FREEMASON and MORMON?! | with Brandon Cole
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- This episode was a BLAST! We had the very unique and exciting opportunity to interview a Freemason and Mormon, Brandon! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Saints has some distant history of freemasonry and ties within the LDS temple to freemasonry. Though not many members of the church are Freemasons, Brandon happens to be one and has an incredible story to tell. He talks about how both his religion and his association in Freemasonry go hand-in-hand.
Check out these sources, provided by Brandon:
Mark Koltko-Rivera's Video on the Church and Masonry:
• Masonic Initiation Rit...
Greg Kearney's FAIRMormon Talk "The Message and the Messenger":
www.fairlatter...
Brandon’s link tree to his own social media profiles:
linktr.ee/buddy91
Church's video on Masonry:
• Joseph Smith and Mason...
Here is the pertinent passage from the Salt Lake Tribune article:
"There is no specific Mormon prohibition of Masonry, but church spokesman Don LeFevre said the church discourages its members from joining it or similar groups.
"'The church strongly advises its members not to affiliate with organizations that are secret, oath-bound, or would cause them to lose interest in church activities,' he said. 'Local leaders have the autonomy to determine whether members who belong to secret or oath-bound organizations should be advanced in the priesthood or called to positions of authority.'''
"There is no specific Mormon prohibition of Masonry, but church spokesman Don LeFevre said the church discourages its members from joining it or similar groups.
"'The church strongly advises its members not to affiliate with organizations that are secret, oath-bound, or would cause them to lose interest in church activities,' he said. 'Local leaders have the autonomy to determine whether members who belong to secret or oath-bound organizations should be advanced in the priesthood or called to positions of authority.'''
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Conspiracy theorists: It's all a part of the free mason plan! Oh, to be a fly on the wall at one of their dastardly meetings.
Free mason Meetings: I get what your saying Doug, but what are we going to do with all these pancakes if nobody shows up?
Facts 😂😂
It’s just to make nerds feel cool because they’re in a club 🤣
We don't have Flys on the wall in our meetings. But I do like pancakes
Freemasonry is a sex cult within a fraternity. Mimicking one of the oldest (probably) religions which was all about fertility. They believe the whole universe is an orgy. Even the sun is actually "pregnating" mother earth. But it goes even deeper than that: WE ARE LIVING IN A MATRIX REINCARNATION SOUL TRAP. ALL EVIL SOULS REMAIN HERE.
Let’s go Brandon 🥳
This wasn’t a topic that heavily shook my testimony, however this video strongly strengthened my knowledge and testimony. Thankyou for this information and inspiring me to seek more knowledge on the topic.
I am happy to hear that you found this video to be of benefit.
I am LDS and hold a current Temple recommend. I am Master Mason, a Mark Master Mason, and a Royal Arch Master Mason. I study the Early Christian rites and know where you can find those that have been restored by Joseph Smith that were had in the Early Christian Church, but unknown in Joseph Smith's time. I was raised Roman Catholic, went to Catholic school, and hold a library card of a famous Catholic Abbey which has a copy of almost every Early Christian text of the first 500 Years. Since LDS Temple rites are sacred I will not go into detail but if we were in the LDS Temple we could clearly discuss many elements of the The Endowment the were had but lost until they were found recently. In fact I have showed my Masonic brothers elements of Masonic rites which are thousands of years old that they and non Masons thought were solely Masonic, but are Hebrew Temple Rites or Early Christian Rites. If you ask a LDS Temple attender what the purpose of the Endowment is they might not know. If you ask a Mason what the purpose of Masonic rites they might not know. However if you know both of these organization's rites purpose, you know that the LDS rites is an Early Christian rite and the Masonic Rites are elements borrowed from ancient unknown sources. Where did the Masons get bits of ancient rites? No one knows. I have read texts unknown to anyone until the mid 20th century that have expressions which are an exact match to LDS Temple expressions. There are LDS rites which are not used by most Christians today that are matches to Early Christian rites. Your listeners might study the original versions of the Holy Unction/ Chrismation Rite. The Holy Oranz Rite. The Holy Marriage Rite of the Orthodox Church in it's earliest complete form. They may also decode Chapters 1-3 of the Revelation of John. It is clearly Temple Ritual. I hope this helps.
@@MsJenniferwilson LDS is not Christian? Humm really? Says who?
This is great! I’m looking into freemasonry right now. So far the masons I talked to are super nice and awesome! I look forward to get to know masonry more.
Heber C Kimball said it the best "I wish that all men were masons and would live up to their profession, then the world would be in a much better state than it is now.” Whitney, Orson F. (1888). Life of Heber C. Kimball: Apostle, Father and Founder of the British Mission. Salt Lake City, Utah: Kimball Family. p. 27.
I must say, I wholly agree with him in that regard.
But Freemasons are notorious for atrocities & crimes against Humanity from the beginning. Man the devil is a liar. Trust Yeshua HaMashiach
@@lesblase3667
Freemasonry has nothing to do with atrocities or crimes against humanity. It is literally a civic fraternity that promotes moral self-improvement, personal integrity, and service to the community.
@@latter-daytemplar7156 I'm a convert to the church since 2005. But I had.uncle's that were masons. Also I was raised in a multi generational satanic cult and have seen babies and adults murdered in masonic temple in Kansas as a child through my adult years. This concerns me. Off course I was also I was raised as a church going Methodist. Almost every ritual abuse survivor that I know also saw the things I did in masonic temples. So why would the church think in any way this is right?. I go to the church's temple in Denver when I can but these things(secret stuff). really bothers me.
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Hey Brandon my great grandfather was very high in Scottish Rites . In the 1940s and 1950s there was absolutely no problem between his endowed LDS Church Temple covenants and the Scottish Rites. Keep up the good work
What a neat legacy to have in your family. Thank you for sharing and thanks for the kind comment!
Past Master of The Corinthian Lodge #13 GLNB, PP of Lord Beaverbrook Chapter #33 OES and current Bishop. Good presentation, lots of people commenting about things they do not understand.
Thanks brother! I'm glad that you enjoyed it. :)
Yep
Question for you Do you use the book of Mormon on the altar. ? I'm not a Mormon and I'm just asking. /G\ every other VSL is used on the altar but not knowing any Mormons that's why I asked Thank you
Awesome video. Cleared up so many questions. Keep the great work!
Freemasonry is literally luciferianism. You can't be a Christian and be a member. It didn't clear anything up. Then again he's a Mormon and already going to hell
I’m a Mormon and I love ❤️ masons
I am the Worshipful Master at Bethany #821 in Black River,NY. A member of my lodge is LDS and a Freemason.
Glad to know you brother. I think that you and I might be in one or two of the same Masonic groups on Facebook. :)
Dope
Individuals should not be titled Worshipful Masters. The deceiver has great power in the last days. My opinion.
@@bishdizzle67
"Individuals should not be titled Worshipful Masters."
I don't see why not. There's nothing theological about the title. "Worshipful" is synonymous with "reverent," "reverential," and "respectful." "Master" is a term with the traditional context of mastering one's craft/skill and, in the case of this particular office, is used to denote the officer who presides over and serves his Lodge.
"The deceiver has great power in the last days. My opinion."
This I agree with; however, I see no logical bearing that this could have on such a title.
@@BrandonCole_edohi watch the 5 hour video I posted. It's enlightening
What are the additional benefits, from an LDS perspective, to becoming a freemason? Is this something you put on a job application?
In addition to those benefits mentioned, I'd say that other benefits include having someone to trust or rely upon for help almost anyplace where I travel (if needed; i.e., a flat tire in a foreign country, etc.), increased opportunities to be of service myself (charities, service projects, etc.), and a potentially never-ending journey of education.
Most Masons would almost never list their involvement on a job application simply because:
- It will almost always be irrelevant (though there are a few exceptions; i.e., serving in a leadership position, keeping track of the lodge's finances, etc.).
- Freemasonry is not to be used for "mercenary motives."
- A lot of people today unfortunately have the wrong idea about Masonry, and listing it could therefore potentially hurt the applicant's chances of being employed.
In the end for me personally, however, Masonry is entirely for improving myself, having a reliable brotherhood (additional to what is found in the Church), and helping others.
I am sure that other Masons could also list other benefits here that they've seen or experienced.
I think the benefits are unique from person to person. The goal of Masonry is to make good men better, so from a Church perspective, that's a worthwhile goal so long as it doesn't interfere with your ability to spend time with and care for your family, your Church calling(s), or work.
As far as putting it on a job application, I can't see the benefit. Religion and politics are supposed to be strictly prohibited and, as is my understanding, if you're petitioning to join a lodge to make contacts to further your business dealings, you're petitioning for the wrong reason. That's not to say your contacts made from becoming a Mason may not be beneficial in advancing your career, but the reason to join is to improve oneself. If you're petitioning to get a better job or learn the secrets of the universe, odds are your application will be denied.
@@AlexGetts
Regarding the end of your comment here, I would also add that, even if one's petition to join does go through, it is likely that such a person joining for those reasons will eventually end up getting disappointed and leave.
@@latter-daytemplar7156 Ha ha ha, good point. :D
Thank you for this episode - recommend it to anyone who has had questions about the Temple and Freemasonry. Before I was baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, I was a member of DeMolay, the junior (youth) Masonic organization.
We have been talking about opening a DeMolay chapter here in St George. I never had the opportunity to join, but it does seem like a fantastic organization!
Hello guys how can I join freemasonry I’ve been trying to ask people to take in none help me since 2015 until guys I need help 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Is there a specific type of freemasonry I should be looking into? Or is it all the same thing
Blue lodge
Your best bet would be a lodge any of the grand lodge jurisdictions recognized as valid by the Conference of Grand Masters of North America and/or the United Grand Lodge of England. After becoming a Master Mason, there are scores of other groups that you can join if any of them pique your interest.
You are more than welcome to reach out to me if you need any assistance in figuring out how to find the local lodge(s) in your area.
@@latter-daytemplar7156 is everyone accepted to join
@@dolepaul8367 anyone can petition a lodge. Not everyone will get accepted. They investigate you and will perform a background check. If your a man of faith and are in good standing with the law, odds are they will let that candidate in! Hopefully this answers your question!
@@texttwenty-nine1627 thanks I now understand. But eventually how can I join
Freemason imagery really makes me uncomfortable.
I'm sorry to hear that. Is there any specific reason?
@@latter-daytemplar7156 dude, you are going to hell. Repent and leave the cult
@@doctor-arne2820
Since Freemasonry is not a religion, it does not qualify as a cult. That stated, your subjective opinion is received.
@@latter-daytemplar7156 Hahah, you cant fool me. Lying snake
@@doctor-arne2820
I haven't lied to you in any way, shape, or form.
Thank you Brandon! I found this super interesting and informative.
You are very welcome! I am glad that you enjoyed it.
Wonderful video. Thanks for the content, and great job, Worshipful Cole, with explaining things so well.
Thanks Brother!
Aren’t the Mormon priests keys the same handshakes and passwords as the first 3 degrees of masonry? Weird right?
Most tokens in Masonry differ in physical form from those used in the Church's temple endowment ceremony; all tokens, however, differ in correlation to subject matter, context, and purposes.
All passwords/keywords differ.
Joseph Smith was a high-ranking mason and its funny how he exalts himself just like the esoteric meaning of the upper echelons of the fraternity states that lucifer is a symbol of becoming enlightened on a God-like level.
@@npche9865 Lol so close and so far away at the same time.
Joseph Smith wasn't a "high ranking mason". Nowhere in freemasonry is Lucifer talked about. Knowledge is something that freemasons revere, but... I'm sorry for lauging at you... lol not knowledgable on a god-like level.
Lucifer the morning star has had many meanings and been a label assigned to many characters, including Jesus. Which Lucifer are you talking about? The Satan?
@@friendo6257 Albert Pyke's Morals and Dogma is one of many examples of mentioning lucifer as the true god of masonry. There is only one devil and his name is Lucifer with Satan being more of a title so using his name to refer to anyone else is at the very least silly if not downright sinister. *cough cough* Catholic church referring to Jesus as the morning star and the lightbringer in Latin (so they said Lucifer) but I digress...
@@npche9865 You need to work on your reading comprehension if you think Albert Pike says anything about Freemasonry teaching worship in Lucifer in Morals and Dogma. He talks about Lucifer disparagingly.
You are wrong again with regard to the titles. Lucifer is a greek name that was given to the morning star. The name predates 2nd temple Judaism when the concept of an evil god was brought back from Babylon. Prior to the 2nd temple Satan was a job title for angels in Gods heavenly court.
Satan, is an ancient hebrew job title for an angel tasked with opposing god or challenging the faith of his followers. This is fact. Any old testiment scholar will tell you this.
Lucifer = Greek. Satan = Hebrew. Diablo = Latin. Devil = English version of Diablo.
You're ascribing to some pretty baseless religious conspiracy theories here.
I get very confused with this topic. I see a lot of masonry symbolism with the disgusting music videos I see. I see it in the church too. I have yet to find fault in this church or masonry but I wish someone could tell me why I see this symbology in disgusting things
I thought that I answered this, but I'm not seeing my reply.
Symbolism is finite and ambiguous; there is no one symbol that, in and of itself, is limited to a sole group or interpretation.
There is also the logical standard that "correlation does not equate to causation."
That stated, most of the symbols that are attributed to Freemasonry by non-Masons aren't actually Masonic symbols.
A lot of musicians, Like Jay-Z, have taken advantage of the publicity they can receive by making people interpret them as a freemason. Having something like a square and compass visible or worn doesnt make them a mason.
These people are being deceived. The lowest people in the Masons don't know the truth at the top its all a process of weeding out who doesn't belong. Watch "X factor winner reveals worlds secret religion". It's very long but if you watch the first 20-30mins you will see it. The man was a prior Mason until he realized. The Masons are a subgroup from past groups just as the Masons have sub groups. They are the people who control the world. This video exposes basically every celebrity and people In power. I hope you watch because it's eye opening
My former Bishop was also a mason. I love him he is amazing and caring person!
It seems to me that you shouldn't have to see an LDS member aspire to be a Mason or really even consider it, the Elders Quorum should fill that longing. So, ideally, the Elders Quorum is where that should be, same goals, etc. Maybe???? Because the church keeps it members so busy and occupies time with callings, Masons have more time on their hands to do all the charitable work. I would think that's what Joseph Smith wanted the EQ to be but we as foulable mortals in a fallen world haven't been able to help achieve that
I agree that EQ should be able to do for the individual member what Masonry does. I would even argue that, in many places, EQ is successful in many such aspects.
Having grown up in Indiana, Tennessee, and California, I certainly had that feeling in the YM, and I know that my parents did as well in HP/RS. In the 20+ wards that I've lived in here in Utah, however, that feeling has been missing in all but one of them. For the most part, my Utah EQ experience has only been comprised of weekly (and later/now semi-monthly) EQ meetings/classes on Sundays. Nobody knows each other, mainly because of the high turnover in membership (what with us living in a college town, lots of people moving in or out regularly).
I think that wards and branches are typically more tight-knit in smaller communities. They meet more often for activities, barbecues, etc. Ward/stake temple night is a carpooling event that forces you to get to know your neighbor. And so on.
But, Masonry does have a lot that EQ doesn't offer. For example, in EQ one needs to be called by revelation to serve in a particular leadership role; only then does one serve in that role if he's willing and able; in Masonry, leadership roles fall to whoever is able and willing. A Lodge can offer more opportunities to develop leadership skills than an EQ might.
In Lodge, we also hold practices for our degree ceremonies; EQ doesn't have an equivalent to this. Perhaps back when temple ceremonies were regularly performed live instead of on-screen an EQ might have practiced their lines together, but such is certainly not the case now.
Masons can also discuss the secrets of Masonry anywhere, so long as the discussion remains in private between them; those sacred things in the church's temple endowment ceremony which we covenant not to disclose, however, we only discuss in the temple and not anywhere else, regardless of whether we are solely in the company of fellow temple-endowed Latter-day Saints.
Being active in the Lodge also provides more opportunities in general to try to be a Christlike example to non-members, given that most of the typical Lodge's membership won't be Latter-day Saints.
So there are some advantages that Masonry has that EQ cannot have. I'd give preference to EQ every time out of a sense of duty, but I'm glad to be a part of both.
In short, you raise a valid point; but after years of thinking about it, I'm not sure how to resolve the issue for such wards/branches where EQs don't feel like fraternal organizations.
I would also add, however, that restraining myself solely to EQ would never have led me to conquering the doubts that I wanted to confront concerning the antagonistic rumors about the Church's history with Freemasonry.
Outstanding job by Brother Cole. Your very thorough knowledge and explanation about freemasonry is commendable. Makes me want to seek more information about the Church of LDS.
Thank you! I am glad that you enjoyed it.
Just curious why a lds would want to be a mason, i know Js, Hs and their father were members but did they not miss appropriate the light of the lodge and die for it?
Hello!
I became a Mason because it was explained to me that Masonry is about "making good men better," focusing on moral self-improvement and service to others. Those principles go hand-in-hand with the principles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
As explained in the video, Joseph did not steal, appropriate, or plagiarize any "light" (or, in other words: subject matter, context, or purposes) from Masonry; he did adopt elements from the Masonic teaching model (concepts of theatrical presentation, physical gestures for tokens, illustrative symbols, etc.), but these were adapted to teach the Church's unique doctrine and to make covenants with God.
It is not proven that any Masons were present at Joseph and Hyrum Smith's martyrdom; although a few men were charged with participating in the mob who martyred Joseph and Hyrum were initiated in Masonry *after* the martyrdom had taken place, after which the Lodge that initiated the alleged mobsters gave up their charter due to pressure from the Grand Lodge of Illinois.
In the end, it appears that Joseph and Hyrum were martyred for reasons relative to politics and to the teachings of their religion (which were, in and of themselves, independent of Masonry).
Curious why anyone would want to be LDS.
@@latter-daytemplar7156 Here's my issue with masonry. I had ex who is lds and mason. He showed me some pictures of the rituals. I did not feel good when I saw them. I wished I heed to the warnings. I had the same feeling when I came across witches or whenever they were nearby. But I ignore it because I thought he was good priesthood holder and was doing his best. Turns out he was just hypocrite and had no remorse for the bad things he did but im not gonna get into details cuz thats not important. Then months later I stumble across church video about Mason. Yup I was freaking out. Eventually I talk to good friend who is a temple worker. He said" what you saw was a corruption of the ordinance." I ask then why can they hold a temple recommend. He said" as long they are not violating there covenant they are fine." Eh I don't like that answer but I will leave it to God to deal with it. I came to the conclusion that mason rituals are counterfeit to the ordinance. I guess i can only confirm this once i go through the temple. So there really isn't a point to masons other than maybe what youre really looking for are friends then I can see the appeal akin to Boy Scots. But still I can't forget that feeling
@@ramosaileen8889
"Here's my issue with masonry. I had ex who is lds and mason. He showed me some pictures of the rituals. I did not feel good when I saw them. I wished I heed to the warnings. I had the same feeling when I came across witches or whenever they were nearby. But I ignore it because I thought he was good priesthood holder and was doing his best."
The notion that he supposedly showed you pictures of rituals from the Church's temple ceremonies indicates to me that he was not a good priesthood holder, since deceit is required in order to get a camera into the Church's temple ceremonies.
"Turns out he was just hypocrite and had no remorse for the bad things he did but im not gonna get into details cuz thats not important. Then months later I stumble across church video about Mason. Yup I was freaking out. Eventually I talk to good friend who is a temple worker. He said' what you saw was a corruption of the ordinance.'"
This is baseless folklore left over from decades of members of the Church being prohibited from joining Lodges in Utah. Given that Masonry had some small influence on the ceremonial vehicle that conveys the temple ordinance, that many Masons in JS's day subscribed to the unproven hypothesis that Masonry had direct ties to the building of King Solomon's Temple, and that most members of the Church were cut off from Masonry for the better part of a century, it is understandable that such folklore would evolve among members of the Church to explain the issue, especially in the face of antagonistic gossip from the Church's critics. Unfortunately, even temple workers are not immune to falling victim to such gossip. The fact is that, though the ordinance predates Masonry (having been "hid from before the foundation of the world" [D&C 124] until it was revealed to JS), the beginnings of Masonry (1598) predate the restoration of the temple endowment ordinance to the children of God on earth (1842).
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"I ask then why can they hold a temple recommend. He said' as long they are not violating there covenant they are fine.' Eh I don't like that answer but I will leave it to God to deal with it. I came to the conclusion that mason rituals are counterfeit to the ordinance."
As have many others, based upon the above-mentioned folklore.
"I guess i can only confirm this once i go through the temple. So there really isn't a point to masons other than maybe what youre really looking for are friends then I can see the appeal akin to Boy Scots."
The promotion of moral self-improvement, personal integrity, and opportunities to serve the community are some benefits among many that one gets both from Freemasonry and from the Boy Scouts.
"But still I can't forget that feeling"
It can sometimes be difficult to distinguish self-generated feelings from revelation for just about anyone.
I really enjoyed watching this video.
I am glad that you enjoyed it.
No disrespect intended...but Im getting the distinct impression that Masonry is struggling with member numbers.
That depends a lot on the area. In some places, it's struggling; in others, it's blooming.
@@BrandonCole_edohi I think the big issue is that Masonry is just about outlived it's purpose. The towers are all established, and the city is ready to be activated and recognized. What happens with Masonry once the job is complete?
@@scottenosh4548
I disagree; the job will never be complete during mortality. There will always be a need for organizations that encourage moral self-improvement, personal integrity, and service to the community.
@@BrandonCole_edohi Ahh...there it is. 'Mortality'. Is it not the Masons that say 'Faith is the end of Wisdom'?? 'Mortality' is one (of many) way to admit there is indeed an END to all things...and yet that same statement confesses that there is eternity. It's the paradox' that philosophy and tradition (even when disguised as 'religion') CANNOT seem to get around. I look around the world and I see peril Mr. Cole. Then I 'zoom in', and simply look at my local area, and see.....more peril. What is it exactly that (free?)Masons are doing?? Are you truly free Mr. Cole? I think not. I say this with love. It really is time you started thinking more about eternity, and less about 'Generativity' (the arrow goes 'rou d and round, don't it?). Where will you spend eternity Mr. Cole?
@@scottenosh4548
"Ahh...there it is. 'Mortality'. Is it not the Masons that say 'Faith is the end of Wisdom'??"
Nope. In fact, I've never heard that phrase (or any variation thereof) in my life.
"'Mortality' is one (of many) way to admit there is indeed an END to all things […]"
Temporally, anyway.
"[…] and yet that same statement confesses that there is eternity."
I agree that there is eternity, but mortality is a completely different concept.
"It's the paradox' that philosophy and tradition (even when disguised as 'religion') CANNOT seem to get around."
A paradox which has no logical bearing on anything that I previously wrote here.
"I look around the world and I see peril Mr. Cole. Then I 'zoom in', and simply look at my local area, and see.....more peril. What is it exactly that (free?)Masons are doing??"
We're trying to be better men today than we were yesterday. That's the sum of it.
"Are you truly free Mr. Cole?"
I have moral agency, if that's what you're trying to get at.
"I think not."
Your subjective opinion is received.
"I say this with love. It really is time you started thinking more about eternity […]"
As a faithful disciple of Jesus Christ, I already do. The premise of your statement here (that I haven't) is baseless and false.
"[…] and less about 'Generativity' […]."
Well, as a disciple of Jesus Christ, I can say that this part of your invitation directly contradicts His Gospel message; we are to love and serve our neighbors.
"Where will you spend eternity Mr. Cole?"
As a Latter-day Saint, I plan to and have faith that I will spend eternity in the presence of God.
This is a wonderful and very thoughtful topic.
Thanks for watching!
As soon as I saw the stupid plastic shield between the two of them I didn’t care what else they had to say.
It was a proper measure to take at the time that this interview was filmed.
That's not a logical reason to disregard the content of the video.
Greetings brother. Progress Lodge #22, Salt Lake City.
Good to meet you, brother. 🙂
Disgusting
@ Doctor-Arne.. Yes, at 33 they are finally are told which higher power they are serving... (🐐) Until that point they believe they are in a mens social club, lol...
Well made, learned a lot
I'm glad!
True. Masonry says all religions are ok. Just the ability to take an oath and be bound by a belief in a higher power.
I would clarify that Masonry does not take any position on what religions are okay from a theological standpoint, since it does not have a theology. It does, however, avoid discriminating on basis of religion so long as one is not an atheist.
I would also clarify that the religious requirement is belief in a Supreme Being, not just a higher power (since phenomena of nature, such as gravity, the vast nothingness of space, Kodiak bears, etc., could be considered a higher power than man without being considered a Being).
Of course, these clarifications are for mainstream Masonry.
This was a good conversation to have. I am both a brother of the church and the fraternity as well. Saints unscripted did a great job discussing how Joseph’s prophecy and subsequent use of Masonic rituals, was akin to the use of circumcising after visiting Egypt for another prophet 😉 in a past episode. That said, the guest may need to revisit his degree rituals.. if he thinks that the E.A degree is absent of the creation allegory.. 🤷🏻♂️. overall, its refreshing having been born in the covenant in the 70’s to no longer see the subject matter so taboo. America was to be the new Zion.. founded by Mostly Masons and a Mason as its first president. Christ’s church needed to be restored on earth and it was a Young man who was raised in a Masonic family and a Mason himself, that was chosen as the prophet to steward it and be the 1st president. I prefer to look at this as rather specific and happy coincidence 🥰🥰
Hey there, brother! Thank you for pointing this out. In the ritual of my grand lodge jurisdiction, although the Creation is briefly mentioned commemoratively in the EA degree, it is not used as the allegorical setting of that degree.
If the ritual of your lodge differs in this regard, then I am happy to acknowledge this jurisdictional difference and will endeavor to be more specific in the future. 🙂
@@BrandonCole_edohi It does show up, and though we all recognize jurisdictional differences in ritual, even from state to state, the denoting of the beginning, creation and more light out of darkness are prominently demonstrated in the E.A. it is of course esoteric in nature, thus neither you or I have any authority to make conclusive declarations do we? Be well brother.
Dude practically everyone was a Mason back then. That was not out of the norm. And also was it part of the plan that the Mason mob killed the prophet. Seriously that's you're own belief. If it's church cannon then show me otherwise
I’m a mason and a Mormon. Read Born in Blood and then read Temple and Cosmos. JS didn’t take symbols and rituals from masonry…these ordinances are ancient from Adam. Fascinating and I love it!!!
Fascinating. I've always been intrigued by freemasonry, especially when I learned that a lot of US founding fathers were involved (to my understanding at least, whether it's true or not) since that's where my love of history stems from. I've somewhat considered being involved (I think we have a lodge by my house in Tooele) but I don't have a whole lot of free time. I also heard that advancement comes with a monetary fee, which doesn't particularly interest me.
Not a Mason, but I've researched it a lot, so hopefully this helps: There are fees involved, but they're typically minimal. There's an annual dues fee, and then fees with advancement. From my understanding, typically when you advance you get some tokens of advancement (i.e. the apron), so I'd assume the fee goes toward covering those costs. Annual fees vary by jurisdiction, so they could be more or less, but I believe one of the local Salt Lake lodges was around $100. Additionally, I understand there is financial assistance or even dues being waived if your financial situation warrants it. Per the Utah Grand Lodge, "Like all organizations, Lodges must be able to pay their light bills." These dues aren't going to some head honcho, rather they're keeping the lodge operating and kept up. Additionally, Masons are an actively giving charitable organization, so outside of helping to pay for lodge maintenance, the money is put to good use.
@@AlexGetts
Very well-written; I don't think that I could have put it better.
@@latter-daytemplar7156 Thank you!
Dont
Petition. Welcome to the Craft in advance.
I'm a Mormon and Mason you go bro. ;)
You should leave the cult
@@doctor-arne2820 I love my cult nice and extra culty lol
@@edmundoalarcon2000 your going to hell bud, enjoy it
@@doctor-arne2820 sure thanks for the judgement I'll keep that in mind
I'm glad I'm a Christian
Love the brothers at St. George. You might have been at my raising in 2018 at your lodge.
I very well might have been! I moved back to St George in February of that year and have been back ever since. :)
You ain’t fooling me satan
If faithful LDS put more time and effort into their Priesthood Quorums they wouldn't need to join any manmade institutions. Focus on the Gospel and you can't go wrong
Respectfully, we Latter-day Saints are to be an example of our faith to others; this would be hard to accomplish if we walled ourselves off from the rest of the world only to focus on our respective Priesthood quorums.
So long as one is able to and does perform his respective duties to God, there is nothing wrong with being a Freemason, an Elk, a Boy Scout, a Rotarian, and so on.
Should we similarly not join school fraternities/sororities, political parties, gaming groups, etc? If these groups enhance oneself and don't detract from our familial, church, and work duties, there's nothing wrong with them. It's wholly possibly to focus on the Gospel *and* engage in other activities and groups.
@@latter-daytemplar7156 I don't have one foot in the world and one foot in the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ.... I'm All in with our Savior. Each his own brotha
@@NinjaNomad48
Does that mean, then, that you work (or worked) solely for the Church, without any dealings and/or membership of any kind with any other organization?
If not, then you have had a foot in the world in the same or similar ways as I, a faithful Latter-day Saint, have had.
One can be all in with the Savior and still represent Him to the world. To pretend otherwise limits us as His representatives.
Be well, my friend.
I'm a Mormon and a Mason
The devil used to be an angel too
Why? Joseph Smith declared the LDS Temple ritual is the pure form and the masons are the corrupted version. So why would any beliving lds even bother with the outdated version? Just seems like nobody uses their brain anymore these days?
If you got your eagle scout you're in. I think the boys scouts is connected with them.
Some Lodges will ask on petition if you where a Eagle scout. Trying to figure out if the petitioner is a piece of shit or not. And if your smart. Also criminal history during election for a enter Apprentice
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Of all the times over the years that I have been a part of or headed the investigation of someone who was petitioning to join, I think that Scouts has ever only come up once. Although I would take into account the achievement of Eagle Scout, it would never be a deciding factor for me, because I am sure that there are at least a handful of Eagle Scouts who didn't/don't live up to BSA's values.
☝👀 yep Brandon knows
There are many of us “Mormon” masons. Charity-Zaredetha Lodge #189, St. Joseph, MO
Glad to know you brother!
SMIB
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Huh, disnt know Brandon Sanderson was a mason, cool.
I'm flattered to be compared with Brandon Sanderson, but I am not him haha🙂
"I Am the Corner Stone that the Builders rejected"- Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
Of course, Christ was referring to the Jewish leaders of His time, and not to the then-non-existent Freemasons (especially given that Freemasonry, as a non-religion, does not require the rejection of Jesus Christ in any way, shape, or form).
@@BrandonCole_edohi you are either a low level Grunt. Or you have no idea, not a freaking clue about what"Free-Masonry" is actually about.
Sorry Dude.
@@allentremper8243 So what is it all about?
@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m secrecy
@@BrandonCole_edohi so then did the masons originate from the building of solomons temple yes or no? Because most Saints seem to believe that masonry is a form of the pure ordinances and building of solomons temple.
Oh btw by what were said to be the forces used to build solomons temple?
Yes exactly when you have questions about a group or religion ask someone whose believes it. More likely to get am honest answer about what they actually believe and why. :) 👍
Yes and you should only trust the Chevy dealer to tell you the honest truth about Chevy and not: consumer reports, or customer reviews or anything else.
See how stupid that sounds in real life?
"I don't know if we've had a Freemason on the show"
Come on man you would know if there's been a Freemason or not.
To be fair, their show has been going on for a while.
My grandfather was a 33rd degree mason.
That would have made him both a Freemason (3° Master Mason) and a Scottish Riter (33°; title varies depending on jurisdiction).
Those are two cool legacies to have in your family.
If the temple ceremony is critical to Mormon heaven it should have been covered in the book of Mormon.
I would understand Joseph Smith becoming a Freemason after publishing the book of Mormon and then borrowed a few minor things from Freemasonry. What I don't understand is the Freemason ceremonies being the most important ceremony in the Mormon church
I disagree with two of your major points here.
1. In D&C 124, Christ is recorded to have said that He would reveal temple ordinances that had "been hid from before the foundation of the world," contingent on the Latter-day Saints building the Nauvoo temple. The temple endowment ceremony is one of the three temple ordinances that were thereafter revealed in Nauvoo. Because the temple endowment had "been hid from before the foundation of the world" until it was revealed to the Latter-day Saints in Nauvoo, there is no expectation that knowledge of such a ceremony was had among the authors of The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.
2. The Church's temple endowment ceremony does have Masonic influence, but only insofar as *how* things are taught; that influence has nothing to do with *what* things are taught, *why* things are taught, or *in what light* things are taught. Because this influence is so superficial, the Church's temple endowment ceremony overall does not qualify as Masonic, especially since:
- The Church does not possess a charter or dispensation from any Masonic Grand Lodge.
- The Church does not have any Masonic subject matter, do anything in any Masonic context, or have any Masonic purposes.
If Joseph had never become a Mason and there had been no Masonic influence on the Church's temple endowment ceremony, we would still be taught the same doctrine and make the same covenants to keep Christ's commandments; it would all just be conveyed or presented in a different way.
Nicely done.
Thank you! 🙂
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I was Raised In The Faith, I have a question, how can you be The Son Of The Living God and the Widow's Son at the Same Time?
You can not, this is where everything falls apart, if you inner stand what the Widow is, and claim to be Iriam A., What does Nimrod have to do with Jesus Christ?
I am literally a son of God. I have allegorically taken part in an allegorical drama where I depicted the widow's son.
As most, I draw a line between what is literal and what is allegorical.
@@BrandonCole_edohi I don't know how you can be both, but it's your life, not mine. Take care.
@@allentremper8243
I can be both in exactly the same way that I can be a literal son of God and still play Hamlet (another widow's son) onstage. I hope that this helps.
@@BrandonCole_edohi so Masonry is just an acting class? It doesn't teach you anything Esoteric? I have read a lot of your books, I am sorry but I know the mind of the Luciferian ideology, unfortunately Mormons(I was raised in the Church) are more prone to think this ok, because of how differently a Jew or Christian looks and inner stands what actually took place in the Garden.
Trying to get back another way than picking up your cross and following the teachings of Jesus Christ, trying to ascend without Him, or thinking of calling yourself a Templar, my gosh, you should just say you are following the Jesuit codes and values. Read their oath there Brother, for We are to have nothing to do with The Great Work of Man.
@@allentremper8243
As I described in the video, Freemasonry gives a theatrical presentation of a moral allegory.
Just because you have read a lot of secondary/tertiary opinion- or gossip-pieces does not mean that you know what Freemasonry is about. How many primary, authoritative sources (in other words, materials published by legitimate grand lodges) have you used instead in your studies on Masonry?
Freemasonry is neither a religion nor a substitute for one; it therefore does not have anything to do with "[trying] to get back another way than picking up your cross and following the teachings of Jesus Christ, trying to ascend without Him." This is a complete misrepresentation of Freemasonry.
Freemasonry also has nothing to do with "Jesuit codes and values," given that the Jesuits are a branch of the Catholic Church and Freemasonry is not. Freemasonry also does not require oaths taken to others, but rather obligations taken upon oneself to be a better man.
I invite you not to rely on such gossip, as it is not a valid metric for truth.
Ohhh coool. Thanks for the video! I learned stuff, and finaly what people mean by masonary XD
I like
Most who claim masonry have no idea what tracing boards are, for or what they mean.
The Masonic Temple here in St George has tracing boards hanging up in our Lodge room. For the two degree lectures that I have memorized, I am one of the few who uses them as visual aids when giving those lectures.
To be a Mason is to ask a Mason
Well, yes, to be one, ask one. :)
“There is ONE group that has the 4th through the 33rd degree.” And you didn’t ask him which group is that??? 🤦🏻♀️
Paging @RyanMercer
Masonry has 3 degrees: Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft (or Fellow Craft), and Master Mason. Then there are appendant bodies that have other degrees like the York Rite and the Scottish Rite. The Scottish Rite has 4th-32nd degrees which are attainable by all members, the 33rd degree in the Scottish Rite is an honorary degree given to members who have made major contributions to society or to Masonry in general.
In addition to the correct information provided by @@RyanMercer, I would also add here that the Scottish Rite is not the end-all of Masonry; it is merely one of scores of such appendant/concordant bodies that a 3° Master Mason may join.
How dare you not mentioning the legendary and secretive Stonecutters in your meme references, guys? Lol
My apologies. I shall now chain myself to the boulder of shame for my negligence. LOL
@@latter-daytemplar7156 you've recognized your mistake, you shall carry then the Boulder of Triumph.
@@BlueJayBirdSaint
LOL
Thank you Brother Cole.
You are quite welcome!
16:30. Great comment about doubting negative information about other religions. That is why I doubt Scientology is all the crazy things of which it is accused.
I have a brother who left our family for scientology. He can come for visits once in a while, but basically he doesn't have anything to do with us and it's sad to me. I'm not sure if it's more him that stays away, or the rules set forth. His family sends Christmas cards but we don't get to know anything about their lives.
The reason you don't see those crazy things in Scientology is because you have no foundation of truth.
Don't Masons were upset when Joseph. Smith copy their rituals
and put them in his temples?
No. Such claims and theories about copying did not originate until years after Joseph's martyrdom.
And, as explained in the video, the "copying" was very limited and superficial in scope.
@elenasologistoa567 We really don't care if anyone knows our rituals and even our "secrets". Anyone may buy one of our ritual books from any online supplier. You don't need to give any password, or show any secret sigh. Just your card details, like ANY online retailer.
the thing about our secrets, is this. We make a promise to keep certain things (the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked) to ourselves and this is merely symbolic of our integrity... that if asked to keep something private, we can do that. We don't care if you know them or not... but being a man of integrity, you won't get them from me. I made a promise and as a man of integrity, I will keep that promise.
@@BrandonCole_edohi You talk with authority but you actually have no idea what you're talking about.
@@outlawedmedia4336
Thanks for the baseless gossip.
Super interesting!
I wonder if there is a women’s lodge I know it’s more a men’s fraternity.
In the United States and some few other countries, there are groups like the Order of the Eastern Star, the Order of the Amaranth, the Social Order of the Beauceant, etc., which are open to the female relatives of Masons (or, in the case of the Beauceant, open to female relatives of Masonic Knights Templar).
Eastern star. For girls 10- 20 jobs daughters. And demoly is a group for boys.
Wow. Freemasonry is not Christian In any way. It's either God or the world. Not both
Freemasonry is neither a religion nor a substitute for one, and therefore does not claim (nor even need to claim) to be Christian.
Christians are not prohibited from participating in various things outside of Christianity, including attending the local public library, joining the Boy Scouts, or becoming Freemasons.
@@latter-daytemplar7156 difference is that Christians don't take oaths of secrecy to join the scouts whereas in the masons you do
@@Jay-fv1hc
In Masonry, we have secrets (which are extremely few) for two reasons:
1. It's tradition extending back to the days of stonemasonry, when stonemasons had to keep their signed credentials secret for the purpose of preserving the integrity of that credentialing system (which is touched upon in this video).
2. To measure our integrity (as touched upon in this video).
3. To preserve the impact of the moral lessons taught in our degree ceremonies for those who have not yet experienced them.
We don't have oaths, but we do take upon ourselves obligations to preserve the secrets of Freemasonry for these reasons.
@@latter-daytemplar7156 you literally take an oath to secrecy and the punishment is death for those that spill any information. That's not a very Christian thing. Look I'm not here to argue about the way you live but I will not stand for an individual claiming freemasonry is ok for Christians. It's not. An organization need not hide anything if it truly is in harmony and alignment with God. Masonry hides everything therefore it cannot be of God and that which is of men is unholy.
Masonry and Christianity cannot coexist. The two are at ends and its either you choose God or the ways of man. Choose carefully.
@@Jay-fv1hc
Our obligations are exactly as I described them.
Penalties in Masonry are symbolic of how much we value being honest men of integrity (similar to the children's promise "cross my heart, hope to die, stick a needle in my eye") but have never been applied to a Mason by justly constituted Masonic authority. There is even Biblical precedent for them:
"The mouth of the just bringeth forth wisdom: but the froward tongue shall be cut out."
-Proverbs 10:31 (KJV)
"And the men who transgressed my covenant and did not keep the terms of the covenant that they made before me, I will make them like the calf that they cut in two and passed between its parts-the officials of Judah, the officials of Jerusalem, the eunuchs, the priests, and all the people of the land who passed between the parts of the calf."
-Jeremiah 34:18-19 (ESV)
You state that an organization need not hide anything if it is truly in harmony and alignment with God; yet Christ Himself hid His teachings via parables from those who were not yet ready to receive them:
"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."
-Matthew 13:10-11 (KJV)
Christ also commanded witnesses to His miracles not to speak of them to anyone:
"And there came a leper to him, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, If thou wilt, thou canst make me clean. And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean. And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed. And he straitly charged him, and forthwith sent him away; And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them."
-Mark 1:40-44
I also have to wonder if your own church (or any other organization of which you are a member) would agree with your absolute statement here. Are you a member of any organization, for example, that has not published (or, in other words, kept secret) the information needed to access its bank account or social medium accounts? Honestly, I cannot imagine a church publishing its bank account username/password/etc for all to see and access.
Freemasonry is a private fraternity; it is just like any other private non-profit. It does not hide everything, your false claim to the contrary. Our meeting times/places have been published for centuries, in newspapers, phonebooks, on social media, etc. Secrecy is a sociological norm; everyone has secrets, including you. To claim that secrecy equates to unholiness and cannot be of God not only condemns yourself but also goes contrary to the very practices of Christ as illustrated above.
Christianity and Freemasonry absolutely can and do coexist, just as Christianity and the Boy Scouts have done for over a century; just as Christianity does with public libraries; just as Christianity does with basketball, theater, and food banks. Choosing God is not exclusive to any of these activities, and to pretend otherwise is exactly that: pretend.
Now, perhaps your own subjective view of Christianity cannot go hand-in-hand with your own subjective, uninformed view of Freemasonry, and that's fine; but please do not pretend to speak authoritatively for Christianity nor of Freemasonry. Most Freemasons are faithful, active Christians, and have a much better idea (via firsthand knowledge/experience) of how the two may go hand-in-hand than you (who do not have such experience in Masonry) do.
The rainbow didn't exist before the flood
Not true. The rainbow meaning a weapon of God did exist before. But you’re right in the sense that the visible rainbow on earth didn’t exist before.
I like how the freemasons are so diverse, even historically, as to let men of all places, religions etc join.
But; a) why don't they let women in? & b) Is it time, in your opinion, that the 'New World Order' consider doing so?
Freemasonry has traditionally been a male-only organization, with its roots dating back to the medieval stonemasons' guilds. These guilds, like many other trade and craft organizations of the time, were exclusively male due to social norms and gender roles that limited women's participation in public life and certain professions. As Freemasonry evolved from these guilds into a more modern fraternal organization, the tradition of male exclusivity persisted. Freemasonry's rituals, symbols, and degrees were designed with male members in mind, and the organization has maintained this structure throughout its history.
In more traditional Freemasonry there is a women's organization - the Order of the Eastern Star as well as a young women's organization Job's Daughters. Outside of more traditional Freemasonry also exists Co-Masonry which allows women to join blue Lodges but affiliation with Co-Masonic Lodges is expressly forbidden in most Masonic jurisdictions by their respective Grand Lodges.
@@RyanMercer hey, thanks for getting back to me.
I find it truly interesting, as I got to googling what the masons actually do out of curiosity, when I stumbled across this video. I too was baptised a Mormon, however, stopped practising in my teens. But my Auntie's family are good Mormons & lovely people. We live in England, but my cousin actually got married to a LDS in Idaho, where she now lives.
So, I understand it's a little to do with tradition, and how it was more practical for 'gender roles' to be assigned historically, as with the LDS Priesthood.
Since you informed me, I've had a google of the Order of the Eastern Star here in the UK.
They are split into 2 groups, and combined are 4,000 strong, as opposed to the male UK masons, at 200,000+. The men's group seem to have a lot of influence within society, but the women tend to be more of a ritualistic, social gathering, with no 'special favours/cronyism' involved, i.e benefits for female masons from their fellows, in wider society.
Tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree here, but the male sect have always had a lot of power right? Hence them self-referring, or being referred to as, the 'New World Order?'
Considering the way that gender roles have dissolved in the western world, and as such, women now have virtually equal obligations, to work and to govern, as men nowadays; do you think, as an individual/mason (but not as a Mormon, as I know that'd be a more difficult question), that the male masons should begin allowing women to join their group, and to share in the secrets, and benefits, of male masonry, to at least an increased, if not complete degree?
@@hannahglendinning8245
Everything that Ryan has written here is on-point.
I would add that there do exist female-only Grand Lodges, although they are far fewer than the male-only and the co-ed organizations. The best-known ones are the Order of Women Freemasons (OWF) and the Honourable Fraternity of Antient Freemasons (HFAF); both of these are based in England and have a great relationship with the male-only United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE).
I do think that it is important that male-only Masonry remain male-only, just for the simple fact that sometimes men need a place to be men together. I would encourage the continued existence and the growth of female-only Freemasonry for the equivalent benefit. And, if one wants to be in a group of Freemasons that admits both males and females, then I would recommend joining one of the organizations that are already built for that purpose.
yes, masons would have you believe masontre is nothing but a group
of fairies tip toeing around waving their wands sprinkling fairy dust
hither and yon, nothing evil about that! whats all the fuss...........
No Bible-believing Christian would ever become a Mason.
This No True Scotsman fallacy is only used by those who have poor or non-existent understandings of Freemasonry. Most Freemasons are faithful Christians.
@@latter-daytemplar7156 Impossible my friend. But when you say, "Christians" are you referring to those in your church or mine? Because we clearly aren't the same.
@@heir_to_the_promise
When I say "Christians," I refer to those who strive to follow Christ as His disciples, whether in my church or in yours.
@@latter-daytemplar7156 Mormons and Masons also like to use it to discredit apostates. All secretive, creepy and gross. Not to be trusted.
@@leahrivera3859
Source?
Mason……… very evil
Those who think that Masonry is evil have a very poor understanding of Masonry and/or of evil.
Not true. Most masons dont know what their membership really serves until 33rd degree
@@dellaswanson9837
As I explained in the interview, Freemasonry in and of itself is only composed of three degrees, which I will list here:
1. Entered Apprentice
2. Fellowcraft
3. Master Mason
There are groups appendant/concordant to Freemasonry that are open to Master Masons and that have their own degrees, but such degrees are only relevant to their respective groups and have no bearing on Freemasonry itself.
One such group is the Scottish Rite, which is the one that you're likely referencing (as it offers its own 4° through 32° and has an honorary 33° title); however, like any other appendant/concordant group, these degrees have no relevance or bearing on Freemasonry itself.
That all clarified, Freemasonry and its appendant/concordant bodies serve our communities; that's it. If you disagree, then you are more than welcome to cite any primary, authoritative source in-context. Otherwise, I would exhort you not to gossip, as such is a form of bearing false witness against your neighbor.
@@BrandonCole_edohi in the third rank, one service that they need to do is lay in a coffin and wait until someone pulls them back up in some way with their hand. It is utter darkness. They are lies coated with good food after the meetings. Jesus teaches us that He does not want anyone to make and swear oaths to anyone or even to our own heads.
@@BrandonCole_edohi Jesus is real and He is against the "illuminating" creator using darkness and light together as order out of chaos that freemasons serve. That is the devil and i am in no way gossiping. I am warning those whose ears are able to hear and whose eyes are able to see and understand.
Become unveiled now so that you are no longer blind in the darkness my fellow internet commentator
It's the mark of the beast.
Incorrect.
@@BrandonCole_edohi since you think you know what it is, let's hear your theory.
@@lovelyday8280
"[…] since you think you know what it is, let's hear your theory."
I never claimed to know what it is, as the precise meaning of the mark has not been revealed; however, it's easy to identify what it's not.
There is no logical reason whatsoever to call Freemasonry "the mark of the beast" when Freemasonry is literally a civic fraternity that promotes moral self-improvement, personal integrity, and service to others. Otherwise we'd have to lump in literally every other charitable group, which would equally make no sense in any way, shape, or form.
These are just kids who played dungeons and dragons as kids. Waste of time but we all waste time in some way or another.
I was interested because the Prophet was one.
The false one yeah
So what do you believe in?
yep it's where he got his ideas from. He stole them and then added his own twists.
Smith saw God? No mortal could look at God nor has any prophet before
Certainly not without God allowing it, but there are times He has allowed it, like in the experience of Joseph Smith, Stephen from the Bible, and others.
Secret combinations says what
I thought that I answered this, but I'm not seeing my reply.
The Church provides the following definition for "secret combination":
"An organization of people bound together by oaths to carry out the evil purposes of the group."
Freemasonry does not have any evil purposes, so it therefore does not qualify as a secret combination insofar as defined by the Church.
Glad Mormons are openly coming out
Really? Most of us wish they would shut up and go away.
@@leahrivera3859
"Really? Most of us wish they would shut up and go away."
Said Leah in the comments section of a pro-Latter-day Saint channel that she herself was visiting.
Wow everything but the truth
Wholly incorrect.
@@BrandonCole_edohi time to wake up man Mormonism is just under the umbrella of freemasonry maybe you should really look into what lies at the heart of freemasonry and you would then know also the truth about Mormonism
@@williamm402
What better way to "really look into what lies at the heart of [Freemasonry]" than to obtain firsthand knowledge/experience concerning its regulations, by-laws, and ritual? These are far better (as primary, authoritative sources in-context) than the secondary/tertiary opinion-pieces, gossip, and rumor that many invalidly substitute for truth.
You are, of course, more than welcome to cite any legitimate grand lodge's ritual, regulations, by-laws, etc. to support your claim here, especially given that Freemasonry, as a secular organization, does not concern itself with religions, contrary to the image that you are painting here concerning the Church being "under the umbrella of [Freemasonry]"; that doesn't even make sense, given that Freemasonry is completely decentralized (what, with each grand lodge jurisdiction being wholly sovereign and independent).
@@BrandonCole_edohi I have done my research my brother and I know the truth I hope that someday you too will have your eyes opened the why mine have been my hopes and prayers are that the lord will speak to your heart and guide you through all the lies and mistruths
@@williamm402
Gossip is not a valid metric for truth, my friend. My eyes have been opened via firsthand knowledge/experience, which you clearly do not have concerning this particular issue.
EVIL
Only according to those who have a poor-to-non-existent understanding of Freemasonry and/or of evil.
IT's cultish. @@BrandonCole_edohi
Good news, Jesus freed us from the law of tithing and 2 Cor 9:7 clearly says that tithing isn’t compulsory.
In the early days of the restored Church, members were actually under the Law of Consecration. However, they proved not to be ready for this law, so the Law of Tithing was reinstituted (Doctrine & Covenants 119).
@@latter-daytemplar7156 it’s ethically wrong to be expected to tithe to a religious body who exploits the tithes by investing it through a shell company Ensign Investment Advisors, who should be using the money for non profit means; however, since 97” not a single red cent has been used for anything other than paying the general authorities, covering their homes, estates, travel expenses, and for profit ventures. Over which time it’s amassed 100 billion +
@@latter-daytemplar7156 charity starts at home, and god doesn’t need the money as far as the LDS is concerned.
@@j.bmillennial3988
Modest stipends for general authorities come from investments. Tithing goes towards maintaining the Church properties used for worship and those used for education.
God doesn't need money, I agree. However, we certainly need the money in order to fund our missionary programs, genealogical programs, humanitarian services, and so on; I recommend looking up the parable of the talents.
@@latter-daytemplar7156 🤣🤣🤣 I researched where the money for the investments comes from and it most certainly comes from tithings. Ensign Peak Advisors has built up a portfolio of over 100 billion exclusively from tithes, as a support 501c3 organization, and it hasn’t used a single penny of those funds for a non profit activity as it is legally obligated. Which is why it’s being sued for fraud, and why the church is working so hard to keep it under wraps.
FREE MASON BLOOD SACRIFICES
Freemasonry does not have blood sacrifices.
@@BrandonCole_edohi That's what all free masons say.
@33rd Grand Inspector General
Good. It'd be both weird and disappointing if they decided to tell lies to the contrary.
Mazda, jachin, boaz, mahabayna, googley goo who. Pig pen.