Awesome! It has a lot of useful info in it I think:) Enhance is awesome too and after I hopefully finish a guide for every class I will likely go into other specs like Enhance shaman and others
Hey thank you for your arena videos and guides overall youre one of the only sources who can back up videos with experience. I have a question: Which dps class/es are the easiest ones to perform with in arena? Talking about classes which dont need to focus that much on keeping cc chains up or watching teammates and dont have much utility which makes playing good harder. I guess Warrior is one of the easiest if Iam right or is there anything easier or similalry easy to learn? New to arena trying to pick up a easier to play class so I can learn the basics faster instead of being overwhelmed. Thanks :)
Your welcome :) - You can perform pretty well as a new warrior but to get to a higher level I think they are a bit harder than some other options. Your best bet is going to be DK with your criteria, and second would probably be feral/warrior!
What do you think about a Revenge focused Arms build? Basically the focus is using Glyph of Revenge to help you spam cheap Revenges that cleave and free heroic strikes that also have an improved chance to crit. You will need to get some parry/avoidance (Blade Ward wep ench might help) but it seems like a lot of damage potential. I cant link the build/gear I created but I'm excited to try it.
There could be something there, but overpower is just so broken with it's 100%~ crit chance before resil and UA procs on casters/healers. But I've never heard or tried this so I'm super curious to see what you come up with or if I get around to messing with it!
@@apexanalysis8348 Overpower is great and only gets better in wrath, however I think improved revenge is simply our hardest hitting ability. Add in that it can now cleave AND can proc a FREE heroic strike that has 15% extra crit chance from the talent in Prot...well it seems a bit nuts as long as you can get Revenge to proc. Sweeping strikes, Revenge spam seems to be the new big damage combo from what I am seeing of arena play in BETA.
@@apexanalysis8348 i remeber back in the day it was the meta in tbc and wrath its great of off tanks and mega cleave dmg. my lvl 60 warrior in shit gear is that spec and when i tank ramps im sweeping strikes and revenge spaming. 2.3k crits lol. in tbc it worked with mace stuns since revenge stuned and didnt share DR and had no internal DR
Yoo man! I was wondering if I should try and capitalize on revenge procs and if yes is there a weak aura or a way to do when it's proced while in battle/bsker stance
A weak aura definitely can help I just mash overpower/revenge when I need to be pressing it regardless so in a way you don't even really need it. And you won't have to swap into defensive to use revenge as arms. You will just be sitting in battle a good chunk of the time using those abilities.
You just have enough globals being taken up between hamstring, ms, overpower, rend, etc. Rage generation is so high as well or at least once you have pve gear that you can constantly hit things and don't want to swap and lose all the rage to the 25 rage cap
So booming voice over Unbridled Wrath? That's where your guide differs from others. Thanks for the vids. Is JC or BS better if we're wanting to run engineering? Also do you consider dropping Trauma for a different talent if there's no other bleeds on your arena team?
Yes definitely. I'm surprised some guides wouldn't put those 2 points in, the massive dem shout range is already amazing for getting people out of stealth. JC Is better than BS for ALL of wrath. And then on trauma, I would still take it regardless if your the only bleed user since deep wounds can create so much damage especially with higher crit gear and of course overpower almost always critting. Thanks for watching:)
Thanks for the very informative guide. I've been playing WoW for so many years and I've never played a warrior until now for WOTLK classic. As far as all these macros go, are you able to fit them all on the multi action bars? Seems like you only want your damage spells on each stances hot bar and everything else you would need that's stance specific, will have to be placed outside of the stance bar.
Yeah I managed to make it work. It is a little tricky getting the logistics to work with all of the macros and the different stances like you pointed out. And I don't even use a bar addon like bartender
@@apexanalysis8348 yeah I think this is the way to do it. And I’m the same way I’ve gotten way to used to the standard ui for the bars that there’s no deviating from that. I could maybe bind my stances separately and for example press berserker with one button and then intercept with another, but that’s going to be a bit slower
Tier 2 weapon is decent. Bryntroll heroic is decent but better for dk's then warriors. Shadow's edge(the pre wep to shadowmourne is very strong for a 264) And then you have oathbinder off lich king. And I think there maybe was a mace too in icc25
At what point do you gem not resil? Im a gamer who is basicly just capping arenas for the week, and sadly do not have the time to do pve, so im at about 1050 resil atm, is that to much?
@Ivica Outdoors I personally just drag my weapon on to my bars and hit the keybind. No macro required. But as Dani said that macro they made works. But, you still want to mortal strike while your 1h/shield is on so bear that in mind:)
Hey Apex, I read that holy paladin is the best partner for warrior in 2s. But what about priest? My friends play warrior, lock, shaman. Im choosing to rerol either paladin or priest. But I can't really decide which of the 2 has more setups to play or has a viable dps spec which is decent in PVE and good in pvp
It is by a large margin. Hpal does have more strong comps in every bracket. BUT Disc is very fun and you can do very well with it as well. I've played a bit of warrior disc myself (as the warrior) and it's very very good but the priest dies so much easier than the hpal so certain comps you normally would run over become 50 50 matchups
Hi, very usefull guide. I just startet a warrior and i already ran out of keybinds lol, so many macros :D. What do you think about a disarm focus macro and fear focus macro for arena? Or maybe it is just overkill
High agility + crit rating gear. Also, you spec for endless rage + 5% crit with polearms/axes to help get that high crit chance. It feels very nice playing with such high crit as warrior. Doesn't feel like vanillaclassic warrior at all where you are constantly rage starved
Both are two of the best without question. I think it comes down to which one you are personally better at(assuming that you will be raiding on both). IF you aren't going to raid then avoid warrior as they are the most gear dependent in the entire game maybe next to feral druids/sub rogues.
I play the H.Pally in H.Pally/Warrior, and we get absolutely destroyed by Feral Druid / Disc Priest, Assasination Rogue/Disc Priest, and ShadowPriest/Mage is tough as well.. also ShadowPriest/Sub Rogue... We cant break 2k rating in Wrath Classic, got to (and no joke) 1999, then lost the rating down to 1930, climbed back to 1997, and lost it again because all we queue into is Feral Druids, Rogues and Mages with Disc or Shadow priests.. haven't seen another H.Pally/Warrior in 200 rating.. Not sure what we can do against those comps, really frustrating!
Yup. But people make that statement not mentioning the fact that they were played on arena tournament servers. Which had the one massive distinction of having extremely poor pve gear available. That changes the meta MASSIVELY and completely changes the viability of comps/specs. Also, those people are amazing players and they would be able to take almost any comp and be at the top. Another reason things are very different is the meta has been developed and fleshed out more over the years on private servers. All of these will show in the ladder soon enough. I think rls is at best a viable comp, however at the beginning of wrath when a lot of people won't know much and rogues in particular are at their strongest, it will do far better then later on.
It's great I'd say its 3rd or 4th best for warriors. Top tier is JC, BS, Engi, Tailoring. But I think JC/BS is Optimal as well as giving the most flexibility for gearing options!
@@apexanalysis8348 mate I'll probably not meet you online, due to server regions. but let me just say that I wish you the best on the ladder, let the best win!
@@apexanalysis8348 love your content! Gives me real nostalgic feelings. Always trying to find new things or refreshing my memory from back in the day, been a realm first feral back then
Oh for sure. They will be strong all phases. They just don't have a ton of different 2's comps but the ones they do have in particular hpal warrior is just insanely strong
How tf do u recxomend us pvpers to get these groups for pve items do I have to fake beg random guilds or spend 50kgold in gdkp or something .. I wanna get that juicy armor pen but I suck hate Pve .// or maybe I can’t prot tank as warrior in raid and roll on arms pvp stuff ? Maybe even make a video on ur channel for tips forpvpers on how to get into pve stuff for gear
One thing to mention in regards to the professions. Yes you can only get Armor pen for JC/BS but BS does not scale nearly as well as other professions in first phase due to only bad gems being available. Therefore you are comparing another profession like enchanting (80AP) to 2 blue gems which give only (64AP). With that being said Blacksmithing is objectively the worst profession phase 1 and should be traded for any other profession besides engineering for a warrior in the first phase.
I mean if you look at it through a lens of raw stats yes other profs give more than BS which is certainly weaker earlier. But nonetheless ARP is amazing for warriors and depending on the gear available to you it still might be worth running it over something like enchanting. (keep in mind profs that give raw AP give no benefit when buffed with Kings(same with ARP, but you _can_ use strength gems as well in BS and of course they get buffed later so you don't have to learn new prof, drop new prof, pick up another one. As I know a lot of warriors have BS from BC coming into Wrath
@@apexanalysis8348 Like I said, weak early and objectively the worst. Enchanting is an easy example to use to illustrate the weakness of BS in comparison. I am well aware of how strength works .
WFS is better for rets/pregs, definitely far worse than dbw as warrior. Berserking and executioner are about = executioner is better vs casters (which warrior already does well against) and in my case playing on a private server I'm against the dreaded Warrior Hpallies so Berserking is stronger.
@@apexanalysis8348 WFS and STS share the same cool down. They proc together for 15 seconds every 30 seconds which makes your burst very strong, frequent, predictable and you do not rage starve because of the higher crit rate. It gives you the same amount of AP, while with DBW is hit or miss. The only proc that is worth it is STR one at BiS. It is also not as easy to be noticed by the enemy team because you do not change your form. Executioner is used to replace the lack of DBW's ARP and allows you to survive longer because It does not reduce your armor. On warriors less armor means less AP due to the Armored to the Teeth talent.
@@zabban No, Executioner is preferred endgame only. In earlier phases you should focus on getting more s Strength or AP. The stat priority endgame is 5% (164) Hit rating > ArP > Str > AP > Crit rating. You should not gem for the last two. Executioner is better Vs Platers, not like Apex mentioned Vs Casters.
Warrior is one of those classes I don't want to play in pvp but I don't want anyone else to either. I don't want to play it and I don't want to fight it 😄
Yeah I get that feeling. That's how my priest friend felt about DK's hahah. I think though warriors add good gameplay overall - it's just a shame that with the right pve gear they become pretty much overpowered, but hopefully there aren't a ton of hardcore pver's who are also good in pvp
I have some many questions with this ui set up. Primarily. Why do you need those ugly useless health and rage bars around your character when your hp bar is right below your character. One of these is redundant. And how you decided that awful hp rage bar addon was going to be more useful than a WA? Half of the useful information on gladius is cut off by your action bar. You need to move it. And your arena partners frames are up in west bfe. Why? My man. Your ui could be so much better
This is an incredibly helpful and well-articulated guide video. Thank you for posting.
Love it! Warrior or enh will likely be my main in WotLK for pvp, will probably re-watch this video multiple times
Awesome! It has a lot of useful info in it I think:) Enhance is awesome too and after I hopefully finish a guide for every class I will likely go into other specs like Enhance shaman and others
Perfect video.Hope you end up getting more views
Ty, glad it helped!
Very nice vid ! Amazing work as always :)
"I'm not gonna go down on him yet" And the locks name? Balz! xD
Does Glyph of Hamstring stack with the talent Improved Hamstring?
Hey thank you for your arena videos and guides overall youre one of the only sources who can back up videos with experience. I have a question: Which dps class/es are the easiest ones to perform with in arena? Talking about classes which dont need to focus that much on keeping cc chains up or watching teammates and dont have much utility which makes playing good harder. I guess Warrior is one of the easiest if Iam right or is there anything easier or similalry easy to learn? New to arena trying to pick up a easier to play class so I can learn the basics faster instead of being overwhelmed. Thanks :)
Your welcome :) - You can perform pretty well as a new warrior but to get to a higher level I think they are a bit harder than some other options. Your best bet is going to be DK with your criteria, and second would probably be feral/warrior!
What do you think about a Revenge focused Arms build? Basically the focus is using Glyph of Revenge to help you spam cheap Revenges that cleave and free heroic strikes that also have an improved chance to crit. You will need to get some parry/avoidance (Blade Ward wep ench might help) but it seems like a lot of damage potential. I cant link the build/gear I created but I'm excited to try it.
There could be something there, but overpower is just so broken with it's 100%~ crit chance before resil and UA procs on casters/healers. But I've never heard or tried this so I'm super curious to see what you come up with or if I get around to messing with it!
@@apexanalysis8348 Overpower is great and only gets better in wrath, however I think improved revenge is simply our hardest hitting ability. Add in that it can now cleave AND can proc a FREE heroic strike that has 15% extra crit chance from the talent in Prot...well it seems a bit nuts as long as you can get Revenge to proc. Sweeping strikes, Revenge spam seems to be the new big damage combo from what I am seeing of arena play in BETA.
@@wkndwarrior3532 it's great vs melee, but as soon as you play against casters you are screwed. It's a meme spec that shines in certain situations
@@apexanalysis8348 i remeber back in the day it was the meta in tbc and wrath its great of off tanks and mega cleave dmg. my lvl 60 warrior in shit gear is that spec and when i tank ramps im sweeping strikes and revenge spaming. 2.3k crits lol. in tbc it worked with mace stuns since revenge stuned and didnt share DR and had no internal DR
@@beni4843 you can still over power the casters tho xD you are only losing armed to the teeth and blood craze in 2v2 you dont need a aoe slow so much
Hoping for a mage guide, can't wait to play my mage in WOTLK classic
Thumbnail is made! It is probably either my next class guide or it will be the one after the next :) Mages are fun & amazing
@@apexanalysis8348 can't wait to see it ^_^
Nice video man!
Yoo man! I was wondering if I should try and capitalize on revenge procs and if yes is there a weak aura or a way to do when it's proced while in battle/bsker stance
A weak aura definitely can help I just mash overpower/revenge when I need to be pressing it regardless so in a way you don't even really need it. And you won't have to swap into defensive to use revenge as arms. You will just be sitting in battle a good chunk of the time using those abilities.
@@apexanalysis8348 Really why dont you need to swap? something changes on the way to 80?
You just have enough globals being taken up between hamstring, ms, overpower, rend, etc. Rage generation is so high as well or at least once you have pve gear that you can constantly hit things and don't want to swap and lose all the rage to the 25 rage cap
@@apexanalysis8348 Oh hell yeah thats great to hear! I'm hyped! Swapped from mage to arms this xpac.
So booming voice over Unbridled Wrath? That's where your guide differs from others. Thanks for the vids. Is JC or BS better if we're wanting to run engineering? Also do you consider dropping Trauma for a different talent if there's no other bleeds on your arena team?
Yes definitely. I'm surprised some guides wouldn't put those 2 points in, the massive dem shout range is already amazing for getting people out of stealth. JC Is better than BS for ALL of wrath. And then on trauma, I would still take it regardless if your the only bleed user since deep wounds can create so much damage especially with higher crit gear and of course overpower almost always critting. Thanks for watching:)
Nice thanks dude:)
can i get a import of ur keybindings setup pls?(with addon myslot)
I'll look into that myslot and do that
Everything you need to know... You're gonna parse but you're gonna be doing less than the tank
At what point do you start gemming armpen? I am currently in a werid place in season 6 with gear. not sure if to stay with str
Thanks for the very informative guide. I've been playing WoW for so many years and I've never played a warrior until now for WOTLK classic. As far as all these macros go, are you able to fit them all on the multi action bars? Seems like you only want your damage spells on each stances hot bar and everything else you would need that's stance specific, will have to be placed outside of the stance bar.
Yeah I managed to make it work. It is a little tricky getting the logistics to work with all of the macros and the different stances like you pointed out. And I don't even use a bar addon like bartender
@@apexanalysis8348 yeah I think this is the way to do it. And I’m the same way I’ve gotten way to used to the standard ui for the bars that there’s no deviating from that. I could maybe bind my stances separately and for example press berserker with one button and then intercept with another, but that’s going to be a bit slower
11:25 is this bis for pvp or pve?
PVP sadly lol.
I'm curious what other options besides Shadowmourne there are at that point in the game
Tier 2 weapon is decent. Bryntroll heroic is decent but better for dk's then warriors. Shadow's edge(the pre wep to shadowmourne is very strong for a 264) And then you have oathbinder off lich king. And I think there maybe was a mace too in icc25
Wondering same thing bc that weapon will be impossible to get
At what point do you gem not resil? Im a gamer who is basicly just capping arenas for the week, and sadly do not have the time to do pve, so im at about 1050 resil atm, is that to much?
Thx for the guide, how do u put back the 2h after using the spell reflect or alike macros? Can i make a macro for MS?=
yes, you can. /equip nameof2handweapon /cast mortalstrike , just that easy.
@Ivica Outdoors I personally just drag my weapon on to my bars and hit the keybind. No macro required. But as Dani said that macro they made works. But, you still want to mortal strike while your 1h/shield is on so bear that in mind:)
Hey Apex, I read that holy paladin is the best partner for warrior in 2s. But what about priest? My friends play warrior, lock, shaman.
Im choosing to rerol either paladin or priest. But I can't really decide which of the 2 has more setups to play or has a viable dps spec which is decent in PVE and good in pvp
It is by a large margin. Hpal does have more strong comps in every bracket. BUT Disc is very fun and you can do very well with it as well. I've played a bit of warrior disc myself (as the warrior) and it's very very good but the priest dies so much easier than the hpal so certain comps you normally would run over become 50 50 matchups
Hi, very usefull guide. I just startet a warrior and i already ran out of keybinds lol, so many macros :D. What do you think about a disarm focus macro and fear focus macro for arena? Or maybe it is just overkill
Glad it helped, yes I think a disarm macro is very good I use one myself. I don't use any fear macro but that probably would be good to use tbh.
How do you build rage to use ms often and other abilities ?
High agility + crit rating gear. Also, you spec for endless rage + 5% crit with polearms/axes to help get that high crit chance. It feels very nice playing with such high crit as warrior. Doesn't feel like vanillaclassic warrior at all where you are constantly rage starved
@@apexanalysis8348 tyty
Should i be using heroic strike in pvp ?
If you are a gnome, should i use greatness or grim toll? i got both
Do you think warrior or warlock will be the stronger overall pick for 2v2 and 3v3 throughout the expansion? Leveling on fresh so starting over from 1.
Both are two of the best without question. I think it comes down to which one you are personally better at(assuming that you will be raiding on both). IF you aren't going to raid then avoid warrior as they are the most gear dependent in the entire game maybe next to feral druids/sub rogues.
I play the H.Pally in H.Pally/Warrior, and we get absolutely destroyed by Feral Druid / Disc Priest, Assasination Rogue/Disc Priest, and ShadowPriest/Mage is tough as well.. also ShadowPriest/Sub Rogue...
We cant break 2k rating in Wrath Classic, got to (and no joke) 1999, then lost the rating down to 1930, climbed back to 1997, and lost it again because all we queue into is Feral Druids, Rogues and Mages with Disc or Shadow priests.. haven't seen another H.Pally/Warrior in 200 rating..
Not sure what we can do against those comps, really frustrating!
worth to gem armor pen on S5 ?
How good will warriors be in the first phase?
Extremely good. Not as broken as the end, however just get a few pve pieces and you can potentially get R1 glad with it.
id say stun mace can be bis if you play with a holy paladin if your high rated enough to face lock/rogue+priest settups, just my opinion tho.
I don't know what stun mace you are referring to. Mace stun was changed to 15% arp in wrath
Hey nice guide apex, thanks. Have you gotten gladiator yourself?
Not as warrior. Glad it helped!
Is going arms/imp revenge at all an option for arena?
I don't think it's viable or optimal. But it IS an option :)
Do you mind linking the bis-lists?
Yup. But people make that statement not mentioning the fact that they were played on arena tournament servers. Which had the one massive distinction of having extremely poor pve gear available. That changes the meta MASSIVELY and completely changes the viability of comps/specs. Also, those people are amazing players and they would be able to take almost any comp and be at the top. Another reason things are very different is the meta has been developed and fleshed out more over the years on private servers. All of these will show in the ladder soon enough. I think rls is at best a viable comp, however at the beginning of wrath when a lot of people won't know much and rogues in particular are at their strongest, it will do far better then later on.
What shield enchant
How about engineering as an profession?
It's great I'd say its 3rd or 4th best for warriors. Top tier is JC, BS, Engi, Tailoring. But I think JC/BS is Optimal as well as giving the most flexibility for gearing options!
@@apexanalysis8348 mate I'll probably not meet you online, due to server regions. but let me just say that I wish you the best on the ladder, let the best win!
You too Mud - Wrath is amazing so I will be happily playing. Thanks for being a watcher :)
@@apexanalysis8348 love your content! Gives me real nostalgic feelings. Always trying to find new things or refreshing my memory from back in the day, been a realm first feral back then
Perfect!
do you think warriors will be strong phase 1 in pvp
Oh for sure. They will be strong all phases. They just don't have a ton of different 2's comps but the ones they do have in particular hpal warrior is just insanely strong
How tf do u recxomend us pvpers to get these groups for pve items do I have to fake beg random guilds or spend 50kgold in gdkp or something .. I wanna get that juicy armor pen but I suck hate Pve .// or maybe I can’t prot tank as warrior in raid and roll on arms pvp stuff ? Maybe even make a video on ur channel for tips forpvpers on how to get into pve stuff for gear
Yeah I could do that, I've managed to get good pve gear without spending a ton of time raiding for a few characters every season
@@apexanalysis8348 oh hell yea man ! That would be such an amazing niche but useful video man!
One thing to mention in regards to the professions. Yes you can only get Armor pen for JC/BS but BS does not scale nearly as well as other professions in first phase due to only bad gems being available. Therefore you are comparing another profession like enchanting (80AP) to 2 blue gems which give only (64AP). With that being said Blacksmithing is objectively the worst profession phase 1 and should be traded for any other profession besides engineering for a warrior in the first phase.
I mean if you look at it through a lens of raw stats yes other profs give more than BS which is certainly weaker earlier. But nonetheless ARP is amazing for warriors and depending on the gear available to you it still might be worth running it over something like enchanting. (keep in mind profs that give raw AP give no benefit when buffed with Kings(same with ARP, but you _can_ use strength gems as well in BS and of course they get buffed later so you don't have to learn new prof, drop new prof, pick up another one. As I know a lot of warriors have BS from BC coming into Wrath
@@apexanalysis8348 Like I said, weak early and objectively the worst. Enchanting is an easy example to use to illustrate the weakness of BS in comparison. I am well aware of how strength works .
Swap Berserking with Executioner and DBW with Whispering Fanged Skull
WFS is better for rets/pregs, definitely far worse than dbw as warrior. Berserking and executioner are about = executioner is better vs casters (which warrior already does well against) and in my case playing on a private server I'm against the dreaded Warrior Hpallies so Berserking is stronger.
@@apexanalysis8348 WFS and STS share the same cool down. They proc together for 15 seconds every 30 seconds which makes your burst very strong, frequent, predictable and you do not rage starve because of the higher crit rate. It gives you the same amount of AP, while with DBW is hit or miss. The only proc that is worth it is STR one at BiS. It is also not as easy to be noticed by the enemy team because you do not change your form.
Executioner is used to replace the lack of DBW's ARP and allows you to survive longer because It does not reduce your armor. On warriors less armor means less AP due to the Armored to the Teeth talent.
@@kristiyanayvazov255 executioner is better in phase 1 aswell?
@@zabban No, Executioner is preferred endgame only. In earlier phases you should focus on getting more s
Strength or AP.
The stat priority endgame is 5% (164) Hit rating > ArP > Str > AP > Crit rating. You should not gem for the last two.
Executioner is better Vs Platers, not like Apex mentioned Vs Casters.
@@kristiyanayvazov255 i see so ap enchant is the best, also what trinekts u think are best in p1? besides greatness
Warrior is one of those classes I don't want to play in pvp but I don't want anyone else to either. I don't want to play it and I don't want to fight it 😄
Yeah I get that feeling. That's how my priest friend felt about DK's hahah. I think though warriors add good gameplay overall - it's just a shame that with the right pve gear they become pretty much overpowered, but hopefully there aren't a ton of hardcore pver's who are also good in pvp
@@apexanalysis8348 without shadowmourne they're still OP
Im interested in teh zug life
Eventually you will only be speaking 1 syllable words if you adopt the lifestyle
I have some many questions with this ui set up. Primarily. Why do you need those ugly useless health and rage bars around your character when your hp bar is right below your character. One of these is redundant. And how you decided that awful hp rage bar addon was going to be more useful than a WA? Half of the useful information on gladius is cut off by your action bar. You need to move it. And your arena partners frames are up in west bfe. Why? My man. Your ui could be so much better
GG ....bigcockdaddy..... yeesh
If you need a video like this to play a warrior to its full potential, you should probably play an easier game.
Well I think if anything you need more practice and to watch other videos/streams. But suggesting people just quit is not a great mentality
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