IMO, these CVO bikes were rushed into production early to benefit HD bottom line for 2023. Customers are doing the validation HD should have done before releasing the bikes. At least Harley is recalling for fixes instead of making proper updates and SELLING an upgrade kit to early adopters like they usually do.
The old adage also applies, "Never buy a new-to-market model, wait for a few". There are always issues that need to be ironed out. There is a lot of new stuff on those bikes and the motor and that scares me.
My problem is that I am an "early adopter". I couldn't resist buying it! It's a fantastic motorcycle. HD needs to do a better job of responding to the issues. I imagine that it must be difficult, but the issues need to be resolved.
I am compelled to ask. Why on earth does anyone NEED to upgrade the top of the line(presumably) CVO??? Would you buy a Ferrari and upgrade it to what?? A mothership?🤣🤣🤣 They cultivated the market so we HAVE to finish their bikes… For the mentioned $15000 mark up I’d buy another bike from a reputable manufacturer to do different riding ie adventure or crotch rocket riding… Good video my friend and from a Vet to another thank you for your service🫡🇺🇸
No one "needs" to upgrade". It's a choice. I like to customize my bike. I have also done some customization to my Shelby Mustang too. I think it's a Harley thing. Thank you for your service!
Unless of course she buys it for you. Then try convincing your buddies that you ride with it she’s the one that got it for you. Unfortunate to have a wife who I guess likes motorcycles. She bought my last two for me. It’s crazy. Great channel 1st time watching just subscribe.
Apple only. No android GPS, streaming doesn't work (or cell GPS) very well in the mountains and deserts of AZ. HD had issues with Google maps so that's one reason for no GPS on Android. I'd just have to subscribe. It's a beautiful bike otherwise. I'm thinking of compromises to talk myself into it. Only have 16K on my 22 RG with all these features. Hard decision. Not a money issue, it's a compromise issue.
This is a link to another channel. This guy managed to get Android Auto on the screen. Tell him I sent you! ruclips.net/video/u2OnoH7v-E8/видео.htmlsi=odQcSMn970m7OOXq
The CVO bikes are never a good purchase decision. The price to value over the regular limited and special variations aren't worth the squeeze, unless you just want to say that you own a CVO.
EXACTLY. But these dudes want to feel all special. And maintain some RUclips relevancy. LOL. We're just as bad supporting them with views and comments. Ha!
Vid says it was posted 2 mos ago but content seems to reference 2023 models. However great info here. Think I may wait now after hearing all these issues and concerns. How funny the 2023 Cvos are being discounted everywhere and some dealers are custom painting them just to try to move them. Maybe 2025 cvo is my target. Waiting to purchase but I don’t want to be the guinea pig on a 50k+ purchase.
I love my bike. It's easily the most fun Harley that I have owned. Yes there are glitches, but if you can wait while Harley figures them out, you will be fine
Well, when you spend that much on a bike, you're gonna find some positives that "outweigh" allllll those negatives. We understand your approach though. (wink)
Like your videos.. good work... The screen/OS on the dash is BUGGY as hell.... No starts, freezes and so on.... BTW I got mine at San Francisco HD and straight MSRP with no addons... I rode 200 miles to get the bike. Shout out for Miranda the sales manager......
One point to add or change is shop your dealers. I’m getting a WN RG for well below sticker with discounts on accessories.They area bargain when dealers aren’t selling them.
I like that HD came out with the new CVO's to compete with the Indian Challengers...But iam stuck in the Old School Rider's mind set...Give me the old Analog Gauges on top of the tank and 0 infotainment assys.... infotainment
Good video. If I was in the market for a new Harley, the five reasons not to buy, wouldn’t stop me. IJS. I like HD’s I just love my Wing more. And much as I love it…it has flaws too.
I never buy a new-to-market model. Years ago I bought a vehicle and learned that lesson. You have a backrest! The bike is now an official Geezer bike! LOL, I won't own a bike without one!
I test rode one out in Sturgis last August. I really did like it. I still can’t afford that much, but if I could, I’d probably buy it. I have to stick with the old Ultra Limited I own (2022). It’s fun too.
@@RidingandWrenching I do. I enjoy trying out all the new stuff. Maybe one day the numbers will all be right, but for now I’m having a blast on mine. I have a feeling we will bump into each other one of these days. I’ve been at events and bumped into the dude from “Be the Boss of Your Own Motorcycle” and at the same events as others I’ve seen you do videos with too. Have a blessed one, man!
Another great video Cue! New seat looks fantastic! Also, absolutely love the shirt!! You're one of the few people I know who can "legitimately" wear that shirt. Ride safe ride often and keep motovlogging! Glen
#1 reason I'm not getting a new cvo is cause I don't have a garage for the garage door feature lol does that tell you anything? I'll keep riding my 07 Electra glide until the economy picks back up
great video! I just bought my '18 Fat Bob from Suburban in November and had a chance to check out the new CVOs they had. Very nice but well out of my price range. If you live around here let's hookup for a ride sometime! Thanks again for great content.
I love mine besides acouple hiccups with infotainment center had no problems it's by far the best bike they have made I love the old bikes I still have one that I love but the cvo is light-years ahead
I have no idea! I'm looking forward to the reveal on the 24th. I've seen something that said there will be a CVO version of the Pan-America. I'm not sure about the RG3
Here is what I dont like about these new LED screens in the motorcycle or car dash. I would rather have the old style analog gauge instead of the new digital gauge on an LED screen. To make a LED tach or speedo to look like an analog gauge is pointless. What I want on my large LED screen is Google Maps. If HD cannot deliver flawless Hi resolution Google Maps then their big screen is a fail.
technically you can get google maps, but you would have to do it through an iPhone. It was Googles decision to withdraw support for Android Auto. I agree with your point about mimicking analog gauges. I like the digital display though. It has been working well (minus the bugs)
I recently heard a comment made on RUclips that said cars are now computers with wheels. I just want my auto or motorcycle infotainment as powerful as my cell phone . I dont think thats asking too much. If HD needs to become partners with Apple, or Tesla or Google or Sony or Android Etc.... So be it. @@RidingandWrenching
Sorry but these bikes are ugly. Technology is killing these motorcycles combined with the overpriced and ridiculous cost to maintain and repair. When the headlight burns out on my 2003 Fat Boy, $12. My 2021 RG, $800. The new CVO RG, $1750. They do fail, believe me. I just replaced my 2021 RG headlight at 22,000 miles.
Ouch!!!! That hurt! I love my CVO! But I also love that new CVO ST! I was looking at one today......I will tell you that I purchased a new bike while I was at the dealership....won't say what I got yet!
IMO, these CVO bikes were rushed into production early to benefit HD bottom line for 2023. Customers are doing the validation HD should have done before releasing the bikes. At least Harley is recalling for fixes instead of making proper updates and SELLING an upgrade kit to early adopters like they usually do.
The old adage also applies, "Never buy a new-to-market model, wait for a few". There are always issues that need to be ironed out. There is a lot of new stuff on those bikes and the motor and that scares me.
My problem is that I am an "early adopter". I couldn't resist buying it! It's a fantastic motorcycle. HD needs to do a better job of responding to the issues. I imagine that it must be difficult, but the issues need to be resolved.
I am compelled to ask. Why on earth does anyone NEED to upgrade the top of the line(presumably) CVO??? Would you buy a Ferrari and upgrade it to what?? A mothership?🤣🤣🤣 They cultivated the market so we HAVE to finish their bikes… For the mentioned $15000 mark up I’d buy another bike from a reputable manufacturer to do different riding ie adventure or crotch rocket riding… Good video my friend and from a Vet to another thank you for your service🫡🇺🇸
No one "needs" to upgrade". It's a choice. I like to customize my bike. I have also done some customization to my Shelby Mustang too. I think it's a Harley thing. Thank you for your service!
The REAL #1 reason not to buy a Harley CVO.... You didn't get your wife's permission! LOL
True!!
Unless of course she buys it for you. Then try convincing your buddies that you ride with it she’s the one that got it for you. Unfortunate to have a wife who I guess likes motorcycles. She bought my last two for me. It’s crazy. Great channel 1st time watching just subscribe.
@@grgygantz6760 thank you! I get grief with any new bike! Mine would never buy a bike for me!
Why would one need accessories for a CVO??
No one "needs" accessories. It's just a part of what makes owning a Harley special. You get to "make the bike your own"
The lack of Limited is making me wait a few years.
Agreed. I was hoping that a limited model would be released this year
No satellite radio or accessories outlet either. Pay fee for GPS. Really wanted one but bummed about these other things.
You can stream Satellite from your phone. I also use Nav from my phone, but it's nice to have built in GPS if there is no cell service
Apple only. No android GPS, streaming doesn't work (or cell GPS) very well in the mountains and deserts of AZ. HD had issues with Google maps so that's one reason for no GPS on Android. I'd just have to subscribe. It's a beautiful bike otherwise. I'm thinking of compromises to talk myself into it. Only have 16K on my 22 RG with all these features. Hard decision. Not a money issue, it's a compromise issue.
This is a link to another channel. This guy managed to get Android Auto on the screen. Tell him I sent you!
ruclips.net/video/u2OnoH7v-E8/видео.htmlsi=odQcSMn970m7OOXq
I would never buy a C V O but thats me 😂
The CVO bikes are never a good purchase decision. The price to value over the regular limited and special variations aren't worth the squeeze, unless you just want to say that you own a CVO.
EXACTLY. But these dudes want to feel all special. And maintain some RUclips relevancy. LOL. We're just as bad supporting them with views and comments. Ha!
@heybruh3274 you really took a lot of words to simply type "im poor and jealous" gtfo
Vid says it was posted 2 mos ago but content seems to reference 2023 models. However great info here. Think I may wait now after hearing all these issues and concerns. How funny the 2023 Cvos are being discounted everywhere and some dealers are custom painting them just to try to move them. Maybe 2025 cvo is my target. Waiting to purchase but I don’t want to be the guinea pig on a 50k+ purchase.
I love my bike. It's easily the most fun Harley that I have owned. Yes there are glitches, but if you can wait while Harley figures them out, you will be fine
The CVO in California is like $50,000…… ridiculous the new 117 …they are $30,000 in California
Dealerships can apply any markup that consumers are willing to pay. Be sure to shop around.
Well, when you spend that much on a bike, you're gonna find some positives that "outweigh" allllll those negatives. We understand your approach though. (wink)
yea right!
One of the more intelligent, knowledgeable, gentleman on RUclips however, I'm not sure we saw you in Las Vegas, with the rest of the Hooligans - 🤣
You didn't see me? I was the water boy😂
ITALY. The HD didn't send any instruction manual to the dealers. Greeting from Rome
Thank you!
Like your videos.. good work... The screen/OS on the dash is BUGGY as hell.... No starts, freezes and so on.... BTW I got mine at San Francisco HD and straight MSRP with no addons... I rode 200 miles to get the bike. Shout out for Miranda the sales manager......
I got mine in Milwaukee. Almost 600 miles from home!
Personally I would want the cvo limited. Your paying that much it should come with all the bells and whistles 😮
agreed!
One point to add or change is shop your dealers. I’m getting a WN RG for well below sticker with discounts on accessories.They area bargain when dealers aren’t selling them.
that's a great deal
I like that HD came out with the new CVO's to compete with the Indian Challengers...But iam stuck in the Old School Rider's mind set...Give me the old Analog Gauges on top of the tank and 0 infotainment assys.... infotainment
Thanks for the honest lists, the second five are enough to scare me away.
I get it....Hopefully, HD will get the issues resolved soon.
Yep, my local dealer wants $73k
yikes! That bike is going to sit there for a while.
Five reasons for me; it's simply not a good price/value relationship . . . period.
Love the shirt. 😂😂
Thanks! My wife bought this one. I have a few more that I will be wearing in future videos! Stay tuned
I enjoy that you have good content and you aren't riding around on your bike talking through wind noice like other motorcycle RUclipsrs.
If I could find a way to get quality audio in my helmet, I might try it, but I like my format, so I'm sticking with it!
@@RidingandWrenchingPurple Panda mic kit works wonders.
Good video. If I was in the market for a new Harley, the five reasons not to buy, wouldn’t stop me. IJS. I like HD’s I just love my Wing more. And much as I love it…it has flaws too.
I love mine so far! HD needs to hire some people in quality with a backbone so that they don't have so many issues with future releases.
All good reasons. Thats a nice seat!
Thanks!
Great points Cue. The seats also look awesome!
I never buy a new-to-market model. Years ago I bought a vehicle and learned that lesson. You have a backrest! The bike is now an official Geezer bike! LOL, I won't own a bike without one!
Every bike I have has a back rest! Guess that makes me a geezer!
I test rode one out in Sturgis last August. I really did like it. I still can’t afford that much, but if I could, I’d probably buy it. I have to stick with the old Ultra Limited I own (2022). It’s fun too.
Sounds like you have a great bike!
@@RidingandWrenching I do. I enjoy trying out all the new stuff. Maybe one day the numbers will all be right, but for now I’m having a blast on mine. I have a feeling we will bump into each other one of these days. I’ve been at events and bumped into the dude from “Be the Boss of Your Own Motorcycle” and at the same events as others I’ve seen you do videos with too. Have a blessed one, man!
Another great video Cue! New seat looks fantastic! Also, absolutely love the shirt!! You're one of the few people I know who can "legitimately" wear that shirt. Ride safe ride often and keep motovlogging! Glen
Thank you sir! Wait till you see my next batch of shirts. My daughter has a sense of humor like mine....
#1 reason I'm not getting a new cvo is cause I don't have a garage for the garage door feature lol does that tell you anything? I'll keep riding my 07 Electra glide until the economy picks back up
No garage....No CVO for you! (Seinfeld reference!)
great video! I just bought my '18 Fat Bob from Suburban in November and had a chance to check out the new CVOs they had. Very nice but well out of my price range. If you live around here let's hookup for a ride sometime! Thanks again for great content.
I come to Milwaukee a couple times during the summer. I live in Memphis. Maybe this summer sometime!
awesome keep in touch and ride safe!@@RidingandWrenching
No breakout cvo.
Maybe next year!
The accuracy 🤝🏾
Thank you!
Need that shirt.
I think my wife bought this on amazon.
I love mine besides acouple hiccups with infotainment center had no problems it's by far the best bike they have made I love the old bikes I still have one that I love but the cvo is light-years ahead
Agreed! It's an incredible bike.
I live in California and they are discounting them. Bike sales are slow in my area.
They are discounted in TN too. I saw $15k markups in the summer though. Hopefully those are all behind us
Q, do you think Harley will have a CVO Road Glide 3?🤔
I have no idea! I'm looking forward to the reveal on the 24th. I've seen something that said there will be a CVO version of the Pan-America. I'm not sure about the RG3
Reason number 1. I'm broke bebe. 🤑
I did the same seat combination to Bad Boyz. It's an unbelievable product. I love mine. You will too. Back rest is a game changer too. Enjoy. Stuart
So far, it's been great! I've been waiting for an opportunity to take it for a long ride, but the weather sucks!
Same here. Weekends bring out the bad weather.
Nice job on the seat
I bought mine at cost plus 5% on veterans day. Dealers are desperate right now so it's easy to take advantage.
That's a great deal!
Good video! But GREAT SHIRT!!!
Thank you sir! That shirt is my wife's way of calling me a know it all!😂
Enjoy the 23 CVO content! Thanks!
Thank you!
I'm waiting to see what colors they release in the future
LOL - because that's all we need are colors we like. Bwaaaaa haaaaaa
Here is what I dont like about these new LED screens in the motorcycle or car dash. I would rather have the old style analog gauge instead of the new digital gauge on an LED screen. To make a LED tach or speedo to look like an analog gauge is pointless. What I want on my large LED screen is Google Maps. If HD cannot deliver flawless Hi resolution Google Maps then their big screen is a fail.
technically you can get google maps, but you would have to do it through an iPhone. It was Googles decision to withdraw support for Android Auto. I agree with your point about mimicking analog gauges. I like the digital display though. It has been working well (minus the bugs)
I recently heard a comment made on RUclips that said cars are now computers with wheels. I just want my auto or motorcycle infotainment as powerful as my cell phone . I dont think thats asking too much. If HD needs to become partners with Apple, or Tesla or Google or Sony or Android Etc.... So be it. @@RidingandWrenching
Yep, when that screen goes out, you have ZERO backup system(s) to get you home.
That seat and backrest looks really good 👍🏾
Thank you sir!
Thanks for this video Cue, I think you made this video for me.
When are you getting your bike! 😂
Adulting sucks. Have other matters to take care of right now but could have gotten it this past 4th quarter.
if you only put 1500 miles a year on it
I do a little more than 1500. I generally ride about 20,000 miles per year
Great video and information 👍🏾
Thanks bro!
Nice seats thanks for the info
No problem 👍
Happy New Year Cue!
Same to you!
Not a fan of this design, it was lazy and rushed they could have done better, the whole department should be fired for this mess .
I like the design. My issue is the poor execution.
Sorry but these bikes are ugly. Technology is killing these motorcycles combined with the overpriced and ridiculous cost to maintain and repair. When the headlight burns out on my 2003 Fat Boy, $12. My 2021 RG, $800. The new CVO RG, $1750. They do fail, believe me. I just replaced my 2021 RG headlight at 22,000 miles.
The 2024 HD lineup is strong. Unload your FUGLY silver CVO and the the Raven Black CVO ST.
Ouch!!!! That hurt! I love my CVO! But I also love that new CVO ST! I was looking at one today......I will tell you that I purchased a new bike while I was at the dealership....won't say what I got yet!
I feel your pain. The 121 High Output is a beast. @@RidingandWrenching
Heck no, the platinum is a beautiful color. Stealthy
@@RidingandWrenchingdon’t listen, I love the platinum, stealthy lookin