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Great video! swapped over everything you mentioned in the video and the engine started first try this video came out at a perfect time for me thank you
Great video. I imagine swapping a 1,000cc TLR engine into an SV650 all the electronics, cluster, ecu and harness would need to be swapped as well? Thanks.
Perhaps you could make a video vlog about the take of weight of the flywheel and what is involved and what you should do. Seems very interesting to me.
Nice build, I just got a sv650s 2004 currently waiting on parts for suspension upgrade and the cams when I came across your videos. I'd like to know what needs to be done for the dl1000 TB swap. There isn't much info on that around, and the web is sometimes misleading.
You need adapter plates, some custom throttle cables. The TPS wires need reverse. black needs to go to red, and red goes to black. The DL injectors are also much larger so the tune is all in the negatives unless you use SV injectors which also require an adapter. I no longer own any of them.
Hello, maybe you've already repeated it a lot, but I've looked in the comments for something similar and I can't find it, do I need something special to mount a 650 03' 2Gen engine, to a 650 06'? I don't know if something changes, or I can mount it directly, both ARE FULL INJECTION, would you help me? By the way, you have spectacular videos👾😊
Hi I am rebuilding a First Gen how did you get the Stator back on I lined it up with the woodruff key but it won't go back on. ( I have two stators) it has little roller (sliders) and a couple keep moving out and stopping going on..........did you have that trouble............you just show it back on. Ta if you can help Terry
I have done the enjin swap exatly like you did but my bike dont want to start. It back fires. In dealer mode the tps is in the middle. What else can i look at. I
@@slatemytakeaway6400 i managed to fix the problem. In the end i just had to get new spark pluggs and it is starting first time every time. Thanks for your assistance. Your video is grait i looked over and over until everything was exactly like you did yours.
yes, the sfv/3rd gen engine will bolt right in however you wont be able to use the rear cylinder mounting points as the 3rd gen does not have those and the cylidner heads are not tapped like the 2nd gen heads are.
Im currently looking for a replacement engine for my 2007 SV650. The 2007 and 2008 engines are hard to find in my area. I can easily find 03-06 single spark plug engines and 18-21 engines fairly easily. Which would you recommend for the easiest swap and what is involved? Thanks for any help or insight. You seem to be the most knowledgrable person in all things SV!
i'd go for the 2009-2022 ( SFV or SV) because they are dual plug, The cams are bigger and cylinders are nikisil. Those are better motors than the 03-09 2nd gen motors in every way. A few things when using the SFV/3rd Gen engines in 2nd gen is the rear cylinder head frame mounts are not there. The connector for the crank position sensor is different but you could swap the stator from your 07 engine. The clutch set up is different so you would also need a matching clutch cable to go with the newer motor. The crank case vent comes from the clutch cover where on your 07 motor it has two vents. one from the front cylinder and the other from crankcase behind rear cylinder. I'm not sure but maybe you could just use the matching airbox from the newer SV which is where the breather tubes go. either way you go, you have some things to tackle. if you go with 03-06 motor; you need coils, harness, and ECU. overall a bit simpler.
Hi, I damaged the gen 1 engine and bought a used gen 2, installed it, unfortunately there is no spark on the plugs. After watching your video, I replaced the gear shift sensor and the neutral light came on, the engine tried to start, but the battery was too weak. The next day, when the battery was charged, it didn't even try to start and there was no spark on the plug :-( Maybe you have any idea what happened? PS. I also have one plug left, supposedly from the carburetor temperature sensor, and I don't know where to plug it in or whether it should be plugged in at all because I don't remember.
So it's a 1st gen SV with a 2nd gen motor? There is no Carb Temp Sensor. Is the plug coming from the carb? It's probably TPS then and doesn't need plugged in on 1st gens for them to run. Are you using the 1st gen Stator? Double check all your connections.
@@LWTRACER Thank you for your fast answer So it's a 1st gen SV with a 2nd gen motor? correct Is the plug coming from the carb? No, it is from instalation Are you using the 1st gen Stator? no, I left 2nd gen
Hello. I want to use SV650 Engine for a Custom Cruiser project, the problem is that the front cylinder in this engines is kind of tilted forwards, Can I tilt the whole engine a little bit backwards to compensate and get a perfect vertical V? what you think? will it damage the engine? Regards
@@LWTRACER yes sv650 is renowned for front cylinder oil starvation from being tilted back to far, and obviously is mist common when you do wheelies, which is why you shouldn't do wheelies on a sv650
you'll need 1st gen (99-02) flywheel, stator, and intake boots on the 04 engine. If you want coolant temp, then you'll have to swap sensors on the thermostats. You may also have to remove the oil cooler on the 04 engine as most 1st gen exhaust systems will hit the oil cooler. To remove the oil cooler you'll need to plug the oil line holes with m14x1.5 drain plugs and remove the allenkey'd bolt behind the oil filter. Some pair valve block off plates would clean it up since you don't need those either.
So i have 2 motors. 02 sv frame. 02 engine has rod knock. The 04 engine has super low compression like 10 psi. But has not spun bearings,Can i put the 02 jugs + heads pistons on 04
I have a first-generation bike can I use a 2nd generation motor and the second generation wiring harnessI'd like to keep the throttle bodies if possible but if there's a clearance issue I don't know what I should do
I wouldn't bother trying to convert a 1st gen into fuel injection. You can use the 2nd gen motor, change flywheel, stator and intake boots. You may also have to remove oil cooler depending on your exhaust.
How about plated cylinders vs iron lined ones? 2009 Gladius started using plated SCEM cylinders. AFAIK Also removing the secondary throttle plates. Opinion?
@@LWTRACER get a much better heat transfer through nikasil.. & longer ring life.. bet its all been a long path of discovery.. have you ever looked at the DL chassis vs the gen2 SV.. full box twin spar gotta be stiffer.. been trying to get one to weigh.. our pro twins class rules are different here in NZ, not as free other than fairings.. no fork changes, have to "appear" same as stock 🤧.. lovin yer channel.. retiring from 1000 s, retirement age for a slower fun class 😷.. cheers from NZ get the posts going again.. just video stream your racing if nothing else.. no editing needed 👌
It goes right in. 3 things to consider. 1: The oil cooler of the 2007 may get in the way of the 2020 exhaust. 2: the crank case venting on 07 is different from 2020. 07 has 2 tubes from left side of motor. 2020 has larger tube from clutch cover. 3. connector from stator is different.
He man , like your video s they are top follow all of them , i race Sv bike s like you on a local club , question : what airfilter do you Guy s use on your bikes , i have a stock motor and an aftermarket acrapovic full exhaust , and did you ever put a slipperclutch on your Sv ?
i personally do not run air filters. If the bike has an airbox, the stock one is used. I have used slipper clutches but this year I will be using stock clutch.
Why not? Generation of the motor doesn't really matter a whole lot after the motors have been modified. BUT 1st gen has stronger cases and stronger rods.
The easy thing to do is just remove the tubes and keep the sensor plugged in. What I do is plug the tube holes on top of the heads and use a 100ohm 1/2w resistor on the harness end to delete the sensor and trick the ECU. This motor had giant aluminum plates blocking off the pair on the cylinder heads. It still had the sensor plugged into the harness with no tubes going into sensor.
Do you know about the possibilities of using a second gen top end on a first gen I broke the rear exhaust bolt and stripped the rear intake manifold bolts on the first gen so I'm trying to put my second gen cylinder heads on because they're very similar but the chain tensioners are different the first gen is 6lb-ft of torque and the second gen is 25.5lb-ft of torque I installed it based on the second gen specs because I was using the second gen tensioners and the engine wouldn't turn properly
@@joshsterling6950 Cam chain tensioners? I'm not sure if I understand what you mean about torque on the cam chain tensioners. 6ft lb would just be the two M6 bolts that hold it on the end. 25ft will snap those bolts.
@@LWTRACER yes the cam chain tensioner bolt, I'm talking about the middle bolt that actually creates the tension on the cam chain i have the service manual for both a first and second gen and for the second gen motor it says 25 foot pounds of pressure for that bolt
Let me try explain more clearly. I'm using my second gen cylinder head on my first gen motor and the cam chain tensioners are different so I have to use the second gen tensioner and the manual for second gen says that bolt needs 25lb-ft of pressure for the right amount of tension so I did that and it crushed the washer out and around the bolt head and the engine wouldnt turn fully when adjusting for top dead center. At first I thought maybe my torque wrench broke and I torqued it too tight but then I check the first gen manual to see if it was different and the manual said for a first gen tensioner it needs 6lb-ft for the right amount of tension
Great video! swapped over everything you mentioned in the video and the engine started first try this video came out at a perfect time for me thank you
Glad the video could help.
Isit possible to use a gen 1 650 head and piston on a gen 2, with gen 2 head cover
Great video. I imagine swapping a 1,000cc TLR engine into an SV650 all the electronics, cluster, ecu and harness would need to be swapped as well? Thanks.
yup
That would be insane! I want to build one!
What about doing thia but the other way around, with the 2nd gen motor going to a 1st gen bike
Great vid.... Do you think a 650 engine can be fitted in a TL 1000s frame??
Perhaps you could make a video vlog about the take of weight of the flywheel and what is involved and what you should do.
Seems very interesting to me.
Some magnets are covered, some are open. Spears racing can machine them down or remove them for a total loss system.
Nice build, I just got a sv650s 2004 currently waiting on parts for suspension upgrade and the cams when I came across your videos.
I'd like to know what needs to be done for the dl1000 TB swap.
There isn't much info on that around, and the web is sometimes misleading.
You need adapter plates, some custom throttle cables.
The TPS wires need reverse. black needs to go to red, and red goes to black.
The DL injectors are also much larger so the tune is all in the negatives unless you use SV injectors which also require an adapter.
I no longer own any of them.
Hello, maybe you've already repeated it a lot, but I've looked in the comments for something similar and I can't find it, do I need something special to mount a 650 03' 2Gen engine, to a 650 06'? I don't know if something changes, or I can mount it directly, both ARE FULL INJECTION, would you help me? By the way, you have spectacular videos👾😊
Those engines are identical.
Will the 02 jugs +heads + pistons work on the 04. 02 has bad bottom 04 has bad top no compression
Yes. 02 top end will bolt to the 04 bottom end no problem.
Hi I am rebuilding a First Gen how did you get the Stator back on I lined it up with the woodruff key but it won't go back on. ( I have two stators) it has little roller (sliders) and a couple keep moving out and stopping going on..........did you have that trouble............you just show it back on. Ta if you can help Terry
Who does all your tuning? I just found your videos and have so many questions. I'm trying to build a mild race engine 80+ WHP
I have done the enjin swap exatly like you did but my bike dont want to start. It back fires. In dealer mode the tps is in the middle. What else can i look at. I
Have you changed flywheel/ pick up coil
@@slatemytakeaway6400 i managed to fix the problem. In the end i just had to get new spark pluggs and it is starting first time every time. Thanks for your assistance. Your video is grait i looked over and over until everything was exactly like you did yours.
Can you put cylinder piston head from a 1000 sv to the 650 engine
no
how to fix oil starvation?
keep the front wheel on the ground. :)
Thanks for the vids!
And what was the reason for the swap again? is 1st gen better than 2nd gen? I already have a 1st gen sv anything i can upgrade to make it better?
Are the current gen motor mounts close enough to swap in a second gen frame?
yes, the sfv/3rd gen engine will bolt right in however you wont be able to use the rear cylinder mounting points as the 3rd gen does not have those and the cylidner heads are not tapped like the 2nd gen heads are.
Where can I get the Dalmatian socks?
Im currently looking for a replacement engine for my 2007 SV650. The 2007 and 2008 engines are hard to find in my area. I can easily find 03-06 single spark plug engines and 18-21 engines fairly easily. Which would you recommend for the easiest swap and what is involved?
Thanks for any help or insight. You seem to be the most knowledgrable person in all things SV!
i'd go for the 2009-2022 ( SFV or SV) because they are dual plug, The cams are bigger and cylinders are nikisil. Those are better motors than the 03-09 2nd gen motors in every way.
A few things when using the SFV/3rd Gen engines in 2nd gen is the rear cylinder head frame mounts are not there.
The connector for the crank position sensor is different but you could swap the stator from your 07 engine.
The clutch set up is different so you would also need a matching clutch cable to go with the newer motor.
The crank case vent comes from the clutch cover where on your 07 motor it has two vents. one from the front cylinder and the other from crankcase behind rear cylinder. I'm not sure but maybe you could just use the matching airbox from the newer SV which is where the breather tubes go.
either way you go, you have some things to tackle. if you go with 03-06 motor; you need coils, harness, and ECU. overall a bit simpler.
Hi, I damaged the gen 1 engine and bought a used gen 2, installed it, unfortunately there is no spark on the plugs.
After watching your video, I replaced the gear shift sensor and the neutral light came on, the engine tried to start, but the battery was too weak. The next day, when the battery was charged, it didn't even try to start and there was no spark on the plug :-(
Maybe you have any idea what happened?
PS. I also have one plug left, supposedly from the carburetor temperature sensor, and I don't know where to plug it in or whether it should be plugged in at all because I don't remember.
So it's a 1st gen SV with a 2nd gen motor?
There is no Carb Temp Sensor. Is the plug coming from the carb? It's probably TPS then and doesn't need plugged in on 1st gens for them to run.
Are you using the 1st gen Stator?
Double check all your connections.
@@LWTRACER
Thank you for your fast answer
So it's a 1st gen SV with a 2nd gen motor? correct
Is the plug coming from the carb? No, it is from instalation
Are you using the 1st gen Stator? no, I left 2nd gen
@@malinazx12r You have to use the 1st gen stator and flywheel.
@@LWTRACER ok. Do do you think it will be enough. I will, mamy thanks.
Everything working, ones more many thanks for your help, my son is very hapy
I have a 2006 Suzuki sv650 will this swap work with an 04 motor
06 and 04 have the same engine
what happens about the oil cooler /?
Nothing with oil cooler, It's not on 1st gen engines, nothing to worry about.
Any idea if the newer motors from the gladius or 3rd/4th gen? motor to 2g?
gladius and 3rd gen fit into 2g.
what is 4th gen?
Hello. I want to use SV650 Engine for a Custom Cruiser project, the problem is that the front cylinder in this engines is kind of tilted forwards, Can I tilt the whole engine a little bit backwards to compensate and get a perfect vertical V? what you think? will it damage the engine? Regards
It'll most likely mess with the oil pick up.
it will result in oil starvation to th front cylinder buddy
@@LWTRACER yes sv650 is renowned for front cylinder oil starvation from being tilted back to far, and obviously is mist common when you do wheelies, which is why you shouldn't do wheelies on a sv650
can this be done with a 1000 into a first gen
nope
I got the reverse, 02 frame with 04 engine ..What do i swap?
you'll need 1st gen (99-02) flywheel, stator, and intake boots on the 04 engine.
If you want coolant temp, then you'll have to swap sensors on the thermostats.
You may also have to remove the oil cooler on the 04 engine as most 1st gen exhaust systems will hit the oil cooler. To remove the oil cooler you'll need to plug the oil line holes with m14x1.5 drain plugs and remove the allenkey'd bolt behind the oil filter.
Some pair valve block off plates would clean it up since you don't need those either.
So i have 2 motors. 02 sv frame. 02 engine has rod knock. The 04 engine has super low compression like 10 psi. But has not spun bearings,Can i put the 02 jugs + heads pistons on 04
cam shafts are different as well. you might loose/win power, right?
yes, but both motors were modded.
I have a first-generation bike can I use a 2nd generation motor and the second generation wiring harnessI'd like to keep the throttle bodies if possible but if there's a clearance issue I don't know what I should do
I wouldn't bother trying to convert a 1st gen into fuel injection. You can use the 2nd gen motor, change flywheel, stator and intake boots. You may also have to remove oil cooler depending on your exhaust.
Why remove the oil cooler? More things to fail? How about the 3rd gen oil cooler?
Besides the things you listed... does the rest hook up easily?
yup
Bro que tamaño es la leva del cloch me ayudarías la original
Hi LWT, What do you use for hoses on your Gladius
Stock
How about the single spark plug vs the dual head spark plugs? Which is better? I went to GSXR stick coils and plugged the side spark plug.
I don't like how the dual plug heads burn up the piston/rings on that side of the cylinder.
How about plated cylinders vs iron lined ones? 2009 Gladius started using plated SCEM cylinders. AFAIK Also removing the secondary throttle plates. Opinion?
@@daveyt4802 I use the Gladius/3rd gen cylinders if possible. the Nikisil from factory is nice. They're much lighter as well.
I used a old set of iron cylinders. Only $60 each to bore out. $600 for the plated ones. (both)
@@LWTRACER get a much better heat transfer through nikasil.. & longer ring life.. bet its all been a long path of discovery.. have you ever looked at the DL chassis vs the gen2 SV.. full box twin spar gotta be stiffer.. been trying to get one to weigh.. our pro twins class rules are different here in NZ, not as free other than fairings.. no fork changes, have to "appear" same as stock 🤧.. lovin yer channel.. retiring from 1000 s, retirement age for a slower fun class 😷.. cheers from NZ get the posts going again.. just video stream your racing if nothing else.. no editing needed 👌
Nice video any tips on swapping a 2007 dual plug motor into a 2020?
It goes right in.
3 things to consider.
1: The oil cooler of the 2007 may get in the way of the 2020 exhaust.
2: the crank case venting on 07 is different from 2020. 07 has 2 tubes from left side of motor. 2020 has larger tube from clutch cover.
3. connector from stator is different.
@@LWTRACER do you have time to work on one for me I’m in nj
@@barringtonsharpe2402 I do not. I can't even walk right now after an injury a couple months ago. Shattered my heels.
He man , like your video s they are top follow all of them , i race Sv bike s like you on a local club , question : what airfilter do you Guy s use on your bikes , i have a stock motor and an aftermarket acrapovic full exhaust , and did you ever put a slipperclutch on your Sv ?
i personally do not run air filters.
If the bike has an airbox, the stock one is used.
I have used slipper clutches but this year I will be using stock clutch.
LWT RACER , oké thanks man , i am used to ride with a slipperclutch so im gonna put one in there , do you now the best brand for the Sv ?
LWT RACER btw are you Guy s still on lockdone , im from Belgium and here iTS still restricted , sucks !
@@taznivolare1896 Any of the brands are fine as long as you can get the "RR" version that has steel plates on the hub and pressure plate.
Can I swap an 03 into a 08?
not unless you either convert the 08 to be single plug harness or put dual plug heads on the 03 motor.
But why would you swap out a second GEN for a first GEN?
Why not?
Generation of the motor doesn't really matter a whole lot after the motors have been modified.
BUT
1st gen has stronger cases and stronger rods.
I like the way this guy thinks. LOL
What do you do for the pair valve delete on the gen 2? I think that's what you called it
The easy thing to do is just remove the tubes and keep the sensor plugged in.
What I do is plug the tube holes on top of the heads and use a 100ohm 1/2w resistor on the harness end to delete the sensor and trick the ECU.
This motor had giant aluminum plates blocking off the pair on the cylinder heads. It still had the sensor plugged into the harness with no tubes going into sensor.
Do you know about the possibilities of using a second gen top end on a first gen
I broke the rear exhaust bolt and stripped the rear intake manifold bolts on the first gen so I'm trying to put my second gen cylinder heads on because they're very similar but the chain tensioners are different the first gen is 6lb-ft of torque and the second gen is 25.5lb-ft of torque
I installed it based on the second gen specs because I was using the second gen tensioners and the engine wouldn't turn properly
@@joshsterling6950 Cam chain tensioners?
I'm not sure if I understand what you mean about torque on the cam chain tensioners. 6ft lb would just be the two M6 bolts that hold it on the end. 25ft will snap those bolts.
@@LWTRACER yes the cam chain tensioner bolt, I'm talking about the middle bolt that actually creates the tension on the cam chain i have the service manual for both a first and second gen and for the second gen motor it says 25 foot pounds of pressure for that bolt
Let me try explain more clearly. I'm using my second gen cylinder head on my first gen motor and the cam chain tensioners are different so I have to use the second gen tensioner and the manual for second gen says that bolt needs 25lb-ft of pressure for the right amount of tension so I did that and it crushed the washer out and around the bolt head and the engine wouldnt turn fully when adjusting for top dead center. At first I thought maybe my torque wrench broke and I torqued it too tight but then I check the first gen manual to see if it was different and the manual said for a first gen tensioner it needs 6lb-ft for the right amount of tension
What year model is the gen 1 motor
01 or 02. theyre all basically the same except color.
What is the point of this