Lathe Turning Tool Holders set, 7pcs 16mm Shank with carbide inserts, for BXA holders
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- Опубликовано: 13 фев 2019
- Reviewing and testing this 16 x 16mm seven pieces tool holder for medium sized lathe equiped with BXA ( Someone tells me that also an AXA holder will do, just check before ordering...!!! ) or similar type tool holders, This is a complete set for turning inside and outside, threading, parting, finishing...
The quality of this set is real good, this is a set I would purchase for myself and use on a regular basis. After testing on a lathe with the appropriate size and capacity, the set reveals to be doing an excellent job as is with the supplied inserts. I'll test the hardness of the shanks, and even supply some high resolution microscopic enlargments of the inserts before and after use.
I've tested in the past some smaller sets for mini or smaller lathes, this is the first decent that comes to my attention that is worth mentionning, at around $50 USD, for the seven shanks, the inserts, wrenches and keys, it's a real good value for the money.
This set is directed mainly to small shop users, serious hobbyist, amateurs, basement machinists, or anyone that is on a tight budget when it comes time to buy tools for the shop.
The set was given to me for eveluation purpose by Banggood. Banggood is an Asian Trading plateform similar to AliExpress, Amazon, etc...
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14 Million Pixels Full HD Color Screen Digital Magnifier Microscope 1 / 2.3 Inch Electron Digital Microscope Image Sensor With Bracket
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7pcs 16mm Shank Lathe Turning Tool Holder Boring Bar CNC Tools Set With Carbide Inserts And Wrenches
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10Pcs DCMT11T308 DCMT32.51 Carbide Inserts For CNC Milling Cutter
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Drillpro 10pcs DCMT070204 YBC251 Carbide Insert for SDNCN1010H07/SDNCN1212H07 Turning Tool Holder
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10pcs 16ER 3/8 Inch AG60 Carbide Threading Insert For External Turning Tool Holder
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10pcs 16IR AG60 Carbide Threading Inserts Internal Turning Tool Holder Inserts
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20pcs 16IR AG60 16ER AG60 Carbide Inserts Internal External Thread CNC Blade
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10pcs CCMT09T308-PM YBC251 Carbide Insert Carbide Cutter Turning Tool
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Drillpro 10pcs MGMN300-M Carbide Inserts 3mm Width for MGEHR/MGIVR Grooving Cut Off Tool Turning Tool
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Testing was done at my frien Philippe's machine shop, he owns a Graziano SAG-12 lathe equiped with a BXA toolpost holder appropriate for the tools to be evaluated.
Special thanks to my friend Philippe for usage of his shop...
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Pierre Beaudry
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I bought a kit for my south bend 13'' from Accusize and I'm pleasantly surprised how well it works even though my machine cant always hit the required FPM/rpm for carbide inserts!
Nice video!
Cheers
There are some great inserts for general purpose work, not optimized for high rate production on special alloys, but, perfectly suitables for hobbyist and small shops.
Unless you use those on CNC machines with tightly optimized parameters, you'll rarely use them within their best portion of the efficiency curve, don't worry about it though... 👍🙂
Enjoy your time in the shop...
Cheers,
Pierre
@@pierresgarage2687 100% agree and I’m enjoying machining a whole lot!
Cheers!
Thanks for putting real tests to the stuff that you review, with real world conditions. Granted, Phil's lathe is a skookum piece of equipment and can do DOC and feeds that a lot of ours can't do, but it shows that the inserts can take a serious cut. Good to see (and hear) the two of you at it again!
It's always better when ever possible to test the tooling in the conditions closest to what it's designed to be used for, I was surprised with the quality of the set, this makes a tool with a great quality/price ratio, it's nie to get the flashy brand names on a tool, but if you have a choice between putting food on the table or lower priced tooling, the choice is obvious, I'm not that worried about the flashy company, their cost is even lower than we're paying those economy tools... ( They also got more food on their table than they can ever eat... )
Was heard a few times, Robert was also present...!!! Rare occurence on a week day...!!!
Ever tried to push your lathe to see about where was the limit...??? ( just get there progressively and you'll feel the slowing down. That will you plenty of time to disengage... )
a fun afternoon making blue chips, it was great having you guys over. the Graziano didn't even break a sweat
Great review Pierre. I ordered the four piece set. I should get it any day. Now I feel better seeing your video.
You should be quite satisfied with the cutting products, so far the experience is good, still got to be picky on what you decide to order, though... I've seen a few products that may be questionnable.
Thanks for your comment, Pierre
Your microscope views are always helpful and interesting!
Presently working on an extensive review of the microscope, and it will include other nice ideas on how to get the most of it in the machine shop... ;)
To be uploaded within a week or two if all is going good...
Pierre,
I, for one, appreciate the reviews, especially the Rockwell testing feature. I was surprised these tools tested so well for hardness. I have a few Banggood cutting tools that have performed well. I do need to get a decent threading tool and proper inserts. May just get this set. Can’t beat the price.
I also appreciate the fact you are up front about how you acquire the items you review. Some are supplied, some you purchase outright. Some who do these reviews never mention it.
It's important to make reviews as objectively as possible, I'm quite picky on what I'll accept for review, even if it's free, it's got to be a product that looks like a good item.
Reviewing those take quite some time, and, not wanting to take precious moments with lousy products, a good pre-selection has to be made, I'm not gonna accept or purchace something that don't looks like something worthy in the first place.
Thanks Dale for supporting the channel, Pierre
Very nice demo video. I had already purchased this set before the video. Nice to have it demoed and prove I made a god purchase. I bought 10 extra of each insert. I tried to get the Blue Nano inserts, but not all available in blue nano at that time. Thanks for the video. How's winter in the Great White North, eh??
Hi, I'm sure you'll get satisfaction with this set, it may be a good idea to eventually test some Blue Bano inserts, to see how they stand compares to those in the video.
Winter here is an alternance of ice and snow, in later Winters there is more and more rain as time goes by, this year is worse than ever, got a big shipment of snow Wednesday, today it should be raining.... Again...!!!
Looking forward for Spring, as I'm aging, cold isn't my favorite season... lol
Cheers, Pierre
Really good video Pierre.I've always found the BG tooling to be great value. The TIN insert coating is questionable, but hey it looks good initially ;) Seriously the inserts work fine for hobby use.
Nice to see you run some numbers past us. I never go to that level, but I suppose I should. The DOC was no issue for the inserts. Not like the bad old days when cheap inserts were rubbish.
I look forward to the microscope video.
Cheers from down under.
Rob
Hi Rob, making those videos with all the details take tremendous amount of time to make, mostly keep the lenght reasonnable, editing takes for ever... ;)
For someone that needs to make a choice to purchase the fancy costly inserts or put food on the table and get the Banggood inserts, the choice is obvious...
Not all their tools are great, but, with educated choices we can pick the better deals and share those.
Got some ideas on how to get the most of that microscope, just need some time to get at producing that video... ;)
Cheers between snow and rain and ice..... lol Pierre
very nice review....enjoyed
Hi Chuck, keep warm, looks like cold is getting at you... ;)
I purchased one of the cheaper microscope you have because of your review. It works great but that more expensive one looks to have incredible resolution.
The cheaper microscope is a great inexpensive tool for all around the shop, the other one is way more costly, and, like you say with better resolution, there are also some extra features that I'm planing to use in the shop to make precision measurements.
Just need time to set-up and get it all done..... ;)
Cheers, Pierre
Great review there Pierre. Phil has a nice lathe. I cannot even think of making that large of a cut. Sure glad to see you have some more ingots getting low here. =(;-)
That Grazino lathe is a real workhorse, very solid, with all the care given to restore it it's in prime shape...
The ingots were made last May, was nostalgic about the warm weather, anxious for Spring to be back... ;)
You could get yourself a plane ticket and come Monkey around here, we could make a big snowman, got extra shovels... lol
Cheers, Pierre
Good review. I can’t complain about the 1/2” set from Bangood I have for my AXA holders.
Those type of tooling is generally a great purchase for people with a tiny tool budget or anyone that needs to save in order to be able to get tools for the shop. Not all tools coming from Asia is a great purchase, though, we need to test and evaluate in order to sort out the better deals... This is where references are a way to help in deciding.
Cheers, Pierre
BTW, nice project in your shop with the small rotary engine...!!!
Hi Pierre, nice test as allways, good performance of the tools and at that price a real find, better get video surveillance in the shop :-), a good source of aluminium is wheels.
A security system was installed soon after the last batch of ingots were stolen, BTW, they stole more than ingots... Those nasty Bastards...!!!
Still have another 150 pounds or so of more scrap to make ingots from, including alloy wheels and suspension parts...
Now, waiting for warm weather and Summer to be back... ;)
I like the microscope. Looking forward to the video.
Steve
Hi Steve, if all goes well, we'll be filming this week, this is a real interesting item.... Cheers, Pierre
Is there some way of ordering an extra set of inserts only, I can fine a set of inserts for 12mm tool holders, but not for the 16mm, any help would be greatly appreciated.
yay more melting stuff coming soon!
That melt was done last May, I miss soooo muche the warmth, please let Spring be there sooooooooooon...!!!
Hope to be able to do a few castings when warm weather is back... ;)
Thanks for the review. I got the cheaper microscope and love it.
The cheaper microscope is a nice tool to get a closer view of things, naturally the fancier one is better et a price, though...
I was nicely surprised by the quality of the holder set...!!! ;)
Cheers, Pierre
Great job Pierre.
Good solid review. Did Phil borrow after the review....LOL.
_Dan_
Hi Dan, he's getting the set, I already got so many holders and no room to store any more of those, the great news, it's a very decent set, and, matching his lathe perfectly... ;)
Cheers, Pierre
How were the screws? Normally I have found those foreign tool holders pretty good but the screws rubbish that stripped out easily.
I didn't pay real attention when I first installed the inserts, possibly cause they didn't seem to be a concern, but to your asking, I just went back in the shop to give it a closer look, the heads are very well shaped, no trace of the tool user to install then, great fit of the torx tool, so far it's a positive experience... Compares to good quality fasteners I get from my local supplier. ;)
@@pierresgarage2687 Yes the hex stripping out was the problem I had with the set I got when I first bought my lathe. Like to think things have improved in the last 20 years. :-)
I've seen some of the real crappy ones, they're terrible... Need surgery to remove them...!!!
Always a great idea to keep a few spares in case of dropping one in a fully loaded chip pan... ;)
Yeah, they don't seem durable, but I have also heard that you don't need a lot of torque, as the design is what holds the insert, the bolt is just for stability.
Which insert and grade was used for turning .
With Chinese direct imports it's very difficult to get those details, it's most likely some very usual and wide spreaded grades, if you require some specialized turning you better get some known products from regular manufacturers, though, those inserts will cors you really musch more money, as those cheap ones are quite all right for regular work... 🙂
Mr. Long Fingers Had Better Not Show Up !!!! Hope You Are Storing Them Locked Up !!! A Fun Video , Well Done 17.345 Thumbs Up
"Ça rente aux toast en tabarnak!" 😂 (12:12)
More seriously. Look like a good priced starter set for a student! Just found a "rent a workshop" in Ville LaSalle. I'm tempted...
Si tu veux finir ta journée et faire un peu de profit, faut que tu pèses un peu su'l gaz...!!!! lol
Are you studying machining in or near LaSalle? If so, is it a DEP?
Rent a shop is a good alternative to get some practice and do something when you got no place with tools yourself, a small group of people will make it more affordable, then just be on the lookout for some tools, around Montréal Kijiji is a great place to look for, jist be choosy and PATIENT, you'll find great tools at great prices in time...
@@pierresgarage2687 Actually it's St-Henry and not LaSalle. Still not really close as I'm more on the eastern part. (Olympic Stadium.)
Be choosy and... PATIENT is what our teachers are telling us. Look like a nice place. Visiting it Wednesday. (Tomorrow.)
Make a list of things that you objectively want before the visit it will help you determine if this place meets your main criterias, important to keep your head cold and stay objective, it's always easy to get emotionnal and make decisions you'll regret... See your teachers agree with patience and reflexion... ;)
So using my cereal box translator, Pierre and his friend were arguing who was going to pay for lunch at McDonald's. Pierre, lost and was insisting his friend could only get a kids happy meal. NEWS FLASH, Pierre tries to short change McDonald's, video at eleven. ;->) Thank for the video. Looking forward to the review on the microscope.
Funny translator... lol
Here, we get discount coupons for a burger chain called Harvey's, Philippe's favorite and also mine is Crispy Chicken Burger...
This microscope is a real step up from the other one, but, a step in price too...
I got a few ideas in mind on how to use it in precision applications in the shop, got to finish working on that, though...
Cheers, Pierre
Pierre,
This is a bit off topic but have you ever tried free hand turning metal with a hand held cutting tool on a tool rest like in turning wood? I saw a video Dale Derry did where it was demonstrated.
I actually tried it today and was surprised how easy it was. I needed to make a handle for a saddle wheel and want to match the other handles on my lathe so I thought I thought I would give it a try. It’s a slow process and the tool has to be held at just the right position but I actually got curled chips. Of course I was cutting 12L14 so it was easily machined. I imagine aluminum or brass might be easier.
It’s not something I would want to do regularly as it’s way too slow but thought it interesting. Just wondered if you’ve had any experience with it.
Hi Dale, not tried for big areas, just small corners for a quick shaping, to do so I get a solid carbide boring bar in the toolpost and use it as a rest, quick and easy. Got to be careful with softer materials they possibly catch easier... Safer with a longest possible shank or handle, though...
Your idea of taking it easy is to me the best idea to stay alive and healthy... ;)
Cheers, Pierre
Pierre,
I agree it’s best to remove as much material as possible with tool post held cutters. Any hand held tool absolutely requires an adequately firm handle incorporated into it. The tool I used yesterday was HSS and ground with a large frontal radius.
I understand the softer materials are subject to grabbing the tool. This is true in woodworking as well which I have done much more of. Hardwoods were much easier to turn than the softwoods and a much better finish is achievable. T
Free hand metal turning isn’t something I plan to do a lot of and wouldn’t recommend it as a viable option in the norm but it does work in a pinch as with the unusual shape of my lathe handle. As one who has much more machining skill and experience than I do I just wanted your take on it. It’s all too easy to end up with a tool in the face or elsewhere if proper caution isn’t applied.
Awesome video and according to my trained observing eye all was done well loolololo
Hi Scott, your trained eye, got to watch myself, you're watching... lol
Cheers to you and Tera...!!!
@@pierresgarage2687 ha he
5/8" holders will work fine on AXA as well.
Oh...!!! I'm learning something here, was sure AXA was only for 1/2" , great news for smaller lathe owners, those shanks will also work for them, this is a real good set for the $$...
Thanks for your input, Pierre
Nice video,
But I'm struggling with the forest of inserts and when to use these inserts. All of them can be used for turning or boring or facing or grooving. For example: turning with ... 90° or 85° or 75° ... aproching angle.
And then the positief, neutral or negatief angle.
Hi, I get your point, inserts are quite numerous, lots of configurations and shapes, can't promise, but it would be interesting to give a basic understanding of how to sort things out in the most commonly used shape of inserts...
Those tutorials are quite demanding and need some thinking ahead, I'll put that on the "To do" videos long list...
Also depends a lot with what size of a lathe you're using, material you're turning, etc...
Just as an example: In this video, used a steel insert to cut Aluminium, wasn't ideal, a better insert for Al is an insert with a sharped edge and more agressive angle of attack, you need to look for an insert they say is for Al, then take a closer look at the cutting edges...
Manufactueres will often give some good descriptions of the intented use for their product.
@@pierresgarage2687 That is just my Point, I'm new at this. But I use these same 250-201 toolholder 16x16mm insertholder.
Most of al is hot rolled steel.
I have trouble to find steel that can be harden. Here in Belgium you need to be a manufacturer to get the good stuff. And it is very expensive to get small amounts
Here also, small amounts are very costly. Depending on the alloy, hardenable steel is basicly from 3 to 8 times or more expensive than regular hot rolled steel, one possible source would be some local a machine shop that has some surplus or would be willing to order some for you. Just be carefull with your machining parameters not to harden your material as you machine it, then, it will be hell to get rid of that hardened surface.
There is a lot of work you can do using HSS tools, mostly with AL you'll get great finish as a bonus, also it will give you good feel for how materials behaves at very low cost, then, you introduce the use of inserts as you gain experience, this will save you quite some breakage... As for HSS, try finding HSS with Cobalt content, it's much more durable. A good source for HSS would be local adds from people getting rid of lots of tools in old tool boxes.
I can tell you first hand the 16x16 WILL NOT fit into the 250-101 tool holder. I picked up a cheapy AXA holder and just going to open her up to hold these cheap tools. If it's like the rest of the chinese stuff, it's made out of ramen noodles and harden cat poop. I'm not tossing out my aloris AXA tool post at this point. Great video.
Chinese products are as good as what we order, they manufacture just about everything you use, if you order the good stuff it's good, but, if you get the lousy stuff, then you get lower quality tools, as far as I had the chance to experiment, those tools are quite decent for less critical manufacturing or serious hobby use.