Your efficiency score method is really good. And very nice video overall. The only way it could be improved, perhaps, is a more detailed discussion on optimization for suppressors specifically, since the .308 is a loud round to fire, full-auto especially.
Cheers, yeah I kind of left that as its sooo hard to make the builds work with the suppressors & close range - honestly would rather make another gun for long range so it seemed a bit limited to me
Im so happy you finally made a breakdown for this complicated beast of a firearm its my favorite tool and im glad it now has a handcrafted user's manual
Gun guy here, so brief explanation. DSA bought the tooling that Austria used to make the StG 58, which was their localized version of the Belgian FN FAL which they produced under license. FALs fall under two pattern types that are incompatible with each other, metric which is what most nations that adopted the rifle used, and inch which the UK and her Commonwealth countries commonly used. Both the StG 58 and the FAL are metric patterns so there is pretty much perfect part interchangeability with them. Early on DSA assembled their guns from parts kits derived from the StG 58, when they bought up all the tooling from Steyr and began to produce the rifles entirely in the USA they changed the name to the SA 58.
My favorite weapon in eft. Unfortunately the muzzle flash makes full auto completely unusable for me since the big SA nerf. My favorite build is the non meta short barrel build with 65 ergo and 105-112 recoil in single fire mode. Easier on the wallet and always comes back in insurance :)
Aren't longer weapons more susceptible to being pushed away in close encounters also? I noticed I was able to rush and kill some chads using longer weapons and they look like it was being pushed up and away and I took zero shots
Offtopic question (for next QnA maybe?): how do you deal with different armor turn speed debuffs? Does it really affect your aiming precision or not? Is it better to just use 2-3 most popular armor vests/rigs so you get used to them?
I think it probably affects me more than I realise, especially after feeling so nimble in the new wipe haha. But yes using consistent gear does help with muscle memory, I just kind of live with it and use low debuff % armor like aacpc, tactec and slick later on
As a level 12 with not a single level 2 trader It pains me to see how high this gun is. I bought it off of Fence with only two 10 round magazines. So 31 rounds in tottal. After a quest run on Customs that was supposed to be a "Go in. Kill Sacvs. Optionaly exfill." Turned into a desperate walk to any Exfill to save my Fal. At the end i was left with 5 bullets (Went in with 61) and 11 kills on the board. Amazing gun and video!
MDR Vudu is the best gun of the wipe. Hands down - no competition. That comes from a SA/HK Labs main with 6k PMC kills. SA-58 with high assault rifle skill and maxed out recoil control is nutty. It’s a CQB monster and the ergo glitch for the 50 rounders is a must. Meta SA is basically a CQB god that compensates raw stopping power for mid-long range abilities. M61 being batshit OP this wipe makes it uncontested at CQB fights.
Nice. Yeah I have struggled with the 20r on the mdr sometimes - I think this is more of a 'me' issue but plenty of others will have this problem too I think!
@@Gigabeef Reason for why MDR Vudu is the strongest gun of the wipe: Godlike ergo, compact size - you can hold and push crazy angles, M61 = 2 tap thorax at any range and negates all armour in game, can go full auto if needed - still accurate at mid - long range. It's basically like the SA was two wipes ago - just with better ergo and shorter gun length.
They do the SA-58 dirty in Tarkov. There are countless reports of how surprisingly nimble a base 21" service model is. If it were more accurate to real life, I think people would understand why its known as "the Right Hand of the Free World."
I find the SA58 is best used as a short barrel CQB gun, just make sure you tap fire it, not full auto. It can hold its own at range, but it's not ideal. You're not gonna be going for headshots in CQB with this, since it kicks so hard, you're gonna essentially be trying to brute force your way through someone's armor, which with its fire rate and being a .308, is VERY easy. I've personally found M80 is the perfect round for it, it does enough to get through high tier armor quickly, while not losing flesh damage in the higher pen rounds
The 50 round FAL mag used to be incredibly cheap, idk if they changed something or if this is because of the pre wipe pricing but either was I am not happy lol
Hey man, this helped alot getting into the SA. We got to burn the money now and this guide helps alot :D Just a question by the side, which program are you using to record your videos? Love your content and the Podcast. Keep it up
Depends what you wanna do with it. With max traders the compensator is a definite yes, and the brs stock is not too bad for what you get, plus some budgety foregrip like the cobra instead perhaps, that would give good value. Otherwise the recoil is WAY too much to use properly on full auto imo, and if semi just use another gun
I'd like to think the RK1 is a very viable alternative to the RK2, it trades +4 Ergo per % of recoil, and only goes down by one point of recoil, which is not quiiiite as good as the Shift, but it is cheaper and better on recoil, so it has that going for it.
A bit weird but did any of you guys know to do the most zoomed ADS but not actually turning on the PIP feature? FPS drop felt soo bad in cheap PC guys. Anyway have a nice day
RSASS is very expensive for what you get imo and also I'm not actually that experienced with it! Have used the Sr and m1a alot more It's a good weapon for semi though to be clear, I just don't think it justifies the price
@@Gigabeef since u like to get scientific and all, can you like make vids compare the Fal and Rsass in term of performance. Because all i know is RSASS kind superior in making smiley laser and tons of flashlight in one gun lol Anyway have a great day
Is muzzle flash intrinsic with .308 weapons IRL? I always thought that too much or consistently having flash indicates an issue where not enough powder is burning in the barrel, thus burning outside of it and being very visible. I just assumed BSG was using it as a kind of balancing mechanic with the SA.
I think it's on all of the blast mitigation style compensators, ie the bmd for 308 and also the ferfrans or the jailbrake for the m4. Not sure about irl to be honest, I suspect its a balance thing but don't quote me on that haha
I don't know if it's something to include in your videos and with the patch coming it may change, but if you load a magazine AFTER going into raid (as opposed to in hideout) then you don't lose ergo. I've tested this at the firing range and it works there too.
Create and equip two identical weapons that differ in one having the 50 rounder loaded (higher ergo penalty is easier to notice) and the other one does not. Bring an identical 50 rounder in your rig. Test ADS time of each weapon. You should find a difference in ergo. Now load the unloaded weapon. ADS again and see if the ADS time doesn't change. Ive tested this with the PPSH, m4, and 7.62 AK.
I did it just as he said on the long barrel optimized and no way it gets there on recoil and ergo. Can someone post a list to verify the build? the list for long barrel optimized?
Base stats of the sa58 were changed in the latest patch, 20 ergo to 7 (this is huge) and 165 recoil to 175. Given the changes are on the base, they affect every build, plus suppressors are even more damaging to ergo now as they have been nerfed too
sa58 vs mdr 762 of course the mdr wins because sa58 is a meme gun at this point way to hard to control. unless you crouch if you move at all you miss a lot.
Fuck I hate Uber meta guns a 21 inch barrel irl is a bitch to use 13 to 16 inches is about as long as I’d go and still maintain 2450 some odd feet per second that and the sa-58 irl has a really really nice recoil impulse I mean like no real vertical movement if you tune the gas system Correctly
Your efficiency score method is really good. And very nice video overall. The only way it could be improved, perhaps, is a more detailed discussion on optimization for suppressors specifically, since the .308 is a loud round to fire, full-auto especially.
Cheers, yeah I kind of left that as its sooo hard to make the builds work with the suppressors & close range - honestly would rather make another gun for long range so it seemed a bit limited to me
Love these gun builds, the breakdowns of essentially breakpoints and performance to rouble ratio are so much more informative than a shopping lost.
Im so happy you finally made a breakdown for this complicated beast of a firearm
its my favorite tool and im glad it now has a handcrafted user's manual
Hahaha thanks!
excited to try this guy out after getting insanely rich from whatever BS is going on right now in tarkov
Woo hoo! Free money for everyone :D
"whatever bs" is wipe >:)
Have fun with the m61 prices
@@devine8296 max traders 😄
BS rounds are going
Gun guy here, so brief explanation. DSA bought the tooling that Austria used to make the StG 58, which was their localized version of the Belgian FN FAL which they produced under license. FALs fall under two pattern types that are incompatible with each other, metric which is what most nations that adopted the rifle used, and inch which the UK and her Commonwealth countries commonly used. Both the StG 58 and the FAL are metric patterns so there is pretty much perfect part interchangeability with them. Early on DSA assembled their guns from parts kits derived from the StG 58, when they bought up all the tooling from Steyr and began to produce the rifles entirely in the USA they changed the name to the SA 58.
Nice! Thanks :)
My favorite weapon in eft. Unfortunately the muzzle flash makes full auto completely unusable for me since the big SA nerf. My favorite build is the non meta short barrel build with 65 ergo and 105-112 recoil in single fire mode. Easier on the wallet and always comes back in insurance :)
Fair! I prefer to use the sr25 for that role, but I guess it's nice to have full auto just in case in cqb spray & pray :)
Hi can I have the list you use?
Aren't longer weapons more susceptible to being pushed away in close encounters also?
I noticed I was able to rush and kill some chads using longer weapons and they look like it was being pushed up and away and I took zero shots
Yep 100% you can push the barrel aside by being too close
This is my first wipe and I have to say your videos have saved me so much time and helped me learn. Thanks for all your hard work!
No problem, thank for watching!
Love using this gun, has been my go to for the past month.
Offtopic question (for next QnA maybe?): how do you deal with different armor turn speed debuffs? Does it really affect your aiming precision or not? Is it better to just use 2-3 most popular armor vests/rigs so you get used to them?
I think it probably affects me more than I realise, especially after feeling so nimble in the new wipe haha. But yes using consistent gear does help with muscle memory, I just kind of live with it and use low debuff % armor like aacpc, tactec and slick later on
i personally recommend no stock shortest barrel FAL with m62 for added recoil
Kekw
And no mag so it’s a breach loader
@@xxdeadoutxx761 gotta load it like a shotgun lol, california compliant
As a level 12 with not a single level 2 trader
It pains me to see how high this gun is. I bought it off of Fence with only two 10 round magazines. So 31 rounds in tottal. After a quest run on Customs that was supposed to be a "Go in. Kill Sacvs. Optionaly exfill." Turned into a desperate walk to any Exfill to save my Fal. At the end i was left with 5 bullets (Went in with 61) and 11 kills on the board. Amazing gun and video!
Sa 58 makes me very happy
:)
MDR Vudu is the best gun of the wipe. Hands down - no competition. That comes from a SA/HK Labs main with 6k PMC kills.
SA-58 with high assault rifle skill and maxed out recoil control is nutty. It’s a CQB monster and the ergo glitch for the 50 rounders is a must.
Meta SA is basically a CQB god that compensates raw stopping power for mid-long range abilities. M61 being batshit OP this wipe makes it uncontested at CQB fights.
Nice. Yeah I have struggled with the 20r on the mdr sometimes - I think this is more of a 'me' issue but plenty of others will have this problem too I think!
@@Gigabeef Reason for why MDR Vudu is the strongest gun of the wipe: Godlike ergo, compact size - you can hold and push crazy angles, M61 = 2 tap thorax at any range and negates all armour in game, can go full auto if needed - still accurate at mid - long range.
It's basically like the SA was two wipes ago - just with better ergo and shorter gun length.
Yeah agreed its very good at basically all aspects
They do the SA-58 dirty in Tarkov. There are countless reports of how surprisingly nimble a base 21" service model is.
If it were more accurate to real life, I think people would understand why its known as "the Right Hand of the Free World."
You're a gentleman and a scholar, Gigz. We looove yoooouuuu.
Haha thanks!
Great guide! I want to main some new weapons for next wipe and now I might pick up the Fal.
Nice! It's an interesting one, mega powerful in some ways but a compromise in others :)
I find the SA58 is best used as a short barrel CQB gun, just make sure you tap fire it, not full auto. It can hold its own at range, but it's not ideal. You're not gonna be going for headshots in CQB with this, since it kicks so hard, you're gonna essentially be trying to brute force your way through someone's armor, which with its fire rate and being a .308, is VERY easy. I've personally found M80 is the perfect round for it, it does enough to get through high tier armor quickly, while not losing flesh damage in the higher pen rounds
The 50 round FAL mag used to be incredibly cheap, idk if they changed something or if this is because of the pre wipe pricing but either was I am not happy lol
The barter life for us!
I had no idea you could mod the SA-58 like that, cool!
Glad to be of service :)
Very detailed as usual. Great guide.
thanks for the video, im trying to get into the sa58 so this is gonna help alot!
Hey man, this helped alot getting into the SA. We got to burn the money now and this guide helps alot :D
Just a question by the side, which program are you using to record your videos?
Love your content and the Podcast. Keep it up
Thanks alot! I use streamlabs obs, I record at the same time as streaming but in much higher quality for youtube :) the files are MASSIVE though haha
Your brilliance is impressive as always
Haha too kind!
scavs have been replaced with raiders!!! its time boys
Wooo let's go
not replaced.
just higher spawn chance.
Great guide! Do you think modding this weapon is worth the money (without taking the end of the wipe into account)?
Depends what you wanna do with it. With max traders the compensator is a definite yes, and the brs stock is not too bad for what you get, plus some budgety foregrip like the cobra instead perhaps, that would give good value. Otherwise the recoil is WAY too much to use properly on full auto imo, and if semi just use another gun
I'd like to think the RK1 is a very viable alternative to the RK2, it trades +4 Ergo per % of recoil, and only goes down by one point of recoil, which is not quiiiite as good as the Shift, but it is cheaper and better on recoil, so it has that going for it.
For the algorithm!! Good video mate
Nice Video overall, but i would have liked to know what your preferred budget and meta build would look like.
Aaaaaand m61 thru the roof yet again after this one
Not me this time its the potential wipe! 15k a round is pretty steep lol. M995 is the same
@@Gigabeef 15??? It was 4 when I was playing two days ago good thing I stocked up lmao
That last bit of the video...how are you getting these buttery smooth framerates?
Every other scav has been a fal for me, feels like scav gear has been MUCH better for me overall
Always the dream! Sometimes the ammo pretty bad tho
@@Gigabeef usually seems to be sadly, but I’ve been enough of a menace as it is so I can’t complain
i decided to build this weapon because i am getting a lot of sa58 weapon parts loots (barrel, butt stock, and handguard for now)
I don't think you actually posted the final build cost! I am curious now
Good job man!
my SA58 build has 73 Recoil and 49 Ergo and 20 round mags and i slay nerds all the time with it
Aside from the irons, the gun's pretty good stock as well if you need a budget chad killer
It's a bit of a beast on full auto haha
A bit weird but did any of you guys know to do the most zoomed ADS but not actually turning on the PIP feature? FPS drop felt soo bad in cheap PC guys. Anyway have a nice day
Haven't really tested it, all the red dots feel about the same to me which is what you have to do, I imaging the hss one still does pip
Why do i do the same build and i have 120 recoil ?!
Sa58 was changed and I haven't made an updated vid, basically
Why RSASS never get mentioned, since both use same ammo, is RSASS considered inferior?
RSASS is very expensive for what you get imo and also I'm not actually that experienced with it! Have used the Sr and m1a alot more
It's a good weapon for semi though to be clear, I just don't think it justifies the price
@@Gigabeef since u like to get scientific and all, can you like make vids compare the Fal and Rsass in term of performance. Because all i know is RSASS kind superior in making smiley laser and tons of flashlight in one gun lol
Anyway have a great day
Haha ill put it on the list :) might get to it eventually!
Is muzzle flash intrinsic with .308 weapons IRL? I always thought that too much or consistently having flash indicates an issue where not enough powder is burning in the barrel, thus burning outside of it and being very visible. I just assumed BSG was using it as a kind of balancing mechanic with the SA.
I think it's on all of the blast mitigation style compensators, ie the bmd for 308 and also the ferfrans or the jailbrake for the m4. Not sure about irl to be honest, I suspect its a balance thing but don't quote me on that haha
5:31 that is not the 66 recoil, that is the suppressed 73 recoil
Using the 66 recoil build gives less recoil obviously but a blinding muzzle flash
O damn I used the wrong clip! Doh
@@Gigabeef all good, just wanted to point it out for those who didn't use the fal :)
would you give a guide over how to manually control recoil
Try this one :)
ruclips.net/video/GUKViZLeMXk/видео.html
I don't know if it's something to include in your videos and with the patch coming it may change, but if you load a magazine AFTER going into raid (as opposed to in hideout) then you don't lose ergo. I've tested this at the firing range and it works there too.
As in if you have no mag and you add a 50r once you're in there's no ergo penalty? How did you test this out of interest
Create and equip two identical weapons that differ in one having the 50 rounder loaded (higher ergo penalty is easier to notice) and the other one does not. Bring an identical 50 rounder in your rig.
Test ADS time of each weapon. You should find a difference in ergo.
Now load the unloaded weapon.
ADS again and see if the ADS time doesn't change.
Ive tested this with the PPSH, m4, and 7.62 AK.
Cool. I'll check it out after the new patch drops at some point, thanks for letting me know!
Shorty barrel with the drum mag and juice factory
that extract money got me acting sussy
🤪
You look like a clone of a guy I went to college with.
Giga army unite
Good adviceroni
All the raiders in the game right now scared the shit out of me.
What I learned from this video is to sell all the SA-58s I find.
Man says way cheaper on flea market when there’s an inflation 😂😂
Bah yup got rekt with the timing on that one 😂
2:08 face shields save lives
There is a reason they don’t use the full auto on the FAL irl
make place for a nother candidate the ash-12 ;)
Haha ill give it a go at some point, didn't work out well for me the first time XD
came to this thanks to the recent recoil buff
What is that scope called with the 6x zoom and red dot ontop?
Hi Gigabeef, is this guide still actual in the current patch?
Hey, some of the numbers are different now as the gun was nerfed, mostly on ergo
Laughs in RFB with 70 ergo and 20 round plastimags
I cant seem to build it, has the player nvl anything to do?
I did it just as he said on the long barrel optimized and no way it gets there on recoil and ergo. Can someone post a list to verify the build? the list for long barrel optimized?
Base stats of the sa58 were changed in the latest patch, 20 ergo to 7 (this is huge) and 165 recoil to 175.
Given the changes are on the base, they affect every build, plus suppressors are even more damaging to ergo now as they have been nerfed too
@@Gigabeef are u going to make a new video for 12.11 builds?
Eventually probably, but not planning on it super soon
Hate the SA-58 just cause how bouncy it is but by god does it drop people
sa58 vs mdr 762 of course the mdr wins because sa58 is a meme gun at this point way to hard to control. unless you crouch if you move at all you miss a lot.
modding an SA-58? nah mate you crank up that "Rhodesians never die" and run it stock
For the algorithm
Fuck I hate Uber meta guns a 21 inch barrel irl is a bitch to use 13 to 16 inches is about as long as I’d go and still maintain 2450 some odd feet per second that and the sa-58 irl has a really really nice recoil impulse I mean like no real vertical movement if you tune the gas system Correctly
cool
Do meme gun builds?
Hah maybe
@@Gigabeef hmmm