Why Dragon Ball Super is BETTER THAN Dragon Ball GT
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In this video I'll be giving my last opinion on which I think is better between Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball GT.
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I like Ultra Instinct.
Me too.
Same
I like Super more because I feel like the battles and powers are just a lot more creative, and there is so much more diversity in terms of fighting styles. Characters like UI Goku, Hit, Jiren, Zamasu, Granolah, and Moro all have their own distinct set of powers and fighting styles, which is something that I think GT characters lacked. All the fight scenes in GT felt too similar and not diverse enough.
Yeah so there's a problem gt is often called too repetitive but it's the opposite to me
Many unique battle fields and moments in gt that I enjoyed whereas in Super
Alot of the fight scenes especially in the T.O.P have alot of people firing rapid ki blast and basic punch patterns
There are unique fighters but alot of it feels undiverse to me
That being said notably the way dyspos , hit and toppo fight is so much fun to watch and I severly enjoy it
Not forgetting universe 2 and the cat girl hop she's fucking lovely
oh and ui moves interesting aswell with it's fluency and the way Zamasu fights divine like atleast at first *not later* is very neat
Moro himself is unique but his style feels basic
Granolah is cool as he's like a sniper which is a unique thing in dragon ball so I like it
@@gabrielchastain6091 My issue is that GT fight scenes are just straight bland and boring. No unique powers are involved whereas DBS has still like Hit's timeskip, Moro's magic, Fused Zamasu's angel lightning, Granolah's sniping, and more. GT fights just feel uninspired in comparison. Also, the choregraphy of GT fights is very boring as well. The only memorable GT fight choregraphy in hindset is Goku vs Ledgic and maybe SSj4 vs Nuova. DBS has a lot more memorable choregraphy and unique powers. Yes, DBS does the whole repeating animation thing a lot, but GT does it even more and much worse. SSj3 Goku vs Baby is a prime example of it.
@@gabrielchastain6091 I personally can't remember any battle locations from GT besides General Rildo's planet. DBS has much more memorable battle locations such as planet cereal, the ToP arena, the U6 vs U7 Arena, Bulma's party, and more. For GT I just remember most battles taking place in destroyed cities.
@@thebrightestknight6714 I'd still argue I saw it happen alot more in super as it got to the point where I could notice the repeated animations *which is bad as i never notice that*
But that dosent mean the fighting is bad the fights in super were often interesting
However there are alot of fights that are interesting in gt
While it technically isn't a fight I much enjoyed the car chase on the money planet
Ssj3 Goku vs baby lasted for about 10 seconds as he just couldn't do anything against him and watching baby sling him by his tail was lovely
I can't remember if it was Rildo or nuova but there is 2 really entertaining fight scenes where Goku used the environment to avoid the scorching attacks of nuova and the metal freezing attacks of Rildo
I think it was Rildo but he was about to hit Goku and Goku used soda machines he was under to splash Rildo in the face and help him escape
And I think it was against Rildo but might have been nuova where Goku used a movie theatre and a playing movie to confuse him
I'll admit that alot of the shadow dragons there wasn't alot of fighting because most were weak but they made up for it with their wierd quirky powers
You are wrong about the not unique powers thing
Babys unique power was controlling bodies like they were puppets and taking over bodies *not like Ginyu who switches bodies or Babidi who enforces his will over people* but literally taking them over and using them like puppets with the added benefit of mutated stronger super sayain forms *which is confirmed in the perfect files*
Rildo is literally Able to turn things into metal and use that metal as a weapon *which is badass* he even turned the planet into metal and made it himself *he did it before it was cool*
While muuchi didn't do much of anything his whip would turn you into a doll regardless of power
Lood literally couldn't be beaten except through attacking him inside and out at the same time
Super 17 was the least unique but even he absorbed energy in a very unique way
He absorbed it through his body by getting hit rather then absorbing it into his hands
Each shadow dragon except for sin had their own unique element or power
Oceanous had command of the wind and possibly water
Nuova and Eis were fire and ice obviously
Naturon had command over the earth and *the less unique ability to take people's bodies hostage*
Haze was of pollution
And finally Raze was lightning and his power came from electricity making him stronger with the more power he had even to the point ssj4 Goku was screwed
He also could copy powers and send them back at the opponent with a reflect attack *granted janemba already did the first part*
Syn was the only one without a unique power and that's because he was the power house and when he became omega he became all of them combined into one incredibly broken for
There was alot of strategy used in alot of the fights
Early on baby couldn't contend so he would wait for the perfect moment to infect people during battles with him
Super 17 was hiding the fact he could absorb since he could hide it behind him just looking like he was being hit and not taking damage , combined with the fact he could counter instant transmission by feeling the vibrations in the air
He was so busted they had to beat him while he was absorbing an attack
Oceanous Goku actually copied her attack and fought her like that and they only could get through her shield by attacking from above because of the wind pressure
Haze they actually got tricked into being weakened and only won due to them finding a way to stop the pollution
Raze they were screwed until he basically killed himself by taking too much greedily which Goku comments on
Eis used his ice to keep Goku away and also pretended to surrender and blinded Goku in an attempt to cheat
Throughout the first of nuovas fight Goku ran away trying to trick him as much possible due to not being able to hit him because of how hot he was
And in the second half as super sayain 4 he could now touch him unaffected by the heat but couldnt do severe damage because nuova was faster so he had to outsmart him with mirrors literally and find a way to get behind him
Against syn Goku was blind and had to use his other sense and even used the amusement park to get an advantage *the best fight in gt in my opinion as it's so much fun to watch*
Goku even basically used ultra instinct while in super sayain 4 commenting that his body reacted for him on instinct and his other senses while his vision was gone
GT really gets downplayed on its fights
But then again so does super just not as much in comparison
I don't care if this is an unpopular opinion, but I absolutely LOVED DBS. Even if the plot wasnt as strong as it could be, it made up for it with its funny humor, amazing fight scenes, unique powers, and making some old characters relevent again. In terms of these aspects, I don't think GT really had them. GT humor was eh, fight scenes were okay at best, but I gotta admit SSj4 was awesome.
I also love Dragon Ball Super too
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@@forcecalibration924lol gt fan boy
even through Super is not my favorite i liked some things from it like Ultra instinct and other Universe's
Between DBS and GT, but I think DBS just has much more rewatch value imo. Even if just for the fights alone, DBS serves as a much more entertaining storyline to rewatch rather than GT. I rarely find myself going back to watch clips from GT, but I frequently rewatch clips from DBS.
That’s okay
The team behind dragon ball GT wanted the feel for the original dragon ball with it's slow pacing and Akira toriyama may not have been part of the story but he did come up with the name and artwork
@@ZetsuboXIII perfectly said
@@ZetsuboXIIIthat's true
In terms of DBS, I would’ve agreed if the first 2 arcs weren’t repeats of 2 movies. And since the first 27 episodes are the first 2 arcs of Super, I am going to have to hard disagree. And even though the TOP has great moments, they are episodes (plural) from each other.
I've always enjoyed Super more because it looks out for all of the characters a little better. Letting us see them reach greater heights and following up on where we last saw them before the timeskip. An evolving adventure with everyone getting their shine. GT to me however always comes across as trying to end the series and take the characters down for a larger ultimate battle.
For example in Super the characters still train and even through the TOP - Moro - Super arcs realize they can go even further than they ever believed. Master Roshi, Piccolo, Gohan, Tien, Vegeta, Krillian, 18, 17, Goten, Trunks (even Yamcha) all of them are self improving.
But for GT it's as if they have accepted defeat and don't get the opportunity to show us more or have their arcs grow. Vegeta while content, is actually struggling with where to go next with his self improvement without a cause, 17 even though we last saw him as a park ranger is cloned, ripped of his individuality and placed on a mission to end the world while trolling his sister, contrast that to Android 17 from Super who protects a whole wildlife reserve, has a wife and two kids, found a way how to survive a self destruction moves which parallel that the androids could be blown up, grows in power, respects and meets with sisters husband and their kid, resolved his differences with piccolo, is almost an active z warrior at this point. and has learned to value all life so much in contrast to his future self that he saved 8 whole universes from permanent erasure with his wish via the the Super Dragon Balls.
And that's not even getting into the difference another character like say Piccolo. Who is now possible stronger than Goku, we now have a lot more lore on, was blessed by the very dragon balls he created, has show to grow so close to the son family that he even takes care of pan, has gotten to see his student learn his makankosapo, keeps up with his training and tries to fight when he can, even developing new techniques and accepts who he is while at the same time in contrast to while he was ma junior making it clear of his additional separated from Demon King as something no longer himself.
And so on.
There are soo many differences with how each series treated the characters. I simply cannot leave what better levels of good Super has done for the cast to the wayside.
Sorry but what you tried to pass as a positive is actually a detriment.
Maybe ending the series was a good thing instead of brining it back and dangling it for more marketing. Goku just ends up repeating the same story and somehow seems to get more idiotic with each new installment.
Training was mostly offscreen or just makes it look ridiculous for anyone that wasn't Goku. There was a rule about a human, if they made a Saiyan go Super, the human wins. But now this god level stuff struggles or flat out fails (I rarely see Blue win any battle if ever).
You know what GT respected with Vegeta? The ending of the Buu Saga where he finally came to terms with his own inner struggles. Super just restated it for the sole purpose of marketing a rivalry.
A self destruct attack actually self destructs. You don't just say they can just overcome ones own CORE detonating inside you and what "Dodge" it. The manga seems to agree by having him Fake his death but that was to change something so idiotic. Also 17 didn't exactly get a redemption during the Cell Saga. I was under the impression that the guy was dead the whole time and since that's what GT (Plus a LOT of people) thought, then it means that she had years to revive him but instead left him in hell. That is a forced redemption.
Piccolos characterization was already done back in Z. I'm not even going to bother with this many Change the Characters color to give another species their own Transformation.
@@JohnnyTightlips2007Well said, and let's not forget goku seeing vegeta meditating and being like, "What dat"?
@@JohnnyTightlips2007 The problem with your argument is that GT does the EXACT same thing. GT has absolutley NO reason to exist. It doesn't even TRY to tell any overarching story, all GT tries to do is end the series despite the fact that DBZ already gave us a fine enough ending. DBS works as a sequal MUCH better than DBGT. Literally every arc in GT can be skipped besides the ending and NOTHING about the series would change. On the otherhand, DBS develops characters along the rode, introduces new powerups, and is leading to Goku and Vegeta inevitably surpassing (and perhaps even taking up the roles of) the gods. DBS actually feels like its going somewhere and leading somewhere with its story, whereas GT just feels like its continuing the story for no real reason. GT feels like a zombie-series.
@@RaisinbranLegend No it does not if it has to go back and RETCON Z on a repeated basis.
And no it Regresses Characters. Vegeta Still has a rivalry with Goku even though he literally put that to bed. Goku put several universes in danger over a tournament (Only to then later cover his ass by saying that they were set for demolition anyway).
What development did Tien get exactly? Didn't even see Launch there. Roshi has been done since the start of Z. Give me Yamcha at least instead of sidelining him in a more insulting way.
The Kai's were the Gods before the idea of Destruction Gods or Angels were even a thing and only served to make the world more cramped where as open space expanded it.
Where exactly is Super going anyway? Moro came off as a repeat Cell except even more ridiculous than Buu.
Granola? What happened to the Tsuforians who already had an established hatred of Saiyan's.
The Oilers are practically Supers version of Bojack. And that whole thing with Bardock? This is like the Sixth time that he has been redone when the Special got it right the First time.
Super is nothing more than a nostalgia baiting soulless cash grab.
@@JohnnyTightlips2007 No, GT regresses the characters in a much more embarassing and hurtful way. I mean, an entire ARC in GT literally revolved around regressing Andriod 17 into a villain again, and then not even giving him time to make amends for what he did before the writers decided to kill him off. Not to mention how GT ruined Vegeta as well. Are you really trying to imply that GT vegeta didn't care about his rivalary with Goku?? Oh please. During the GT world tournament episode, Vegeta literally broke into the world tournament and interrupted the entire thing JUST to try and fight Goku. If anything GT vegeta is even MORE obsessed with Goku than DBS Vegeta based on that episode. In that same episode, Vegeta takes Goku to fight on a bridge at the end of the episode, showing that GT vegeta has CLEARLY not overcame his hatred of Goku. Not to mention the shadow dragon arc, which was literally one of the worst arcs in the franchise. You're telling me there is 7 shadow dragons, yet only THREE (Syn, Eis, and Nuova) are even memorable? That alone proves how low quality GT is. What GT does to the side characters is just unforgivable. GT does not even make an ATTEMPT to give the side characters any depth, development, or moments of spotlight. On the otherhand, DBS gives side characters such as piccolo and gohan new powerups, side characters such as roshi and krillin more powerups AS WELL AS more development, and Super develops Vegeta way more than what GT has ever even tried to do. Super Vegeta actually makes amends for his past actions, and shows just how much he loves his family by throwing away his pride. Such as when he makes himself look goofy in order to stop Beerus from destroying the planet, or when he protected the namekians during the Moro arc, or even when sought to make amends on behalf of the saiyans during the granolah arc. GT vegeta does nothing interesting at any point in the show. All GT vegeta does is cheat to gain a new powerup, and he STILL manages to lose every fight he is involved in.
Unpopular opinion but I like both 🤷🏿♂️
Many people like both. The question was which one was better. One being better than the other doesn't make the other bad. I like them both despite Super being better in my opinion
@@crestofhonor2349 there we go
SS4 is better because it feels more achievable in reality. That long black hair is dope.
The main problem with GT is that it tries WAY too hard to tone down the tension and power scaling, but it does a very bad job at it. They turn Goku into a kid in order to nerf him to allow weaker characters time to shine, but then they immediatley decide to give Goku a form much stronger than any form he had in DBZ? What was the point of nerfing him in the first place then!?? The worst part about this is that despite Goku's nerf, he still steals the spotlight from the other members of the cast, such as Pan and Trunks.
Exactly! GT feels directionless. On one hand, they try to tone down the series and level the playing field more so that weaker characters can get spotlight. But on the otherhand, they make the villains so overpowered which gives the side characters almost no time for spotlight. For example General Rildo. He was literally stated to be Majin Buu level, what the heck is small little Pan supposed to do against that???
It’s a plot hole show , it’s pathetic
Let's also not forget the Uub vs baby stuff. Kills off fat buu and have Uub take his power. What does they do with it? Oh yes, they make baby struggle a bit with him until he win a beam struggle and then turn Uub into a bar of chocolate to be eaten until later to put up a struggle in baby's stomach where even there he loses the power struggle. After that it was like he just a trusted member of the side cast even though he was a capable training partner with adult goku before.
@@GuyVickand super ain’t 😂
@@KD-wc4rs duh nigga lol I’m talking about GT not super how could you think that?
I don't know how to explain it very well, but I think Super is much more fun to watch and consume than GT in its entirety.
I think you just did a great job explaining it
I will always prefer DBS to GT solely because of how GT disrespects all of the side characters and humans. DBS does a lot more with the side characters and actually gives them amazing moments such as Roshi's final kamehameha against Ganos, Piccolo getting a new form, and getting to see Krillin back in action again. GT does nothing with its side characters besides kill them off, which is what happened to andriod 17, krillin, and piccolo.
Understandable
Ok that's your taste.
It's the same as the Teen Titans Go fan prefer it over the original Teen Titans.
GT is the official sequel to DragonBall Z.
You claim they " disrespect" rather than simply being consistent.
Now as for disrespect nothing does it like DBS.
Take Future Trunks brings him back to belittle and demean his growth in the Cell arc as a character and discards all that was established.
Have him lose everything he fought so hard to save.
Just dump him in another time line that isn't his own where another verse exists as well now that's disrespectful.
Ask for DB side character have their day in the sun.
You know at a certain point over stade their welcome.
They have served their purpose. They started as bad or selfish guy and finished as heros.
Vegeta arc was fully complete in GT.
He has assimilated into being an earthling.
Declaring himself to be an earthling with saiyan pride.
State the earth is my home and made plans to evacuate his fellow earthlings.
He gave up on surpassing kakarotto and only trains to surpass his own limits.
He see Goku as his closes friend and rival.
So you see his character arcs where near completion.
He willingly except help to get to ss4.
He was the one to suggest fusion.
That completely raps up his development.
The DB human cast powers are minesquille in comparison to the main Z and GT character cast.
Now it's would quite illogical to bump their power up to the lead cast..
It brake immersion as well contradicts establish rules.
Super does this on steroids without shame. They used the term train frivolously without pause for explanation unlike Z.
The most ludicrous power up that tops the cart would definitely be Roshi the weakest fighter in DB's end/ Z.
If you remember his character arc ends with him stepping down and retiring in the DB tournament arc.
His last time he trains was in preparation for king piccolo fight.
The oldest and weakest incarnation that caused his death.
His last master was the Cat Korin that everyone else finished train with after king piccolo arc.
Master Roshi didn't trains at kami look out with popo or Kami like the rest.
He didn't train with king Kai like Goku or the other 4.
He didn't train in the room of spirit and time/ hyperbolic time chamber.
He didn't train on grand Kai planet with dead warriors from across the 4 quadrants like goku.
Yet we the audience are expected to except a fighter with a power level of 139 managed to eclipse super saiyan Goku's 150,000,000 at the end of the Freeza arc.
Absolutely not feasible super is for all purposes nonsensical blatant cash grab design to sell merchandise.
It's just like super dragon ball heroes nothing matters pure spectacle design to sell merchandise.
@@neogamest123logic2this sums it up pretty perfect. I really don't understand that there's so many people out there who hate GT so bad but praise Super like it was anything near perfect. They say GT was garbage but also state that Super is sick and awesome while its writing is trash and its art style is even worse. It is an inconsistent, retconning and soulless cash grab and pisses over the original material.
I prefer DBS over GT also. Every arc except the first two and maybe one other were better than what GT offered. The fights were not as good or entertaining as they are in Super . Some of the characters in GT don't seem like how they were portrayed in the previous series and Super.
U mean how they gave side characters random powers ups 2 make them relevant in super
I thought this was a given but based off these comments I can see there’s some disagreement. I’m not even Super’s biggest fan but GT… man talk about something being better on paper than in actuality.
Edit: 3 months later, Now that I’ve gone back and watched GT again for the first time in quite some time: I gotta admit it’s a lot closer and I might actually give GT the edge which I didn’t when I originally commented. Among many things, GT simply has the heart where Super has always felt very corporate and safe.
Dragon Ball GT has a special place in my heart because it was the first Dragon Ball anime I ever watched
I don’t really have a nostalgia bias for Dragon ball because I recently got into Dragon ball right before BoG premiered as a movie. I then proceeded to watch the series in order although I read DBZ manga and not watched the anime. Then I went on to watch Super as it was airing weekly. Had a ton of fun with all of the series. Super was a huge thing when it was airing even with its production issues early on due to poor management and rushed episodes. There are times I wonder how DBS would have turned out if the anime had a good production schedule early on. Also general I do prefer the manga over the anime for DBS thanks to me preferring many of Toyotaro’s decisions over Toei’s. Sure it wasn’t as good as OG DB and DBZ but I had a ton of fun watching the series in order. Super also introduced my favorite form SSG as well. I love everything about the form and how it was first used. My biggest complaint was really how quickly it got replaced and how little it got used in the anime.
DB GT was something I watched very recently, so sometime in 2020 or 2021. My experience with GT is that it is the worst DB series and I fully understand why it was the black sheep for the longest time. I did not like the evil dragon ball arc at all and I do not like the idea of being punished for using the dragon balls as they were intended, they have a cool down period for a reason. I also hated the super 17 arc which really should have been cut. I actually didn’t mind the first arc too much but I fully understand why people consider it boring. To me it was decent but nothing to stand out. Even SS4 had some issues with it feeling weak after the first fight in my opinion. Never really got a chance to shine. I like SS4 but honestly I’m not in love with its design like many other fans of the form are. Also I thought Kid Goku in GT should have had a power decrease not a stamina decrease. He should have been able to hold Super Saiyan for as long as he could as an adult because your Ki shouldn’t be effected by your age, just strength. More fights should have shown how Goku was weaker despite having access to the same forms that would of dominated them as an adult.
Over all I don’t think GT is awful but it’s only ok. I had my fun with the series just like Super
Honestly, I agree with a lot of these points. I found the whole transformation into SSJ4 cool in concept, but in execution it was...very lack luster and that first fight was VERY underwhelming. I didn't like that Vegeta got it either. Not because of the whole "Cheating" thing, but I think it just honestly lost even more of it's impact that more than one person got it.
I also don't like the way the shadow dragon arc was handled. The idea is cool, misusing the dragon balls and having consequences. But the dragons had NO TIES what so ever to the wishes they were created from. Huge missed opportunity there. And the only reason they came into existence was because of "over-use". Just that alone. What they should've done was have the overuse relate to the specific wishes. Shenron riving so many people on a year to year basis, something that takes a lot of out him each time, as a reason why the shadow dragons were created. And on top of that, it should've been due to all the positive self-less wishes in rapid succession. Elder Kai mentioned that using the dragon balls could upset the universal balance. The dragons do have the ability to grant rather evil and selfish wishes too. If they explained that there should've been some selfish-negative wishes also made to balance it out. The shadow dragons being a sort of self-defense for the universe, a way to balance things out if they go too far in one way, and likewise that would allude to the possibility of there being let's say "Light Dragons" that would be justice warriors should too much selfish/negativity be brought in.
Over all, GT has a lot of good concepts but that it really only did the bare minimum with them.
And yes, super also suffers from that a lot too, such as with Zamasu and Toppo, and...well just the concept of the 11 other universes in general (we didn't even see any people from 3 of them).
But atlas...what can we fans of the franchise do?
@@naisagathefirstdestronmand8559"What they should've done was have the overuse relate to the specific wishes" but that's what they did though, the Dragons literally said which wishes created them. they are tied to an specific wish, and that even reflects on their design, i think you missed out on that detail. which is kinda of an important detail. as for the selfish/negative thing, the Dragon Balls were corrupted because they were being used too much and humanity was depending on them for everything instead of doing stuff on their own. it's a thing about "protecting the world with our own strenght instead of depending on anything" kinda of deal.
Yeah me too
Horrible fukin takes. Disagree wit EVERYTHING u said
I do enjoy Super more than GT, but even then, I can't deny that making it happen before the End of Z limited it. I think it could have improved the End of Z if we just had it after a few arcs and then moved past that into more arcs with Uub as a character they could also develop over the course of the series. GT had Uub, but it didn't really do much with him. Uub was meant to be Goku's successor, but Goku in GT ended up surpassing him and that kinda made Z's ending feel pretty meaningless. Uub is Buu's reincarnation, but other than Uub becoming MajUub, nothing really came from that. Just imagine Uub gaining more power, having conflict to control the evil nature of the original Majin Buu, struggling to find his own identity and through learning to find some kind of balance, he finally lived up to being Goku's successor. I don't think Super will explore Uub, but even if it did, it would have been great to see that a few years ago.
agree ngl, I try to pretend that that ending doesnt exist sometimes, it somewhat undermines all evetns in super
feel like they need to somehow retcon for end of z in super, cause some thigns jsut dont add up
You got my sub bro
Finally someone said it. GT's best part is super saiyan 4 and an adult Goku, but that's it. GT thrashes away the side characters like Gohan, Vegeta and so many more. But Super gives them their own episodes and moments. Goku Black is way better than omega Shenron and all the GT villians. And Goku Vs Jiren is more better than anything in GT. Not to mention, the autonomous ultra instinct.
I didn’t even think it was debatable… and I can be pretty critical of Super
Same!!!!
The thing about the whole GT vs DBS debate is that neither series needs to exist. They both feel like DLC created simply for the purpose of capitalizing on the DB franchise for a bit longer. With that being said, I think DBS works a lot better as the "sequel series". DBS revitalizes the franchise with a whole new world of powers, potential enemies, and future plotline. GT just feels like its trying to squeeze all the potential plotlines left over from DBZ-era rather than create something new. In that sense, i feel like Super's existence is more justified, which is why I prefer it.
By your logic, DBZ didn't need to exist either
@@FazeRustyNutsdbz was a direct continuation, I fact, they didn't even call it dbz in the manga
@@FazeRustyNutsDBZ is based off the original Dragon Ball manga, though.
Supers biggest issue is that it tries to take place before the end of z and what they did to bardock.
Even though I like both, DBS is just leagues more interesting as a series. DBS feels like it explores a lot more, and I vastly prefer the new characters in DBS over the new characters in GT. GT pan felt like a brat who was put in the show for the sake of creating false tension so that Goku can save her. DBS Pan is actually a likable character with a lot of potential.
I'm sorry piccolo death in gt was stupid
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I prefered Super over GT. Ironically they have the reverse problem. GT has wonderful ideas, poor execution, while Super has some poor ideas, aside from a few, but surprisingly wonderful execution.....for the most part. GT's best quality is the Shadow Dragons to me, and Super's Tournament of Power felt like a 9.5/10. Goku Black arc felt like a 9/10...the end is what leaves it a 9 though....
I think GT is better then Super and did it in 64 episodes to Supers 131
I agree character like Goku showed character development unlike super Goku who became more dumber and goofy
GT was planned to go on for longer but was cancelled due to low ratings leading to them ending the series. Cutting the filler in super would also make it shorter as it had filler unlike GT
@@crestofhonor2349 you do know the low rating started in the buu saga which was was wasted and terrible with power plots
@@TheThirdJunior267 Yes but that doesn't mean that it would of continued into GT if it was actually recieved well. It wasn't so the show was set to end. Most people considered it the black sheep of the series for a reason.
@@crestofhonor2349 those are the people that only watch the English dub
DBGT stands as a brand new story with brand new character design, it had troubles with reduced role of the other Z Fighters, but still a fresh story that still nods respect to the Z storyline and end the story with Goku choosing to leave earth with Shenron in hope that no more villains who seeks for Goku will ever wreak havoc in earth
DBS (along with DBH) are just straight up show full of fanservices, many Z stories were retconned for convenience (Potara, Frieza's potential, Cell saga era Vegeta's arrogance, and Goku's reduced IQ)
Here's the point
DBGT
Pros :
-Brand new adventure that staying true to both the world building of DB and DBZ
-Actual fresh design of Super Saiyan 4 from scratch roots from the origin of Saiyans as "monkey people", hence the monkey-like designs
-Plot heavily revolves around adventuring and Dragon Balls, a homage to DB, as well as staying true to the title
-Akira Toriyama involved only in drawing concept of the main casts and deciding the title, the rest was done by another person
-Characters developed nicely, according how they behave during Buu-EOZ saga
Cons :
-sluggish storyline, tooks to long to get to the main events
-Goku Time, storyline was focused on Goku, Piccolo, Gohan, and others were having minor role, Vegeta only have his moments in Super Android 17 saga, and peaked at Dark Shenron Saga where he reached Super Saiyan 4, and desperately fights as the last line of defense against Omega Shenron after Goku died (before his Spirit revives for 1 final Spirit Bomb)
DBS
Pros :
-They keep Piccolo and Gohan relevant by giving each of them new forms
-Pure fanservice, as they bring back Future Trunks, introduction of Black Goku
-Expansion to Multiverse story
-Akira Toriyama in charge of the story again
Cons :
-Retcons, lot of them
Example :
1. Potara fusion used to be called the ultimate fusion, better than fusion dance, no requirements of adjusting energy, and permanent duration in Z, retconned to having duration like Fusion Dance
2. Retcon to have Frieza so powerful during Z, can only be defeated by Super Saiyan Goku in his final form, to "I never trained in my whole life", yet knows how to fight and beats base Goku with Kaioken, and "only needs to train for a few months" to unlock "Golden" (which retcon to make Frieza a natural born monster like Broly)
-Retcon the past to insert Beerus, where as Beerus acts as a God of Destruction and were meant to keep balance of universe by destroying threats to the universe, yet let destruction of Saiyans happened, because of a fuckin pillow
-Retcon where Goku was wearing Frieza Armor when he was sent to earth, even though in Z, Goku was naked
-Vegeta revert to his Cell saga level of arrogance, and also being given some of his comedy gag moments (bingo, pacifier, etc), guess he lives up to the name though, since he called Goku, a Saiyan, "clown", in Super, he literally became "the Prince of Clowns"
-Goku becomed more dumb, fight loving and also insensitive of consequences, like how in Cell Saga and Buu Saga Goku is better, Goku never wanted Cell to reach his perfect form (Vegeta did), and he allowed Gohan to fight Cell, not because of he wants to get Gohan killed, but as a lesson for him, so that Gohan will knows that he should let go of his soft side and fight seriously when he had to, as well as when Gohan is getting cocky and Cell about to self-destruct, Goku takes the blame by taking Cell away to avoid the earth destruction, killing only him and King Kai, Buu saga Goku also attempts to prevent Buu ressurection (once again Vegeta's ego caused it to happen)
In Super, Goku keeps on prolonging Black Goku until he reaches SSGSSR, where he simply allows F. Trunks timeline destruction
-New color=new forms, seriously, that's effortless
I'm starting to prefer GT more i wish Dragon Ball AF Existed
@@StevenJones851AF is good GT is bad
@@sydneyowusu3750 AF is pretty good
My nigga. Yes DBS has better story but nothing can beat the looks of SSJ 4 and SSJ 4 Gogeta. Those to forms look so good VS ssj blue or whatever.
The prequel with Goku as a kid is so underrated.
💯
It’s not a prequel if it was the first thing made
@@animeaddict5545 Dragonball is the prequel.
@@fade680 if dbz was released before db it would have been a prequel
@@animeaddict5545 Dragonball Z is the sequel anime, it secedes the events in Dragonball. Dragonball preceded the events of DragonBall, Dragonball is the prequel.
I'm gonna disagree about some of the points against GT. Often I feel the things in GT are often misunderstood (especially in the cringe English Funimation dub. And the Black Star Saga was straight mid ngl, although even that arc had good stuff). GT imo, doesn’t have that bad of an execution. Sure, its not the best, but arcs like the Super 17 and Shadow Dragons have stuff I feel that are very much overlooked and underappreciated. Thats not to say it doesnt have downsides, it does. But, at least for me, it does better in it's individual departments than Super does. Things like its treatment of forms and even the world building in GT I feel are better.
Although that's just me, I respect that you didnt utterly trash GT like most do. I feel most people get so mean and defensive about their point and side because they feel like the other side is so negative, it makes them feel bad about their position on the matter, so they want to defend it with the same violence to get back. If more people can see good in both and understand reasons for the other side, it gets a lot less violent.
What I liked so much more about GT is the artdesign, the worldbuilding, the japanese soundtrack, the voice acting (watched it in german), the feel was much closer to dragonball bc it was made much closer to the end of dbz, and I have many problems with the artstyle of dbs, that's why I couldn't even watch it
Honestly, both sequels have their pluses and flaws. GT was meant to be a finale, while Super was a continuation. Since GT was at the time it was supposed to be the end of the franchise, it had a much more emotional and bittersweet tone. Even though it failed as an overall story. GT had some great ideas and heartfelt moments, but it was pretty clear it lacked Toriyama's imagination and influence.
I share a lot of the same points. GT and Super had their fair share of pros and cons. GT didn't have the same energy as Z, and I liken Super to something like gaming DLC since its sagas took place before the end of DBZ/Uub's introduction. It didn't completely feel like a sequel to me. But because Super's last arc (Tournament of Power) finished out stronger than GT's (Shadow Dragons)--high stakes, multiple characters got their moments to shine, excitement, etc.--I give the edge to Super. GT's final minutes are perfection though! :)
couldn’t have said it better myself, PERFECTION
I don't think T.O.P finished out stronger than GT tbh, the arc had 40+ episodes, with only 15 being good, animation quality being all over the place, coreography being mostly generic punches being thrown around, soundtrack was top tier though, ending was really predictable with everyone getting revived, and i felt no stakes in the arc at all because i already knew everyone was get revived at the end anyway. also i don't think characters shined that much, tien, krillin, piccolo, 18 and gohan felt like they were done dirty, and their elimination were stupid, SPECIALLY piccolo, i don't think they did anything special. vegeta was repeating the exact same arc he had on Z reconising that Goku is stronger than him, but done worse this time. 17 feels forced to me, i think putting him as the hero who saves everyone and let him having most of the good moments of DBS doesn't feel right, 17 to me is a cool secondary character, not a main hero or main villain type of guy, it doesn't fit him that much. goku was great thanks to ultra instinct, which was the highlight of the entire show, although i don't like that at the end Ultra Instinct was just throwing punches and fighting like another transformation losing a bit of the charm it had, but it was still great most of the time, frieza was fun and entertaining to watch and roshi was great.
DBS is definitely better than GT for a variety of reasons. First of all, it actually utilizes the side characters that were forgotten in late-DBZ and ACTUALLY gives them great moments. On the otherhand, GT just makes every side character look like a joke. And DBS was just INFINITELY more intersting with the powers utilized and concepts introduced. The only interesting concept/power in GT was Baby's whole "body stealing" thing.
I gotta agree on the side characters point. GT's use of side characters was very disappointing to say the least. It was a huge missed opprotunity to not have Pan be the first female Super Saiyan.
@@ligerade3536 Personally on the last point, I disagree, although the reasoning behind Pan not acquiring SSJ (due to the fact that Toriyama did not know what a female SSJ would look like) is completely dubious, I feel as though if Pan were to have SSJ, it would be pointless, as with two people having SSJ4, she would be vastly outmatched, especially near the final arc, any earlier and the form would be reached too fast, and further mock the legendary status of the transformations. Furthermore there is an argument to be made that it is better she didn't achieve SSJ, as instead of relying on yet another powerup, wits and strategies could be utilized instead, something Super and later parts of Z struggled with.
Dude if you think side characters getting asspull power ups is progression then you don't know what good storytelling is.
@@ligerade3536 not really though pak was a quarter Saiyan it was only because the earth was in turmoil the half Saiyans could push it out but land too muddied down. She's 75% human dog. I mean yeah it would have been sick if she was but now we have that stupid super pan who is going to be all over older boys and there will be creeps into her because that's literally LITERALLY where super is going with trunks and Mai.
@@OrangeStarHighSchool I know your not trying to talk about "good storytelling" while defending GT 😂. GT is the definition of bad storytelling, and the example with Pan PROVES it. Are you really trying to tell me that Pan can't turn Super Saiyan because she is only 25% saiyan, but then Goku Jr who is literally LESS THAN 1/8th saiyan can somehow go super saiyan? GT makes no attempt at telling an engaging or even logical storyline. The way GT treat the side characters is abysmal and straight up disrespectful.
Zamasu is one of my favourite characters in the series Cus his philosophy is so interesting. Also y u making dog water out of ui
If you're a martial artist you'd appreciate ultra instinct and ultra ego. It's like 2 schools of styles, Myagi Dojo vs Cobra Kai. You'd want to get upto to that level in your training.
When you watch it with original Japanese Soundtrack and good voice acting (I am from germany) I think GT has more soul. What I liked so much more about GT is the artdesign, the worldbuilding, the japanese soundtrack, the voice acting, the feel was much closer to dragonball bc it was made much closer to the end of dbz, and I have many problems with the artstyle of dbs, that's why I couldn't even watch it
Good take
To me, DragonBall GT would've been the best continuation to DragonBall Z. It would've introduced us to SSJ4 before all of the SSJ God transformations. It doesn't seem right to have god transformations before the next form of a super saiyan. DB Super would've came after GT. THE SSJ God transformations would've enhanced EVERY SSJ form in that series.
Can't wait for rainbow Goku. Needs few more to be updated with the current events.
Okay I'm at 1:49. I like maybe even love SSJ4 but I also equally love just three of the shadow dragons which I will name now.
Ice Shenron,
Nova Shenron,
and Oceanus Shenron.
Although I think it's more for their design rather than liking them as characters but then again Nova Shenron is good in both ways for me.
GT has always been boring in the way it treats the characters. People always like to talk about "the good concepts" in GT, but the only concepts that are even good is the shadow dragons and Baby. I can't expect anyone to look me in the eye with a straight face and try to tell me that Super 17, turning Goku into a kid, and the black star dragon ball arc are "good concepts".
Yes they are
I disagree with the last part. I legit think all 3 of those things could have been amazing if they had done it properly. The Super 17 arc is legitimately one of the worst paced and worst fight choreography anime arcs ever made, but I don't think there was anything wrong with the initial idea / concept at all. Other than the power scaling making no sense after Baby, Super 17 100% should have taken place before the Baby arc). Black Star dragon ball arc is the same thing, where I think a Space adventure arc could have been an amazing thing and a true call back to the original spirit of early Dragon Ball hunting episodes, but unfortunately instead we got Lord Luud 💀
@@xenodroid i agree some of those Concepts could of been used better
I loved both, but i wouldn't give up either
DBS feels like the more logical continuation of where DBZ left off imo. The initial premise of Goku and Vegeta making their way through the domain of the gods in DBS just makes a lot more sense to me than having Goku randomly become a kid again, and work with Trunks and his grandaughter to find some random new set of Dragon Balls that had never been talked about before. DBS as a concept just works so much better for me.
Please enlighten me as to how super is more fluid than super when it changes up the mythos destroys God yemma and the hierarchy while completely scrapping uub having frieza where he wasn't at Z's end.
Yeah you're a fake fan follower sit down.
Okay that’s cool
Super has Gokus hair turn blue and then tells us "hes 50% as strong as a god now! Well not a real god cause Zeno, and a lot of people make him look like a chump still, but kinda". GT has him actually become a god in its ending, and he does it through themes we've seen through the whole series of self sacrifice and ascended thinking.
@@baval5 true
Logical? Ur a clown 🤡
GT has a Banger of theme Song it's the Most popluar Song for a Reason
My favorite opening in all of DB
Carried by the one part. DBS op 2 is way better
I like GT more but I agree with basically everything you said in the video. However, about GT being about revenge only, super had only a tiny bit more variation. Zamasu wanted revenge on goku by stealing his body and trying to eliminate mortals, paragus wanted revenge on Vegeta through Broly, frieza wanted revenge on the saiyans and as for the tournaments… there was just a will for the contestants to survive.
Think this happens to do with the generations of anime watchers I'm for the originals to this day I've never sat and watch an episode of super im just not interested. I still watch clips from both z n gt regularly n i started watch dragon ball again
I probably enjoyed GT more in retrospect than actually watching it at the time. I was overly critical of lil Goku for only one good reason, ontop of being critical for one bad and one subjective reason. It was back to more episodic and I was watching the original Dragon Ball on after school Toonami when I was watching GT on Friday night Toonami I was thinking wow this is mad redundant and at least tween Goku was a comedic force. There was the uncanny I didn't identify the specific changes and I didn't know the obvious reason why it was so jarring the anatomically correct proportions the music direction it had the character design I thought was really tryhard 3cool5school or corny with Vegeta being corny at first and then tryhard it was something I really faulted Bleach for too I kinda appreciate its real merit and also what is weird about it I enjoy the kind of anachronistic goofiness. It was definitely far from the blasphemous continuation of something like Halo 4 but as a kid I didn't know what true IP destruction was. I think what I would really have wanted to see was a Toriyamafication of GT. The tuffles being represented is just fantastic it is even more captivating than when I originally identified it as captivating I feel like Baby as great as he was could have been better had he been more of an anti-villain rather than a traditional villain. The Tuffles have some legitimate gripes they are like the Helghast except they get the level of depth Killzone gave to the ISA while making the Helghast extremely fleshed out. Of course we wouldn't want people saying that the Tuffles are the heros like morons say about the Helghast seeking vengeance rather than justice is not okay they are still the bad guys but they were more sympathetic than GT portrayed. With Goku being characteristically a super empath and extending the chance for redemption it especially didn't feel right how he dispatched Baby with such cold antipathy.
Toriyama being a devout minimalist has visually uninspired transformations what I do like about how he does them now they are far far less redundant laterally they are more defined by the user and within the same user it isn't just doubling up tripling up so on and so forth. What I really fault both GT and Super for I have come to realize started being a thing in Z much earlier than I realized from memory alone. The swings in momentum of battles started getting more and more drastic and more and more punctuated by simple visually inconspicuous special moves, McGugfins, transformations. This criticism turns out is well before GT and Super it is well before Buu Saga it starts being excessive well before the Cell saga it starts being mildly bad after the Ginyu force gets put in the dirt. To call it a Super and/or GT problem is just critical dishonesty even though it is an opinion I had myself not too recently. The intellectual aspect of the conflicts that separates the strictly commercial battle shonen from the cultural milestones was never consistently executed at a high level over an extended period in any artistically important battle shonen. It is sorta a big ask. Even the best creators make narrative hiccups the way the eastern media operates to get the volume of work expected at the rate expected it is kinda incredible the editor didn't get hit with a kamehameha wave
True, most characters in gt get outshine and in the dark. Vegeta, goten, gohan, piccolo, etc. Even Uub who starts important ends up getting one shotted by all the villains. Vegeta gets one important thing when he gets ss4 with the only relevant thing to make gogeta which didn’t do shit. This was all revolving on Goku and Pan. Trunks was eventually taken out. Super does give shit to Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Roshi, Krillin, The androids, The antagonists are better with the only good in gt being baby and the arc. Super has Blavk arc, TOP, Dbs Broly, Moro, Granolah, and the super hero and now more. Gt is a bit nostalgic but nah even dbs opening 2 is more hype and cool to listen
I don't think anyone will disagree that with GT, SS4/Gogeta was a lot more original in both design and powers.
Only design. The powers of SSj4 was pretty lame/basic. Just another generic powerup. I prefer UI because of how Goku gets a completley new fighting style, new powers, new abilities, and even new techniques such as the UI susanno thing.
@@jantheking7028 super Saiyan 4 is literally the epitome of storytelling I'm sorry you're too stupid to see that have you not seen Dragonball.
Goku is a monkey not a god kid sit down. Him getting something outlandish and undeserved is good storytelling to you lol man I feel bad for you truly.
Hasn't UI been dumbed down to just another power up?
@@OrangeStarHighSchool Cope
@@koffibentum7452 sit down fake fan 😂
Here me enjoying ever bit of scene from all series
I found this page solely by asking google if GT was worth the watch. Glad i chose not to watch and ove been a fan since 93'. But the OP needs to put some respect on the Zamasu/Black ARC and the TOP ARC. Those did it for me, but i get what he means above the OG and some GT moments getting you emotionally involved.
I can tell i don't like it and gt vegeta doesn't live in Goku's shadow
Alright, let's be be completely impartial and honest just for once in our fucking life.
By simply judging from how everyone universally did despite Super almost as it was the return of the Black plague before the TOP arc, it is clear that all these hypocritical bad takes on GT comes from the fanboys simping for the UI Goku scene.
Yeah, i agree that the plot of GT was kinda a letdown after Z, but claiming that the writing and character development is way superior in Super is nothing but a pure sign of psychosis.
Nah by comparison Super is far worse overall. Btw using Kale's aka female Broly's form to make a point is wild. Also Super only had 1 decent arc the ToP. The furture arc was trash Black and Zamsu were terrible generic characters woth a generic ass motivation and plan.
I wouldn't really put super having more transformations as being good. Refering to the saiyan transformations specifically, the fact that there are so many and are mostly just re-colors makes each one less special and lowers my view of them collectively. Frieza's are the worst of the worst.
I agree about Baby being awesome but being damn near the only good villain in gt, Rilldo was alright.
Super had better overall character, better movies, and more high tier arcs
gt would be definitively better had it been given the same run time as super(comparing them assuming they had equivalent episodes i think gt takes with little dif). plus i believe recency bias plays a role in our minds here. just imho after rewatching both.
What is SSJ Rage anyway? Back in the days rage was the trigger to unlock SSJ :D Super feels so forced all the time with all its ass pull transformations including Golden Frieza.
Golden Frieza was originally a z form.
Just like super saiyan 4.
@@Sydney-wi1ym That's just nitpicking because the movie was under the DBZ flag since DBS wasn't a thing yet. It's still modern Dragon Ball with all its ass pulls.
@@StooRoxxAss still though toriyama did not hove super in mind when he was making rof
@@thelettucebarrel7784 it is, indeed. Just like SSJ3. But SSJ4 was at least a creative design by using an SSJ transformation combined with Oozaru.
Yeah, gt has its moments, and I like how the main form stayed around as long as it did without another form taking its place so fast. Also, ssj4 looks so much better than ssjb
it isn't
next question!
How is gt better than super
@@bobbyblackman1118they're just going to say that with no good reasoning.
Better in what? GT is the better show. Super is the better product. Now pick your poison.
Super is way more popular because we're more exposed to it. Movies, games, spin-offs, the manga...
Not to mention it is still ongoing as Toei really wants DB to be back as a brand. It has has flashy fights and lots of transformations back to back, and all this is great for "spreading it's name" with RUclips/TikTok clips, pulling characters from Gatcha Games, waiting for DLCs for Xenoverse/Kakarot/Fighterz. "Super" is a well oiled machine that prints engagement and fans.
And GT? GT can't compete. It was thought to be the finale of the franchise... Not even a manga nor movies!
But most importantly the fights are dull... The Baby arc is DOPE and when SS4 arrives--- The fight SO boring? Immense letdown.
And of course Super is very silly and there's NO plot... But it has better fights. And this is Dragonball. GT got the short stick.
I think you laid it out perfectly.
@@ItsBigTune Hey thanks! But this Is interesting as I thought my point was different than yours... As I meant Super gets more appreciation due to what Toei is doing now for the DB franchise, while GT didn't get the same treatment.
But... I guess this IS the point?
And even if I too agree with what you say in your video, we reach different conclusions due to personal tastes.
(For instance, I think super 17 is better than Jiren, but Jiren is more famous therefore we forgive his flaws more easily. And for the transformations quality should be better than quantity, but then again DLCs and stuff hyped people up a lot.)
But it's really curious how we're describing the thing as a whole in a similar way.
Both are really bad sequels. Although, GT had far superior power up and villain designs, they didn't just recolor the SSJ hair, which was beyond lazy with Super. And the setting was a better choice having the mortal as being stronger than The Gods, more weight and suspense goes onto the main cast. I also preferred the idea of having consequences for using the Dragon Balls, but like all of GT the execution was so bad. Super didn't have any saving graces, it was all just bad rehashings of Z, recoloring SSJ hair for overinflated power ups, recycling Z characters and making them worse. The only thing I thought was better was keeping Goku as an adult, which they've decided to go back on in that new terrible sequel series.
this is the only place i could say that i love super without getting attacked by angry gt and z fans
There is no “better” or “worse” when it comes to Dragon Ball. Each part has good and bad moments.
Yeah
I'm speaking as a new fan and outsider of the fandom here when I say I do NOT get the insane amounts of hate DBS gets.
I haven't finished it yet, but I'm loving it so far. It seems 99% of the hate it gets is for goofy "lore" reasons over anything else. Look, I'm not trying to tell people their opinion is invalid, but with a LOT OF FANDOMS, especially this fandom, they get so hung up on shit that doesn't REALLY matter in the scheme of story, character, and theme. Like, I couldn't give a fuck if the "power scaling" in BDS is "inconsistent" with what came before. Who gives a shit?
Am I the only one here who doesn't take the how power scaling works as some exact science? It's just a storytelling tool to keep tension and excitement going!
Every big fandom is like this - comic book fandom, sci-fi franchise fandom like Star Wars and Trek, anime fandom...people everywhere shitting on the newer thing because it breaks some arbitrary "rule" or whatever. Ya'll need to learn to engage with art better.
Fandoms in general seem more into being knowledgeable about information so they can rattle off factoids like a wiki page instead of actually engaging in storytelling on a level that isn't superficial.
Again, I'm new to the DB franchise. I've just read the manga up through Z (yes I know it wasn't called Z at the time and was just Dragon Ball...ya'll know what I mean) and watched the DBZ anime and and watching DBS at the moment. So no, I don't have literal decades of fandom under my belt here. I'm just having fun enjoying this story, these characters, and the wild world Toriyama created.
IMO DBS does wonders with new and old characters alike, dynamic action, solid humor the DB franchise is known for.
Super sucks. The animation quality was horrible up until the last arc, too much focus is put on Goku and Vegeta, characters get more asspull transformations, the power scaling simply doesn't even make sense anymore, the anime is worse than the manga, half of the anime is arcs that were based on movies and had no reason to be reintroduced, super saiyan blue sucks ass, orange piccolo unbelievably lazy, this list goes on. I love Dragonball but Super really isn't as good as it should've been.
@@MiniMagit *whispers* every power up in DB has been an asspull
*whispers* the power scaling NEVER mattered.
@@nope5657Dude stop defending this shit .. Power scalling of super is way more horrible than other dragon ball series..It is known for lazy ass pulls and lazy recolor forms..Ssj rage trunks and beast Gohan are one of the craziest ass pulls in anime history..Ssj blue is the laziest idea dragon ball has ever come across. Jiren is the most boring and lazy written rival in all of dragon ball..And don't even get me started on U6 Saiyans..They look like twigs with zero muscles and somehow have the power to one shot all of the dbz in their base form..Like wow just wow.. Another point I wanna highlight here is the brain dead Goku we Goku we got in super, the tingly feeling in the back thing and the lazy art style
@@denyoellamcy8251 lol
@@nope5657 That's not how it works, lil bruh..You could've replied back with something like 'I know it's not that good, bruh, but I still enjoy it for whatever reason..' And I would've respected that
It's the art and animation that real destroys super for me. Over half of Super was just badly produced. The transformations were too much too quick
I think most people on earth would agree with you, 98% of people say super is better than gt. There are alot of people who say super is better than z. NOBODY says gt is better than z
Anyone who says super is better than Z is not involved enough with the series to have their opinions seriously considered in a comparison.
@@ZeroYami But the fact that it is even a slightly common opinion in the fanbase says a lot. On the otherhand, you'd be hard pressed to find a single person in the fanbase who thinks GT is better than DBZ.
I think is much more reasonable to say GT is better than Z, than Super is better than Z.
@@banjo9158 lol I have not heard a single person on EARTH ever say GT is better than DBZ. You'd be hard pressed to make a single argument for why. GT is literally just DBZ but does everything worse and tries to turn the series back into OGDB.
@@Patientvector You say like OGDB is bad. There's people that prefer OGDB than Z even. And the soundtrack, animation, and vibes of GT might be enough for someone to prefer GT. Even more if they don't care as much for the fight scenes.
Doesnt matter uncle ben, Kakumaei is better than both of them.
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Gt is for Dragon Ball fans not for DBZ. Hence child goku and Pilaf! Also the Shadow Dragon represent Kami fighting the evil inside him. It's a lesson and mirrors Kami from Dragon Ball. Kami was the Earth's Guardian had to rid himself of something to be the guardian. It comes at a price just as the Dragonballs come at a price.
I like Dragon Ball more than Z, but GT is terrible. Not at all like Dragon Ball.
Super is better objectively. Like you said, its more so about SSJ4.
And i do think DBGT overal has better art design than DBS, its stands out.
But what kills DBGT the most is not the design of the villains or even their motives, its the choreography.
Tell me how many fighting scenes are rewatched on RUclips from Super compared to GT.
GT has nothing memorable in its battles.
The best thing i remember from GT is when Vegeta got stabbed in the left shoulder by Omega Shenron.
Sure GT has not good fights, but its story is great compare to Super that has great fights but lack story behind it.
@@danielmedjedovic7068 Are you for real😅. All fights in GT lack story except the Bebi saga as he is a bit linked to the origins of the Saiyans. But Super 17 and the Shadow dragon saga, you are saying those have deeper context than Super? Highly disagree there.
@@SAsaiyajin The super 17 saga isnt great but it has consequenses which leads to shadow dragons arc. Shadow dragons arc have a deep meaning and connection to the dragon balls for all the wishes from dragon ball and dbz, what does super arcs have? Two damn tournament arcs that leads to nothing, only goku black arc was something but ended in a poor and lazy way.
Like, you DID say GT> Super because it has an ending 💀
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I personally prefer GT over super any day. It's the only series between the two that makes perfect sense to me. Super simply does not meet the standards set by Z and GT. It does not inherit the authenticity and Identity of the franchise.
To each his own.
You know what's the perfect of dragon super the high quality of graphics 😂😂😂😂
Gt goku had his hands behind his head all the time
I'll never choose super over GT
GT feels like fanfiction. Not in the sense that it wasnt written by toriyama, but that it is written by people who love dragon ball, but dont understand what it made such a special story. Look at the black star dragon balls. It is an obvious homage to og db, but it lacks any of the comedy and character dynamics. Goku is the naive but strong moron in the original show. But in gt he is the only intelligent one and the strongest one, making pam and trunks useless. baby and super 17 feel like they are trying to be something similar to Z, but the problem is that all the fights just aren't interesting and everything boils down to super sayian 4. Glad ozuru came back, but it was pretty obvious that great ape wasnt very power and the flaws of it made it useless as the show went on. Black dragons should be a good arc, but the majority of it is just slapstick. It loses the deeper meaning of consequences when they are making painfully unfunny jokes between pam and Goku. The jokes would have worked better if we had more side characters like vegeta or gohan here. Frankly the funniest part of gt were the parts on earth without goku. Vegeta taking bulla shopping was hilarious until the plot started.
Super and gt have some of the same problems
Super is better than GT? Are you joking?
Yes it was better overal.
GT has better art design and production wise fell more in line with Z but its storyboarding and choreography was just not up to par.
DBS doesnt has the best plot but as it continued the production got better and all the different animators had their moments creating some excellent battle scenes.
DBGT had episodes that were very well drawn but most of the battles consist of throwing Ki blast after Ki blast with very uninspired hand to hand combat scenes. Especially the Baby Arc, a lot episodes were well drawn but boy did that fight seem to drag on despite it being very short.
Also consider that DBS spawned out the last 2 DBZ movies (not Broly) after the franchise got effected by the live action movie in the west. Before Battle of Gods, DBZ was a bit dormant outside of the English speaking countries commercially.
its not just about art design and character development, everything from Dragonball Super kind like leaking, example : Power Scaling, Power Source, Backstories, Plot Hole, Villain, Iconic Character, and the Core of Dragonball Series Since Z series is Saiya jin Power, Is the main of event, Z series only need 3 form saiyajin and voila...and GT just only Need one Form and Its became Iconic. Every villain on Z series and GT series Really Iconic. and we have Anti Heroes From Z and GT. Piccolo and Vegeta. GT? we have 18 and Buu@@SAsaiyajin
@@SAsaiyajinDude , he destroyed you with that response lol
@@denyoellamcy8251 no he didnt🤣 what are you talking about.
@@nalafanun8862 everything you say about GT is legit. But they screwed it up by having Goku be a kid for the whole show, and most importantly the CHOREOGRAPHY.
I can only ask you to watch the fight scenes of GT compared to Z and Super.
GT mostly has Ki blast battles or scenes with Super moves, hardly any memorable melee combat scenes or actual fights.
Super is shallow conceptually but we knew that, it was a comeback from DB Evolution which really damaged the franchise based on the succes of the last Z movies.
The ToP arc in Super alone beats every fight ive seen from GT.
GT however has an art design that correspond better with original Z but has its own coloring and is more unique because of that. It definitely stands out and takes a bit more of a complexer Toriyama design (like Dragon Quest) compared to Z and Super.
In terms of story gt better. In terms of plot super wins
I always super over gt, sure super has its cons, but its still better than gt.
I think both have their high highs and low lows. I personally would say I like GT a little more for a few reasons I mentioned lower, but I do think Super despite its awful start, still has plenty of things to like.
I personally have a lot of nostalgia for GT, as I watched it for the first time when I was a kid, so I remember the show rather fondly, even though I know that a decent chunk of it is pretty boring. I loved the SS4 design, the concept of the Dragon Balls turning against the protagonists, it gave off a feeling of consequence for overusing them, and Baby was genuinely one of the better villains in Dragon Ball IMO. Where GT falls flat is that it feels rushed and it switched directions suddenly after the creators have realized that people aren't enjoying GT as much. It started off as a nod to the original DB, but then suddenly it shifted closer towards Z's more serious tone, ending up with the writing being pretty messy overall, and a lot of characters feeling underdeveloped. The Super 17 arc was a great example of that, and I feel like it could've been cool if it was something different than almost a carbon copy of Fusion Reborn. I'm also a huge fan of the ending, it legit made me feel that the story is ending. I feel like GT deserves some kind of remake as a separate timeline - it has a pretty unique take on the DB story, but because it came after Z, either the writers were burnt or they wanted to cash on/satisfy their fans more, they didn't put enough time to touch up the issues GT has.
On the other hand, Super started out rough, and I think the poor animation in the early episodes did create a bad reputation that maybe the series didn't quite deserve, but it taught the team to not cut corners so much. Over time it did get better, and it managed to bring part of its fanbase back, but there's two things that bother me about Super - it feels toned down and I wish Toriyama would leave some parts of the story alone. I'm a person who really doesn't like when a show made primarily for mature audiences is toned down to PG-13, I hate it. I know that apparently it's the anime's fault, and the manga doesn't quite obey that, but punches in the Super anime don't seem to have the same weight when after getting torn to shreds or thrown into a wall at light speed, all you have is a few scratches and occasionally a bruise or two. One of the most memorable parts in the og Dragon Ball was when Piccolo impaled Goku's arms and beat the shit out of him, leaving him bleeding out on the ground. The pure violence shown in that scene made it feel very intimidating and it'd lose so much of its meaning if it was toned down like in Super. Toriyama also did a mistake trying to retcon some parts of DBZ. I'm cool with him changing Broly, as in the Z specials he didn't have much of a personality, so giving him some actual development was a good idea IMO, but him changing Bardock into a nicer more sympathetic guy, when in the Z special he was a ruthless menace and a tragic hero of his race, feels so out of character for him. It also makes the special feel meaningless. I was also a bit eh about reviving Frieza once again, but at least with him, the writers did do something more significant, so I don't dislike it that much. ToP was okay, I liked Ultra Instinct and the fact that some side characters did get some time to shine, but Jiren overall was kind of a meh villain.
Overall I think both of them have some good and bad stuff, and Super I'd say is more entertaining to watch for the pure dopamine, but I like GT's ideas more, so I personally prefer it a tad more, but maybe to appreciate Super a bit more I'd have to read the manga.
Ssj4> lazy hair recoloring form
STRONGLY DISAGREE. DBGT SSJ4 forms were so unique and probably still hold up as the coolest looking transformation. They win on that alone imo.
Thank you bro best comment
Unique design doesn't make it good, SSJ4 sucks. Ultra instinct alone is better than everything in GT
@@Santzu_ wrong. Oh look, red hair! Oh look, Blue hair! Oh look White hair! Oh look purple hair! GT had original designs, Super is predictable and boring.
@@ZaneTrain92 Original designs doesn't make them good, the saiyan form designs have always been simple. Ssj4 does not fit Goku's character AT ALL
@@Santzu_ I enjoy both, but imo GT is far better. This is mainly due to the art style of Super. I hate it. But I respect your opinion
gt respects the og story super just shits all over it that makes gt better
Tell this poop in the anime
You were wrong the moment you said trash like Super was better than GT.
DBS
No sorry
I think GT is better but is better because it captures that dragon ball and dragon ball z feel for me, especially with the sub of GT
GT feels like its trying WAY too hard to be the original DB. Like a poor attempt at capitalizing on the nostalgia of the OGDB series. First turning Goku into a child again for no real reason. Then, another search for the Dragon Balls, except this time on a universial scale. It doesn't feel like the natural progression of where DBZ left off.
@@Patientvector As far as character development and how they live their lifes, is definetly a natural progression of Z, it's not a natural progression as far as "action based show" but to me, that's not as important as the story itself, but i know that most people don't care for their stories of dragon ball, they're here for the fights and hype.
When it comes to GT Vs Super. While I do think both shows have things they do better than the other, my overall answer is Super but for the opposite reasons as you. GT was consistently ok for me, while Super ranged in quality. The highs in Super are better than anything in GT (or at least some of them are). On the other hand the lows can be worse than anything in GT too.
There's nothing in Super worse than the black star dragon ball arc, super 17 and the first half of the shadow dragon arc and those 3 parts are like half of the show
DBS feels childish
Gt more mature
Cap. Gt better
Everyone has their opinions
Most of the enemies in GT were weak. Rildo,Super 17,Nova,Ice Sin,Omega & Baby Vegeta are exceptions.
The reason why alot of enemies in gt were weak was because of the stupid overwhelming power that the z fighters had
Most fighters in the universe couldn't come close to Frieza from z so even the exceptions among them couldn't compare to the ridiculous power of sayains who were so damn strong they managed to surpass a being who went around killing the supreme gods of the universe millions of yrs ago for sport "Buu"
In Super alot of the early villains actually fall rather easy if you pay attention
Cabba , botamo , megetta , Cabba, and frost fall when Goku and vegeta dish out their true powers
And just like in gt some of the weaker villains actually used tricks and the elements to make up for it *which I liked* frost cheated with poison and megetta used heat
Hit was the only true threat to keep up in power during the 6 v 7 arc
It wasn't until Goku black got Rose when things really started catching up
You could technically bring up Frieza but he was the main villain of the arc whereas the ones people mention in GT besides Rildo and Lood were kinda underlings and Rildo kept up through his strange metal abilities
And Lood Goku and co couldn't defeat without strategy
If they redo GT they should give Frieza his gold & black transformations and give Cell new forms as well because they were pathetic in GT lol 🤣🤣
I can't wait to see the anime adaptations of the Moro & Granola arcs in DBS.
how is Nuova weak? he gave a hard time to ss4 goku, Ice almost KILLED Goku, Sin, Omega and Baby gave Goku a hard time.
@@tyronejennings599 I'm excited too
Not gonna lie i prefer gt over super for starters gt was an actual continuation to the dbz anime and didnt have the shit ton of plot holes and transformations i think the main thing people think about gt which is the first 15 episodes that is a miss with most people but overall gt was more for after z super was more of a cash grab in my opinion because in all honesty the best thing to come out of super was goku black and dyspo could've went without god transformations and its not going to make sense with end of z since end of z is supposed to be a split up with majority of the characters and with all the transformations how is this supposed to work gt had an ending to end it all and gt made more sense people can hate this comment i dont care i find gt more canon than super 😂😂 shit even dragon ball heroes prefers gt better than super also super ruined broly and bardock broly is supposed to be this killing machine not a simp for a green lady bardock is supposed to be this cold man that wears his best friends bloody arm band as a bandana not this saiyan thats kinder and doesn't have the emotion that real og canon bardock has
How did it ruin broly 🤔
@@IMADEYOUREAD broly ruined bardocks character that was already canon to the original manga and brolys original self was much better he was supposed to be this unstoppable killing machine not a simp
@ZetsuboXIII so you just don't like a well Written character because he isn't an unstopibe raging beast, which he actually kind of is in the super broly moive and he likes a girl. 🤔
@@IMADEYOUREAD you're missing the point although I love the super broly movie it's just kinda ruins who he once was a original Z fan knows this feeling although broly may have his rage still but he's tooo soft he's watered down compared to OG broly
@ZetsuboXIII Well different people can have opinion and I don't want to be such a b**** about it So you're gonna have your own opinion that super broly ruined z broly.
See the style is better in gt with animation being good but not always perfect. Super animation had shitty style and rarely had great animation. Gt also had a better character wise for characters we had, super made Goku a modern day joke and the rest of the characters aren’t as serious. Super also is too modern on anime run, it feels like every other current anime with how it works. Gt also had the two best moments post z, piccolos death and Goku saying goodbye to everyone. And then gt also had the best super saiyan transformation where as super has ugly transformations and will never be as important.
GT rarely had great animation. GT had good art but animation wise it's some of the most boring in the entire series. Super has more cuts of great animation despite it having some of the worst cuts in Dragon ball in the early seasons.
GT animation was subpar, and Piccolo's death being the best post DBZ moment? You gotta be kidding me. Get that moment past SSB kaioken or UI's reveal before you even try to make that claim.
@@crestofhonor2349 I said it had good animation it’s main thing was having good style, similar to z’s
@@peterbooks1543 ssb kaio ken doesn’t make sense, if it was really important to keep using kaio ken Goku would’ve used it with base super saiyan years ago
@@matthunterman1 It did not have good animation. Art and animation are not the same thing. GT had good art but it's animation was not great. Most of it was the standard looping attack with tons of still frames. GT had far worse animation than DBZ did
This man knows Dragon Ball 😎Super is LEAGUES better Than GT, which was...Mid. 🤮Overall stronger forms and villains, BETTER arcs, and so on. Start crying, GTards, your tears will taste good. 🍷And keep the tears coming, we all know that none of GT's shit is becoming canon, and never will. So make the tears come down!
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@@eepydeepyzeepy Lol I'm speaking facts. Stay mad GT boy.
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@@eepydeepyzeepy Lol cope with that. Super is better than GT.
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Am I the only whole who thinks DBZ > gt and super
That's how most of the fan base thinks. You cannot find very many people saying Super or GT is better than DBZ. Although I'd do OG DB > DBZ > DBS >= DB GT
I liked GT because it took the best of Dragon Ball and Z and put them together! I really love the adventure it took from DB and the fights it took from Z. It had an ending that made me cry and will always be one of the best story's told in my childhood love the darker colors and did really enjoy the punishment of using the dragon balls a lot. Super is just a cash grab and just does the same thing Z did just on a bigger scale but ALL Dragon Ball stories hold a special place in my heart! Nice video Sub for sure look forward to more great content on your channel! PS. SSJ4 is Meta lol
Both series are cash grabs because someone wanted to continue on the series. GT was because Toei wanted to cash in and Super because Toriyama wanted to make more presumably after the failure that was DB Evolution. Super's coloring also wasn't great and I was glad it was changed for Broly. GT's coloring was much better. Yamamuro's designs left much to be desired vs Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru, who had much better designs. DBGT also copies DBZ in some ways too. DBGT's ending was also great. I don't know about it doing the adventure aspect well. To me it feels like it didn't execute well on this aspect
Tbh i am a super hater,I hate everything about super except some episodes and the manga,But in my opinion discount super saiyan(Ssb) Is the worst form in db media,The only “Good” form i would say is god but it became weak quicker than black frieza saying the N-Word,And besides its kind of ironic bcs dbs goku is a manchild(A child stuck in a mans body) while gt goku is a man stuck in a kids body
When you have a Goku black profile picture
yeah Ssb is a pretty bad form
Nah, GT is the better series.
Gt isn't that bad the worst they do is the first arc which is the worst arc in db by far but super straight up disrespects fans of z and og db with the use of only saiyans in the spotlight they have forgotten about side characters
GT uses its non-saiyan characters much worse than DBS and DBZ tho, so I don't get what your point even is. DBS at least gives Piccolo, the humans, and hybrids so much spotlight. But GT only uses the saiyans which is why i really dont like hwhat GT does to the side characters. Not to mention GT just straight up disrespecting everyone besides Goku.
the first arc of GT is not the worst arc of DB, that's the Garlic Jr Arc from DBZ by FAR.
@@Patientvector I don't know what you mean by worse, GT don't disrespect the secondary characters, they simply don't use it. meanwhile Super have an illusion of good use of side characters, because when you actually think about it, they don't do anything either. i can only think of Frieza, Roshi and 17 being properly used in DBS. and 17 felt forced.
@@banjo9158 No, GT definitely disrespects the side characters. For example, not having Goten and Trunks fuse against Omega Shenron makes no sense. Sure, it wouldn't have helped that much, but GT's nonsense writing tries to convince viewers that its preferable that they fight in base form rather than fused. Also, GT disrespects Piccolo by having him die before he ever actually accomplishes anything in the series. Same with Krillin. It just hurts to see the characters we loved in the past being mistreated. Not to mention Tien never even showing up except for the last episode if I remember.
@@Patientvector Piccolo dying is more respectful to his character than everything DBS anime did with him. + that's not the only thing he did in the anime. Gotenks not appearing sucks but that's not disrespectful to their characters AT ALL. Gotenks only appeared in DBS just to get beaten, that's true disrespect. Krillin final moments with Goku were more emotional and heartfelt than anything DBS did to him. + just dying is not disrespectful to the characters. Disrespect to a character is more than just that. Tien, Yamcha and others not appearing is not disrespectful. It's fine actually. If you have no use for the character is ok to not use it. Tien is actually done dirty in DBS.
I like gt even tho story was crusty but at that time gt was amazing for me atleast.
Gt had closure
And transformation
But super , gokus intrests sucks,too much transformation and the scale of things are getting comical large.
Like first kami ,then the introduced yama then then kais then grand kai to supreme kai till this was fine its story driven but later own angel and G.O.D and zeno its just to much after that moro and granola arcs doesn't make sense at all.
Facts. Super is way better than GT.
Right super has that trunks and Mai pedophilia when GT addressed the characters lol.
@@OrangeStarHighSchool Right instead GT has an entire scene where wild animal drinks Pan's breast milk, that sounds so much better right??? Keep in mind Pan is only like 10 in GT
@@OrangeStarHighSchooldb always had pedophilia sadly
@@jantheking7028age never mattered in db
@@notesuuu2964 You act like pedophilla is a Dragon Ball thing
nah super was straight trash