Since people are asking about this in the comments: The Franklin got her registry number when she was re-commissioned as a UFP Vessel. The ship is older than the NX-01. It just got assigned the registry 'NX-326' years later when the Federation was formed. She would have got her dedication plaque at this time too, so the plaque is probably about half as old as the ship, hence it looking more modern.
It's worth noting, that according to Memory Alpha, the dedication plaque on the bridge has a gap between the "k" and "l" as well. So it does actually say U.S.S. FRANK LIN. The ships registry number (NX-326) is in honor of Leonard Nimoy's birthday--March, 26th. If you were to buy Moebius Models U.S.S. Franklin 1/350 model kit, you can also buy aftermarket/hird-party parts to use the U.S.S. Frank Lin name/registry (as well as a few others) instead.
On the one hand, I'm not really into the "Kelvin timeline" as much as I otherwise would be. But on the other hand, I do appreciate how Beyond ties back into the Enterprise series.
Just skip Into Darkness and Kelvin timeline gets a lot better. They didnt need to redo Wrath of Kahn and the super blood of Kahn makes the movie just dumb. At least the original waited for a sequel before bringing Spock back to life and without the super blood of Kahn.
@@CantankerousDave I love Beastie Boys but if they were looking for an audio signal to disrupt whatever then wouldn't you want some techno? like synthwave or something? imagine if they had used Purterbator or something, at least that's more chaotic and woulda fit their needs better.... of all the times to use a song cus of 1 line that kinda wasn't it lol
"Is that classical music?" I instantly loved this ship design. I can't even say what made it so appealing to me, it just looked so solid and hearty while still being pretty sleek.
Saucer is chonky while the pylons are overengineered. I like it too, and in comparison I think some of the designs from Enterprise got a little too sleek too fast. Like the warp 2 barrier ship from that flashback episode looks pretty Phoenix-y, but after that the other ships they showed (such as the Intrepid and stuff, with triangular and semicircular saucers) just looked more like regressed TOS designs to me than actually looking like a missing link type deal. The Franklin doesn’t look like the Phoenix either, but it definitely looks more like they wanted it to be able to handle various stresses, possibly even minor collisions with space dust at speed, and stuff like that.
Man you have a one of a kind ability to make any spaceship seem cool. Your reviews are the reason I got into watching the Expanse. Now I want to go back and watch Star Trek Beyond again.
Of the three Kelvin Timeline movies, I like _Star Trek Beyond_ the most because it was written and directed by people who gave a damn and you can _feel_ the _Trek_ deeply embedded in the movie. Yes, _Beyond_ under-performed at the box office, and its pacing is off in a few spots, but it's charming enough that- IMO- it successfully overshadows the flaws and errors of its own two immediate predecessors. On personal rankings, I place _Star Trek Beyond_ above all of the bad movies they made- including _Generations, Nemesis_ and _The Final Frontier._
I really like this ship. I'll admit, my only meaningful exposure to Star Trek has been through the JJ films, and I must say I was fascinated by this ship when I saw it, Old Sci-fi tech has always struck a chord with me, whether it's the Y-Wings in Star Wars or the Warthogs in Halo, vehicles still serving and doing heroic things well after they were meant to be retired does a lot more for me than contemporary vehicles filling their design briefs
I really loved this little ship. There was something so charming about it, and I really loved the Enterprise NX-01 era callbacks like the uniforms of the Franklin's original crew and its "classical" music. lol Also just love the idea that this old ship, almost a beta test version of the NX series, gets stranded on this planet, loses its original crew, is used as a half buried house essentially by someone for decades, against all odds when reactivated still works and carries the crew of the Enterprise to the end of the day when their fancy new Enterprise is torn to shreds and still manages to more or less remain intact when finally back in Federation hands. That thing better be honored and put into a museum because that is quite the journey.
When I first saw Beyond I felt they should’ve used Columbia as opposed to coming up with the Franklin, but the design has since grown on me and I quite like it now
When I first watched Beyond, I admit I mistook this thing for an NX-class refit of some kind. I appreciate how the design of its saucer kinda bridges the gap between the NX and the Constitution.
I think that "Beyond" should've been the sequel to the 2009 film, honestly. It's a shame that because of poor marketing, and maybe "Into Darkness" leaving a bad taste in people's mouths, that it essentially flopped.
@@MichaelStephenLordReserei1987 Agreed. After 2009, I wanted a Trek movie that fulfilled the exploration that introduced trek. Instead we got Into Darkness, which remade the most famous TOS storyline and was pretty lame. I think if Beyond had been the direct sequel to 2009, then we'd have a fourth Star Trek coming out this year and more following.
All the lore surrounding the Franklin, her design, and her captain is the best stuff to come out of the Kelvin films. Love that it pays hardcore homage to the Enterprise era
Say what you want about the JJ films but I love the Franklin. It looks unique, has a nice story behind it and has that tough-little-ship charm to it. As an ENT fan I really liked it's addition and the feel of this ship, both as an partial instigator for the plot and the means to save the day. The shot of it coming out of the water and bearing the brunt of those swarm ships is one of my favourite scenes in Trek. I like to imagine they salvaged the Franklin after the attack and fixed her up to working status, becoming the mascot of Yorktown kind of like the real life USS Constitution.
I always thought that TOS used a revised Warp Scale in which Warp 4 is equal to Warp 7 in the ENT era. And that the Franklin was the first vessel to reach Warp 7 in 2158. It would be a smaller, cheaper alternative to the NX class Starship and would be deployed en masse during the Earth Romulan War. Pulsed Phase Cannons were a new invention as of 2154 and Photonic Torpedoes were based on Vissian Photonic Weapons (And undoubtedly very expensive) which is why the Franklin used the much older Spatial Torpedoes (Which are presumably Advanced Nukes). The registry number NX-326 is it's launch Registry as Starfleet had expanded considerably since 2155. The Franklin would be rebranded a Federation Starship in 2161 and would embark on a 4 year Mission of Exploration during which it was presumed lost in the Gagarin Radiation Belt in 2164.
Some UFP admiral: "Let's recommission this old relic and give it to this guy we just made a captain because we didn't know what to do with him now the MACO's aren't a thing anymore. Let's not update the engines or the transporter, even though we are literally decommissioning ships with more advanced systems that these as being obsolete." Starfleet basically told Edison to go fuck himself when they presented him with the Franklin. Even the ships that had replaced it were themselves outdated by the time Edison got his hands on this ship - the NX-01, the next iteration design from the Freedom class was on its way to be retired from service just prior to the inauguration of the Federation, and the recommission of the Franklin as the USS Franklin occurred even later than that.
@@shaftoe195 I am not confused. I was pointing out the necessary plot issue with presenting Edison with the Franklin when more advanced models were awaiting decommissioning and scrapping. I'm well aware that the NX-02 Colombia was still in service beyond the formation of the Federation, but I fail to see how that was relevant to this discussion, especially since that actually only serves to further highlight my original point by making the Franklin even more out of date than it already was. It might have been better than nothing, sure, but, as a comparison, it would be like giving a person today a WWII propeller fighter plane when more advanced jets are idling in a hanger decommissioned as obsolete. Completely unsuitable to handle the needs of the time. It was a necessary plot point, showing how little the newly formed Federation cared for him now that he was considered an antiquated relic himself that they couldn't spare the effort to upgrade the ship's engines or internal tech to what was at the time considered the bare minimum. It was an insult to him, and I feel intended to just get him out of sight while the Federation restructures itself into a more pacifistic organisation than the MACO's would be suited for. The Miranda and Excelsior class ships would receive upgrades throughout their lifespan, incorporating improving tech in order to help keep them relevant against newer designs. They didn't do this for the Franklin, sending it out in its stock model form when more advanced technology was available.
I love that commentary on the Federation not knowing what to do with the MACOs and the blatant disrespect there. It was like they just wanted to tuck them away somewhere. It tracks
@@shaftoe195 I really liked how the point about the Columbia being so different was integrated into the story, since so many inaugural ships of a class do have tons of small and large changes vs later ones, and are indeed often decommissioned early if retrofitting is deemed to be about as expensive as building a whole new one. I just feel like Trek didn’t really go into that very much elsewise, when they absolutely could’ve to some large or small degree with the Defiant, the Excelsior, and possibly the Intrepid classes. Plus it served a narrative purpose too: Archer was all excited to get the first one his dad dreamed about, and I think he was later kind of jealous of Columbia being in many ways so much better. Even though of course it couldn’t have happened without the… 3? retrofits his team did on the Enterprise in those first couple years.
@Dark Sith Lord I believe it is actually pretty good. Hopeful, not darkness incarnate like modern Trek. Easily the best of the reboot films, and better than most if not all the TNG movies.
Never been a fan of the Kelvin timeline, but I do like the ships, especially this little one, fast, durable, maneuverable. It fits in so well with how early space exploration would have been, and (as usual) your breakdown is very thorough. Although not technically cannon, can you do a breakdown of the Larson class?
So what happened to Captain Edison in the Prime timeline? Is he still waiting, that item never logged into Starfleet inventory? Did Starfleet inventory change their passwords? Or did he attack in the time of TNG and get taken out by a Nebula class ship who's shields just yawned at his drones…
I've been wondering that myself and have been, slowly, writing up a fan fic which explores that. I'm officially writing a story to explain how Discovery is an alternate reality created by the Temporal Cold War and in one mission the USS Franklin gets involved and accidentally lost. I'm thinking I want the USS Excelsior and USS Enterprise-B to eventually discover the fate of Edison. But that's just my take on it and what happened to him in canon is unknown.
One also has to think of what became of Jayla. Was she stuck on that planet forever, or was she killed by Edison (or his crew)? Edit: Or the very, very, slim chance she escaped.
@@NihilusShadow hey, since you seem to like bashing on DSC out of a misguided sense of loyalty to so called canon why not write a story explaining why Voyager and the other ships of the 24th century dont just downgrade to the technology that allowed Kirk and friends to crisscross the galaxy at a whim? How about a story explaining how Kirk's Enterprise could detect a cloaked ship well enough perfectly match its every manuver but for some reason didnt know where it was when it came time to shoot? There are so many other inconsistencies that need fan retcons to make them right!
@@DrewLSsix those are still minor compared to STD's continuity errors. And at least those shows were good. If it wasn't for the Star Trek label that would've been cancelled faster than Firefly.
In the "Prime timeline" everything happened the same way, just the Enterprise 1701 had 200+ fighter drone ships up its ass as of the Discovery Season 2 finale, 10-ish years before Kirk and could easily handle the drone swarm on its first encounter instead of Kelvin-Spock reporting "we are not equipped for this kind of engagement"...
Probably my favorite ship introduced in the Kelvin movies. I think its interesting that when Sean Hargreaves designed her he didnt use the NX-01 as a base it was just a happy accident.
I love this ship so when I got a chance to get this bird on Star Trek Online I lost my mind. I did a total theme build and haven’t looked back. Now if I could just remember which parts in the lighting kit goes where, its my first time building a model with a lighting kit, I can finish my scale model which I’ve been staring at on my work bench for well over a year. Engage!
Loved how you managed to fit this ship in the timeline when the writer from the movie sorted wrote themselves into a continuity plot hole since the Franklin is suppose to be younger than NX-01 Enterprise but was suppose to a revolutionary ship for it time when the most advance ship was suppose to be the NX series.
The writers didn't put themselves into a corner, you're just a fucking idiot who didn't pay attention. At no point in the movie did they say it was the most revolutionary ship ever in that era. They said said it was the first warp 4 capable ship.....that's it......
Another great vid, Daniel! The whole Kelvin timeline NX-336 superseding the NX-01 makes my head hurt, but at least it's a cool little ship. "Beyond" was a surprisingly good picture, even with jumbled-up timeline (yeah, I know, the Kelvin timeline made ripples of change go back into time, too...yadda...yadda...yadda). I think I might be one of the few who really, really like the NCC-1701 Enterprise from "Beyond" as much, if not more, than Pike's from "Discovery." But that's a different vid.
It could be just a matter of competing projects, working in tandem, with Archer focusing on breaking the Warp-5 barrier while any new development gets pawned off to other managers for further study. I mean, even today, you have multiple entitles, like SpaceX and Blue Origins, working on going back to the Moon, under the watch of NASA...
+Thor's Hammer Not sure they're the right channel for that; they've never done complete breakdowns of any setting's navy. The closest they've come is the Astartes Battle Barge video, ruclips.net/video/wJ_Lz0HoM2k/видео.html But even then they skim over the weapon's complement.
40K analyses are especially tricky because the 40K universe is intentionally vague embellished to an absurd degree. Don't get me wrong, I love 40K lore and would be down to see more vids on them, but it doesn't surprise me that the lads at Spacedock don't tackle it more often
The standard statistics for 40k navies are: Size: as big as the author needs. Weapons: lots. As big and numerous as the story demands. Speed: somewhere between 'near instant interstellar response' and 'may get there this century. Maybe. Could be last century.' Spikes: yes.
Not sure it's more than 25% different than a _Loknar_ class. But putting it earlier in the timeline works. Also, interesting way to split the difference between Classic and JJ aesthetic, so to accommodate the eventual timeline split.
I was wondering if anyone else saw the similarity. Granted, the Loknar class was only ever in the FASA Star Trek roleplaying game, but it actually had me geeking out hoping there would be more references to that background material, as non-canon as it was.
This one has an interesting configuration that harkens back to the great FASA designs. Unfortunately the whole thing is ruined by those gaudy post-Kelvin timeline bullhorn nacelles.
I knew there was a reason I liked the Franklin. My first rule of fleet design is "One can never have too many frigates. Rule number two is "First learn rule number one,"
Memory Alpha reports that the Freedom Class was introduced in 2161 while the NX class Enterprise was launched in 2151. I'm only stating this because the NX-01 Enterprise was the first warp 5 capable ship. I think you might be mistaken here.
This is probably the one Star Fleet ship design that I like. It doesn't have the separate engineering area that the Enterprise and other, more modern star fleet ships had. Those things always struck me as a very inviting target for disabling or boarding a ship.
Um... The Freedom Class Transporters WERE NOT cleared for BIO-USE and Canon also states this as Lcdr. Scott (Scotty) had to make alterations to the system on the Franklin to make it barely safe for bio-matter transport. Also, It was a continuity mistake that it had phase canons or spatial torpedoes as, those were newly developed weapons on the NX-01 Enterprise which came after the Franklin as the first warp 5 vessel. The biggest continuity issue is the Xindi war, which didnt occur until the time of the NX01, Enterprise long after the Franklin was in service/lost.
This method of bump starting a Starship would be largely lost on our counterparts across the pond with their auto gearboxes. Stick it into second, release the clutch before you hit the ground.....Keep your Starship rocking!
The naccels are a bit too big in my opinion. I think it should have been similar to the NX-01's naccels rather than the weird looking Kelvin Enterprises naccels
This class of ships has always been a odd one to me and I am sure for others as well. It plainly came before the NX Class Enterprise, but it has a much higher registry number and is not the same class as the Enterprise. That being said, like many Treker's,... I would have loved to have seen more of the ship and its layout.
While i am a bit meh on the Kelvin timeline generally I do like the look and feel of this ship, which feels very much like it fits in the 'Enterprise' era. It probably helps that it is the first craft you can use as a United Earth player in the 'Star Trek New Civilizations' mod for Stellaris so I have a lot of fondness for this humble but surprisingly capable little vessel.
Ships I'd like to see Spacedock make an episode about Star Wars - The Rogue Shadow Star Wars - I-7 Howlrunner Star Fox - Arwing Metroid - Samus' Gunship Outlaw Star - The Outlaw Star
If my head cannon, ships of this class are still being used around the Sol system, and especially ESD. Acting as a tug/transport ship, it wouldn't need to be particularly fast, well armed or well armoured. In fact it is almost perfect for acting as a tug; it's a highly maneuverable ship with great sub light speeds and a spaceframe strong enough to withstand the strains of pulling something like a galaxy class. A lot of the internal space can be given over to better engines and a strong tractor beam. You can get rid of crew quarters and recreational rooms as they would be operating from a large star base. And let's be honest, with how long star fleet have kept the excelsior class in service, it isn't too much of a stretch to have these whizzing about ESD.
I know the models don’t actually quite match up, but they’re similar enough that now I want to think of the two ships towing the Enterprise in Disco S2E1 as being this class.
Looking back I wonder any chance for the Yorktown class Starbase Looking at the Freedom see at Warp 5 ships needed for defense as how bad the ECS getting mulled.
Before I saw this vide o I just assumed the Franklin was the same class as the NX Enterprise. Thanks for all the great content and have you considered doing a video on the Discovery One from 2001 A Space Odyssey.
This is what the NX-01 should've looked like, bridge, small size, and all (though newer). It seemed a better representation of what might come between older NASA/Earth-types and Starfleet. Instead, we got upside-down Akira with a more standard Star Trek interior (though at least a bit more utilitarian).
NX was meant to denote a prototype ship (Defiant and Excelsior), which would then switch to an NCC registration once mass productin begins. Seems like the Enterprise writers did not realise this and decided NX should be a class. Stupid recons are not a new thing. I think NX is an offical US naval designation, and probably where they got the idea from.
Honestly, if they just made the Franklin another NX class, that would have made a hell of a lot of people happier than just jamming their own shit in and screwing it up even more. Hell, make it an NX refit not unlike the 1701. That would have enriched the class without pissing people off so much.
Did they name the Franklin after Benjamin Franklin, or, as I suspect, the unsuccessful British Explorer Sir John Franklin who got his entire crew killed trying to find the Northwest Passage when his ship (HMS Terror) got irretrievably stuck in the ice and his crew ended up cannibalising each other?
So how does it have one of the first transporters rated for human transport when it was a warp 4 ship and NX-01 enterprise also have the same setup where human transport was just approved at the start of its run? I'm sure it was a little while before warp 5 came along after this ship was commissioned. Or was the transporter added after it's in service date?
Yeah I could see it being a transporter from 2165 or 2170 or something. I imagine most people would still be skeevy about it then as they were in 2154, and from Scotty’s point of view they’re probably still just barely suitable for human transport compared to what he’s used to.
Since people are asking about this in the comments:
The Franklin got her registry number when she was re-commissioned as a UFP Vessel. The ship is older than the NX-01. It just got assigned the registry 'NX-326' years later when the Federation was formed. She would have got her dedication plaque at this time too, so the plaque is probably about half as old as the ship, hence it looking more modern.
@@Bateluer Yep. The retcon should be folded into it's own temporal bubble and collapsed.
sadly, they kept the stupid romulus destruction so it is still unfortunately canon.
@@Bateluer not fan derived, it's what happened.
Sounds like they made that up to make the fans happy
Do more Expanse Ships !
Fun fact: *Justin Lin (director of ST: Beyond) named the U.S.S. Franklin after his father, Frank Lin.*
Tough little ship. 🖖
It's worth noting, that according to Memory Alpha, the dedication plaque on the bridge has a gap between the "k" and "l" as well. So it does actually say U.S.S. FRANK LIN.
The ships registry number (NX-326) is in honor of Leonard Nimoy's birthday--March, 26th.
If you were to buy Moebius Models U.S.S. Franklin 1/350 model kit, you can also buy aftermarket/hird-party parts to use the U.S.S. Frank Lin name/registry (as well as a few others) instead.
Does its spiritual decendants, the Defiant and Saber Classes, proud
Worf: *"Little?"*
@@LordBloodraven "Tough little ship."
What? That is so much lamer than being named after the WW2 carrier.
On the one hand, I'm not really into the "Kelvin timeline" as much as I otherwise would be. But on the other hand, I do appreciate how Beyond ties back into the Enterprise series.
Just skip Into Darkness and Kelvin timeline gets a lot better. They didnt need to redo Wrath of Kahn and the super blood of Kahn makes the movie just dumb. At least the original waited for a sequel before bringing Spock back to life and without the super blood of Kahn.
I don't, it just trued ti corrupt the main timeline
@@Mr.Adkins82 and it was Nimoy's final film.....ugh....what a way to go.
This ship was pivotal to the earth-romulan war, truly a glorious little ship.
@@Mr.Adkins82 incorrect child.
I personally love the smaller sized star ships, and that they looked like they could take a beating and still get the job done
You forgot the Franklin's most powerful weapon: The Beats and Shouting!
you mean the classical music??? ugh....
His chops are too righteous, our swarm can’t handle this level of rock and roll
Another Beastie Boys song, Intergalactic, has the line “like a pinch on the neck from Mr. Spock.” So... the Beastie Boys are time travelers?
That was a good weapon, but "Intergalactic Planetary" would have been a much more appropriate choice...
@@CantankerousDave I love Beastie Boys but if they were looking for an audio signal to disrupt whatever then wouldn't you want some techno?
like synthwave or something? imagine if they had used Purterbator or something, at least that's more chaotic and woulda fit their needs better....
of all the times to use a song cus of 1 line that kinda wasn't it lol
"Is that classical music?"
I instantly loved this ship design. I can't even say what made it so appealing to me, it just looked so solid and hearty while still being pretty sleek.
Saucer is chonky while the pylons are overengineered. I like it too, and in comparison I think some of the designs from Enterprise got a little too sleek too fast.
Like the warp 2 barrier ship from that flashback episode looks pretty Phoenix-y, but after that the other ships they showed (such as the Intrepid and stuff, with triangular and semicircular saucers) just looked more like regressed TOS designs to me than actually looking like a missing link type deal.
The Franklin doesn’t look like the Phoenix either, but it definitely looks more like they wanted it to be able to handle various stresses, possibly even minor collisions with space dust at speed, and stuff like that.
Man you have a one of a kind ability to make any spaceship seem cool. Your reviews are the reason I got into watching the Expanse. Now I want to go back and watch Star Trek Beyond again.
Of the three Kelvin Timeline movies, I like _Star Trek Beyond_ the most because it was written and directed by people who gave a damn and you can _feel_ the _Trek_ deeply embedded in the movie. Yes, _Beyond_ under-performed at the box office, and its pacing is off in a few spots, but it's charming enough that- IMO- it successfully overshadows the flaws and errors of its own two immediate predecessors.
On personal rankings, I place _Star Trek Beyond_ above all of the bad movies they made- including _Generations, Nemesis_ and _The Final Frontier._
*Hears original Star Trek Online login music* nice music choice, I like the "MACO scout motorcycle", very Trek lol
Happy 10 years of STO!
I really like this ship. I'll admit, my only meaningful exposure to Star Trek has been through the JJ films, and I must say I was fascinated by this ship when I saw it, Old Sci-fi tech has always struck a chord with me, whether it's the Y-Wings in Star Wars or the Warthogs in Halo, vehicles still serving and doing heroic things well after they were meant to be retired does a lot more for me than contemporary vehicles filling their design briefs
There’s an extra in the background of a few Enterprise S3 and S4 episodes that in my head canon is Edison
I really loved this little ship. There was something so charming about it, and I really loved the Enterprise NX-01 era callbacks like the uniforms of the Franklin's original crew and its "classical" music. lol
Also just love the idea that this old ship, almost a beta test version of the NX series, gets stranded on this planet, loses its original crew, is used as a half buried house essentially by someone for decades, against all odds when reactivated still works and carries the crew of the Enterprise to the end of the day when their fancy new Enterprise is torn to shreds and still manages to more or less remain intact when finally back in Federation hands. That thing better be honored and put into a museum because that is quite the journey.
When I first saw Beyond I felt they should’ve used Columbia as opposed to coming up with the Franklin, but the design has since grown on me and I quite like it now
When I first watched Beyond, I admit I mistook this thing for an NX-class refit of some kind.
I appreciate how the design of its saucer kinda bridges the gap between the NX and the Constitution.
I really dig the design of the Freedom class. Utilitarian and simple.
Beyond is such a great Trek film. The Kelvin timeline finally found the balance between modern sci-fi action and classic Trek feel
Probably because Beyond had both competent and Trek knowing writers(directors with Simon Pegg and Justin Lin at the helm.
I think that "Beyond" should've been the sequel to the 2009 film, honestly. It's a shame that because of poor marketing, and maybe "Into Darkness" leaving a bad taste in people's mouths, that it essentially flopped.
@@MichaelStephenLordReserei1987 Aye, I see it the same way.
@@MichaelStephenLordReserei1987 Agreed. After 2009, I wanted a Trek movie that fulfilled the exploration that introduced trek. Instead we got Into Darkness, which remade the most famous TOS storyline and was pretty lame. I think if Beyond had been the direct sequel to 2009, then we'd have a fourth Star Trek coming out this year and more following.
All the lore surrounding the Franklin, her design, and her captain is the best stuff to come out of the Kelvin films. Love that it pays hardcore homage to the Enterprise era
Say what you want about the JJ films but I love the Franklin.
It looks unique, has a nice story behind it and has that tough-little-ship charm to it. As an ENT fan I really liked it's addition and the feel of this ship, both as an partial instigator for the plot and the means to save the day. The shot of it coming out of the water and bearing the brunt of those swarm ships is one of my favourite scenes in Trek.
I like to imagine they salvaged the Franklin after the attack and fixed her up to working status, becoming the mascot of Yorktown kind of like the real life USS Constitution.
I always thought that TOS used a revised Warp Scale in which Warp 4 is equal to Warp 7 in the ENT era. And that the Franklin was the first vessel to reach Warp 7 in 2158. It would be a smaller, cheaper alternative to the NX class Starship and would be deployed en masse during the Earth Romulan War. Pulsed Phase Cannons were a new invention as of 2154 and Photonic Torpedoes were based on Vissian Photonic Weapons (And undoubtedly very expensive) which is why the Franklin used the much older Spatial Torpedoes (Which are presumably Advanced Nukes). The registry number NX-326 is it's launch Registry as Starfleet had expanded considerably since 2155. The Franklin would be rebranded a Federation Starship in 2161 and would embark on a 4 year Mission of Exploration during which it was presumed lost in the Gagarin Radiation Belt in 2164.
Some UFP admiral: "Let's recommission this old relic and give it to this guy we just made a captain because we didn't know what to do with him now the MACO's aren't a thing anymore. Let's not update the engines or the transporter, even though we are literally decommissioning ships with more advanced systems that these as being obsolete."
Starfleet basically told Edison to go fuck himself when they presented him with the Franklin. Even the ships that had replaced it were themselves outdated by the time Edison got his hands on this ship - the NX-01, the next iteration design from the Freedom class was on its way to be retired from service just prior to the inauguration of the Federation, and the recommission of the Franklin as the USS Franklin occurred even later than that.
@@shaftoe195 I am not confused. I was pointing out the necessary plot issue with presenting Edison with the Franklin when more advanced models were awaiting decommissioning and scrapping. I'm well aware that the NX-02 Colombia was still in service beyond the formation of the Federation, but I fail to see how that was relevant to this discussion, especially since that actually only serves to further highlight my original point by making the Franklin even more out of date than it already was. It might have been better than nothing, sure, but, as a comparison, it would be like giving a person today a WWII propeller fighter plane when more advanced jets are idling in a hanger decommissioned as obsolete. Completely unsuitable to handle the needs of the time.
It was a necessary plot point, showing how little the newly formed Federation cared for him now that he was considered an antiquated relic himself that they couldn't spare the effort to upgrade the ship's engines or internal tech to what was at the time considered the bare minimum. It was an insult to him, and I feel intended to just get him out of sight while the Federation restructures itself into a more pacifistic organisation than the MACO's would be suited for.
The Miranda and Excelsior class ships would receive upgrades throughout their lifespan, incorporating improving tech in order to help keep them relevant against newer designs. They didn't do this for the Franklin, sending it out in its stock model form when more advanced technology was available.
@@Fimbulvinter19 Old isn't necessarily obsolete. Besides, some people prefer the old over new anyway. :P
Comparatively, he still got a better ship than what Miranda and Oberth-class captains were getting in the 24th Century
I love that commentary on the Federation not knowing what to do with the MACOs and the blatant disrespect there. It was like they just wanted to tuck them away somewhere. It tracks
@@shaftoe195 I really liked how the point about the Columbia being so different was integrated into the story, since so many inaugural ships of a class do have tons of small and large changes vs later ones, and are indeed often decommissioned early if retrofitting is deemed to be about as expensive as building a whole new one.
I just feel like Trek didn’t really go into that very much elsewise, when they absolutely could’ve to some large or small degree with the Defiant, the Excelsior, and possibly the Intrepid classes.
Plus it served a narrative purpose too: Archer was all excited to get the first one his dad dreamed about, and I think he was later kind of jealous of Columbia being in many ways so much better. Even though of course it couldn’t have happened without the… 3? retrofits his team did on the Enterprise in those first couple years.
The best design of the Kelvin Universe, and one of the best designed federation ships in a long time. Thanks for the info on this awesome little ship
This was pre Kelvin timeline, even before Enterprise.
@@stantonvalberg9814 in other words, this shouldnt exist. As Kelvin Universe starts only after the Kelvin incident and not before ?
@@GWFires It exists in both Prime, and Kelvin universe, as the split occurs a century later.
That is a tiny craft. It makes the Defiant look big.
True, 'Beyond' was a good movie and deserved better.
My favorite of the three reboot movies.
@Dark Sith Lord nah beyond is great
@Dark Sith Lord I disagree, but your opinion. :)
@Dark Sith Lord I believe it is actually pretty good. Hopeful, not darkness incarnate like modern Trek. Easily the best of the reboot films, and better than most if not all the TNG movies.
Gotta say, I fell in love with this design.
Captain Kirk:"Let's make some noise."
Scotty:*Plays Sabotage by The Beastie Boys*
Captain Kirk:"It's a good choice"
Never been a fan of the Kelvin timeline, but I do like the ships, especially this little one, fast, durable, maneuverable. It fits in so well with how early space exploration would have been, and (as usual) your breakdown is very thorough.
Although not technically cannon, can you do a breakdown of the Larson class?
So what happened to Captain Edison in the Prime timeline?
Is he still waiting, that item never logged into Starfleet inventory?
Did Starfleet inventory change their passwords?
Or did he attack in the time of TNG and get taken out by a Nebula class ship who's shields just yawned at his drones…
I've been wondering that myself and have been, slowly, writing up a fan fic which explores that. I'm officially writing a story to explain how Discovery is an alternate reality created by the Temporal Cold War and in one mission the USS Franklin gets involved and accidentally lost. I'm thinking I want the USS Excelsior and USS Enterprise-B to eventually discover the fate of Edison. But that's just my take on it and what happened to him in canon is unknown.
One also has to think of what became of Jayla.
Was she stuck on that planet forever, or was she killed by Edison (or his crew)?
Edit: Or the very, very, slim chance she escaped.
@@NihilusShadow hey, since you seem to like bashing on DSC out of a misguided sense of loyalty to so called canon why not write a story explaining why Voyager and the other ships of the 24th century dont just downgrade to the technology that allowed Kirk and friends to crisscross the galaxy at a whim?
How about a story explaining how Kirk's Enterprise could detect a cloaked ship well enough perfectly match its every manuver but for some reason didnt know where it was when it came time to shoot?
There are so many other inconsistencies that need fan retcons to make them right!
@@DrewLSsix those are still minor compared to STD's continuity errors. And at least those shows were good. If it wasn't for the Star Trek label that would've been cancelled faster than Firefly.
In the "Prime timeline" everything happened the same way, just the Enterprise 1701 had 200+ fighter drone ships up its ass as of the Discovery Season 2 finale, 10-ish years before Kirk and could easily handle the drone swarm on its first encounter instead of Kelvin-Spock reporting "we are not equipped for this kind of engagement"...
This genuinely made me want to go back and watch Beyond. Nice job, Spacedock!
Probably my favorite ship introduced in the Kelvin movies. I think its interesting that when Sean Hargreaves designed her he didnt use the NX-01 as a base it was just a happy accident.
"Let's make some noise!"
Love the script for these videos. You do a great job of filling in all the historical and technical holes that the shows and movies fail to address
This is from my favorite movie of the reboot franchise. Nice too see what Starfleet considers a frigate.
I love this ship so when I got a chance to get this bird on Star Trek Online I lost my mind. I did a total theme build and haven’t looked back. Now if I could just remember which parts in the lighting kit goes where, its my first time building a model with a lighting kit, I can finish my scale model which I’ve been staring at on my work bench for well over a year. Engage!
Loved how you managed to fit this ship in the timeline when the writer from the movie sorted wrote themselves into a continuity plot hole since the Franklin is suppose to be younger than NX-01 Enterprise but was suppose to a revolutionary ship for it time when the most advance ship was suppose to be the NX series.
The writers didn't put themselves into a corner, you're just a fucking idiot who didn't pay attention. At no point in the movie did they say it was the most revolutionary ship ever in that era. They said said it was the first warp 4 capable ship.....that's it......
Got really excited for a review of the Freedom-class, but it wasn't the one I expected.
Freedom class is truly an awesome ship design!! Great video! Always enjoy the content your channel provides! 🙂🖖🏽
Star Trek has a few cool ships and this is one of them.
I just literally finished rewatching Beyond and was looking for info on the Franklin!
Kicked ass during the Romulan-Earth War
Very nice little ship
I love smaller ships like this, The Calnus from Star Ocean Last Hope, and the Tempest for Mass Effect Andromeda.
Not a bad looking ship really imo. Your videos as always are spot on perfect.
I kinda love this ship, thanks for the video.
Another great vid, Daniel! The whole Kelvin timeline NX-336 superseding the NX-01 makes my head hurt, but at least it's a cool little ship. "Beyond" was a surprisingly good picture, even with jumbled-up timeline (yeah, I know, the Kelvin timeline made ripples of change go back into time, too...yadda...yadda...yadda). I think I might be one of the few who really, really like the NCC-1701 Enterprise from "Beyond" as much, if not more, than Pike's from "Discovery." But that's a different vid.
It could be just a matter of competing projects, working in tandem, with Archer focusing on breaking the Warp-5 barrier while any new development gets pawned off to other managers for further study. I mean, even today, you have multiple entitles, like SpaceX and Blue Origins, working on going back to the Moon, under the watch of NASA...
@@dswynne yeah, maybe it wasn’t even made by the UESPA, maybe it was some other division of UE Starfleet.
@@kaitlyn__L 🤔
In depth as always. Are you still looking into doing a breakdown of the odyssey class for picard?
Can you do a detailed analysis video on the Imperium's battleship and show the weapons and how powerful they are and their functions?
+Thor's Hammer
Not sure they're the right channel for that; they've never done complete breakdowns of any setting's navy.
The closest they've come is the Astartes Battle Barge video,
ruclips.net/video/wJ_Lz0HoM2k/видео.html
But even then they skim over the weapon's complement.
40K analyses are especially tricky because the 40K universe is intentionally vague embellished to an absurd degree.
Don't get me wrong, I love 40K lore and would be down to see more vids on them, but it doesn't surprise me that the lads at Spacedock don't tackle it more often
The standard statistics for 40k navies are:
Size: as big as the author needs.
Weapons: lots. As big and numerous as the story demands.
Speed: somewhere between 'near instant interstellar response' and 'may get there this century. Maybe. Could be last century.'
Spikes: yes.
Not sure it's more than 25% different than a _Loknar_ class. But putting it earlier in the timeline works. Also, interesting way to split the difference between Classic and JJ aesthetic, so to accommodate the eventual timeline split.
I was wondering if anyone else saw the similarity. Granted, the Loknar class was only ever in the FASA Star Trek roleplaying game, but it actually had me geeking out hoping there would be more references to that background material, as non-canon as it was.
It has a kick ass sound system too.
I love this ship! My favorite design.
Waite so this came before Archers NX-01 Enterprise ?.
Can you do The NX-01 ? respect dude 😃👍🏻.
He already did.
ruclips.net/video/E-Ywy_kUnuk/видео.html
Phoenix(Warp 1), NX Alpha/Beta(Warp 2), Warp Delta(Warp 3), Franklin(Warp 4), NX01 Enterprise(Warp 5).
He already did! Lol!
That's what they said in the film, it was the first warp four Starfleet ship.
Hi, Good morning, It is nice and cool here in Canada 5c ya baby. I like the ship and the fact it was in a Kelvin movie was nice.
You should do a breakdown on the Airwolf helicopter.. with that said. Have fun re-watching the TV series. That theme music!!!!
A shame nobody saw Beyond, it was the best of those movies.
Beyond is genuently one of the best Trek movies. it is basically a big budged Shuttlecrash episode like we got in TOS and TNG numerous time.
I saw it so did many others so ?? and to me In to Darkness is the best one.
RexRye no
Beyond was terrible.
Old World Jones all the new Trek fils and actors were horrible! So sick of reboots...
This one has an interesting configuration that harkens back to the great FASA designs. Unfortunately the whole thing is ruined by those gaudy post-Kelvin timeline bullhorn nacelles.
I knew there was a reason I liked the Franklin. My first rule of fleet design is "One can never have too many frigates. Rule number two is "First learn rule number one,"
At first, when I saw this ship, I thought it was a Kelvin timeline version of the NX-01. Glad to know it was a different class of ship, altogether.
Please cover more kelvin timeline ships 🙏
Memory Alpha reports that the Freedom Class was introduced in 2161 while the NX class Enterprise was launched in 2151. I'm only stating this because the NX-01 Enterprise was the first warp 5 capable ship. I think you might be mistaken here.
Lovely Corvette.
How's the Sojourn coming along?
This is probably the one Star Fleet ship design that I like. It doesn't have the separate engineering area that the Enterprise and other, more modern star fleet ships had. Those things always struck me as a very inviting target for disabling or boarding a ship.
Um... The Freedom Class Transporters WERE NOT cleared for BIO-USE and Canon also states this as Lcdr. Scott (Scotty) had to make alterations to the system on the Franklin to make it barely safe for bio-matter transport. Also, It was a continuity mistake that it had phase canons or spatial torpedoes as, those were newly developed weapons on the NX-01 Enterprise which came after the Franklin as the first warp 5 vessel. The biggest continuity issue is the Xindi war, which didnt occur until the time of the NX01, Enterprise long after the Franklin was in service/lost.
This method of bump starting a Starship would be largely lost on our counterparts across the pond with their auto gearboxes. Stick it into second, release the clutch before you hit the ground.....Keep your Starship rocking!
The naccels are a bit too big in my opinion. I think it should have been similar to the NX-01's naccels rather than the weird looking Kelvin Enterprises naccels
Oh those Nausicans!!
This class of ships has always been a odd one to me and I am sure for others as well. It plainly came before the NX Class Enterprise, but it has a much higher registry number and is not the same class as the Enterprise. That being said, like many Treker's,... I would have loved to have seen more of the ship and its layout.
damn you just beat me to it! i was gonna cover the Freedom in my episode on the Battle of Cheron.
Venom Geek Media 98 I like how you RUclipsrs watch each other’s channel and are friends.
@@jeffhallam2004 i wish that were so. BTW Daniel if your reading this i'd be down for a collab.
While i am a bit meh on the Kelvin timeline generally I do like the look and feel of this ship, which feels very much like it fits in the 'Enterprise' era. It probably helps that it is the first craft you can use as a United Earth player in the 'Star Trek New Civilizations' mod for Stellaris so I have a lot of fondness for this humble but surprisingly capable little vessel.
Ships I'd like to see Spacedock make an episode about
Star Wars - The Rogue Shadow
Star Wars - I-7 Howlrunner
Star Fox - Arwing
Metroid - Samus' Gunship
Outlaw Star - The Outlaw Star
Actually let's add the Absolution from Toonami, could make a good comedic episode talking about it being a broadcast space ship
Such a cool looking ship i luv the design, about the only thing i like from the Kelvin Timeline.
The U.S.S. Franklin was one of the few good things that I liked about Star Trek: Beyond.
it's the worst part about it
If my head cannon, ships of this class are still being used around the Sol system, and especially ESD. Acting as a tug/transport ship, it wouldn't need to be particularly fast, well armed or well armoured. In fact it is almost perfect for acting as a tug; it's a highly maneuverable ship with great sub light speeds and a spaceframe strong enough to withstand the strains of pulling something like a galaxy class. A lot of the internal space can be given over to better engines and a strong tractor beam. You can get rid of crew quarters and recreational rooms as they would be operating from a large star base.
And let's be honest, with how long star fleet have kept the excelsior class in service, it isn't too much of a stretch to have these whizzing about ESD.
I know the models don’t actually quite match up, but they’re similar enough that now I want to think of the two ships towing the Enterprise in Disco S2E1 as being this class.
Looking back I wonder any chance for the Yorktown class Starbase
Looking at the Freedom see at Warp 5 ships needed for defense as how bad the ECS getting mulled.
I like that little ship.... Kinda wish we saw her more
Ok I love how you used Star Trek online music in the background, STO has always had a really good music track, Shame it’s non cannon.
Before I saw this vide o I just assumed the Franklin was the same class as the NX Enterprise. Thanks for all the great content and have you considered doing a video on the Discovery One from 2001 A Space Odyssey.
This is what the NX-01 should've looked like, bridge, small size, and all (though newer). It seemed a better representation of what might come between older NASA/Earth-types and Starfleet. Instead, we got upside-down Akira with a more standard Star Trek interior (though at least a bit more utilitarian).
Honestly love the design
Please do a breakdown on NTE-3120 NSEA-Protector from Galaxy Quest
I thought at first that this was the Freedom class from the Wolf 359 post-battle starship graveyard scene. I think the ship was the USS Firebrand.
I love my Freedom Class Starship🗿
Can’t wait to see Spacedock videos on the new ships in Picard.
Also I’m going to be sorely disappointed if they kill off Picard’s Romulan companions
Space one/mega maid deserves a video
More homeworld ships please
What about a break down of the ECTO-1 and ECTO -1A from the GHOSTBUSTERS franchise and The TARDIS from DR.WHO?
Thank you
Armed with pulsed phased cannons, spatial torpedoes and a radio.
Cool video. Never seen the movie, JJ lost me with the 2nd Star Trek reboot film. Ironically it might have been the best of the three.
The first tough little ship
Little. (Worf)
@@perrycagle2009 I still think if Sisko had been there, Riker would have had to go to Sickbay...
NX was meant to denote a prototype ship (Defiant and Excelsior), which would then switch to an NCC registration once mass productin begins. Seems like the Enterprise writers did not realise this and decided NX should be a class. Stupid recons are not a new thing. I think NX is an offical US naval designation, and probably where they got the idea from.
Love the vids... could you do the Prometheus and Titan ships as well as the Zindi ships? Thanks
Could you do a review on the ISA cruisers from killzone. Always been curious about those things
MAKE A WALLENBERG CLASS TRANSPORT PLEASE
Thanks for the content.
Can you do, USS Enterprise (CV-6)?
I have a Subscription to eagle moss star trek and i got the plaque for this ship and it lists it as a star ship class
No Bald Eagles. Freedom class not Free enough.
Honestly, if they just made the Franklin another NX class, that would have made a hell of a lot of people happier than just jamming their own shit in and screwing it up even more. Hell, make it an NX refit not unlike the 1701. That would have enriched the class without pissing people off so much.
Did they name the Franklin after Benjamin Franklin, or, as I suspect, the unsuccessful British Explorer Sir John Franklin who got his entire crew killed trying to find the Northwest Passage when his ship (HMS Terror) got irretrievably stuck in the ice and his crew ended up cannibalising each other?
Actually the director Justin Lin named it after his father Frank Lin. Frank-lin.
I saw somebody flying it in Star Trek online and is puny
What happend to the sojourn?
So how does it have one of the first transporters rated for human transport when it was a warp 4 ship and NX-01 enterprise also have the same setup where human transport was just approved at the start of its run? I'm sure it was a little while before warp 5 came along after this ship was commissioned. Or was the transporter added after it's in service date?
"Prime" Universe / Kelvin universe... those never pretended to line up.
Yeah I could see it being a transporter from 2165 or 2170 or something. I imagine most people would still be skeevy about it then as they were in 2154, and from Scotty’s point of view they’re probably still just barely suitable for human transport compared to what he’s used to.