Checkmate Evolution: Spiders Don't Have Wings
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Why spiders have not developed wings if evolution is real
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If its so important for evolution to give spiders wings, why didn't the perfect designer give them wings?
Why didn't we all get wings is my question?!? We can all agree it would be overall beneficial if we could fly.
Was my immediate thought when he admitted to creationism/ID 😂 and then what Tigre said after!
Especially if we are ‘made in the image’ - surely god can fly…why’s he holding out on us???!!!
@@mattg5802Oh I am absolutely going to steal this.
"Either God _cannot fly,_ or we are not _made in his image."_
@@TigreModerataI'd rather be able to breath underwater.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gkand humans aren't, so we're not made in his image.
‘There are lots of insects that fly like moths…’ yeah, you know what eats moths???? FREAKING SPIDERS!
Frogs eat insects too. Winged frogs are next! /s
@@Ghalaghor_McAllistorthey dont "fly" but glide - tree frogs hun 🐸
@@ch3rrikiss lol gliding isn't flying. Tbh, amphibians are weird. There are some species with fur :D
@@ch3rrikissthere are "gliding" spiders, too. Though it is called "ballooning", and uses electric charge to counter gravity.
@@hannajung7512I thought they used their silk to ride air currents.
"Your grandfather committed murder. Are you responsible for your grandfather's actions?"
"No."
"Your grandfather committed murder. Is a frog responsible for your grandfather's actions?"
"No."
"Then why would an insect, an animal, a human, be responsible for something Adam and Eve did?"
because humans are solely responsible for that crap story
@@theothercheek777 Most perfect answer ever, I choked on my own spit laughing
"Your grandfather committed murder. Are you responsible for your grandfather's actions?"
The Bible says yes to the 10th generation...... Just saying
Checkmate, atheists! 🤪
@@theothercheek777Lol! Some of these Bible stories huh!? Honestly an 8 year old could write them better!
"X would be awesome" doesn't qualify as a selection pressure.
Yup, would be awesome if I glowed under moonlight, like scorpions, but alas, not a thing for me.
@@shanewilson7994 Awesome in other ways, eh
I think you just described some form of sexual selection
Well, it does qualify as a selection pressure, but not for some kind of "mutation pressure" to allow for this selection pressure to begin with ;)
Plus selective pressure doesn't matter anyways if no spiders ever get a mutation that could lead to wings, or all the ones that do happen to die before they can be selected for. Evolution is partially dependent on coincidence. Some things won't evolve because the cards just didn't align for it.
"Fruit munching by two cosmicaly conjured garden nudists." Seth does have a way with his words.
“Just because God is all-knowing doesn’t mean he is all-knowing”
Amazing argument, riveting conversation.
I've joined the Christianity subreddit and this has been said way more often than I'd ever imagine.
@@mbrown7361 That's how it always goes:
• "God is all-powerful... but he can't do this, or this, or this, or that, or that, or that, or that..."
• "God sees and knows everything and every possibility... except he didn't see that coming... or that, or that, or that..."
• "God loves everyone, and that is why he... has a chosen people and regularly orders them to permanently end everyone else... before he decides to do the same things to his chosen people... and there's an eternally burning fire pit just for you - you know, because God loves you."
Seriously, even early Superman was written better than this, and if you have read any early Superman comics, you know how dumb it often quickly gets.
Because god is all-powerful doesn't mean that it is all-powerful.
Because god is all-benevolent doesn't mean that it is all-benevolent.
Because god is all-forgiving doesn't mean that it is all-forgiving.
@@DavidRichardson153and the think is, their god at least the way describe it say that “once you’re in hell it’s forever because you wasted your chance”
Like… Chance??? HE IS GOD AND CAN DO ANYTHING AND KNOWS EVERYTHING! You never had a chance and you didn’t have the decision, even in hell if he is all loving he would take you out of it, or better yet not create hell????
What all loving god creates a place of absolute misery if not for his entertainment. The Christian god has a lower IQ than Jake Paul
@@DavidRichardson153At least god didn't steal 40 cakes
If Duning Krüger was a videogame, this caller could be the final boss.
That's good, haha, nice comment, I might have to steal it in the future sometime.
@@mikeythehat6693
Not if I steal it first, ha!
I don't get it. 😂
@@mikeythehat6693 you didn't steal it, you discovered it..
cognitive dissonance would be his special move.
Trying to debunk evolution by not knowing what evolution is.
Here's another one!
@@369spartanthat last sentence is all I need to know of how little you understand evolution, or its theory.
@@369spartan learn, then debate. You skipped the first step.
He probably thought he understood evolution based on what his religious teacher muttered about it for ten minutes in school.
@@369spartan "Darwin's theory of evolution is called theory because it a theory, not fact." Let's all laugh at it, folks!
“Is that the funny way of saying it or are you serious?”
What an apt response to being asked why spiders don’t have wings
How were Adam and Eve supposed to know that it was bad to disobey God if they had no knowledge of Good and Evil until after they did it?
But they were told to follow that ONE rule... /s
That's what I have always said. Its like punishing a dog after the fact or a infant. They don't understand why you are punishing them and it's not really effectively curtailing the undesired behavior. You're just doing it to make yourself feel better because they didn't follow your rules. Its just mean and vindictive.
@@NobodyNowhereKnowhow Yes, but this is exactly how they believe in raising children as well. This is the mindset that leads to "blanket training" where they put a baby on a blanket and put a toy out of reach, then punish the BABY for leaving the blanket. They see no problem with punishing someone who doesn't understand what they've done wrong, they think that's how it's supposed to work.
They also didn't have any reason to doubt another of God's creations.
And why did God lie to them? If the Bible is true then the first lie ever told is "for if you eat of the fruit of the tree, on this day ye shall surely die". The serpent told them the truth. 😂
Few minutes in and i would have asked "As a truck driver, why didn't you carry a scuba tank around with you? Wouldn't being able to breathe underwater be an advantage?"
But still 30 minutes ago. Lets see where things go.
A much better analogy. Well said.
I like this analogy way better than what the hosts came up with. When watching the video, I did feel like their analogy wasn't as solid as it could've been.
Like, they just named a bunch of jobs and decided for the caller that he doesn't do those jobs because it doesn't interest him. Like, I don't do any of the jobs they mentioned, but some of them would interest me, I just can't do everything with the limited time I have.
The scuba gear analogy is more to the point and doesn't require the hosts to put words in the caller's mouth.
Thanks. I thought that's where Forrest was going when he asked about the guy's job.
Figured we'd discuss what skills or equipment you need or or don't need for the job. How becoming an expert swimmer has no benefits for a trucker. How enhanced night vision would. Something like that.
But it was an on the spot comparison and Forrest's main weakness seems to be dumbing things down. His baby talk still includes words I don't know. Think he just dumbed it down in the wrong direction.
I would respond: Why was it an advantage for insects to carry a scuba tank, but not for spiders?
In other words: Your analogy is faulty.
@@korbendallas5318 Wtf are you on about?
Firstly, it's an analogy, you can call an analogy bad, but saying that they're 'faulty' is like, yeah, duh, no analogy is 100% 1to1 accurate. That's not the point of analogies.
Secondly, if you think it's a bad analogy, the reasoning you provided for thinking so, is not coherent, I can not extrapolate your issue with the analogy from what you've written down. In fact, I am unable to decipher what the first part of your comment is even supposed to mean. I know the meaning of each word individually, but can't for the life of me figure out what they mean in the order you put them together.
A man finds a magic lantern, rubs it, and out pops a genie.
Genie: You get three wishes, but there are three rules. No wishing for more wishes, no wishing for anyone to die, and no wishing to bring someone back from the dead. What would you like to wish for?
The man thinks for a few seconds, and says…
Man: I wish spiders could fly.
Genie: There are now four rules…
"Fine. I wish that snakes had legs."
*"F###!* THERE ARE NOW FIVE RULES!"
@@369spartanThey do that every summer right outside my kitchen window so I've seen many kite spiders
;) Hilarious 😂
You know spiders can fly by parashooting on the wind using their silk
@@notaurusexcretus4471 - You mean the thing they literally talked about in the video? That same thing someone else already mentioned? That? Nope! You got me. This is the first time I’ve heard about it.
Have you ever heard of a joke? Your first tip-off that it was a joke and not real should have been the fucking genie granting wishes.
There really wouldn't be much benefit for spiders to develop wings in the niches they hold. They would be worse at holding their niches if they had wings.
Especially since wings + sticky substances do not mix well.
@rboland2173 Why need wings when you can just jump at them?
@rboland2173 But not as big and scary as some forced perspective photos would suggest. Still not pleasant, though.
Ant queens develop wings. They fly, mate with some males, and then land. The next thing they do is to bite away their precious wings, because they don't need them anymore, and wings are a nuisance for an animal that lives underground. Worker ants never develop wings because they don't mate.
The flaw in the caller's arguments is that he just assumes wings are always good to have.
@rboland2173
Or the camel spider will camp at the entrance of an ant hole and pick off the ants trying to come at it one by one and set them off to the side so it has a feast of ants to gorge on once it's done.
Interesting fact. Most spiders can fly, we'll is most like paragliding, they basically shoot a string of thread and let the wind do his thing. Spiders can cover huge distances this way with minimal effort.
This caller is 100% emotional. He hasn’t done anything to educate himself on the topic and, AS ALWAYS, expects the hosts to give him an education.
I try to not bring emotions into arguments. Also nice pfp
@@roboticartist2793 Well that’s good. Although sometimes it can’t be helped or is an emotional thing to begin with. The key is learning when emotions are appropriate and at what level.
And my pfp is just how I genuinely feel about the US right now. Not hateful. Just EXTREMELY disgusted and disappointed.
@NoHateLikeGodsLove (re: your point about the US) Understandable. People are just at each other's throats for everything these days and I can't handle it.
If people just stopped believing that every minor inconvenience or disagreement was an intentional act of malice by those around them, we'd be a lot better off right now.
@HazelEpicFunny Yes, you are misinterpreting what I'm saying.
I'm not talking about racism, transphobia, etc. I'm talking about political arguments broadly. Situations where two people holding legitimate (but opposing) positions assume the other is evil and out to get them, or else acting in bad faith.
Take student loan forgiveness, for example.
Plenty of people want student loans forgiven and think that opposition to that plan represents anti-intellectual sentiments, or just a generalized "fuck you" to people with degrees, or some other hateful reason. Plenty of people that oppose the plan think that those who want forgiveness are lazy, entitled, etc. and want everyone else to pick up the tab.
The truth lies somewhere in between. Some people who want forgiveness are lazy and entitled, and some people who oppose forgiveness are anti-education (maybe they think it's brainwashing) but there's a huge portion of the population that doesn't fall into either of those camps.
I stand to directly benefit from student loan forgiveness but I still oppose it for reasons I won't go deep into here (TL;DR it treats the symptom instead of the disease). That doesn't mean I'm evil and it doesn't mean I think people who want forgiveness are stupid or lazy.
As with most topics, there are multiple positions you can hold that are legitimate and don't require any malice or actions taken in bad faith.
If spiders had wings, heart attacks in Australia would be way more common
Pretty sure we wouldn't even BE in Australia in that scenario! ;-)
The Australian spiders could just fly to the mainland and spread around the world.
@@pallao3500yeah no one wants the funnel web to become "worldwide" 😂
Why should they have wings? They seem to do just fine without them.
Honestly if spiders did have wings I think that would be a pretty good argument for some form of devil existing.
Hiking by the way. Love spiders.
A winged spider seems like it would be a demon animal from Australia
@@denverarnold6210 The legendary blue-ringed magpie-winged funnel-web drop bear.
@@AXKfUN9m California flying bears.
And some can fly without wings, they use their webs to make a balloon
I bet this sounded like a killer argument...in his head.
11:01 - "Insects don't have nerve endings" 😂🤦♂🤣🍿
Spiders have lived successfully for a lot longer than humans and will still be around when we're a distant memory. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
If any species is "broke" it's humans.
Also, who wants tarantulas flying into their faces then they're driving with the windows down?
@@pineapplepenumbra I think some Australians did want a hard mode difficulty since normal Australia is apparently boring to them now
@@mwperk02 Lol. You're probably right; there's always someone who wants to get some kind of a buzz out of ever more extreme danger.
Exactly, spiders are WAY more successful than humans are as a species. Seriously. Insects are way more successful than our little branch of hominid vertically walking great primates.
Why haven't spiders developed wings?
Why haven't creationists developed brains?
These are legitimate questions.
The mental gymnastics that theists do always baffles me
My first thought was that spiders aren't insects, so there goes his entire argument before he's barely got a sentence out.
@alfresco8442 Yeah...even after you destroy their argument they rarely ever concede the point so you would get a response like "...Yeah, but" or "I agree, however".
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@@CarlHobson-zm2gkHe had no “argument”. He doesn’t know what evolution is. He didn’t know that spiders aren’t considered insects so he clearly didn’t have the knowledge to make the claim “they should have wings”.
The caller had no clue what he was talking about. But he doesn’t care about facts he cares about his feelings. Which is allowed when you’re dealing with religion, which is 100% emotional.
"I'm a hard worker" , what's is your Job, "I'm not working " LMAO
Eh I think that’s fine. He can consider himself to be a hard working person even inbetween jobs.
Haha ye but when he does work he works really hard.
In fairness, employment does not equate work ethic. I’ve known plenty of people with jobs with zero work ethic, and plenty others that were stay at home parents who worked their a55es off. Sometimes life just sh!ts on you and you’re out of a job 🤷🏼♂️
That’s a pretty shitty thing to laugh at.
this is when work smarter, not harder applies
gold medal level mental gymnastics, RJ pull yourself together
The day spiders evolve wings is the day I nope off the earth
"The Act of rebellious fruit munching by two Garden nudists" 😂😂😂
"If rabbits need to escape predators, why don't they evolve wings?"
(Kent Hovind.)
Thats where their long ears come into play; They are already halfway done with their wing development! ;)
@@pallao3500 Wow!
Never thought of that.
But it worked for Dumbo.
I really don't need a rabbit with wings!! I have 2 of the little buggers and they are enough of a handful as it is 😂. They're really naughty, they like to bite and dig everything they can and they throw full on tantrums and throw my shit all over the house. Rabbits may be little but they have massive personalities
@@jackwhitbread4583 Naaaaah! Bugs would be proud of them 😉
If the Devil exists, his greatest gift wasn't convincing anyone he doesn't exist (They all absolutely believe he exists). It was convincing them he was God with only a book full of provable lies, and misunderstandings.
Yet Satan didn't have anything to do with that book, except hate the ones who wrote it, and kill them. To this day, people like you are rooting him on.
If the bible is true then god did what he did and he's evil.
The devil is good. :D
@@IIITheDeadGamerIII all that's true, unless you're an idiot and can't see any good in God----Satan can't see any good in the one who made him, I understand your problem.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk because christians don't murder or genocide people. Nope. Definitely not. No God fearing mass murderers or killers have ever existed. Oh wait..
@@CarlHobson-zm2gkyou're*
He believes that a Creator made spiders, why didn't HE give them wings? It's an equally valid question.
This one was an excellent discussion! Well done, Seth and Forest!
No, not even close. No. What seems to be Forrest's understanding is that if I wanted wings, I can have them. But then I die before getting them, but my wish somehow is transformed into my great-great-great-great grandson and he gets them LOL
JEEZ-US!!! These people couldn't "think" their way out of a wet paper bag!
But they can vote... sigh.
Some spiders fly using the wind and their silk, no wings needed. This is a confirmation of evolution.
I think it’s actually static electricity or something?
@@gregslingland3576 Both.
@@spin.chicken cool.
@@gregslingland3576they use the electric charge to move "up", and the wind then caries them "forward". It is still super fascinating.
It's called "balooning", yes, both.
Spiders would benefit from having a human sized brain in a human sized body. Checkmate evolution.
If you are being serious - you can't just scale up a spider' body. It would not be able to move and it would suffocate because it's breathing tubes would not diffuse oxygen efficiently enough.
So would creationists *sigh*
@@Ugly_German_Truths I am officially in love with this response^^.
😂
If a turtle would benefit from flying, it would first have to reduce its weight, starting with losing its heavy PROTECTIVE shell.
Just make it thinner, beetles did it.
@@flyingsodwai1382beetles sacrificed a set of wings for more armor. Their fore wings literally fold in to protect their rear wings and body from attack.
I want to see flying elephants.
@@flyingsodwai1382 compare the size of a small insects to a big ass sea turtle huh?
Spiders are not insects. They are arachnids.
They are insects.... who bought an extra pair of legs in wallmart at halloween!
@@jasmijnarieland lost a whole third of the body?
@@Ugly_German_Truths hell yeah, all magic and stuff 😏
POOOF!
The caller is just not tracking, even though the core answer to his question is very simple: spiders haven't developed wings because they don't need them. Just as Forrest and Armin TRIED to explain to him, they survive very well as they are. They've got all the right equipment, eyes, appendages, silk and fangs, stealth or size, hunting strategy, each for its own very particular circumstances.
I have an aquarium with triops. I put them there. They eat shrimps. I put shrimps in there and tell them "Don´t eat these shrimps, they are poisonous".
Of course they will eat it.
And then I get mad and kill them brutally?
Yeah, I am a good god...
@rboland2173This had me laughing like a madman in public, now everyone thinks I'm crazy, great! 😂
I am a generous god.
Spiders don’t have wings because the flying insects COME TO THEM. They don’t need to waist energy flying to them. 😊
Picking on one of the most successful orders in the world is a bizarre choice. 😄
@@archivist17one of the most successful with the ability to create super strong webs from its ass 8x stronger than steel.... BASED
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk💀
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk
Not quite...
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk
What are you going on about??
first time hearing seth andrews and i just added 10 videos to watch later. very underated video. cheers :)
Forest is 100% correct about the little spiders that fly through the air with webs behind them. I have them in my backyard every year. We call them wind spiders. They're amazing to watch.
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Of course he's not convinced. He clearly doesn't understand anything about it
If spiders did have wings- I would end it.
I legit laughed out loud.
Or it would end us....
A theist with no idea how evolution works trying to argue against evolution. Spiders catch things that do have wings in webs, so why would they need wings?
In no way does the model of evolution "work." I'm an expert in evolution. NEVER has there been any gain of complexity/new information/evolution/new anatomy. FULL STOP.
😂😂😂🤦 just trolling trying to get a reaction in the comments@@borthwrenblanston6632
@@borthwrenblanston6632Hilarious
@@borthwrenblanston6632
@@borthwrenblanston6632obviously you are incorrect, the wing of a bat having the bone structure of a hand suggests what was once a forelimb has evolved into a wing.
A whale has limbs which have evolved into flippers.
You are definitely no expert in evolution, maybe an expert at apologetics.
When Forrest yells at 21:15 it sounds exactly like Plankton from Spongebob lol
"Like talking to a wall" does not begin to explain this caller.
More like talking to a brick in a wall...
So easy explanation:
Spiders are very well adapted to their niche.
The mutations to start the progress haven't happened, at least not in a way that is beneficial enough to the spider to offset the additional cost of said mutation.
So no real selection pressure for it.
@@369spartan yes, and that was covered in the call.
@@369spartan
That may be the most lucid thing you’ve ever posted.
If evolution is real, why don't they have lasers built into their eyes? They wouldn't have to jump around to kill stuff.
@@diogeneslamp8004
They copied it from posters on the early threads 😂
@@nealjroberts4050
😳
Wings would get caught in the web
Not all spiders have webs 😉
@@jasmijnariel then wings would get caught in other spiders' web. ^^
@@irrelevant_noob imagine whales could fly! Would save them weeks in time to travel around the world
@jasmijnariel Not necessarily. Imagine the anatomy it needs to make them being able to fly. The amount of energy they would have to digest would make up the question whether it logically would work, without even thinking about other body parts adapting to that change. Like do they still eat what they do? Still mate in water? What are the wings made out of to still make them being able to fly after being in the water?
So I'm not sure whether wings would save them weeks.
@@Para__Noia did you know jokes exist?
if mental gymnastics was an Olympic sport, Christians would take gold every time...
@@369spartan that is alot of words to say "some guy 200 years ago had basic ideas and is wrong". How about learning basic anything besides conspiracy theories?
@@369spartan To disprove evolution you need to write around 1,000,000 peer reviewed paper. Off you go.
@@369spartan a copy paste w0rd salad. And you don't know what a theory is.
And Muslims would probably take Platinum.
@369spartan In science a theory is a fact.
Poor RJ. 😂
I can distinctly remember sputtering just like him when I was coming to terms with Atheism vs my waning theism.
Yeah, and instead of what you did, which seems sincere. The vast majority of the commenters here thought it would be a great idea to humiliate and degrade him so they can feel better about their own insecurities. Such a welcome response from people that as you said, probably also sputtered like this in the beginning.
@@meusana3681He has called in at least five times in as many years with the same BS. He deserves no such deference.
@@scottjohnson7248 taking notes
@@scottjohnson7248 so he keeps inquiring. Let's shoo him away, that will prove very good for your image indeed. Yall seem to forget the purpose of this show isn't for us to feel smart about ourselves.
Flip the script, I have family who act like this. Do I think they reason like idiots... Of I do. But I don't dismiss everything they have to say because I think they're an idiot... That's literally the definition of an ad hominem.
@@meusana3681 Strawman
We call the animals which evolved to fly something different than "spider"... we call the animals which evolved to have qualities like spiders spiders! I'm not sure why that's so difficult to understand?
there are spiders that have the ability to drift in the air though. It is called "ballooning" really cool, and a bit terrifying.
What he seems to be imagining evolution as is Mr Potato Head with all the parts attached at once.
Why not have wings and horns and five arms and four eyes and two mouths. More is better, right?
Oh boy, I was blessed with spam too.
@@helicopterharry5101 Yep. I wish they'd just shadow-ban the spammer, but alas engagement drives the algorithm, even if it's by trolls.
@@369spartan
sorry pal but copy pasting the same comment is the literal definition of spam. yes we will be reporting you, bye
@@369spartan
@@369spartan
- Cells are not irreducibly complex
- There is no lack of transitional species, a good portion of all fossils ever found are technically transitional.
- Evolution doesnt need to explain the origin of DNA (even though DNA comes from RNA, which technically already covers the origin) because it lies outside of the scope of that scientific field.
I award you zero points, and may god have mercy on your soul^^.
I am a little disappointed that Forrest didn't point out that spiders are arachnids not insects
I think he didn't want to make RJ anymore confused than he already sounded
@@joshsheridan9511
lol!
You got to pick your battles.
@@joshsheridan9511
You could see him contemplate early on
In the context of the 'debate', does it really matter? It would not end it or change the direction of it
"There's only one rule, and you broke it!" Ok, sure...but until you broke the rule (eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil) you DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS WRONG!
Right?! Whenever I ask this, I hear a loud "WHOOSH" as the point goes right over their head..."But god said don't, and they did...so that was wrong." Ahhhh
It's like getting mad at my rabbit for biting the shit out of and digging in my clothes, he has no idea what he is doing is remotely wrong. Getting mad at any creature who doesn't understand what right and wrong even is is beyond insane to me.
Seth Andrews has such a pleasant voice.
Sitcom levels of amusement here. No laugh track needed.
I would think the wings would get stuck in their own webs
Not only did he put them in the garden and tempt them but he didn't give them the knowledge of good and evil before telling them not to eat it.
And he lied to them...the very first lie. The serpent tells them the truth. The writers of the bible were incapable of coherent plot development.
A great combo of you 3 guys!
The guy said he was in the military. Imagine if his CO gave him an order and he disobeyed, would it be okay for the CO to punish every living thing in existence for all time?
Actually, in the military, they often punish the whole troop for the error of one. So his brain may be molded by such “team building” exercises.
@@ihatespam2 Fair enough. Extend that to the entire branch of service and beyond to civilians and other countries.
@@miconis123 no, I agree with you entirely, just making a point about how it does happen, but not saying it’s in anyway moral.
Spiders dont need wings cause they can "fly" with their butts. They use the Earth's magnetic field by releasing strands of silk that are negatively charged. It pushes them up into the air, and the wind moves them around. Its called ballooning.
Exactly, it is fucking terrifying to know this when you are arachnophobe though
@hannajung7512 Only until you learn enough to undo that fear. Education and exposure are the keys. For example, the spiders that most commonly balloon are just simple grass spiders and orb weavers that couldn't harm a healthy human if they tried, and they definitely don't try. I'm not trying to insult your fear in any way, because I have the sickest phobia of needles and medical procedures, but learning how much care doctors put into their work and how much peace of mind nurses are able to bring, I've been able to subdue that phobia an incredible deal. It just takes work.
@@369spartan I said that. Well, not the second part.
So RJ wants a complete irrefutable scientific argument to satisfy his highly scientific mind, while he personally asserts that spiders liquefy and suck out another insects flesh because of the sin of Adam? Got it. Good luck guys.
If a baby crawls across the keyboard and launches a nuke, it is not the CHILD who needs to be punished.
No but that's a movie waiting to happen 😆🍿
@@Sundae_Times Baby Geniuses 4: Nuclear War
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"Ok..." You can ALMOST hear the click and see the lightbulb flicker a bit.
This reminds me of the classic argument - "If evolution was real, cats would give birth to dogs." Rory Trim.
only of there was pressure for them to give birth to dogs, but dogs fuck enough anyways!!
"If you know that breaking the rule will bring death into the world"
They wouldnt have known what death even was at that point. Hell, they didnt even know what evil, bad, wrong or even punishment was.
Sure, but it was about knowledge, they didn’t even know what knowing was, before what concepts they didn’t know 😂
I bet he wasn't a high flyer in the military either. Holy moley that was painful.
A perfect example of a theist calling not to debate and learn, but to desperately try and force a "win."
The Thumper credo: if I dont understand something then its obvious a magic genie made it/did it/caused it.
"Im a hard worker!"
What do you do as a job?
"Oh i dont work"
😂😂
@jasmijnariel - Don't be mean. Unemployment may not be RJ's fault.
@@MossyMozart true... but then you dont say the first part either🤣
Somehow Rib Woman eats fruit and thereby condemns humanity forever, doesn't quite cut it for me.
AND he loves you
@@ihatespam2rip George Carlin
Not just humanity, every being to ever live(except plants, they were screwed before that)
Spiders don't have wings, because the idea of flying spiders is just too scary.
@@369spartan Someone has discovered CTRL-V.
Mostly grown men calling in asking questions that you would expect a 10 year old to ask. A little embarrassing.
You shouldn't insult ten-year-olds like that, they'd have much better questions.
I love that your statement would also work if there was a hyphen ("Mostly-grown men")^^.
Cause i lot of these callers seem like they are only mostly-grown. You know, grown in size, teeth, limb length, most superficial features. Not quite all the way grown in the brain and mind department, but yeah, "mostly" grown men^^.
@@random.3665it's very sad to see so many people having their mental growth deliberately stunted by con artists.
I'm amazed by the patience you guys have to reason and answer most of the questions.
I love the expressions on their faces at the beginning. Forrest looks so amused, and Seth just ain't having it. No poker faces here.
I can't imagine sitting there and thinking, "I'm gonna call up the show and ask the dumbest possible question I can come up with" 😂
Why you mocking him?
@@rosalind1635 because the question deserves to be mocked. It's like me asking you why sharks can't walk
@@Deadman1000 So why are you mocking the person if your issue is with the question?
Like there isn't some absolutely ridiculous things you believe.
@@rosalind1635 to be fair, during the call they repeatedly said “assuming your good exists” and he kept saying they were trying to prove god doesn’t exist. He refuses to actually listen and respond to the question they asked
@@TheNinthGeneration1 Yes, he's clearly been conditioned to believe in what he believes. Probably since he was a kid.
Why mock him for it? What are the benefits?
Ah yes, a truck driver is going to be able to disprove evolution *eye roll*
@rboland2173 I’m sure there are, but it’s
exceptionally unlikely any of them can disprove evolution. If anyone is going to do it, it will happen in peer review from someone in the field of study.
how do we know it wasn't a male spider that ate the wrong thing and condemned us all to sin and death?
What about the dinosaurs? They were the most successful creatures ever to roam the earth and did so for hundreds of millions of years. Maybe this God created earth for the dinosaurs and in his image, he certainly seemed to love them a great deal to keep them on earth for such a long time!!
Armin, thank you for your explanation. That was such an excellent explanation and it showed true mastery of your understanding.
Next week he will ask why Elephants can't fly, cause why if evolution ????
Evolution is hard. Magic is easy.
When he said spiders are insects, I knew it wasn't gonna go well for RJ
One of the biggest hurdles for some people understanding evolution is to grapple with long time scales.
The North American continent broke off from Europe 175 million years ago and began moving west at the rate of about 1.5 inches per year (~0.0000000027 MPH), about the speed at which your fingernails grow. Don't think it's possible to travel 3,459 miles in 175 million years moving only 1.5 inches per year? Do the math: (3,459 * 5280 * 12) / 1.5 = 146,108,106 years (give or take due to the speed not being consistent in every part of the continent). Now contemplate 3 billion years of evolution, which is 17 times the length of time it took for North America to reach it's present location, and you get an idea of the scale.
Now, imagine how many individual organisms lived and died in those 3 billion years, each one a tiny survival/reproduction experiment with a slighty different mixture of traits from its parents and the truth of evolution becomes abudantly clear. This is exactly why some theists insist on a young Earth. They can't win on the facts so they obfuscate.
@@craedonbwroten6693WTF are you on about, liar
Story time! I once found a termite in my house and coincidentally also found a house spider earlier in the kitchen, whom I left alone. I got the idea to hold the termite next to the little guy to see what happened.
The spider immediately attacked the termite and when it turned the wings were perfectly placed to look like they merged with the spider. My reptile brain was absolutely terrified for a solid 5 seconds that I just mistakenly created a flying spider.
YOU DO NOT KNOW FEAR UNTIL YOU SEE A SPIDER WITH WINGS.
My reptile brain was just terrified, because i was unaware that there are termites with wings^^. (Termites are basically absent where i live.)
@@random.3665well termites are a social variation of cockroaches. (Cockroaches can fly too if you didn't know) Winged termites though are special males and females who leave their nests to breed with each other to start new colonies.
Behold, the American education system
hey now, some of the blue states have functional education.
@@nondescriptcat5620 B-but the kids will learn that gay people exist 😢
Love me, or I'll burn you is extortion.
It certainly isn’t love in either direction.
Maybe it's the sadist interpretation of tough love? Faith and indoctrination are just walking aimlessly in the dark. Hopefully, the caller is willing to ask himself the questions posed by Seth Andrew's and to read a book on the theory of evolution, not written by a Christian apologist but an actual degreed biologist.
You're a truck driver?
Yes.
Why don't the warehouses come to your truck?
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Brilliant!
This guy has read Kent Hovind's Big Book of Evolution lol😁
You should have asked "if you're a hard working truck driver, why haven't you evolved wheels?"
Think of how dangerous a person could be that would justify such brutality. And then wonder why we have wars.
So if a spider is better off with wings, what kind of incompetent creator failed to give them wings?
Yeah, RJ just refuses to listen because he's got his idiot mythology.
@@369spartan Rinse, repeat...
Agreed also why would a creator make Sea turtles egg layer, when it would be more beneficial for them (adult females and newborn) to be live bearers, rather than dragging them self onto beaches, drop them straight into the water.
Presupposition is quite an impenetrable bubble
Remember when truck drivers were happy driving trucks, and not, well, this?
No. When was that?!?
pretty much fron the day we started driving trucks to right around 2016. @@alisonjones8861
@@alisonjones8861back when the industry was regulated and paid a middle class income
You may be surprised but in Australia when the weather is right it actually rains spiders. When I read about it my predictable response was "eff that!"
anyone who's surprised by that doesn't know Australia.
I like the idea that a spider can retrain as a truck driver.
Truck drivers make $300,000 a year, on what planet?
Ice road truckers can, but I doubt RJ is smart enough for that.
@@joshsheridan9511Full loss of traction? Jesus, take the wheel!
Trucking drugs... or perhaps owning multiple trucks or a small trucking company. But that may not take into consideration the large cost involved in service and repairs to the trucks.
@@joshsheridan9511 No, they don’t. Maybe if they won the same salary all year long than they won during the winter monthes, but winter campaigns last only 2 or 3 monthes. And I’m not even sure they could reach this number.
Prime example of weaponized ignorance.
Another fine example of "peabrainious americanus"!
Interesting how many people think flying would be an advantage. In New Zealand, because there are no native mammals (apart from two small species of bats) many birds never developed an ability to fly, the kiwi (3 species), weka, 2 species of teal, pukeko, kakapo, takahe, an extinct wren, and several species of extinct moa, didn't need to fly because they were able to exploit a forest floor or tussock environment normally dominated by mammals. There are also a few species of penguin here that traded flight through air for flight through water.
I’m always surprised by just how selective they think evolution is. Spiders take advantage of flying insects because of how delicate their wings are. Also having the wings their webs are the perfect trap for would probably immediately kill them if they ever got caught in their own web.
No. What seems to be Forrest's understanding is that if I wanted wings, I can have them. But then I die before getting them, but my wish somehow is transformed into my great-great-great-great grandson and he gets them LOL
@@craedonbwroten6693 100% wrong and shows a deep lack of understanding of evolution.
@@The_dandy_zombie Son, any atheist idiot can just say "no" to everything. You don't get to render a conclusion, until you offer a detailed refute and you can't do that, because you don't know what you're talking about.
The "failure" is you. I put forth a set of facts, expecting you to offer a detailed refute and instead, I get an incompetent fool that can't begin to even engage in the debate. You waste everybody's time with an unsubstantiated conclusion. Just saying "no" to everything, doesn't cut it, son.
The religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. That's because atheism RUNS from "reality." I would add that as an atheist, you're bankrupt of RATIONAL/POSSIBLE causes for life, intelligence, consciousness, morality and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body.
Atheism has no RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step by step atheist explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. THINK ABOUT what you’re getting into w/ the cult of atheism. GET OUT NOW. I’ll help you find truth. Atheism has none.
I always win. That's because I'm living the best life possible - that of a dedicated Christian, while all atheists are totally lost & clueless. You're mentally ill and the mentally ill can study stupidity that can't exist/never will exist and still be mentally ill and spew stupid things on these threads. I've witnessed that fact for 50 yrs and about 7 yrs here on this channel.
Atheism = delusion. The asinine, lost & clueless atheist faith is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. No atheist can present a rational godless explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one.
NOTHING atheists desperately believe (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, star formation, evolution) can be observed or can even be proved to be possible, because NONE OF IT EXISTS. Certainly, none of it repeats. Entropy doesn't allow ANY OF IT, as matter only goes in one CONSTANT, UNRELENTING & INCREASING direction (bad to worse) toward it’s heat death END.
NEVER has nature produced any new information/gain of complexity/evolution/new anatomy/big bang/abiogenesis and you certainly can't demonstrate any of it.
What seems to be Forrest's understanding is that if I wanted wings, I can have them. But then I die before getting them, but my wish somehow is transformed into my great-great-great-great grandson and he gets them LOL
GENESIS IS AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY, because all these facts REQUIRE God to have provided the initial usable energy for this universe, because it's all being consumed by The Law of Entropy/Adamic Sin Curse.
Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to an eternal hell - wishing you had never been born). For now, you and your asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism are hereby debunked.
@@craedonbwroten6693Nonsense
Most people would probably instinctively say that it's _more_ advantageous for an animal to have eyes... however the Star-nosed Mole has evolved without eyes, because having them would be of no benefit considering their environment. In fact, having eyes would actually be detrimental because of the inherent risk of damage and infection.
Yup, benefit vs detriment is very often really dependent on selection pressure.
I once rescued a mole from a lock on a river. Took it into a field to release it and was impressed with the sheer power of its front legs and the speed at which it vanished into the ground.
I don't think other animals have front legs with such a high power to weight ratio.
@@grahvis Square-Cube law is a thing, so you will probably find a tiny insect that absolutely dwarfs moles in that department. Not saying that moles arent strong ofc.
@@random.3665.
I am aware of that, I'm talking about the actual power. I've handled many animals and I would say a mole has the same foreleg power as a small dog, a much larger animal.