India just tested the 700km Air launched brahmos today ! Also india has 40 sukhoi's that can carry the brahmos and also they have the surface launched ER range brahmos that is good for 600km if not more.
I doubt that they will be able to reliably detect and track a target at that range tbh. It's one of the major flaws of hypersonics that I always say. The extreme range will give the defenders a lot of time to break the kill chain i.e. break lock, kill whatever's targetting them etc.
I may be wrong but I thought that Indian Rafale's had Meteor and Mica and that Derby was used on SU-30 and MIG-29 with a mix of it a R-77 and soon Astra, so I dont think Derby would be the only missile used, but I know how hard it is to set up regular DCS without mods so this battle is still really great.
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The reported speed of Brahmos is 3-3.5 mach and not mach 2.0 just, 2) I don’t think the Israelis have permitted the Derby’s to be used on Sukhois so that’s wrong and the flankers would be carrying Indian Astra instead. 3) Brahmos is a joint indo Russian project and the missile is named after the initials of the two country’s major rivers I.e. Brahmaputra of India and I think Moskava or something of Russia( so it’s not a sale of kh61 version)
Vikrant is smaller than their Chinese counterparts. Not to forget Chinese have more carrier. If INS Vishal is inducted tho, that would make it a equal war rather than a defensive one.
As of now India currently has meteor aam which is used on the rafale. And brahmos has a max speed of mach 3+ with a range of about 400km and and extended range with about 600+km is being tested.
No, it does not travel in mach 3.2 and tested, not operational, and theoretically 5 meter, in reality fighter because the sea state is a thing, if a Brahmos hit a wave it crash…and it’s often 5 m waves in the open sea.
What I find a bit funny about the scenario is that the Brahmos is going to be acquired by the Philippines so in a hot war, the carrier group might be already shot at with the missile on it's way
Why the hell would the Philippines want to start a war with China? China is by far the Philippine's largest trade partner and a major strategic partner.
India would have the numbers advantage in the air, land based anti air systems reaching out and the Indian navy. You've given China huge advantage in this scenario
@@chuckfarley4130 you can't buy land in sea. In Indian Ocean, Indian can fire too many Land based Brahmos. We have MR and XR Sam to shoot down and aircraft comming in our air space. We are not going to fight in black see.
india has astra missile as fox 3 used by su30mki which is not seen in this simulation, astra range is arround 120 kms and bhramos speed is mach 3 to mach 4.5
2:09 not just a paint job it exceeds speed of mach 3.5+ and the air launch and navy version have more range which is 300-500km already in service.. Even the missile without any explosive warhead can split open a ship with kinetic impact itself. The missile is already tested (miss fired) on Pakistan in 2022 was air-force version but it was a ground launched version.
Really appreciate all the hard work that's going into creating modernised aircraft, weapons systems etc. - *Especially* that you're making a massive effort to make them as realistic as possible. That's why it's so entertaining and why many of us can't get enough of it! Maybe it'd be worth simulating the air defences that would be protecting the air bases, AWACS etc. to stop (in this case) the red side unrealistically following the blues all the way back to base?
Brilliant battle! LOVE the new tech! I hope the Type 45 vessels also coming soon, because Iam pretty sure it will be much more better(Aster 15, Aster 30(Range 120km) and there is an another missile which is capable of mach 10+ interception. Ballistic missile defence.) and it will get its new anti-ship missiles(the Naval Strike Missile from 2023) than what you have now in the game. So you can finally create a UK and US vs Chinese and Russian CSG battle. :D
I always wonder if the cost of weapons is even close to reality or if they are grossly inflated to allow the arms industry to suck up as much money from the taxpayer as possible. I will go with the latter.
They have to take profits, but i don't believe they make like 300% on a missile. You are paying for the materials, the amount of r&d it took to develop, labour, etc it all adds up
Man kh61 or p800 is as different from brahmos as su27 is from su30 and su35. Russia needed range of 800km hence less speed of 2.5 Mach whereas India's enemies are near so don't need much range and rather opted for speed with min 2.8 mach to 3.2 mach but with 450 km range when launched from ground, sea and from submarines underwater and 600-700 km when launched from air. Russia don't have air varient or p800 could easily reach 1000km. So, different demand hence different product but of same family.
Good Simulation Guyz. But, I guess we should not be using kh61/Oniks instead of Brahmos. Brahmos is superior to kh61. I may sound Indian but this is a fact, when PL-15 can be simulated, Brahmos should be done too. Brahmos has very low sea skimming height/high maneuverability with Mach 3 speed and improved guidance. Kh61 is not brahmos guyz, no need to get disappointed. This simulation almost gives a real rush. Will see more of your videos.😊
The latest brahmos has a range of 700 km air launched and a speed of mach 2.8 And the rafale has been upgraded with gallium nitride jammers to combat aesa equipped fighters.
@SHASHWAT SINGH I agree that the that Astra is better than Derby but India bought the Derby as a stop gap ,until they had enough Rafales with Meteor and Astra had finished development, for the exact reason that the AIM-120 out ranged the version of the R-77 they had during the air battle in 2019 forcing one MKI pilot to dodge 6-7 missiles with out being able to fire (that MKI pilot is a true legand).
Hey guys, when you do eventually get the Type 55, keep in mind that they probably would not stack a carrier group with 6 of them. They in fact only have 8 such ships at the moment, spread across different fleets.
Good video and I appreciate all the work put in it, just a note that India is currently developing brahmos NG that will be half the weight of present brahmos and 2/3rd of the size so that a single Su30Mki can carry 3 of those missiles with same extended range. Also I was thinking if china is attacking our coast don't we have coast guards big ships and our naval assets with ground launched brahmos and other defences. At the end it was very nice to watch this episode.
Dont even bother buddy, here in this video they are giving maximum speed of brahmos as 2.5 mach (biggest joke) as it is one of the fastest supersonic missile (mach 3.5-4.5). Very easy. And one guy is acquiring a freaking supersonic missile and even shooting it with AAM. HAHA
Great video as always! The only thing that caught my eye was China will always win this matchup. They had double the checks and six escort ships versus half the aircraft, which were then split again with only half air-to-air. A larger Indian attack force would make it spicier.
You forgot Indian aircraft carrier loaded with Brahmos? Submarines? Frigates...it will never be possible for China to come this close with their carrier haha
@@Ayush-vy2kq No, obviously not, they probably can’t sail that far and the ships would sink by themself? Or, would a real Chinese attack have more destroyers and frigates in the strike force then India have total ships? And supported by cruise/ballistic missiles and drone strikes that rained down on Indian bases and ships a month before China attack?
@@ananddarnal6702Nice, do that, and the Chinese sail around… Or start the war when their navy already are in the Indian Ocean, bypassing Andaman totally?
Indians gonna get pissed in the comments lol! My apologies, as an Indian for any butthurt Indians here. Keep up the great videos my friend :) Love your scenarios and looking forward to more.
I’m not Indian and I’m not pissed but I do find this scenario a little off. I don’t believe they could stop bramos that easily. I’m not saying they could have sunk the whole fleet but I also don’t think only 1 would make it through 🤷♂️
You don't have to be so apologetic. I don't know why most Indians especially people like you have so much inferiority complex. Always apologizing everywhere even if nothing has happened...
I just watched the video about the dust up between China and India over some contested mountain territory. None of them had rifles or any firearms, just clubs and fist. Now THAT is old school combat! But those small skirmishes are what lead up to full scale battles like we're watching here. I get the magazine Proceedings and they have had several military analyst that believe the next conflict will be between India and China. Territory, resources and trade routes.
I doubt that luckily. These small border skirmishes have been going on for over 70 years and have never escalated beyond small scuffles and unarmed fist-fights. The current border between China and India was unilaterally drawn by the British during India's colonial period, without doing an actual survey of the area. China and India later disagreed on this British-setup border, and India gained control of Arunachal Pradesh while China gained control of Aksai Chin. China is proposing a settlement of the disputes, with China giving up claims on Arunachal Pradesh and India giving up claims on Aksai Chin, meaning that both countries would simply acknowledge the reality of how these territories have been administered ever since the areas had been liberated from British occupation. However, India has so far refused. I suppose this is due to domestic political considerations, but considering that these areas are of little value anyways and that one de facto already belongs to India and the other de facto already belongs to China, it would be such a simple solution to ease tensions. Hopefully, cool heads will prevail and agree to a peaceful compromise.
Well india would simply use its land based brahmos squadrons, brahmos in the Indian destroyers and frigates , instead of sending fightets. Instead of fighters the drones would do the reconnaissance so loses will be lower and small drones would be harder to detect. And plus the land based air defence systems like akash , Barak-8, s-400. And india would launch many other low cost uavs, kamikaze drones, other decoy missiles and most importantly ballistic missiles.
The I-Derby ER is from Israel, not the EU. You should change the flag in that missile overview. Also, the MICA comes in IR and Radar (RF) guided versions, so the empty stations on a Rafale where no Meteor could be carried - they could carry MICA RF.
Why did not the destroyers open fire? It’s just a fast missile, no problem to detect it and get a lock, plenty of missiles in the ships that can shoot it down.
Good video, but brahmos is not the same missile it has supersonic speed through out the flight 1km/sec in which it can maneuver, it has upgraded seeker and avionics which provides pinpoint accuracy and superior flight characteristics, and aslo imples some level of stealth.
I love me some Wargames. The financial expenditure counter is a great addition. Another fantastic video and step forward in quality from the Grim Reapers :)
Cap: "If all those Brahmos' had gotten through everything would be dead." Maybe, if the missiles locked onto different ships but the ones that did get through all went for one destroyer. We have seen that a lot of these naval battles where many missiles will get through but will slam into the same ship over and over turning what would have been an annihilation of a fleet into a much smaller loss. I think one thing these Wargames have shown us is that having anti-ship missiles that can communicate with one another and deconflict/spread out their attack on multiple ships is absolutely essential in the future. I've learned a lot from these simulations. Very informative.
Reality is pretty different! Brahmos actually showcase it's capabilities in Mia chanu! Where unarmed brahmos got misfired (test fired for a reason) in Pakistan !! As a result : every single AD is failed to intercept it! And it hit Pak deep inside 124 KM! And the noticable things are! All the air defence systems which Pak have is advance Chinese AD which china is using for there warships !
Rafale can carry much more meteor than 4. Its just that 4 is the current configuration for the french air force because there is a low number of meteor in active service
So back to the age old question. Which is better? Supersonic anti-ship or subsonic stealth anti-ship? Brahmos or Lrasm? I hope there's a DCS showdown made on this topic.
@@Tounguepunchfartbox looks like China already unveiled world first hypersonic anti-ship missile YJ-21.... so we have LRASM... Brahmos.. YJ-12... YJ-21... I hope this is like in the tortoise vs hare story where the tortoise will win. I know we have a very sneaky tortoise but somehow not very convinced tortoise gonna win this time.
Brohmos speed is 3.5 Mack not 2.5... Range is 450 miles today Less than 1 m accuracy can dive at 90° at end Ancient 😂 rights... And fighter jet missile destroy brohmos at 3.5 is joke😄...jet speed are 2 mack
I always have same problem with these set pcs. Attack happens from 1 direction. Do this attack from 2 directions (something that was proven in ww2) and send the anti ships first they fire coming in low and turn back. the Anti air component comes 2nd and gives dilemma to defenders on whether to counter anti air or anti ships.
3:29 Yo Cap talking about engines please keep in mind The F-15EX has General Electric F110 Engines! Making it faster and more fuel efficient than The F-15C and E! ;)
That shooting down sea skimming supersonic missiles sure looks realistic. Lmao. Also sukhois now use Astra missiles and not Mica or whatever fox 3 these Su30 mki were using.
It would be extremely interesting if in a cost battle like this the battle would continue and we would see the ships using long range atg missiles e.x. tomahawks,kh's ext. The ground forces have a few sams to fight them. And in wave 3 or in another video altogether attacking bandits who survived would also go back to the carrier and rearm to atg configurations trying to destroy a couple airbases or headquarters. With the rest of the Indians in this case trying to minimaze the damage with whatever they can scramble and rearm. Tho it will probably turn out to be an hour long video:)
Also...India now has the Astra Mk-I and Mk-II and Mk-III are on their way. Plus the Scalp cruise missile with 350 km to 500 km range. Also the Rudram anti - radiation missiles which would also lock horns with AWACS and ship radar systems. India also has new anti ship missile coming from MBDA. So a lot more strike capability!
Nice use of the latest Military Tech here Cap. (Note - seems like a lot of draw with the use of Indian tech). Seems there a few more capabilities to be modelled for Team India. Have always wondered, do you take into account Maximum Carrier Take-Off Weight when loading out the carrier planes ? I had prior read that Chinese AC planes could only take off with about 50% of fuel and 50% of ordinance. Does the new EMAL allow 100% ? GREAT video - way fun.
India does have long range AAMs. Su 30 standard BVR load out is R-77VV-AE. They also sometimes carry R-27R1/ER1. Both types are being replaced by Astra Mk1. Range wise these are AMRAAM class or thereabouts. Rafale carries Meteor. When it comes to WVRAAM, Su-30s carry R-73, whereas Rafale carries MICA in both RF guided and IR guided versions. BTW it doesn’t seem plausible that a BVRAAM would pick out a sea skimming Mach 3 AshM…
Thanks for letting the end play out. I had a good laugh at the j-15 running into the rafale on the runway. AWACS aren't cheap. I did a search for "awacs price". First thing to come up was a story about India procuring 2x AWACS from Israel for a total of $1,000,000,000. Unreal. I'm always impressed with the guys who pilot the B-2s, just for the fact those planes are 2 billion I think a piece. I couldn't imagine having that in my hands.
@Grim Reapers IIRC, the Brahmos only has a range of arnd 120km when in full sea skimming mode and 300km in a hi-hi-lo flight pattern which makes it much easier to detect and shoot down. In full sea-skimming mode for the air-launched version it will prob be arnd 200km because it will have to accelerate less than in ground launched.
Depends if the extended range version of Brahmos are being used, afaik they are extending range in phases being 450km, 600km, 800km. 800km being the full range achieved by Russian sister missile Oniks.
Great 👍 simulation. A Request and few points I like to add. A video with defender and attacker reverse role. Its highly unlikely for Chinese navy to be in Indian Ocean. Rather Indian navy in South China sea since China has neighbors are their enemies and friends to India. Usually defender are more in numbers especially in case of navy operations. Also you gave Chinese navy future capability where emals equipped aircraft is operational. But for India you didn't equip them with present capability since you missed on Astra 1,2 bvr missile, brahmos missile with lower speed and range than actual and even greater capability in testing, and are other anti ship missile. Plus anti ship package are always guarded by other fighters. There a slim chance of 3.5 + mach air breathing brahmos be shot by 4.5 + mach pl15 in tail chase mode and that to at sea level where aircraft is below mach 1 so pl15 would need time to reach its maximum speed. Important note: whatever Indian import from foreign country is highly customized than original equipment so its better than equipment operated by that foreign country be Rafale, su30, apache or brahmos.
20:20 IAF's Su-30MKI fleet use the Astra Mk.1 as their primary BVRAAM along with the KIRNITI SAP-518 EW Pods. Thus, the Astra Mk.1 become a feasible BVRAAM cause the opponent cannot shoot down a Su-30MKI until it gets past the EW Pods' jamming.
@SHASHWAT SINGH Bro, if the Su-30MKI is carrying its Israeli EL/M-8222 Jammer, opposing fighter cannot fire until the burn past its jamming. That’s around 100-80 Kilometers. Thus, even if the opposing fighter is carrying that PL-21 missile, it will still not be able to use its range advantage. But it’s heavy weight will not allow it to maneuver. Contrastingly, India’s light and fast Astra Mk1 can easily shoot down the opposing fighter. That is why it makes such a big difference.
Is it possible to war-game an EQUAL IN COST: in as many billions as the servers will allow: NATO v BRICS carrier groups in Straits of Malacca or Hormuz? -India +Iran +Argentina +Israel for NATO
Well the scenario is biased and unrealistic. He didn't factor in the presence of indian naval assets and he used lesser no. Of aircraft to counter a larger force.
01:40 Oh thank goodness you pronounced the French fighter name correctly ! Not like the christian first name "Raphaël", but like the french word "Rafale" for a gust of wind or a machine-gun burst. Nobody in the english-speaking world gets it right, Kudos !
And about that Brahmos, you did'nt consider one being fired from a Submarine did ya?? The Indian Ocean is fraught with Scorpene class Subs equipped with Submarine launched Brahmos and don't forget the Torpedoes before any of that
It can't. It only has the interface capable of connecting with Meteor on 4 points. They're currently reviewing this and may add another 2, but it can't hold 8 because the other points aren't strong enough. Any diagram with 10 is nonsense.
Why in game PL 15 has a range of 122 Nm or 225 Km which isn't even real. Where actually in recent documents shows a range in the ball park of 80 Nm or 145 Km. It's kinda impossible to have a range of 122 Nm in that size and diameter even if it's using a dual pulse rocket motor...
@@bussolini6307 Yup .... I know that. But If you see it is completely impossible to have 80 km more range over its export variant which has similar dimensions. Mate it's physics you can put a finite amount of propellant in that finite dimension. It is possible to have max 20 km more range over its export counterpart but 80km is comical... And sounds like propaganda.
The Brahmos in real life is alleged to be a stealthy, supersonic anti ship missile. So I think in DCS the KH 61 when used in battles like these should be modified to have a slightly stealthy nature. Ofcourse not as much as LRASM but definitely better than most missiles.
It can't. It only has the interface capable of connecting with Meteor on 4 points. They're currently reviewing this and may add another 2, but it can't hold 8 because the other points aren't strong enough.
Simba is only half correct, the Rafale pilot both ejected and didn't. At 28:18 you can still see him sitting quite happily in his cockpit as it burns while simultaneously floating in his parachute! Simba managed to faceplant the concrete in the top right :).
One interesting thing to note is that in the war against Ukraine, Russia repeatedly threatens to use nuclear weapons. If Ukraine was possessing nuclear weapons able to survive a first strike, Russia would not have dared to invade it. Same is going to be the story with Taiwan. As for India it should invest heavily to be able to obliterate its enemies in a second strike. If that is assured no country on planet is going to attack it in the first place. Waging a conventional war under the nuclear umbrella is feasible if one side does not possess nuclear weapons or if their nuclear weapons are wiped in a first strike.
Brahmos can take a sharp 90-degree turn as it did in the apparent accidental launch of a Brahmos inside Pakistani territory. So, you forgot to include the manoeuvrability of Brahmos. The missile also coincidentally avoided the populated area and accurately landed on an empty factory. China would be extremely lucky to even shoot down a single Brahmos. Ohh, and I forgot to mention that Brahmos' speed is 3-3.5 mach, not 2 mach.
Brahmos is a great missile (one of the best current ashms) but the chinese sam net on their ships is extremely advanced, almost as advanced as US Aegis system, so shooting down mach 3-3.5 manuvering missiles would be very doable. Current US simulations show that 1 Brahmos has about a 35% chance (the best of any simulated threat) to get through the defense network of 1 unsupported Burke class destroyer, so a 053C of the PLAN would do just a little worse.
I already said that the USN carried out hundreds of simulations of 1 Aegis Burke destroyer vs a variety of missiles including YJ-12, P-700, P-800, P-1000, and Brahmos. Brahmos’s maneuverability was taken into account and was why it was estimated to have a 35% chance of breaking through a Burkes defenses, compared to say P-800 which was estimated to only have a 12% chance. The Burke is almost certainly the best defended destroyer on earth so the fact that Brahmos was this effective is testament to how lethal it is. The USN considers Brahmos the deadliest AShM on earth and this is why during joint IN and USN drills they love to both practice against Brahmos equipped ships and do this cool offensive defense thing where they pair a Burke up with a Brahmos equipped ship.
the brahmos goes mach 3.5 with a range of 400km in service, and in the terminal phase it uses evasive manouvers. Furthermore the multipathing effect makes it so that missile cant hit the missile due to its sea skimming, however DCS does not model multipathing for radar missiles :(
I have a question, if an air to air missile can destroy a supersonic cruise missile then why can't a surface to air missile ( installed on ships). Ships have better radar than planes and the cruise missiles are even moving towards the direction of ships so it would not be hard to destroy that cruise missile because you are not chasing the supersonic missile (You are just hitting it nose to nose so not much to ask about velocity of both missiles) . And also the cruise missiles sea-skimming capability( capability to hit the target while staying about 5 meters above the sea with supersonic velocity). If a cruise missile is sea-skimming then the air to air or surface to air missile would have it hard to destroy that cruise missile as the air would be dense near sea-surface and would affect AAM or SAM missiles velocity and radar tracking.
12:20 The Formation from both side looks scary specially from India 🇮🇳 From Meteor to Mica to I derby to Brahmos to Scalp Su 30 & Rafale. China side PL -15 is heck of good missile seeing its range
Brahmos is one of finest technology specially against carrier group...even a Awacs can't easily detect due to its low radar observibility and fast movement at just 3.0 m above sea level
Let's try a 2 front assault. Indian Ocean and Himalayas. But this time, for the Indian Ocean front, activate Gwadar base with 24 x J20s, 4 X Type 055 destroyers. 😉
Your update on Brahmos is outdated. - it's not the Russian missile with a different paint job, that's a slack analogy - Brahmos extended range not included
Looking at the comments here I wonder how you all know about military operation so much, its amazing. I cannot understand even a single military word in this video 😂 wow
The improvements with the kill count and the money spent are really nice. I feel like it would be better for the India side to use more planes so they are closer to the chinese numbers. It would be more fair since they have the numbers. Also was there something wrong with the chinese dd's? They didn't fire a single AA missle to defend from the brahmos. They are not stealthy so they should see them. I can't wait for the type 055 and 052D mods to be ready. The step up in capabilities from the 052C's are enormous.
Cap, not good! Indian here is really small than chinese. When india know they have a carrier strike group in Arabian sea, we would send a much higher strike package than 26 planes!! We have naval assets and pretty modern of those. We have astra AAM too. Why didn't you include it in here? Brahmos has actually a longer range than 300 kms. And also we have more planes than which can carry it. Also more land based missiles which can attack CSG of china. Pls model a bigger battle with more research next time
China is closing in on India after establishing ports at Gwadar in Pakistan, Hambantota and Colombo in Sri Lanka and soon it will have access to the Indian Ocean from Myanmar’s Yangon Port .
India just tested the 700km Air launched brahmos today ! Also india has 40 sukhoi's that can carry the brahmos and also they have the surface launched ER range brahmos that is good for 600km if not more.
400km not 700km
Brahmos,Brahmos for all! 😂😂
Check the test today . 700km range was fully test today !!
@@smucka1 700km tested on 29th december
I doubt that they will be able to reliably detect and track a target at that range tbh. It's one of the major flaws of hypersonics that I always say. The extreme range will give the defenders a lot of time to break the kill chain i.e. break lock, kill whatever's targetting them etc.
I may be wrong but I thought that Indian Rafale's had Meteor and Mica and that Derby was used on SU-30 and MIG-29 with a mix of it a R-77 and soon Astra, so I dont think Derby would be the only missile used, but I know how hard it is to set up regular DCS without mods so this battle is still really great.
Yeah india has meteor
Yeah, India has operational Meteors. That was my first thought, too
Brahmos missile speed is 3.5 Mack not 2.5 and it's range is now increased to 450 km...
I really like your video, make more on indian military
not 450 700 kms
@@TheCheekyBerserker 700 km BrahMos not in service yet.
@@exurgemars It already is. The 1000 km version is still being tested
@@exurgemars 700 km BrahMos has entered service, currently they're working on the 1000 km version
700 km
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Well said sir.
Pleasure
@@grimreapers hey what happen to rc ?
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I agree. The costs add so much context.
USAF veteran
The reported speed of Brahmos is 3-3.5 mach and not mach 2.0 just, 2) I don’t think the Israelis have permitted the Derby’s to be used on Sukhois so that’s wrong and the flankers would be carrying Indian Astra instead. 3) Brahmos is a joint indo Russian project and the missile is named after the initials of the two country’s major rivers I.e. Brahmaputra of India and I think Moskava or something of Russia( so it’s not a sale of kh61 version)
Correct 👍
Derby is being used on the Su-30mki. Israel allowed it because it is Indian, mission computer too is Indian.
Nonsense. The Brahmos missile is sub-sonic at sea level
@@chuckfarley4130 Tell that to Pakistanis, who clocked it at near mach 3 at its terminal phase before it crashed into a town. Lol
@@direwolf7491 Reports are saying that it was sub-sonic and was shot down by a guy wearing a turban with an Ak-47
Would be interesting to see an Indian carrier group v Chinese carrier group, especially if INS Vikrant is modelled in the game.
Vikrant is smaller than their Chinese counterparts. Not to forget Chinese have more carrier. If INS Vishal is inducted tho, that would make it a equal war rather than a defensive one.
As of now India currently has meteor aam which is used on the rafale. And brahmos has a max speed of mach 3+ with a range of about 400km and and extended range with about 600+km is being tested.
@@minus21334 if I give you facts then it would be like casting pearls before swine 🤘
@@minus21334 more like overdosing on dog shit kebabs since you guys since such tiny eyes
Bramhos is not Mach 3+
Its mach 2.8
Brahmos is Mach 3.2 Cruise missile with range now 650Km just tested in early jan. It can fly just 5m from sea surface hard to track and kill..
bhai game hai or game me update aane mai time lagta hai
After all it's game , they haven't updated it
No, it does not travel in mach 3.2 and tested, not operational, and theoretically 5 meter, in reality fighter because the sea state is a thing, if a Brahmos hit a wave it crash…and it’s often 5 m waves in the open sea.
Maybe according to Indian call centers scammers 😂
@@Bob-vw3tfAccording to your non existent braincells😂😂
Could’ve used Astra on the Sukhoi.
True and why he didn't add meteor ?
Yess we can
What I find a bit funny about the scenario is that the Brahmos is going to be acquired by the Philippines so in a hot war, the carrier group might be already shot at with the missile on it's way
Philippine would avoid that tbh... they don't want war...
Why the hell would the Philippines want to start a war with China? China is by far the Philippine's largest trade partner and a major strategic partner.
I heard that the Philippines have developed a Brahmos variant the is better than the Indian one.
I mean if this is real life, why will China use its navy against India?
@@thomaszhang3101 It wouldnt. Its just a video game. Its not real.
India would have the numbers advantage in the air, land based anti air systems reaching out and the Indian navy. You've given China huge advantage in this scenario
China is wayyyyy ahead of India in the tech realm
@@chuckfarley4130 you can't buy land in sea. In Indian Ocean, Indian can fire too many Land based Brahmos. We have MR and XR Sam to shoot down and aircraft comming in our air space. We are not going to fight in black see.
@@tenzinganag5348 Sure, Jan
Yup 😁 Western man fantasy
@@chuckfarley4130 lol ya made in China hehehehe 😂😂
india has astra missile as fox 3 used by su30mki which is not seen in this simulation, astra range is arround 120 kms and bhramos speed is mach 3 to mach 4.5
According to the Indian call Center scammer astra has 200km range in a variant called the bob and vegene edition
@@Bob-vw3tfuse burnol brother..😂😂😂
2:09 not just a paint job it exceeds speed of mach 3.5+ and the air launch and navy version have more range which is 300-500km already in service.. Even the missile without any explosive warhead can split open a ship with kinetic impact itself. The missile is already tested (miss fired) on Pakistan in 2022 was air-force version but it was a ground launched version.
Modern ship are literally iron can. Too much kinetic energy mean not doing critical damage because it just over penetrate.
Don't mind them Sanjay, they were just enjoying. Although there research was not accurate, but again they are gamers and not experts on these matters.
Astra BVR missile could also had been used
it is a pleasure to see the videos getting better... this counter is great, also the sheer scale of the operation
The last stage of the BRAHMOS follows a completely different S Trajectory which makes it extremely difficult intercept
Na, it does not, a myth.
Missiles that travels in that speed can’t make turns without thrust vectors, and Brahmos does not have that.
That's for the land attack not for antishipping role.
That Brahmos went like sub sonic...
Really appreciate all the hard work that's going into creating modernised aircraft, weapons systems etc. - *Especially* that you're making a massive effort to make them as realistic as possible. That's why it's so entertaining and why many of us can't get enough of it!
Maybe it'd be worth simulating the air defences that would be protecting the air bases, AWACS etc. to stop (in this case) the red side unrealistically following the blues all the way back to base?
Brilliant battle! LOVE the new tech! I hope the Type 45 vessels also coming soon, because Iam pretty sure it will be much more better(Aster 15, Aster 30(Range 120km) and there is an another missile which is capable of mach 10+ interception. Ballistic missile defence.) and it will get its new anti-ship missiles(the Naval Strike Missile from 2023) than what you have now in the game. So you can finally create a UK and US vs Chinese and Russian CSG battle. :D
I always wonder if the cost of weapons is even close to reality or if they are grossly inflated to allow the arms industry to suck up as much money from the taxpayer as possible. I will go with the latter.
They have to take profits, but i don't believe they make like 300% on a missile. You are paying for the materials, the amount of r&d it took to develop, labour, etc it all adds up
Could easily be both
USA gives 100 billion to Ukraine!! Letter is essential lol
Man kh61 or p800 is as different from brahmos as su27 is from su30 and su35. Russia needed range of 800km hence less speed of 2.5 Mach whereas India's enemies are near so don't need much range and rather opted for speed with min 2.8 mach to 3.2 mach but with 450 km range when launched from ground, sea and from submarines underwater and 600-700 km when launched from air. Russia don't have air varient or p800 could easily reach 1000km. So, different demand hence different product but of same family.
Good Simulation Guyz. But, I guess we should not be using kh61/Oniks instead of Brahmos. Brahmos is superior to kh61. I may sound Indian but this is a fact, when PL-15 can be simulated, Brahmos should be done too. Brahmos has very low sea skimming height/high maneuverability with Mach 3 speed and improved guidance. Kh61 is not brahmos guyz, no need to get disappointed. This simulation almost gives a real rush. Will see more of your videos.😊
On the other hand, Tyoe 52C is not Tyoe 52D or Tyoe 055, those ships can target low flying supersonic missiles…
@@MrCastodian for blocking a single brahmos you need to fire min 3 missile.. we will send more brahmos ..none of ur ships will survive
50 vs 50 live people battle would be absolutely insane to coordinate but it would worth it. I would watch every minute of that.
The latest brahmos has a range of 700 km air launched and a speed of mach 2.8
And the rafale has been upgraded with gallium nitride jammers to combat aesa equipped fighters.
Sure they do
@SHASHWAT SINGH I agree that the that Astra is better than Derby but India bought the Derby as a stop gap ,until they had enough Rafales with Meteor and Astra had finished development, for the exact reason that the AIM-120 out ranged the version of the R-77 they had during the air battle in 2019 forcing one MKI pilot to dodge 6-7 missiles with out being able to fire (that MKI pilot is a true legand).
Not something you hear every mission ....the common sense of fly 😱 I think the matrix is finally broken.
agree
Hey guys, when you do eventually get the Type 55, keep in mind that they probably would not stack a carrier group with 6 of them. They in fact only have 8 such ships at the moment, spread across different fleets.
agree
@@grimreapers have u guys received news on the Chinese Carrier force sent to the Philippines sea? The composition has two type 055s with it.
Good video and I appreciate all the work put in it, just a note that India is currently developing brahmos NG that will be half the weight of present brahmos and 2/3rd of the size so that a single Su30Mki can carry 3 of those missiles with same extended range. Also I was thinking if china is attacking our coast don't we have coast guards big ships and our naval assets with ground launched brahmos and other defences. At the end it was very nice to watch this episode.
He just white mam with fantasy brother
Bhramose is hypersonic and can't be stopped by anything
Dont even bother buddy, here in this video they are giving maximum speed of brahmos as 2.5 mach (biggest joke) as it is one of the fastest supersonic missile (mach 3.5-4.5). Very easy.
And one guy is acquiring a freaking supersonic missile and even shooting it with AAM. HAHA
@@VideosfromaSailor ya how can they shoot down an supersonic missile lol 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@@VideosfromaSailor 🤣
@Random Good Videos shooting down brahmos.....biggest joke I've ever came across
Great video as always!
The only thing that caught my eye was China will always win this matchup. They had double the checks and six escort ships versus half the aircraft, which were then split again with only half air-to-air. A larger Indian attack force would make it spicier.
its not easy to counter brahmos.....in real world
You forgot Indian aircraft carrier loaded with Brahmos? Submarines? Frigates...it will never be possible for China to come this close with their carrier haha
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@@Ayush-vy2kq No, obviously not, they probably can’t sail that far and the ships would sink by themself?
Or, would a real Chinese attack have more destroyers and frigates in the strike force then India have total ships?
And supported by cruise/ballistic missiles and drone strikes that rained down on Indian bases and ships a month before China attack?
@@ananddarnal6702Nice, do that, and the Chinese sail around…
Or start the war when their navy already are in the Indian Ocean, bypassing Andaman totally?
Indians gonna get pissed in the comments lol! My apologies, as an Indian for any butthurt Indians here. Keep up the great videos my friend :) Love your scenarios and looking forward to more.
I’m not Indian and I’m not pissed but I do find this scenario a little off. I don’t believe they could stop bramos that easily. I’m not saying they could have sunk the whole fleet but I also don’t think only 1 would make it through 🤷♂️
You don't have to be so apologetic. I don't know why most Indians especially people like you have so much inferiority complex. Always apologizing everywhere even if nothing has happened...
@@smyers820gm Brahmos is ancient
@@chuckfarley4130 so? 🤷♂️
@@smyers820gm Seems decent in this video game
I just watched the video about the dust up between China and India over some contested mountain territory. None of them had rifles or any firearms, just clubs and fist. Now THAT is old school combat! But those small skirmishes are what lead up to full scale battles like we're watching here. I get the magazine Proceedings and they have had several military analyst that believe the next conflict will be between India and China. Territory, resources and trade routes.
I doubt that luckily. These small border skirmishes have been going on for over 70 years and have never escalated beyond small scuffles and unarmed fist-fights. The current border between China and India was unilaterally drawn by the British during India's colonial period, without doing an actual survey of the area. China and India later disagreed on this British-setup border, and India gained control of Arunachal Pradesh while China gained control of Aksai Chin.
China is proposing a settlement of the disputes, with China giving up claims on Arunachal Pradesh and India giving up claims on Aksai Chin, meaning that both countries would simply acknowledge the reality of how these territories have been administered ever since the areas had been liberated from British occupation. However, India has so far refused. I suppose this is due to domestic political considerations, but considering that these areas are of little value anyways and that one de facto already belongs to India and the other de facto already belongs to China, it would be such a simple solution to ease tensions. Hopefully, cool heads will prevail and agree to a peaceful compromise.
India is still working on sewers for their main cities.
Well india would simply use its land based brahmos squadrons, brahmos in the Indian destroyers and frigates , instead of sending fightets.
Instead of fighters the drones would do the reconnaissance so loses will be lower and small drones would be harder to detect.
And plus the land based air defence systems like akash , Barak-8, s-400.
And india would launch many other low cost uavs, kamikaze drones, other decoy missiles and most importantly ballistic missiles.
Why put the unequal numbers of fighters? I looks like lose scenario for indians.
The I-Derby ER is from Israel, not the EU. You should change the flag in that missile overview.
Also, the MICA comes in IR and Radar (RF) guided versions, so the empty stations on a Rafale where no Meteor could be carried - they could carry MICA RF.
PL-15, looks like 1000 mile range ...lol. also intercepted a supersonic cruise missile head-on while executing a turn. Bravo lol
Why did not the destroyers open fire? It’s just a fast missile, no problem to detect it and get a lock, plenty of missiles in the ships that can shoot it down.
Just wanna say Dope 👍
Great job from India🇮🇳
And then, in the middle of it all 6 low flying SEPECAT Jaguars come out of no where to take down the carrier strike group....:D
Good video, but brahmos is not the same missile it has supersonic speed through out the flight 1km/sec in which it can maneuver, it has upgraded seeker and avionics which provides pinpoint accuracy and superior flight characteristics, and aslo imples some level of stealth.
I love me some Wargames. The financial expenditure counter is a great addition. Another fantastic video and step forward in quality from the Grim Reapers :)
Sukhoi 30 mki should use Astra BVR missiles insted of Iderby ER.
Cap: "If all those Brahmos' had gotten through everything would be dead." Maybe, if the missiles locked onto different ships but the ones that did get through all went for one destroyer. We have seen that a lot of these naval battles where many missiles will get through but will slam into the same ship over and over turning what would have been an annihilation of a fleet into a much smaller loss. I think one thing these Wargames have shown us is that having anti-ship missiles that can communicate with one another and deconflict/spread out their attack on multiple ships is absolutely essential in the future. I've learned a lot from these simulations. Very informative.
Reality is pretty different! Brahmos actually showcase it's capabilities in Mia chanu! Where unarmed brahmos got misfired (test fired for a reason) in Pakistan !! As a result : every single AD is failed to intercept it! And it hit Pak deep inside 124 KM! And the noticable things are! All the air defence systems which Pak have is advance Chinese AD which china is using for there warships !
Rafale can carry much more meteor than 4.
Its just that 4 is the current configuration for the french air force because there is a low number of meteor in active service
Just buried my Stepdad yesterday...this will help forget!...thanks Reapers!
Sorry to hear this :(
@@grimreapers Thanks guys.
So back to the age old question. Which is better? Supersonic anti-ship or subsonic stealth anti-ship? Brahmos or Lrasm? I hope there's a DCS showdown made on this topic.
Stealth. Once hypersonic cruise missiles start getting introduced, those will be the apex. But hypersonic cruise missile will be extremely expensive.
Brahmos is ancient tech
@@Tounguepunchfartbox looks like China already unveiled world first hypersonic anti-ship missile YJ-21.... so we have LRASM... Brahmos.. YJ-12... YJ-21... I hope this is like in the tortoise vs hare story where the tortoise will win. I know we have a very sneaky tortoise but somehow not very convinced tortoise gonna win this time.
@@chuckfarley4130 Yeah, as ancient as a rock really, smh
Brohmos speed is 3.5 Mack not 2.5...
Range is 450 miles today
Less than 1 m accuracy can dive at 90° at end
Ancient 😂 rights... And fighter jet missile destroy brohmos at 3.5 is joke😄...jet speed are 2 mack
I always have same problem with these set pcs. Attack happens from 1 direction.
Do this attack from 2 directions (something that was proven in ww2) and send the anti ships first they fire coming in low and turn back. the Anti air component comes 2nd and gives dilemma to defenders on whether to counter anti air or anti ships.
The I-Derby ER is Israeli, not European
3:29 Yo Cap talking about engines please keep in mind The F-15EX has General Electric F110 Engines! Making it faster and more fuel efficient than The F-15C and E! ;)
I demand you use Lakhs and Crores when counting the Indian losses in order to maximize confusion.
That shooting down sea skimming supersonic missiles sure looks realistic. Lmao. Also sukhois now use Astra missiles and not Mica or whatever fox 3 these Su30 mki were using.
It would be extremely interesting if in a cost battle like this the battle would continue and we would see the ships using long range atg missiles e.x. tomahawks,kh's ext. The ground forces have a few sams to fight them. And in wave 3 or in another video altogether attacking bandits who survived would also go back to the carrier and rearm to atg configurations trying to destroy a couple airbases or headquarters. With the rest of the Indians in this case trying to minimaze the damage with whatever they can scramble and rearm. Tho it will probably turn out to be an hour long video:)
Also...India now has the Astra Mk-I and Mk-II and Mk-III are on their way. Plus the Scalp cruise missile with 350 km to 500 km range. Also the Rudram anti - radiation missiles which would also lock horns with AWACS and ship radar systems. India also has new anti ship missile coming from MBDA. So a lot more strike capability!
Nice use of the latest Military Tech here Cap. (Note - seems like a lot of draw with the use of Indian tech). Seems there a few more capabilities to be modelled for Team India. Have always wondered, do you take into account Maximum Carrier Take-Off Weight when loading out the carrier planes ? I had prior read that Chinese AC planes could only take off with about 50% of fuel and 50% of ordinance. Does the new EMAL allow 100% ? GREAT video - way fun.
He is biased as didn't include Astras, vikrant carrier and real bramhos
Bruh he isn't biased, it's a game. China is also not modeling modern destroyers, carrier AWACS and J-31/35.
India does have long range AAMs. Su 30 standard BVR load out is R-77VV-AE. They also sometimes carry R-27R1/ER1. Both types are being replaced by Astra Mk1. Range wise these are AMRAAM class or thereabouts. Rafale carries Meteor. When it comes to WVRAAM, Su-30s carry R-73, whereas Rafale carries MICA in both RF guided and IR guided versions. BTW it doesn’t seem plausible that a BVRAAM would pick out a sea skimming Mach 3 AshM…
You choose the wrong location India has lot of active assets in that area. Pune, karwar. Airforce and navy bases.
Thanks for letting the end play out. I had a good laugh at the j-15 running into the rafale on the runway.
AWACS aren't cheap. I did a search for "awacs price". First thing to come up was a story about India procuring 2x AWACS from Israel for a total of $1,000,000,000. Unreal.
I'm always impressed with the guys who pilot the B-2s, just for the fact those planes are 2 billion I think a piece. I couldn't imagine having that in my hands.
The destroyers just stand by and look wow🤣
@Grim Reapers IIRC, the Brahmos only has a range of arnd 120km when in full sea skimming mode and 300km in a hi-hi-lo flight pattern which makes it much easier to detect and shoot down. In full sea-skimming mode for the air-launched version it will prob be arnd 200km because it will have to accelerate less than in ground launched.
Depends if the extended range version of Brahmos are being used, afaik they are extending range in phases being 450km, 600km, 800km. 800km being the full range achieved by Russian sister missile Oniks.
Shut up noob, the latest brahmos tested is at 700 km range.
In reality china is 10 year ahead,but due to technical support of France, Israel, Russia india is reducing that gap very fast pace.
Great 👍 simulation.
A Request and few points I like to add.
A video with defender and attacker reverse role.
Its highly unlikely for Chinese navy to be in Indian Ocean. Rather Indian navy in South China sea since China has neighbors are their enemies and friends to India.
Usually defender are more in numbers especially in case of navy operations.
Also you gave Chinese navy future capability where emals equipped aircraft is operational. But for India you didn't equip them with present capability since you missed on Astra 1,2 bvr missile, brahmos missile with lower speed and range than actual and even greater capability in testing, and are other anti ship missile.
Plus anti ship package are always guarded by other fighters.
There a slim chance of 3.5 + mach air breathing brahmos be shot by 4.5 + mach pl15 in tail chase mode and that to at sea level where aircraft is below mach 1 so pl15 would need time to reach its maximum speed.
Important note: whatever Indian import from foreign country is highly customized than original equipment so its better than equipment operated by that foreign country be Rafale, su30, apache or brahmos.
U should have included astra missiles which are 110km ranged aa missiles for a more realistic simulations. Those are already operational on su30mkis
great video cap, but wouldn't flankers on both sides be carrying wingtip ECM pods?
Out did yourself with the scoreboard! Bravo!
20:20 IAF's Su-30MKI fleet use the Astra Mk.1 as their primary BVRAAM along with the KIRNITI SAP-518 EW Pods. Thus, the Astra Mk.1 become a feasible BVRAAM cause the opponent cannot shoot down a Su-30MKI until it gets past the EW Pods' jamming.
@SHASHWAT SINGH Bro, if the Su-30MKI is carrying its Israeli EL/M-8222 Jammer, opposing fighter cannot fire until the burn past its jamming. That’s around 100-80 Kilometers. Thus, even if the opposing fighter is carrying that PL-21 missile, it will still not be able to use its range advantage. But it’s heavy weight will not allow it to maneuver. Contrastingly, India’s light and fast Astra Mk1 can easily shoot down the opposing fighter. That is why it makes such a big difference.
I love the taxpayer addition
PL-15 range has been severely inflated in the game... Actual range is around 90+ miles only (145km)
PL-15E Export Trade 145 KM ， PL-15 180-185 KM Self-use
@@adassdawdad lol made up figures? 😂
@@adassdawdad pakistani claim that u guys gave them 300km version 😆
No
India also has land based anti ship and submarine fleet
Is it possible to war-game an
EQUAL IN COST:
in as many billions as the servers will allow:
NATO v BRICS carrier groups
in Straits of Malacca or Hormuz?
-India
+Iran +Argentina
+Israel for NATO
New scoreboard is lit
Good video . You are gonna annoy some Indians for some reason no one knows
(From an Indian)
Ya but I'm laughing at an western fantasy lol 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
How can they have defence from an hypersonic missiles lol 😂🤣🤣
Fantasy
And ur not Indian btw 🤣
Na we should be annoyed by weird white fantasy lol 😂🤣
Ya bhramose can be stipe is like u born without ur mother lol 😂🤣
@@dkbros1592 I AM Indian
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Well the scenario is biased and unrealistic. He didn't factor in the presence of indian naval assets and he used lesser no. Of aircraft to counter a larger force.
Make that as reasons you don't know
01:40 Oh thank goodness you pronounced the French fighter name correctly ! Not like the christian first name "Raphaël", but like the french word "Rafale" for a gust of wind or a machine-gun burst. Nobody in the english-speaking world gets it right, Kudos !
And about that Brahmos, you did'nt consider one being fired from a Submarine did ya?? The Indian Ocean is fraught with Scorpene class Subs equipped with Submarine launched Brahmos and don't forget the Torpedoes before any of that
Astra missile mod is available...idk why those su 30 didn't have those . ASTRA has similar range like Meteor
I've seen diagrams showing that the Rafale can carry up to 10 Meteors if they used all their weapon pylons for them and carried two drop tanks.
It can't. It only has the interface capable of connecting with Meteor on 4 points. They're currently reviewing this and may add another 2, but it can't hold 8 because the other points aren't strong enough. Any diagram with 10 is nonsense.
@johnarrowsmith5847 Thank you, I remember seeing it on Dassault's website, but I was pretty confused by it.
Add Indian warships and carrier equipped with Brahmos naval version
Why in game PL 15 has a range of 122 Nm or 225 Km which isn't even real. Where actually in recent documents shows a range in the ball park of 80 Nm or 145 Km. It's kinda impossible to have a range of 122 Nm in that size and diameter even if it's using a dual pulse rocket motor...
the 145KM are for the export version of the PL-15, which is called PL-15E
@@bussolini6307 Yup .... I know that. But If you see it is completely impossible to have 80 km more range over its export variant which has similar dimensions. Mate it's physics you can put a finite amount of propellant in that finite dimension. It is possible to have max 20 km more range over its export counterpart but 80km is comical... And sounds like propaganda.
LOVED the new Scoreboard - Thanks Cap!!
The Brahmos in real life is alleged to be a stealthy, supersonic anti ship missile. So I think in DCS the KH 61 when used in battles like these should be modified to have a slightly stealthy nature. Ofcourse not as much as LRASM but definitely better than most missiles.
Old tech
It's not stealthy IRL.
@@skatman3278 And outdated
@@chuckfarley4130 mmmmmmm I doubt there's another cruise missile that can perform target discrimination against land targets at supersonic velocities.
@@skatman3278 block-3 variant has a carbon composite airframe, there's definitely some signature reduction going on there
You should add a % of Military budget statistic to the scoreboard
And the rafale can carry 8 meteors, not 4.
It can't. It only has the interface capable of connecting with Meteor on 4 points. They're currently reviewing this and may add another 2, but it can't hold 8 because the other points aren't strong enough.
Simba is only half correct, the Rafale pilot both ejected and didn't. At 28:18 you can still see him sitting quite happily in his cockpit as it burns while simultaneously floating in his parachute! Simba managed to faceplant the concrete in the top right :).
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One interesting thing to note is that in the war against Ukraine, Russia repeatedly threatens to use nuclear weapons. If Ukraine was possessing nuclear weapons able to survive a first strike, Russia would not have dared to invade it. Same is going to be the story with Taiwan. As for India it should invest heavily to be able to obliterate its enemies in a second strike. If that is assured no country on planet is going to attack it in the first place. Waging a conventional war under the nuclear umbrella is feasible if one side does not possess nuclear weapons or if their nuclear weapons are wiped in a first strike.
Brahmos can take a sharp 90-degree turn as it did in the apparent accidental launch of a Brahmos inside Pakistani territory. So, you forgot to include the manoeuvrability of Brahmos. The missile also coincidentally avoided the populated area and accurately landed on an empty factory. China would be extremely lucky to even shoot down a single Brahmos. Ohh, and I forgot to mention that Brahmos' speed is 3-3.5 mach, not 2 mach.
Sure, Jan
Brahmos is a great missile (one of the best current ashms) but the chinese sam net on their ships is extremely advanced, almost as advanced as US Aegis system, so shooting down mach 3-3.5 manuvering missiles would be very doable. Current US simulations show that 1 Brahmos has about a 35% chance (the best of any simulated threat) to get through the defense network of 1 unsupported Burke class destroyer, so a 053C of the PLAN would do just a little worse.
@@mattseller148 I would love to see how aegis or Chinese Defense systems perform when Brahmos performs an S manoeuvre right before hitting the target.
I already said that the USN carried out hundreds of simulations of 1 Aegis Burke destroyer vs a variety of missiles including YJ-12, P-700, P-800, P-1000, and Brahmos. Brahmos’s maneuverability was taken into account and was why it was estimated to have a 35% chance of breaking through a Burkes defenses, compared to say P-800 which was estimated to only have a 12% chance. The Burke is almost certainly the best defended destroyer on earth so the fact that Brahmos was this effective is testament to how lethal it is. The USN considers Brahmos the deadliest AShM on earth and this is why during joint IN and USN drills they love to both practice against Brahmos equipped ships and do this cool offensive defense thing where they pair a Burke up with a Brahmos equipped ship.
@@mattseller148 but how about 80 brahmos on a single CV
the brahmos goes mach 3.5 with a range of 400km in service, and in the terminal phase it uses evasive manouvers. Furthermore the multipathing effect makes it so that missile cant hit the missile due to its sea skimming, however DCS does not model multipathing for radar missiles :(
I have a question, if an air to air missile can destroy a supersonic cruise missile then why can't a surface to air missile ( installed on ships). Ships have better radar than planes and the cruise missiles are even moving towards the direction of ships so it would not be hard to destroy that cruise missile because you are not chasing the supersonic missile (You are just hitting it nose to nose so not much to ask about velocity of both missiles) . And also the cruise missiles sea-skimming capability( capability to hit the target while staying about 5 meters above the sea with supersonic velocity). If a cruise missile is sea-skimming then the air to air or surface to air missile would have it hard to destroy that cruise missile as the air would be dense near sea-surface and would affect AAM or SAM missiles velocity and radar tracking.
India now have equipped all su 30mki with Brahmos
Super Sukhoi programme and Brahmos NG would do enormous damage
12:20 The Formation from both side looks scary specially from India 🇮🇳
From Meteor to Mica to I derby to Brahmos to Scalp Su 30 & Rafale.
China side PL -15 is heck of good missile seeing its range
But reality and simulation are different things
Brahmos is one of finest technology specially against carrier group...even a Awacs can't easily detect due to its low radar observibility and fast movement at just 3.0 m above sea level
Let's try a 2 front assault. Indian Ocean and Himalayas. But this time, for the Indian Ocean front, activate Gwadar base with 24 x J20s, 4 X Type 055 destroyers. 😉
The brahmos in its last stage does a cobra or a ‘s’ maneavour
Brilliantly done as usual, even to finding an analogue for the 'lands'. So we'll done all!
Your update on Brahmos is outdated.
- it's not the Russian missile with a different paint job, that's a slack analogy
- Brahmos extended range not included
Just to add the Brahmos takes up two pylons in the center
Looking at the comments here I wonder how you all know about military operation so much, its amazing. I cannot understand even a single military word in this video 😂 wow
WAKE UP HONEY NEW GR CARRIER BATTLE
The improvements with the kill count and the money spent are really nice. I feel like it would be better for the India side to use more planes so they are closer to the chinese numbers. It would be more fair since they have the numbers.
Also was there something wrong with the chinese dd's? They didn't fire a single AA missle to defend from the brahmos. They are not stealthy so they should see them. I can't wait for the type 055 and 052D mods to be ready. The step up in capabilities from the 052C's are enormous.
Air launched Brahmos is entirely Indian. The Russians never showed interest but now it's a standard load on the SU-30MKI.
Cap, not good! Indian here is really small than chinese. When india know they have a carrier strike group in Arabian sea, we would send a much higher strike package than 26 planes!! We have naval assets and pretty modern of those.
We have astra AAM too. Why didn't you include it in here? Brahmos has actually a longer range than 300 kms. And also we have more planes than which can carry it. Also more land based missiles which can attack CSG of china. Pls model a bigger battle with more research next time
China is closing in on India after establishing ports at Gwadar in Pakistan, Hambantota and Colombo in Sri Lanka and soon it will have access to the Indian Ocean from Myanmar’s Yangon Port .