Aprilia Tuareg UNCORKED @ 1000 km | Thoughts & Feelings So Far...
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2023
- The Aprilia Tuareg 660 gets it's first service after 1000km and can now be taken over 6000rpm.
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I'm told that the update to 4.08 is so that they can immobilise your bike if you're doing 52 in a 50 in northern Germany 😀
Haha! More feasible would be if you’re doing over 35 on a slight bend!
“We have ways of making you walk.”
Updates on a motorbike? No thanks that's not why we ride .
You say that, but it actually added extra cruise control functionality and improved stability of the system. That helps me with the riding side! But i see your point. They should be simple machines, not NASA level computer trickery.
I've owned a few Ducati's and never had any major issues. My mate had an Aprilia Capanord that he done many 10's of thousands of miles on, and again no issues. There was a bike touring company here in NZ that used Capanords and they no trouble with them either. I think Italian bikes have been reliable for at least the past 20 years, but dogma hangs around for so long. I'm planning to sell my R1200GS and get a Tuareg this year because I want something lighter and fun.
It’s always reassuring to hear such happy tales! So far i can only lean into your decision. Loving the bike.
Happy to learn that you have finally found a trustful dealership. Keep on riding!
Time will tell if they’re trustworthy. TBH i don’t intend to build a long term buddy-buddy relationship with them. As soon as i can, I’ll be servicing the bike myself.
Customer service??!!?? Wth is that? I tried putting my foot down and the dealers(2 bmw dealers)😢 just shrugged and told me to piss off if I didn't like it. They are so bad I am strongly considering selling my motorcycle so I don't have to deal with them anymore. Love the honesty of the mechanic you talked to!
I say do it mate. I’m a firm believer in voting with your feet. If somebody pisses me off, they never get any of my money again! I ‚burned‘ a Honda dealer from my list, after i ordered 1 too many bolts for a chain swap. They said i had to take the bolt because they couldn’t send it back. At 7€ a bolt i just said to him that „i have to do no such thing. In fact i don’t have to take any of them, so you can shove all 7 bolts up your exhaust and I’ll not be back ever again!„ These companies don’t deserve to take our money with one hand and give us the w@nker sign with the other!
Bought my Tuareg back in March 23. I do most of my own maintenance but elected to let the dealer wallet-flush me to the tune of $500+ at around 800mi. When new I’d found a couple of rather loose sounding rear spokes and asked them to please tighten them. The service mangler said that would cost me $50.00 extra - in the end they didn’t charge me or tighten the spokes even though it should have been done at the pre-delivery check- BTW the maintenance/warranty book had never been filled out or stamped or signed off by anyone… they couldn’t even find “official” stamp. Having seen the decreasing level of service while working at a Mercedes Benz dealer for almost 40yrs my local dealer’s lackluster attitude didn’t surprise me. I chalk it up to the motorcycle industry’s failure to attract new customers. Now to go out and get my wrenches and sockets out…
It’s a sad and disappointing state of affairs mate. Makes me mad to think that they care very little about repeat custom or customer satisfaction. That’s how an industry should really be able to starve itself to death.
***Andy, I couldn’t agree more***
Customer Service has gone to shit worldwide. It’s just the same here in Australia. I’ve experienced a nightmare of interactions with a high profile Aprilia dealer and an equally regarded BMW dealer in the past. I’m talking months of delays and lies with Aprilia and being bent over and royally screwed with BMW…$$$.
The dealer was correct with his version of what the manufacturer will cover and what the dealer in reality has to spend on any warranty or recall work. I worked in a Suzuki dealership for a period of time and had to deal with these issues. For example a fuel leak recall took 1 and a half hours to perform (correctly) but Suzuki policy was that the time required is half an hour and that’s all they’d cover and at a reduced hourly rate. It’s always a loss for the dealer but they have to do it or bit the hand that feeds you. I was also surprised by the minuscule profit margin that exists on new bikes. That’s also controlled by the manufacturers. Dealers only avenue for a decent profit margin is in their Parts and Service work.
I could go on for ages if I continue to open this can of worms.
I’m glad you’re enjoying the Aprilia…fingers crossed that all the hassles are behind you.
Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺.
That’s very interesting to hear Peter. It’s something that I’ve been thinking about more and more lately. In your opinion, with your experience in mind, what could be done to fix the situation? Is it a typical dictatorship situation, whereby the dealerships are scared to upset the mighty manufacturers? Surely without the dealerships, the manufacturers would be royally screwed? No infrastructure, no mechanics, no parts or accessory sales etc… So couldn’t the dealerships actually refuse the terms and tell the manufacturers to take a flying leap? Granted its a threat of mutually assured destruction, but if nothing changes then nothing will change. The way it is, everybody is hurt. Brand faith is down. Customer service is down. Dealership morale is down. The only people really winning are probably the finance companies!!
Hey Andy,
Manufacturers can basically rule with an iron fist. Not long after I left the Suzuki dealership that I worked in, the representative from Suzuki visited the shop.
The dealership that I worked in was a one owner operation with about 5 staff covering various responsibilities. Other dealers were much larger and could afford the carry more stock on their floor. Therefore this also gave them more leeway to leverage a lower wholesale price from Suzuki. So where I worked had to pay the full wholesale price. Therefore the larger dealers had a pricing advantage straight away. They could discount but where I worked couldn’t afford to slice the price. As well as that situation, the dealer doesn’t own every new motorcycle outright. They get a financing deal from the manufacturer and have required monthly payment regardless of the amount of sales. So the manufacturers get their money even if the dealers don’t.
Anyway…back to the visit from the Suzuki representative…he came unannounced, spoke with the owner and said that Suzuki wanted complete payment for all the floor stock. He didn’t have that much available finance to cover such an amount in the timeframe demanded. Therefore Suzuki pulled the stock from the shop. Coincidentally a Suzuki sponsored racer wanted to open his own dealership not far from where I worked. And surprise, surprise his shop was opened and full of Suzukis.
There is no manufacturer loyalty to dealers…unless they’re selling copious amounts of bikes.
It’s a business and it has to make money. The problem for the purchaser or end user is that we’re buying motorcycles on an emotional basis not a practical one. If it was a practical basis no one would probably want one…too restrictive, impractical, dangerous and expensive. We buy bikes because we have a passion for them, a desire we want to fulfill and that’s what manufacturers rely upon. The old saying “What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday” is true. I’ve seen it over and over again.
I love motorcycles but I’d never own a dealership. There’s too many outside factors that dictate the bottom line.
We wouldn’t begin to talk about accessories that’s a whole other story.
Thanks for letting me up on my soapbox.
Cheers 👍
Gladly mate, i find all of what goes on behind the curtain fascinating. I’ve heard before that the dealerships are basically financing the bikes themselves. It’s crazy that bigger dealerships get better prices too. That must kill off the smaller (and IMO often better) dealerships before they even really get a chance to compete!
Totally agree on the passion front. I personally believe that the biggest issue of all… is us. If we stopped buying the bikes, everyone would stop and look up. But we keep buying them, despite skyrocketing costs, terrible service and awful warranty treatment. And don’t get me started on the whole „10 hp more than last years model“ nonsense! In the interest of sales and bottom line, we’ve completely lost sight of what biking is and was. It’s fast becoming a yuppie hobby and much like housing costs, the idiots with more money than sense are driving those of us lower down the ladder, completely out of the race. Oh dear, looks like i got on my soapbox too!
That was a great ride. I enjoyed it as much as you did.
She's a mighty little beast that bike, let's hope the positive story continues 🎉
I sincerely hope so!
thanks, Andy. Just what I needed after a busy weekend. Liked the video as always.
Thank you yourself! Always my pleasure!
hope youre gonna be very happy with your new bike! love the video love the channel ❤
Thanks very much GG! So far so very good! 👍🏻
Again an excellent and entertaining video. Thank you Andy
My pleasure JB. Cheers for watching!
Entertaining and informative vid as I'm off to test ride a Tuareg soon in the UK. Subscribed and looking forward to more vids. 👍
Good to see you back posting regular content.
Is really like for it to be even more regular!! Hopefully things will speed up now that the Norway tour is finished. Far too much 360° footage there! Just have to ‚hope‘ that work doesn’t interfere too much! 🤣
Looking good Andy, Can't wait for a few more adventures :)
More coming soon!
Good to see that you are enjoying your bike. Onward!
I am! Cheers!
Good to hear it's running good 😎👍
So far so good! 👍🏻👍🏻
Great to see your happy with your new bike Andy and finally a decent mob to service it , let’s hope you have many more hassle free miles of enjoyment in the future , love the content and keep it coming , cheers
Very happy, Adam. Cheers! Hassle free miles sounds perfect 🤩
Really enjoying the worts and all sharing of your ownership and dealership experience so far. Looking forward to more updates!
Cheers Andy. The Tuareg was faultless in its first tour outing 👍🏻 Naturally, videos are in the pipeline!
ANDY!!!!! Missed you man! Wooo! 15 mins of my morning going to good use!
Missed you too darling 😘 Hope the 15 mins didn’t disappoint!
Thanks Andy, enjoyed that intro of the Aprillia, and look forward to your adventures on it to see how it, and you, fair on the italian dream machine ! ATB !
Thanks very much Andy! Here’s to the Italian adventure Era! 🍻
Great update video. Found your channel just now 🙂 I rode the tuareg rescently and fell in love with the thing. Maybe It's my next midsize bike if I go as crazy as to sell my T7 next summer..
Thanks PB and welcome to the team! I can tell you that after 5000km, the bike is every bit as good as I’d hoped it would be!
That's a bloody nice looking bike, Andy. I'm glad you're enjoying it.
Thanks very much mate! The performance had me from the off, the looks are growing on me everyday! Like a lucky arranged marriage! 😂
Always entertaining Andy, good luck with the bike 👍
Thanks very much mate! 🍻
Glorious bike Andy, the roar is addicting!
Cheers! I totally agree! 💨👂
Bike sounds delicious, Andy!!
Cheers Craig. She’s a fine throaty filly!
That induction sound on the 660 engine is bellissimo 👌🏻
They have truly nailed what a rider wants to hear! And all without making the bike obnoxiously Tuono V4 loud. 👌🫶
Phew, thats a relief, great to see you happy with the new dealer.... Services are always a pricy concern. I have started taking out a service plan so that the service cost does not go up each year and pay in monthly intervals.... Great video look forward to the fitting of the sat nat 🤩🤩🤩
Very happy Nigel. I think I’d maybe be happier still if I’d bought the bike a couple of years older, a couple of grand cheaper, just after a valve check, and could service myself already! But needs must!
Thanks for taking us along ,best of luck with the new bike. Garmen still is your best option for nav. 🍻😎😎💨💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦
Thanks John, my pleasure! I’m afraid i have to agree on the garmin front. The lesser of all evils!
Look at you standing up off-road! Proper adventure bike rider now you know!
Great choice on the Garmin. Sometimes it's slow but great for the majority of the time!
Bike sounds delightful!
Look at me indeed! That’s what one single day of novice off road training will do for you! 😂 The Garmin is slow, isn’t it. I had hoped for a bit more speed from what should be a 500€ device!
Love the sound.
It is glorious! Hopefully in the next vids, with the MRA spoiler fitted, it’ll be even easier to hear!
Great video thanks Andy. I love my Tuareg. It’ll be interesting to see which ‘essential’ mods you do in comparison to mine. 👍🏼
Thanks mate! So far I’ve got a mount for the gps and pannier racks from Hepco & Becker. Barkbusters and heated grips at some point too. Otherwise, i think I’ll try and resist for at least the first year! 😅
I’ll be watching with interest. Just ordered an Altrider clutch extender (47% mechanical advantage-lighter with a greater friction zone apparently-we’ll see). Other mods-smaller black Puig screen, black wrap over the red & grey plastics, double-take mirrors, Leo Vince slip-on, 27mm titanium rear axle nut & pivot bolts, cool cover seat cover, quadlock wireless anti-vibration phone charger…& I’ve tried to keep the mods to a minimum. 😅. Quickshifter & heated grips would be nice but no money left.
I’ve got an MRA spoiler on the stock screen currently, hoping that by next year there might be a few more screen options for a summer/offroad screen. Stock is WAY too hot when it’s over 25°!! I do need to look into the pivot bolt situation. Not sure if i want to fit unbreakable bolts like you have, or keep a spare and make them quickly removable if they break. Good arguments for both options. Decisions decisions! I’m very happy that the quick shifter was already fitted to my bike. It’s really rather addictive!
loose bolts are a problem with Triumph too, but the service is top and they know of the problem and get it sorted quick, its great when you open the bike up properly for the first time 👍😊 hope to ride with you again some time
Ah i remember the loss bolts incident well! 😂 Hope so too mate 👍🏻
Nice to see ( hear ) you smile again. 🤪
It’s nice to feel (sound) like smiling on a bike again!
You will love the XT. Hopefully, you have found a dealer that will make your Aprilla ownership a better experience. Keep up the content and ride safe!
So far so good with the XT. It’s got its foibles, but I’m finding them out and working around them! I only really need the new dealership to keep me running until the warranty is over, then I’m on to looking after it myself!!
Nice one Andy keep em coming! 👍 I’m a motorcycle instructor in the UK and a looking at this as a possible. My other bike is a Harley sportster and currently use an MT07 school bike but am looking for something with some character and this is looking hopeful. Looking forward to seeing some more feedback soon thanks👍👊
Everytime Andy speaks with an Italian accent, I'm reminded of the "Dave Stohler" character from the film "Breaking Away"(1979); An American kid who was a cyclist and a *huge* fan of the Italian Team Cinzano.
Haven’t seen that one. Might have to do some research!
Nice job, 📽🎬
Thank you 🙌
watching this video realizing that tomorrow i will go the same moto italia in lübeck to buy a tuareg :D
Beautiful misty morning. I hope this weather will last a bit longer.
I hoped so too. Now everything is covered in snow and sludge! 😅
Great video Andy, and the Aprilia is a good looking bike. Your lucky to have 50/60 speed limits every where over here in blighty is going down to 20 mph 😡😡
Don’t be so sure. Must of Hamburg has been 20mph for years and everywhere up here where there’s a slight curve, it’s a 40 limit. TBH i hate riding in my home neighborhood the most of anywhere. I’m living in a real life bikers paradox!
Glad to see I am not the only person talking to my GPS 😅 And glad to hear that the Italian Princess bride is inconceivably happy (one of my favorite movies)
It’s a healthy sickness, talking to inanimate objects! Plus being nearly lost means that you’re still slightly on route! 😜
I got frustrated with the Garmin "Adventure Routing" and sold mine. Now using Gaia running on a hardened phone and it working MUCH better.
I’ve accepted that the adventurous routing is toss but i just need to take control of the routing myself! We’ll see how it goes in the new season.
The bike sounds great when you open it up. There was one right hander where you went horribly wide and if the car coming the other way had been a second ahead it could have been nasty. Ride safe.
It may have looked like that, but notice that i didn’t even bother to stop talking. I wasn’t surprised or worried by the car. I had more space than it looked like and i was already planning moving out of his way as I’d seen him coming. 👍🏻
I have the zumo xt. Good unit. Easy to use, durable. It does not have much battery life when unplugged.
I can only agree. It also does crazy things when it gets too hot.
Glad the AMC theme tune is back. 👍
It’ll never really go away!
My 1000km service was “only” 190€, in the Netherlands (which I would expect to be even more expensive than Germany). I’m glad I have a good dealership very close by. Probably wouldn’t have bought the bike otherwise.
I think i paid through the nose for the time he took to straighten up what should have been straight from the beginning. As the Germans say, buy cheap, buy twice.
My 1000 km service was 155 euro in RO.
Sounds great when you rev it over 6k. It looks to be very flickable too. I think it’s right up your street!
It really does! And amazingly, unlike many parallel twins that I’ve ridden, the power keeps coming too! The maneuverability is incredible, especially considering it’s physically so large. Love it!
oh yus guvnah, it's got a lovely little donk Geräusch
The dankest of donk Geräusche!
Sounds like that mechanic did a pretty good job! Bike sounds incredible!!
Yes and no. I think he did a quick job. The rear wheel was still crooked and the forks still weren’t quite straight. He also didn’t actually torque any of the fork bolts properly, as he quickly tightened them with an alan key in front of me. Of course as a pro you probably get a feel for what’s required, but at 130€ per hour i want F1 mechanic levels of precision!! 🤣
Bugger, that's a shame. After the hassle you've had over the last few years I was genuinely pleased as I'd thought you'd found a decent mechanic. They're like hens teeth these days! The guy that does the Yamabarr is good but services aren't much cheaper 😖 @@AndyManCam
@smokeybarr Yeah I’d hope so too. TBH I’m literally jumping through hoops to keep the warranty while it’s available. After that I’ll be taking care of business on my own as much as possible.
My first 1000km service 2 weeks ago was 126euro in Slovakia
Wow, that’s a fair bit cheaper than mine!! I may have to shop around for the next one!!
She sure looks like fun. I had a look around for luggage options and settled for Hepco And Becker purely because the when not on the bike the :rack' doesn't look like a load of scaffolding, the H&B is quite discreet.
She sure is fun! I’ve got the Hepco & Becker racks waiting to be fitted as we speak! 👍🏻
@@AndyManCam 🤣how about that. 🤟
😎
A much better bike than the Yam MT07, and more fun! I am sure you will trust hr in the corners and green laning when you can. Let me know what you think of the Garmin XT, I resisted paying the extra when my Zumo died, and just bought another - cos it fitted the base mount I had. Now I have one mount on each bike and can do country roads which ever bike!! Well done - will hope for more sunny weather and happy days!!
So far I’m definitely trusting it in the corners. Despite OEM rubber, I’ve got no chicken strips left, front or back, and have even had a toe touch the deck already. Tremendous machine! So far I’m mixed bag on the XT. The adventurous routing is a useless gimmick. It’s sent me through villages that had a bend in the high street, rather than along the twisty bypass right next to it. 🙈 The processor is still painfully slow, with far too much lag for a 500€ device. But the screen is great, if you have the time to plan your routes yourself, it’s a great tool so far. Gimmicky crap like ‚up ahead‘ or the fuel range settings are all surplus to actual requirement in my opinion.
Very late question but was recently viewing your trip to lake como and wanted to know what exhaust you had on your old versys twin. Sounded amazing 👍
It did sound pretty fruity, didn’t it!! It was a Hurric RAC-1
Thank goodness for those rare solid dealers.....
We’ll see how solid they are if i have any issues! 😅
@@AndyManCam fingers crossed 🤞
@davidstiglitz4341 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Sounds like you need to make a few "Sicilian friends" to get the full level of customer service.... if you know what I mean.;D
Looks amazing, sounds amazing. Looking forward to seeing how you get on with it.
Get myself into the ‚family‘ you mean? I’m still waiting for the offer i can’t refuse! 😂
Surely the gorgeous Lubeck is going to cost a touch more ? Lovely place…
It is a lovely place. Sadly i think that the knowledge that they’re the only half decent Aprilia dealer in a 2 hour radius puts the prices up too!
I was interested to hear your comments regarding loose bolts and fasteners. I’ve covered 2500 miles now on my Tuareg and I find I need to check around the bike after every 2-3 rides, even short distances! The fasteners around the screen and TFT are always working loose…other than that, what a fantastic machine!
Very strange. I definitely need to have another check very soon! Why though? The engine isn’t that vibey! Maybe they just saved on threadlock like they did with grease in the rear wheel and suspension linkages! (I’ve already repacked the rear axle and bearings full with fresh grease! I say fresh, there was barely any in there to start with!) But totally agree, the ride is worth a bit of extra fettling!
Hi Andy, yes I think you’re right about using some thread lock? Re the vibes , not that my wife has been on the back very much, she did comment that it felt the worse bike she’d been on for vibration …and I’ve had 3 Harleys!! So maybe that’s why it’s shaking things loose? It’s weird though because it doesn’t feel that bad from a rider standpoint? Anyway, it’s not stopping my enjoyment….ride safe and enjoy yours 👍
Weird. I guess all vibes are different though. Maybe the Harleys were ‚softer‘ more throbby. The Aprilia is way less numbing and tiring than my Honda CB1000R was. Despite having the typically more vibey parallel twin. I have found that the vibes seem to have smoothed with mileage, although i also think that maybe the grade and brand of fuel helps. Might be in my mind but i feel like the ethanol free 98 RON petrol runs another than E10 95 RON. That could well be psychosomatic though!
My OCD needs you to centre mount the Garmin on the rail across the top of the dash.
There are mounts you can put it up there with such as RAM.
Don’t panic, the proper mount was already on the way 👍🏻
Hi there ! Nice video !
What is the store that you bought the Garmin in discount ? Thanks
It was from the Louis outlet, here in Hamburg.
Afternoon, How are you getting on? Not prodding you for more videos, for a change, just checking in 💪
Battling on cheers Dave! Footage is piling up and the only thing missing is the time to turn it into proper videos! 😆
@@AndyManCam All in due time, life comes first. Always 💪
@daveburmy So very true. Though i always wish that the cool stuff could come first!! 😅
More loose bolts than my Royal Enfield Classic 500! At least it's been over by a pro now though and you've saved money over the alternatives. We all love a bit of surplus beer money don't we:)
That’s the best kind of beer money! 😂
Any Updates/ new videos on this beauty coming up?
Ace they sorted you out... is servicing more expensive in Germany? I can't remember what I paid for my 10,000km service, but I'm sure it was way lower than you mentioned.
Looking forward to catching your next adventure on it.
I’m hoping that either i misunderstood, or the guy in the office misunderstood. 400€ for an oil and filter change is VERY lumpy in my opinion. Possibly even enough to say sod it to the warranty. I don’t like to be strongarmed into spending money that is quite obviously just profiteering. I could do it myself with 60€ and 2 hours!
Lol 😂 Beeline. I’ve become ridiculously proficient at U turns.
Haha! It’s an unavoidable skill learning opportunity!
Love the Princess Bride reference. 👍🏻. Hahaha
We have to keep the film alive as long as possible! To the pain!
@@AndyManCam As You wish....
She’s a proper adv bike now. Been off road an all.
I know right! I even left the dirt in there, so that the GS riders at Starbucks can see it!!
Wunderbar!
Or should that be Bellissimo 👌
I think both are very much appropriate in this case!
Are you going to take the sticker off the frame, the one showing where you got the bike from 😅 it's good to find somewhere that cares.... nice bike 👍👍
Already removed! It was only on there still because i hadn’t had the time! 😅
I’ve seen one Tuareg in the US and it was parked in the service area of a Royal Enfield/Indian dealership. Judging by the condition of the bike, the owner was certainly “adventuring “ with it. I paid $450 to have my Interceptor serviced. Of course, that included a valve adjustment (that it ultimately didn’t need). I normally do my own servicing, but I thought I’d let the dealer do the valves. Apparently Enfields are more exotic than Aprilias. Who knew?
Apparently a valve check on a Tuareg will be around the 800 - 1100€ mark! 🤢 Think i might get myself some exotic tools and do it myself!!
I've got an 890 duke r and sod it I'm doing the servicing myself ( after the first service), these servicing costs are all getting very silly for an oil /filter change, air filter, plugs and general once over
Awww.......I miss the GPS rants! 🤣
I can pretty much guarantee that there will be some more! The XT is way better than my last Garmin, but it’s already shown a few eccentricities!
@@AndyManCam yay! 😂
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My GS was flashing up numerous fake fault messages. BMW finally said they had a software update to remedy the issue but it would cost me £50. Fortunately for me the service manager had a better grasp on customer service than BMW in general and said he would not charge me before I had to resort to pissing through their letterbox. Glad to see sat navs are still trying to give you a nervous breakdown😂
That was lucky. The cheek of BMW to try and charge for something that they obviously cocked up! It boils my piss!!
With the Garmin I’m trying a zen approach and accepting that when i don’t take full control, then I’m opening myself up to the random factor and all of the chaos that it may bring!
I've got a Tuono 660 Factory. Worth keeping an eye on the engine casing bolts... They like to unfasten themselves, leading to oil leaks. But don't overtighten! Gotta love Italian bikes... 😂
That’s very good to know! What speaks against putting a tiny dab of threadlock on them?
@@AndyManCam I'm sure that would sort it, just haven't got round to it yet... While you're tinkering have a look at the battery tray. Not sure if the Tuareg differs from the Tuono, but I noticed my battery sat in its own little swimming pool days after washing it... Drainage holes!!
Guess I’ll be ordering a new bottle of blue loctite then! Thanks for the battery tray tip. I’ll take a look next time I’m in there. It already needs a modification because they’ve got a pointless Aprilia tab covering the battery test button 🤦🏻♂️
@@AndyManCam Ha, they're quirky for sure. My 600 mile service was 228 GBP, so basically the same as yours I think. Par for the course it seems... Good luck, and enjoy!
Odd that somehow servicing in Holland is far cheaper! Might have to nip over for my 10,000km! 😂
Hi Andy, as a fellow KTM to Aprilia bikerist I have to take issue with the posters saying that Italian bikes are more expensive/more trouble* having moved from a KTM Duke to a Tuono v4 I found far less things seem to leak/fail/fall off/electronically warn of impending Armageddon and have had an almost flawless ownership experience with the Italian brand.
I have handily sidestepped the service/warranty issue by buying a slightly older bike and using AP workshops to do all the big work (if you don't mind crossing the channel to have your bike serviced I'd highly recommend them ;0) but the bikes (so far!)Seem to be far more fun when you are riding them and far less trouble when you're not!
I did very really buy a Toureg earlier in the year, and may yet still do so save for an odd helmet vibration (phnarr!! probably easily fixed with a screen deflector) and possibly the cheapest, nastiest fuel cap overseen on a motorcycle! I look forward to more of your two wheeled adventures/experiences/rants/drone chasing and hopefully no more bike dropping so that you can test the toureg vicariously for me.
Enjoy that bike sir :0)
* forgot to add that it would be flawless if the previous owner hadn't left me with a small amount of damage that was easily fixed, but i should have spotted before i bought the bike
I’m very happy to hear that Anthony, thanks. It reassures me that the choice of Aprilia over an 890 was probably the right one! I was actually happy to see that this bike had low miles but only 3/4 warranty left as I’ll be very happy to shift into self servicing asap. Plus the obvious depreciation from not being new meant that i could use that saving to pay for the first 2 services. Best of both worlds i reckon. Iron out the creases with warranty and still save money over buying brand new. 👍🏻
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10.000 km service was 205 euro, at the same place I bought the Tuareg (Netherlands). So I guess it does not have to be very expensive...
That is interesting. Perhaps I’ll shop around a bit then. I‘m not up for somebody taking advantage of me just because i didn’t ask!
Maintenance costs for bikes are nuts, I'm no mechanic but am operating on a 'give it a go' basis for maintenance, i ride relatively cheap older bikes and if anything goes seriously wrong I'll strip it for parts or get rid and move on to another one. I wouldn't be able to afford to ride a bike if i were paying someone else to do all the maintenance, I heard a story recently of a "big service" on a Tiger 1200 costing someone nearly £900 😱
That sounds about right to me. Apparently the 20,000km service for the Tuareg can be over a grand. I’d sooner rent or buy the special tools and give it a go myself when that time comes.
Hi, greta video but I don't see your Aprilia anymore... Did you sell it?
Thanks! No chance mate! Best bike I’ve ever had! I’m just working through the old content. You can see (and hear) the Aprilia in the latest action camera comparison video 😉
One thing I recently heard is criticism that the front suspension is way too soft on the Tuareg, not something you've found Andy?
Not so far Mark. Sure it dives a bit under breaking, but you don’t get long travel without a bit of that. Ultimately, i still find the handling very sharp.
I'm looking forward to the courtesy/"thank you" letter and phone calls I hope you are going to get from the Aprillia man in the factory in Italy ;) :) :D (unless that's only if you buy a Tuono..?? ;) )
I don’t think that service extends to the budget club members like me! 😆
@@AndyManCam Let us know if they contact you! :) Will be interesting to see! :)
@mattmutane5502 i wouldn’t hold your breath!
@@AndyManCam Yep, I know... I won't ;)
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I’m glad I can reset the service indicator on my KTM without visiting the dealer. Which is handy when you have to wait 6 weeks to get a service 🙄🙄
I’m not going to lie, that was a large deciding factor when i got the 1090! Now I’ll have to either resort to using black tape or coughing up 80€ for a reset!
When you mentioned the mechanic's remarks on the fasteners, that's a bit of a double-edged sword. It's a checklist item. The fact that they've done it is good, but it's also _supposed_ to be done. The fact this seemed noteworthy. says all that needs to be said about the state of the industry.
I rather reluctantly but totally agree. It’s all in a state of shambles and everybody needs rewarding for doing the bare minimum. Worst part is that they then proceed to charge you an arm and a leg for the pleasure.
@@AndyManCam. And then demand a tip.
Years ago a Triumph dealer told be how he told people to feck off if they hadn't bought from him. I hated his attitude and instead of an ST I bought a Blackbird. Grrrrrrrrr!
Glad you're sorted though 👍
I stand by your reaction mate. Although i want to keep this dealership onside in case of any issues, that attitude makes me never want to buy from them. Holding customers hostage because of proximity of servicing is a disgusting ploy. Rather than joining in with the competition that a free market gives us. If their bikes were 3000€ more expensive, obviously I’m going to buy elsewhere! Play the game or get out of the race.
@AndyManCam 100% agree. It tells you a lot about their attitude and I don't want to give money to people like that. The Triumph dealer eventually disappeared up its own arse. 😁👍
As i think is correct. Bad service deserves to end in a bad way.
Glad you're happy with the Tuareg so far, Andy.
Servicing costs seem a bit hairy, but I suppose that's one of the disadvantages of owning an Italian machine. Of course it could well be German rip off prices.
Very much so. I do also believe that it’s German prices hiking it up too. The Honda service was 3 years ago, so could well be far pricier by now. Everything is crazy expensive everywhere, it seems.
A lot of the customer service problems have to do with the fact of the manufacturer policies, just like you mentioned. They have so many little rules and schemes to not pay the dealer the money for the work. The dealer is just trying to get paid, so they are stuck between manufacturer and customer. Granted, I understand there are dealers out there that take advantage, but overall, it just gives dealers a bad name and customers angry and frustrated.
Which is ultimately see as hugely unfair. The manufacturers should have a little more respect for the channels through which they sell their product. If all the dealerships dry up, because the rules are too hard to follow or because the customers stop buying due to terrible service, then the manufacturers are left with nothing. The Anarchist in me kind of wants that to happen. See how easily the world will continue with no new motorcycles for a year or two. I guarantee that the manufacturers would then quickly change their tune.
My OCD is kicking in Andy……. Garmin isn’t square with the TFT!!!!!😂😂😂
I know, i know! Don’t worry though. I’d literally only got the Garmin the night before and the proper bar mount was on the way 👍🏻
@@AndyManCam phew!!!!
Only problem is, it destroys the possibility of mounting the camera on that bar, so the GPS might have to go to one side…
@@AndyManCam I’m sure a man like yourself can fabricate some sort of bracket so they can both sit on the bar…… please!!!!🙏🏻 🤣🤣🤣
It’s something I’ve been thinking about constantly! Sadly I’m very limited in terms of tools and workspace right now!! 😅
Does it vibrate much , Like do your knuckles go white in a couple of hours?.
Not at all. Longest ride so far was 10 hours down to the ferry at Calais. No numbness anywhere at all. Pleasure to ride.
How do you find the Tuareg against the 1090? Ive got both on my shortlist at the moment. If i buy the Tuareg it gives me an off road option, if the 1090, then its the extra power but i wouldnt be looking to go off road with something that size..
I‘m afraid that my answer is going to positive, but at the same time, unhelpful! I’ve gone offroad with the 1090 (albeit 15kg lighter after my bike slimming exercise) and actually found it quite manageable. But at the same time, I find that while the Tuareg feels noticeably lighter, I also don’t in any way miss the power. If push came to shove, i would currently choose the Tuareg 100%. It seems that 80hp is more than enough to keep up with bikes with twice the power. But the 1090 was still a formidable beast and potentially has the slight edge on the comfort front. Ultimately, if you WANT to go offroad, I’d say go Tuareg and you won’t regret it. If you want a sturdier bike with a meatier engine, then the 1090 will serve tremendously. Either way, both awesome machines that I’d happily have in the stable. The only weakness i ever found with the 1090 was that it could have weighed 25kg less. The Tuareg ticked that box perfectly, and then more besides.
@@AndyManCam thanks Andy, keep up the good work on the channel
Shame it arrived new with all the issues of not being put together well. Maybe check out before you ride😂
away? 😂 But the dealer should have set it up properly…. Oh, bit wide at 11.02!
I know right. Too much to expect that the dealership did literally their only job. Sadly i suppose that’s the ‚luxury‘ of selling to customers long distance. You can rely on the fact that they’re not going to come in and tear a strip off. Even if i legally would have had the right to do so. Such a shame that service is so reliably bad in this industry.
14:30 Is it a specifically German thing to wrap your prick in your shirt sleeve? I've never heard of anyone doing it before, I have seen some very strange goings on in German gentlemen's leisure videos over the years, but not that particular action.
It’s a saying i learned from my dad, so probably military. But it just means that something is very loose. Like a prick in a shirtsleeve.
Hopefully it is a happy marriage. Servicing costs seem a little steep. Maybe send the bill to the first dealer who sold you the bike they had clearly not checked over prior to giving it to you?
That was certainly a consideration Alex. Sadly they already have my money and know that unless i involve a lawyer they don’t have to make any more effort. I ought to have refused the bike at the delivery stage, but obviously i was too excited and placed too much faith in them.
Inconceivable I know, but the Zumo contacts will become intermit given time- this comes with taking on\off, so just keep an eye on it. Also, never get involved in a land war in Asia, just saying ;-)
Everybody knows not to get involved with a land war in Asia! If i have any issues with the connections, the unit will be going back from whence it came under the 2 year guarantee! After that, I’ll just get creative! 😜
I've been using a Zumo 396 for years now with no electrical issues. My only complaint is that sometimes when setting a destination (or selecting an MP3 to play), it goes into what I call "Mitch Mcconnell mode", where there is a looong delay before it starts responding again.
The long delay happens with the XT too. Maybe it’s not a problem, it’s a feature!? 😂
Have herd about wales , that’s in uk lol have imposed 20 mph all over where 30 mph was and where it was 50 is now 40 and 60 is now50 yuk
Yep i know. I can tell you though that everything they’re doing, has already been done for years in Germany.
@@AndyManCam I don't *think* Wales are considering motorcycle only speed limits.... yet.... ;) The 20s in Wales isn't as bad as everything thinks it is/is making out it is....
@@mattmutane5502yes it is a pain in the ass especially getting stuck behind people doing 18mph now so not to get too close to that 20 limit, could literally cycle faster its a complete joke
@rh_8599 i can see that. But TBH i ride under the limit in town most of the time too. There are just far too many kids and stupid people around to risk it. And then out of town, you’ve got all the power you need for a swift overtake. I’d sooner be stuck behind people in town where it doesn’t matter, than out on the open road. Ultimately however you look at it, I notice every time how much more congested UK is than on the continent. It’s a real shame.
@@rh_8599 Fair enough. I'm only a (fairly regular tourist) so don't have to live with it! :( I tend to stick to the deserted stuff in the middle, where there are far fewer (civilisation and therefore) lower limits, too...
Assuming the power to the USB is the same as it is on my V85 or my mates V100, this would be a clean solution. Just create a little splitter and keep the wiring harness intact and electrical gremlins at bay 😋. This little video explains quite well what you would need ruclips.net/video/eOPcv3DDbhA/видео.html
Already done it mate. Got the waterproof connectors and made a Y-Cable. Worked for the next 4000km like a charm 👍🏻
@@AndyManCam ofcourse youtube time and realtime are not the same thing 😂. Nice job!
@Travelguzzi sadly not, but I’m catching up! 😆
@@AndyManCam Are you trying to beat Mike's smallest time interval between services, record? ;) :D
Having said that, I guess you did 3k in the 1st week of the CB? ;)
Owning a KTM and Aprilla, you literally fart in the face of the reliability gods👊
The KTM was a sure thing in my eyes. Well tested engine, understressed compared to the 1290 version. No electric suspension, no IMU gadgetry, no subscription unlocked cruise control or fueling maps, no illuminated switchgear and solid but simple components. Also reports from the forums were all good. The 1090 range shouldn’t be tarred with the current KTM‘s reliability reputation.
The Aprilia is a bit more of a shot in the dark, but again it‘s got relatively minimal electrical trickery to go wrong and Aprilias reputation in terms of engineering is improving all the time. Sure i might have to regularly tighten bolts and top up the oil, but i think that’s taking me back to the golden era of owning bikes, when you knew every nut and bolt and felt closer to the machine 😎
Mate, watch out for those speed boxes. Ffs, they’re everywhere.
Which speed boxes? I find the biggest secret is just to not smash the speed limit!
@@AndyManCam that’s no fun
@@beozzie690 Time and a place...! ;) :D
@@mattmutane5502 I think I’m a bit far from you. But if you’re ever in Munich then I’m game. Unless it happens that I’m in the States
@beozzie690 it’s on!!
Please! Please! Please! Put your garmin above the dash!
Don’t worry, it’s already done.
260€ the first service ??? Lool 😮
I pay about 60 or 80€ … wtf ?
At an official Aprilia dealership?
@@AndyManCam yeah of course
Wow. Which country? I think Germany is a raging rip off for this kind of thing!
@@AndyManCam in Greece
@Thanpain aaaah, i see. I’ve heard a few times now that motorbike stuff is often cheaper in Greece. Better weather too! 😜
Too much for a oil change and some loose bolts... The 1st on the T7 i had 99€ and the 1st on my KTM 890 120€ + Tech Pack
It is a lot of money for what is ultimately simple work. I’ll do some phoning around for the next one.
Mmmm whats up there (leave it), words to live by, now you can go almost anywhere. Yet another navigation device for you to curse out, are they all that bad or is there an element of user errror, te-he, just saying?
There’s undoubtedly some user error. But lately some very strange detours and odd behavior from the Beeline pushed me too far! Worst bit is that you don’t know it’s taking the piss until you’re way off route OR suddenly back where you started!