charl7346 as he should? what shaming abortion?
When Tomas showed his son I almost shed a tear Tomas seems like such a caring father
Idk why but Tashawn is sooo funny 😂 and he keeps yelling at us 💀
I’m weak asf😂😂😭😭
😂🤣😂🤣
why is no one talking about the synchronized “hi” & wave at the beginning that was impressive
0:55
Ikr!
Me and the boys
Why are none of them ever real like "yea I love my kids but being a teen dad can really suck"?
That's probably because not every teen parent is gonna hate their life
I think most people illustrate the hardships of teen parenthood, but I think if you ask one of those teen parents they will be just like parents who are prepared for having kids. Exhausted, stressed, but happy, and elated to have children.
It also may just be because the participants are volunteers. I'd assume that people who don't enjoy being a teen dad wouldn't sign up to participate!
It also how Jubilee picks them, I think it’s irresponsible. Being a teen parent could be very fun my sister was a teen mom and her and her son have an amazing relationship. However she has constantly said that although her kids were blessing it was so hard for her and she wishes shows like this could diversify in experiences.
Because theyre dads and teenagers, most responsabilities probably lie on the mothers and grandparents anyways lol
now why did isaiah feel the need to say that
Because why not
So he could shame all the people who had to abort watching. Honestly he’s a POS.
Why is everyone out here roasting isaiah, like if hes pro-life then that's him, y'all out here judging him like it's wrong for him to say that, everyone has an opinion geez,.
cuz it is wrong for him to say that.... no need to subtly shame others who decide to abort just because of your own sucky opinion
Errupt this is like the 5th time Ive seen you comment about isaiah are you his boyfriend or something?
the mole sat there awkwardly as they all bring out their kids is so funny to me
I could never have been a teen dad. I was irresponsible and had no goals and was a virgin and all of those obstacles.
lmao
Which do you think was the biggest one ?
@@Tmg-04 we all know the answer to that ..
@@Tmg-04 being a virgin would make it hardest to be a teen dad
Not irresponsable enough
I already know Ethan is a teen dad because I’ve seen him on tlc’s unexpected
I knew he looked familiar😆
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Darren as well, he is Hailey's (1) boyfriend and Kingsley father, considering everything.
@@mikete01 isn’t Kinsleys dad Matthew ?
just bouta say this
Sean was completely detached and nothing seemed genuine, he seemed like he’s reading a script.
Ikr??
exactly! also during the tiebreaker round you can tell tomas was just so emotional and loving towards the baby that it was hard to really form a strong case. sean’s case sounded too rehearsed
I couldn't stop laughing when Tashawn dropped his "baby"
i almost shed a tear from laughing too much
@@joy-zy1md lmaooo
“i’m pro-life because when i was given the *choice* to *choose* to keep the baby or not, i decided to keep the baby and created an attachment. since i was given the *choice* and created that attachment, i can’t imagine anyone else making their own *choice* because of the outcome of my *choice*” lmao
Right??? Lmao
Just cause it worked for him doesn't mean others should be forced into it
"I'm pro life because after having my own baby I can't imagine other people killing their own baby" there fixed it for you
Yes, delusional.
@@wildninjaturtle6715
Key word: choice
@@wildninjaturtle6715 "i'm pro life because after having my own baby I can't imagine other people killing their own clump of cells" there fixed it for you!
“The game is over and the lesbians have lost”
I literally hear this everytime the game ends for any odd man out now 😂
ill never forget this, too funny 😂
Plsss🤣😭
HAHA yes
What?😅
You’re telling me Isaiah is pro life AND named his daughter after a rainbow six siege character???
What’s wrong with being pro-life? Everyone has their opinions.
@@rhyzz__5504 yeah as long as you aren’t forcing, it’s fine!
Is that game...pro choice?
bruh he made me cringe
Pro choice for the win
Tomas literally said she got pregnant in MIDDLE SCHOOL...and Isaiah goes on about pro life and how he’s proud they didn’t make the choice
And his baby mama had an emergency delivery…like possible complications are one of the main reasons mothers abort. It was insensitive of Isaiah.
@@elinwilliams2432 she could’ve died- oh my…
Maybe she didn't want an abortion
Idk why but when the dads say “and we got pregnant” it’s just so nice for them to be like I had a part in it, it wasn’t just her
I know right?? I've heard some people don't like it because supposedly 'the woman is the one that does all the work' but I honestly find it so sweet when the dad takes accountability and considers himself a part of the experience. Being pregnant is very stressful for both parents.
I love how Tomas seems so passionate about being a father
"I'm pro-life"
When I tell you I RACED to the comments
Werido
SAME SIS
Chile me too, it's fine being pro-life for yourself but it was a little insulting when he said how horrible it was for someone to get an abortion
and he thanked them like they did it for him lmaooo
I was like, no boi, you can't make decisions for others, fxck that sxit
“I dropped pikatchu” 😂😂
he killed the Pikachu baby 😭😭
no more naruto for pikachu 😭 😭 😭
Can I just say- Tahsawn and his baby are so gorgeous.
These young men are incredible! Its so hard for young dads these days what with the current trend of feminist man bashing and knowing how biased family courts are against men, its good to see good young men not letting themselves be brought down by all that! Hope the Moms appreciate these wonderful men!
When they all had their kids it was so wholesome
Good on these young men - hope🙏 the Moms appreciate them and dont bail and take their kids when things get hard. That would b so sad 😥💔
He named his daughter after a rainbow character, that’s quite funny.
Exactly
Sounds like something i would do lol.
Isaiah “ I’m a feminist “ then says he’s pro life also saying her mom was gonna take him to court she was probably underage
What a terrible assumption to make about someone
I mean, i agreed about the feminist/prolife thing but don't assume that about someone you don't know. A lot of religious parents try to cover-up a pregnancy by suing for rape the fathers even when it's not true, when it's just that they can't bare the fact that their child was sexually active.
a feminist is literally someone who supports women’s rights. abortion is not a right!! so yeah he can be feminist lmaooo. plus there’s a whole movement called “pro life feminists”
@@zoeyx654 if you're pro life youre not a feminist simple women deserve the right to an abortion
@@zoeyx654
Zoey x no one should be forced to give birth to a whole a_s child I mean imagine the horror.
They are not only expensive but it is quite scary having to worry for them at times.
Okay but why does everyone think that pro-choice means everyone gets an abortion?! 😂 bruh, pro-choice just means there’s an option for a woman to have access to a safe abortion if for whatever reason she chooses to get one. It’s not like “oh abortion is legal so she HAS to have an abortion”. Like jeez dude 😂
Those emogis are cringe af.
@@vankyer758
yes “Emogis”
Yep! I don't get it. I am pro choice but I wouldn't have an abortion. But my circumstances are not the same of everyone, so who am I to know what's best for them, right? They should know, have access to informations about everything and the consequences and based on their need and knowledge make their choice.
Cause most pro choices mostly have that mindset
@@lifeisshørt_420 yeah I'm pro life what's wrong with that? I dont want fetuses to DIE not be able to live a life your ending someone'
A life and saying "well I couldn't take care of it sooo yeah" nah bro that's f up all pro choice but let the parents make the choice y'all want the parents of the baby to make the choice anyways so might aswell give the choice to adults and people who already are parents
That one guy who said he “can’t see anyone” having an abortion and it’s “just such a horrible thing”..... bro not everyone wants a child. It isn’t for everyone. He sure as hell didn’t have to go through pregnancy and labor, his baby mom did........
I agree!! I thought the comment was actually so out of touch lmfao. There are women who will die if they experience child labour and pregnancy. Like are they just supposed to be abstinent then? It makes no sense and abortion isn't celebrated. No one is stoked for it obviously, but it is such an important option for us to have medically.
You're right not everyone wants a child because, #1 they aren't ready. If you're not ready to have a child and you go ahead and do something that can cause you to have a child, why would you take such big step then??
@@claravillatoro8739 I dont think the freedom to partake in sex is consent for becoming a parent. That's an outdated, usually religious angle on abortion.
@@gabrieladeromeri8688 Im not saying don't have sex, im saying if youre going to take that step... know the consequences and prepare. Its not 100% that you'll have sex, and not get pregnant.
Ok, but we should respect his opinion at least. Plus, u can’t assume the worst in every situation, especially thinking the baby momma would probably disagree when we have no idea what she would say.
I knew it was Sean the moment he slipped up and said "wife" instead of "girlfriend" at first at 10:09. His brother and his brother's girlfriend probably got married at some point, and so he slipped up on his wording when trying to pull from his brother's life.
An then he said in my example like that was weird phrasing
Yea. It was kinda weird. I noticed that but at the beginning I'm pretty sure he said he wasn't married. So I was a little confused
I guessed it was Sean from the start because he looks the youngest, most carefree, well-rested, etc.
also he was consistently voting for Nick to vote somebody out because he hoped others would still be sus of him. after noticing this reasoning, this wife instead of girlfriend slip up and how vague his speech was overall gave him away 100% in my eyes
He said your wife or your girlfriend in my example. Nick was married so it wasn't really a slip-up
Isaah: “The family is really feminist so I’m so glad we had a girl” and then “thank you for not choosing to have an abortion” “I’m pro life”... like dude, feminism is about women having choices. Literally lost all my faith in him when he said that.
literally!!
Yeah, he says that he loves his daughter and then proceeded to judge women choices
So he can't be a feminist and pro life? Jeez, talk about eating your own for not agreeing on everything.
It’s an opinion
@@taylorr7048 abortion is murder you criminals
I have a test to study for, but here I am...
Same 😭😭😭😭
Same I got finals 😭
@@Shedgie finals in march????
Finals In June lol
Same
When Isiah THANKED the other guy’s for keeping their children due to his pro-life views I was like ikyflll💀💀💀 Although I am personally pro-choice & being pro-life is your own personal opinion, it should never be forced upon another person
Yea that was weird...
if you don't consider abortion for yourself but you want other women to be able to choose to get one you are pro choice and not pro life. Pro choice is all about choice, not pro abortion
@@marinaborzova8943 yes, true :)
frrrr i wanted to get an abortion right there just for him lmfao
yeah thanking them?? first of all it isn’t their choice to begin with but alright
8:58 Saying that having an abortion is “such a horrible thing” is inconsiderate of the thought and pain that goes into actually having an abortion cause the parents might know that they aren’t in a place to have a child or health conditions. Lost all respect for that guy with that response
Same👏🏾 Didn’t even have to say it
same. so disturbing.
Somebody's triggered
I agree
same
Tomas seems so sweet, you can just tell he’s a good dad ! 🥺🥲
Isaiah: “They’re feminists so they were happy we were having a girl” ??? “ I’m pro life so thank you all for not doing that” ??? this dude lost all my respect.
Same here
Why
dude's a fool
Right!
@@jonathan_8100 you cant be pro life and a feminist. Pro life means you want women to not have an abortion there fore not givingvthem a choice. Feminist means giving women choice. Isiah is saying that he is a feminist and pro life. I dont want to have an abortion but i'm nit going to force girls to not have one. Its not my body and i dont know what they are going thru. Hope that helps clear it up.
Isaiah:
“My families a feminist”🖐😌
“So yeah I’m pro life”
They can coincide
Can't you be both?
@@airwakkerre1861 no
@@raydelrey1234 Why not?
@@airwakkerre1861 because pro choice is not pro abortion. It allows women to choose what to do with their body. You can be pro choice and never want to do an abortion yourself. but don't restrict other women's rights because you your personal beliefs
I love how Ethan brought up that he couldn't see any toys in the background of Tomas but we can literally only see the wall behind Ethan. 🤣
Tashawn got me crying for 5 minutes lmao. dragged his baby with a dipper then dropped it
It felt like Isaiah was only pro life because he hated those who encouraged his wife/girl friend to abort. Instead, he should be thankful that he and his partner were ready and able to care for a child, because so many aren’t at such a young age.
Or he just doesn’t like the death of babies
@@Errupt what do you think dying means? Do you agree that it’s the permanent loss of consciousness?
@@wowthatscrazy5222 death is the end of life.
Yeah I think that’s it, but it just sucks that he feels the need to shame others and see himself as morally better than those who had to abort.
@@dhdh2918 exactly. He could’ve complimented them all for being great dads and left it at that but for some reason felt the need to disrespect others who couldn’t make the same choice.
This dude puts his child to watch naruto. A legend
Yes👏👏
Gotta teach them while they are young🤧
As soon as Tashawn said "doo doo diaper" i knew he was a teen dad
15:07" i'm telling you he likes buzz lightyear i wasn't lying"
IT MADE ME LAUGH LMAO POOR GUY😭😭😭
I love Jubilee so much like they're so diverse and actually listen to the audience
I love your profile! Lady gaga 4 life!!!
Yeah they listened!
Yup
@Magret and that's good for Dua, I'm happy for her. Also gaga and ari did win a grammy
@Magret if you're a troll, nobody thinks it's funny. if you're serious, you're messed up...the 'asian's don't deserve to be listened to' comment was just wrong in every way. this too, everyone has opinions and if you don't know what you're talking about don't comment at all (she did win a grammy lmao). hope you understand :D
I know that for pro-life people it's hard to know that there are people out there having abortions, but the other side is scary as well. When a woman is forced to give birth, she undergoes 9 months of vomiting, 9 MONTHS of pain in her stomach and the headaches. Pregnancy is not easy at all. When a woman is forced to give birth to a baby she does not want, that is torture by definition. And the chances of her resenting that baby after their born whether they turn out to be a good person or not is heightened. I'm not sharing this to convince anyone of anything, if you're pro-life by all means. I'm just trying to offer the mother's perspective. Continue with your political opinions as you will.
Yep
Majority of abortions are from people who consented to sex and are aborting for elective reasons. Have common sense and maybe don't do something if you are not okay with the natural very possible outcomes. Their life shouldn't be your choice because you couldn't control your own urges. With all the knowledge and bc options, there is no excuse.
so ur saying ur not trying to convince anyone, but then u go on to say 'continue with ur political opinions as u will'. I'm pretty sure I'd rather have my mother dislike me, then be dead.
@@kva5751 so you only support abortion if rape was involved? How about females who are raped by family members? There’s a high chance the baby can come out deformed and with physical problems. Not to mention the low chances of people actually adopting babies and kids with deformities and disabilities. So are you still pro-life under those circumstances too?
@@stephaniebrown3925 so you only support abortion if rape was involved? How about females who are raped by family members? There’s a high chance the baby can come out deformed and with physical problems. Not to mention the low chances of people actually adopting babies and kids with deformities and disabilities. So are you still pro-life under those circumstances too?
"I can't see anybody doing that, it's such a horrible thing"
Damn then don't watch
It looked like time was running out and maybe he couldn't think of a tactful way to finish his thought 🤷🏾♀️
"my mom's side is feminist" 🤗
"how dare women get to decide what to do with their lives and bodies" 😡
@@cookieblast1499 LITERALLY 👏👏 my thoughts exactly
@@cookieblast1499 feminism means u get excited when ur son is having a daughter apparently
@@kalanibw bruh ikr like what...
when tashawn said they prolly voted me out bc i dropped pikachu and didn't have enough space 😂😭
I knew Darren wasn’t lying when he said he lives with his girlfriend and saw the perfume in the background
and the PINK bag at the back
I knew he wasn't lying because he had perfume, lotions, and a PINK bag lmao. I'm surprised none of them noticed
Darren is not actually a teen dad. His girlfriend Hailey was on a show called unexpected and she had a daughter named Kinsley with her boyfriend at the time Matthew. When Darren and her girlfriend broke up he took the baby’s name out his bio and Hailey his girlfriend said that he would get mad if she was letting kinsley (the daughter) go see her real dad
@@kyathomas7733 So they broke up after he was in this show?
@@kyathomas7733 nah we arent broken up 😂
not Isaiah saying that getting an abortion is a horrible mistake like respect women's right to choose!
exactly he really had to throw that in there😐
@@tink6225 fr and ig it woulda been okay if it somehow related to his experience w his gf but it was just so random.
no
Respect a kids life. I am isaiah btw
@@galaxevibez7428 life begins at birth 👍🏾
Jubilee is the only RUclips channel I watch without looking at the comments to avoid spoilers but when he said he was pro life.... I flew here. 😂
Minute? Please
@@almondbyalba it's isaiah 8:55
@@almondbyalba 8:56
Haha, same hereee 😂
same. like. i was rooting for him until that
Bro, I was like why does Ethan look so familiar, then I heard his story and realized I saw him before then I realized that he was from a TV show called Unexpected that's about teens who are pregnant, so I knew he was a real teen parent.
Yessss me tooo!!😂😂 I Thought I was the only one.
I also watch that show on tlc!!! His girlfriend’s name is myrka and her mother’s name is liliana!
What’s funny is the fact that he was able to be on this when the first episode of season 4 aired in December 2020.
Darren too!
Darren is also from the show. He is not the baby’s biological father but still is a “teen dad” in the sense that he’s raising the little girl with the mom from Unexpected
Honestly I'm so relieved to be gay when I think about the fact that I have no chance to accidentally produce life
Same 😂😂😂
Honestly STIs seem like nothing when straight people can accidentally bring another person into this mess
Same
Well u can be pregnant with a trans man
Sameee lmao
Well there have been cases where guys are born with uterus in there butts and don’t find out until there pregnant is rare though like couple hundred cases a year.
How could they vote out Tashawn when he dropped the "baby"?
That's the most dad's thing you could do
* Spoiler *
Out of all people, a teen dad like Isaiah should understand why people are pro choice... /:
He can understand without agreeing if he wants to
@@poocrayon4588 facts
@@poocrayon4588 ok but he don’t have to make others feel bad for doing it
Just cause you made a mistake doesn’t mean the baby should die
@@precious1918 if you can’t take care of a child you shouldn’t have to
I love Tashawn so much idek why he’s just so likeable
He's pretty famous on tiktok and intsa
"I'm pro life so thank you for not making that choice"
But it's not the mans choice though
I mean.. it kinda is? They're the child's dad, they both made that baby and they should both have a say. The only reason they shouldn't is if the child is conceived in rape
@@Hannah-vc8sl Both mom and dad should have a choice, but it's not really the dad's choice. It's the mom's body so the final decision is hers, even if the dad doesn't agree.
@@_aasthasingh idk I disagree with you because it takes two people to make a life. Both of them fucked up so both of them have 50% in that decision. Unless it is rape or if mothers health is in danger. Like I am sorry and I agree it is her body but both of them fucked up and they both need to make a decision
@@nikolatheme5572 it take two people to make a life it makes one to give birth learn the difference
@@mojojojo8631 but that life is still a child and the father of the child has right to be part of that decision
I can't imagine myself to be a teen dad, I feel like it's too early.
I swear to god why do I see you everywhere? Orangepeanut, Squalay, and now here?? Are you my FBI agent?
same but salute to the teen parents though;)
I'm almost 22 and I feel its too early lmao
I’m 12 and if I was a boy then I would want to be one.
"Thank you all for not making that choice" well... uh... none of them were pregnant so it's not really possible for them to have made that choice anyway. Also, shaming people who've gotten an abortion? Not cool
Except he didn't shame anyone
Wish you thought the same for the unborn who had to die. Killing should be shamed when there are pro choice people proud of it.
ethan really is a teen dad hes on unexpected his bby momma is gorgeous 😍
true when i saw him i gasped i knew smtn that they didn't
so is darren! that girl is his step daughter! hailey is kinsleys mom and when i saw kins, i was so shocked!
@@maddilynn6169 i thought that was weird? like he’s not really a teen dad.
@@maddilynn6169 I knew it I was so confused... I was like wait that's Haileys baby but that's not her real dad lol
@@ashleynicole7352 well if he’s raising a child as a teen, he’s a teen dad.
“What was your guys’ parents’ reaction?”
Everyone: * sharp inhale *
Good to see some dads who stayed
😂😂🤭Damn...
88% of all familial break up and divorce is initiated by women. Its moms who are having trouble staying
My comment is deleted for pointing out that its statistically much more likely that women will break up families - yet this comment implying men leave more often is allowed by Jubilee because the bigot who wrote the original comment complained. Your bias is showing Jubilee
@@poocrayon4588 ye that’s strange . But with my comment I meant that from personal experience and other people that I know ‘s experiences fathers are more likely to leave their children and not do co parenting or something . Women are just more likely to initiate divorce but they seem to be more likely to not just be absent in their children’s lives
@@sophiea831 Thru initiating divorce and utilizing unfair laws women often make the choice to cut the father out of the childrens lives as much as is practical and makes their lives easier when they get sick of the father. That is just as bad as just leaving the kids. And even if its co parenting - women are still making the choice to make the father a half time at best parent and possibly a co parent with another step father, usually after promising (and probably believing) they would do otherwise to said father - and there doing it statistically far far more often than men are - which is obviously and unfair situation for men to enter into.
Yeah In the past and now there are deadbeat dads who just skip out on their kids cause they cant be bothered - but once given the choice women have acted far more often in the ways I said above than men. So if some men dont value their own children, its also true that many women dont value their childrens relationship with their father or respect the fathers relationship with the children - and by not doing so they also dont value their childrens emotional well being but only see their children as accessories and something they possess which must fit around their own selfish wishes.
I just want to know why TaShawn was screaming the whole time 💀😂
i was connecting with isaiah until he said he was pro life. no matter what the circumstances, a woman should have access to abortion.
agreed
pro-life means you don't support abortions you are pro-choice if you think women have the right to have abortions
stop the cap Karen
So Isaiah loves that his girlfriend’s family are feminists, yet doesn’t support women having a choice? 😬 Prolife cannot go hand in hand with feminist lmao.
Facts!!!
YESS say it louderrr
Why not? Why must you dictate how someone thinks? And can you not think differently but still love and support that person?
being a feminist doesn’t always mean you’re pro choice
bahahaha the callout
Tashawn just yelled at us the whole time😭
I saw Sean’s chair and was like “if he was a teen dad, he’d probably spend that money on toys or dippers not a gaming chair.” 😂 voted off first round in my eyes
i don’t care that isaiah is pro-life but why’d he thank the others for not having an abortion like they did it for him lmfao
They looked fine with it. u got a problem??
What's your pfp from?
@Queen queen do you know his instagram?
POV: You came here after you saw that Isaiah is pro life
Yup
Exactly why I’m here 💀
So? Lmao
After he said his mom was a feminist, like...?
Why do men
protect thomas at all cost! he seems so nice
I knew Darren was a dad because he said he lived with his girlfriend and you can see all the girl products in the back 😂
Yeah because his gf was on tlc and so was Ethan
Right right I noticed that as well 😆
Yeah I call hacks for that because the baby isn't his biologically. It's Matthew's baby.
THANK YOUUUU!!! The first thing I noticed when Darren started talking was the Victoria secretes perfumes and the bag
I knew it was either Darren or Sean. When they were talking about their children, I think those two were the only one's that didn't smile. Small things like that are big indicators.
This man is talking bout being a feminist and then goes and says abortion is horrible. That doesn't add up
You can be for women and pro life. Just because one thinks a baby has the right to live doesn’t mean one can’t be a feminist as well.
@@ebonynorwood3753 how can they be feminist and be aganist women doing what they want with their health and bodies as well as men can
@@ebonynorwood3753 You can believe a baby has a right to live but it shouldn't overpower the actual fully formed human's right to bodily autonomy . No one finds abortion a fun sexy exciting concept but it's a modern reality rather than destroying women's and children's lives
Being Feminist doesn't make you pro abortion. One can be pro life and still be feminist, like one can give women the right to choose what to do, but that doesn't mean one has to do it. I, a woman and a feminist am pro life for myself. I'm not saying no one should get abortion, people can do what they choose to do, but I personally would not like to get an abortion making me pro life regarding myself. I hope that makes sense.
@@katnisspotterholmes5206 But being pro life is taking away the option of what a woman wants to do with her body. Whether she’s not ready for a baby financially, she’s not ready for it mentally, or if she is a victim of rape/incest
I love how jubilee always get the opposite sides to get a long it’s really nice because whenever people in the real world don’t agree it’s just fighting
The dude that had to throw in being pro-life, like “Thank you everyone for making a choice that I am comfortable with, because that is really all that matters” like, for real?
someone being anti-murder actually made you uncomfortable? what gross kind of reality do you live in?
Tayshi you getting clowned for the rest of the day for dropping the pikachu😂😂
it made it so much better tho 😭😭
shizzlmac in the comments
@@papikilgore papikilgore here too
i cant even raise myself, i cant imagine raising another human being.
i was hoping isaiah would be the mole just bc he was just an A hole. i feel bad for tomas because the only reason he was voted off was because he had a speech delay which is just blatant ableism. ive been in similar situations as him for my speech issue and how isaiah was so willing to vote him off only for his speech issue pisses me off
How was he an asshole? You guys are sad. Let him have his opinion
@@lifeisshørt_420 Is it just an opinion when his literal stance is that no woman should have a choice? That's less of an opinion and more of a policy position with dire consequences because you want everyone to do what you did
@@sarahkashani6025 Have u ever thought maybe he has that opinion because he doesn’t like the idea of babies dying? He never said anything about women’s choices…
@@lifeisshørt_420 you do realise that most abortions happen early on and there are very few late term abortions, and in those cases it is because the quality of life or chance of it surviving is low
You can really tell these men love their children. It is so heartwarming.
Isaiah said he was pro life I was like “oh nawh we gotta go “
Why? What’s wrong w pro life?
So of what I seen in the comments pro-life is oppressing woman choices to do what with their body.
@@lifeisshørt_420 me personally I’m pro-choice because it’s the woman’s body so she should do what she wants to it, of course there’s the “dad wants the baby but the mom doesn’t” situation but I’m not gonna get into that
@@thejojoscompany3449 it’s not a women’s choice to murder a child lmfaoo
@@zoeyx654 but if you think about it, it’s not a child it is a fetus so yeetus the fetus
Edit:
A child is above the age of 3 since toddlers exist