Dalek Guns in The Mandalorian EXPLAINED and Other Dr Who Stuff in Star Wars
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Episode 1 of the Mandalorian has a moment which will stop a Doctor Who fan in their tracks ... if they happen to have an encyclopedic knowledge of Dalek weaponry. In this episode we look at a few of the times that the Star Wars and Doctor Who universes overlapped.
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Whoops! I managed to leave the wrong Blakes 7 episode title in the script, even though I had to find the correct episode to source the clip! It was of course Dawn of the Gods!
Yes of course 😐
Lots of fun - thanks for the video
I really hope you see this, the maker of the props has posted on Facebook , you should ask him!!! It's in the replica prop forum on Facebook, the makers name is Ronnie riggs! this video has been added to his post, so hopefully he should see it!!
Dalek 63•88 original pondo gun in private collection. One in mando newly made prop.
Dave Filoni: Makes another of Yoda’s species
George Lucas: No
Filoni: References Life Day
George: Stop
Filoni: References Life Day again
George: Please
Filoni: Includes the blaster with the Doctor Who prop on it
George: Why
MisterTwister George was on set for the final battle of this ep. He taught filloni everything and sees him as a son.
Not: Funny
Unoriginal: Joke Format
End: life
@@BurnBot_TV
I’ll be sure to make my next joke at your standard, sweetie
@@mistertwister2000 heh, just a friendly game of sarcastiball.
George Lucas recycled a bunch of Doctor Who props for Star Wars
Another story like this:
In the James Bond film ‘Live and Let Die’, Bond (as played by Roger Moore) was supplied with a communicator device disguised as a clothes brush. Roger Moore took the prop after filming wrapped. Later, while having lunch at BBC TV Centre - he noticed a notice from the ‘Doctor Who’ prop people looking for props, and decided to donate the brush/communicator. However, the props man didn’t recognise Moore, so paid him a few shillings for it. It then went on to appear in ‘Revenge of the Cybermen’.
Also it’s totally canon that it’s the same brush, BTW, James Bond and Doctor Who take place in the same universe, confirmed! Ergo, James Bond is a Time Lord QED.
And Timothy Dalton/ Bond no 4 took on the 10th Doctor in his final 2 part story in 2009/2010.
Or by the time Kelman gets hold of it, it's a very old brush
DOCTOR WHO, STAR WARS AND BLAKE 7 ARE IN THE SAME UNIVERSE TOTALLY CONFIRMED.
The Daleks were originally supposed to be the invaders at the end of series 2.
@@kevinshort3943 That fleet of old pots and pans :D
@@JohnCollins
It didn't happen, hence the use of the words "originally" and "supposed" .
I belive it was all the old BBC models from B7 and Dr Who they blew up.
@Norm T
Well the Nation estate got fed up with B7 media stringing them along, and Big Finish have the rights now.
Be careful what you wish for, the SyFy/Sky reboot sounded terrible, and highly Americanised.
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy too... after all they were first to be canonically linked to Who, as the 4th Doctor read a passage by Oolon Colluphid in "Destiny of the Daleks"
Makes ya wonder:
What would a conversation between Palpatine and Davros be like?
Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but extra fun fact, another part of the Derwent 8 engine made the emitter of the original Obi Wan light saber. I live a couple of miles from where the engine was designed and originally manufactured, the derwent the engine is named after being the river that runs through my city.
I love the idea of Star Wars and Doctor Who co-existing. A lot of the Doctor Who monsters would fit right at home... minus some of the timey wimey stuff.
Doctor Who ,Star Wars and Blake's 7 all in one video I need to lie down 😵
I know what you mean. Mind blown.
I love stories like this! Here’s another you might find interesting:
A wall-mounted communication device from the film ‘Alien’ later appeared on Marvin’s chest in the TV version of ‘The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy’.
And then:
A badge from THHGTTG on the hats worn by the Golgafrinchans in Episode 6 was later added to Rimmer’s costume in ‘Red Dwarf’ (albeit upside down).
And then:
In the RD episode ‘Psirens’, one of the doomed ships seen in the asteroid graveyard is the Narcissus, the escape pod from ‘Alien’.
It all comes full circle!
Don't forget the Cybermen time bomb 'Earthshock' is the self destruct from the Nostromo. While the lower deck sets from that ship were redressed into the prison Davros was held in for a while.
A more deliberate one is the the Star Trek:DS9 episode 'Prodigal Daughter' while in a mine crates in the background labelled JMC are visible.
It's not surprising that props from one production made in Britain would show up in another production made in Britain. If there's one thing you must be during production, whether it's TV, movie, or any such, it's frugal. The money can only stretch so far.
@@doktor_ghul The absolute lords of frugality were the ITC sets and props department. Randall and Hopkirk (deceased) was their crowning achievement with half the episodes featuring the same staircase and balcony redecorated to represent everything from country houses to West End theatres.
Wow! What a bit of research. Again!
And holy crap, Bossk's suit was probably once worn by Zoe? Gasp. Thanks for this and all your other detectively pieces too!
Well I never
Someone has got a sharp eye
Well done
bugger me side ways, these videos NEVER fail to impress.
I usually say : 'Well blow me, and I wish someone would', but I guess 'Bugger me sideways has a similar ring to it, although being blown is probably better.
@@Nige031077 Perhaps you could try the Mrs Doyle approach instead? ^oo^ ruclips.net/video/XLTnacYvvg4/видео.html
Imagine a Mandalorian saying exterminate. Or the Doctor saying 'I have a bad feeling about this'.
Finally, a DW/SW crossover.
Thanks for the heads up on the date! Glad someone was paying attention! I've snipped it out! :D
@@Dalek6388 You're welcome! Always glad to help out! :)
Bit of a random fact but apparently there was a planned crossover between Star Trek Enterprise and New Who at one point
@@Dalek6388 In the 2nd episode with the 10th Doctor's companion Martha Jones he says "they would need a psychic generator the size of a Tauntaun." This solidified the theory of them existing in the same universe for me.
Mario Perez maybe, but it was likely just a reference to her knowing the movies. Sadly
i love the idea of daleks training with TARDIS props and targets
Stormtroopers: dang, why can’t we hit something? Our aim is terrible!
Daleks: step aside ladies.
Stormtroopers: we need some of dat gud stuff
*Necros Daleks enter*
*Proceed to miss a stationary target 5 metres away*
Daleks and Stormtroopers seem to have about equal aim. Take that as you will
"And these blast points, too accurate for Ice Warriors... Only the Daleks of Skaro are so precise."
The top half of Jabba the Hutt's hookah turns up sprayed all gold, and glued to a wall in The Twin Dilemma. You can see it in the background behind Colin Baker as he confronts that other galactic slug, Mestor.
Those DL21 blasters were also used in Return of the Jedi by the Imperial Navy Troopers (Star Destroyer troopers). Its a case of pausing the Blu-Ray at the right moment, but it's definitely the exact same model prop seen in the Mandalorian there. There's some production stills of navy troopers in a costuming fitting carrying them, floating around the web somewhere. I know this as members of UK Garrison/501st legion carry them.
Nothing Dalek gets past the eye stalks of these guys! Brilliant as always. Plus the narrator could read the phone book and make it a best seller!
Your eye for detail never ceases to amaze! Well done, as per usual!
"a miniature TARDIS which they have inexplicably lying around"
Earlier:
"KNOCK BE-FORE YOU EN-TER! DID YOU SEE AN-YTHING?"
"NO, I DID NOT SEE YOU PLAY-ING WITH YOUR DOLLS A-GAIN!"
Gosh-Daleks supplying arms to the Empire.
As much as I love the Galactic Empire, a Dalek supplying anything to the Galactic Empire of Star Wars, would be like the Forerunners from HALO supplying something to the UNSC. It's just apples and oranges. After all, a single DW TARDIS alone is basically a moving Type II K-civilisation in effective technological power and achievement, just by itself.
1 Dalek let loose on a Star Destroyer and before long everyone who couldn't escape would be dead. Even if they self-destructed the entire ship by setting off the hypermatter reactor cores, which would create a big explosion no doubt, the little bugger would just sit there and raise shields to find itself floating around in space unharmed.
If the Empire had 1 Dalek they might have won the Galactic Civil War literally no joke.
@@ThePalaeontologist Well to be honest, it'd be possibility for a dalek to whipe out entire star destroeyer. After all, they them selves said that 5,000,000 cyberman are no match for 1 dalek. But on the other hand, we've seen daleks beeing destroyed by blaster fire before (In some cases even by weaker sutuff).
I think if one dalek would be deployed on imperial star destroyer, yes there'd be large number of casualties, but it'd be destroyed after some time. Maybe the dalek it self would survive, retreat and changed tactic. But I doubt his casing would survive.
@@tigrovica8417 Oh I know, I'm aware of all that. I totally had that in mind when thinking of it.
There are over 9,700 Stormtroopers on an Imperial II-class Star Destroyer. Besides them, there are 9,200 Officers and 27,850 enlisted crew of varying titles and ranks.
46,750 in total. Probably give some room for a few hundred more if there are guests on board (whether they be other imperials or even evacuees from the front-lines)
1 Dalek landing in the hangar bays would be faced with a barrage of blaster fire from not only infantry but maybe even TIE fighters having a go too, in the chaos of the situation.
But the Dalek's shields are going to be assumed to be powered up (and the Dalek fully powered up too, just as we assumed the crew and trooper complement of the ISD is at full capacity)
Within minutes, Imperial casualties would be climbing fast.
The Dalek wouldn't be interested in a firefight with infantry, but going to the bridge to destroy the command and control of the ship and to cut the head off the snake so to speak.
However, it'd have to fight it's way there. And it would. I'm afraid there'd be very little stopping it from slowly but surely mowing it's way through the corridors. Remember what 1 Dalek represented in the Doctor's own viewpoint in 2005's ''Dalek'' episode?
That is, being an extinction level threat to 21st century humanity.
Now, it is all very well pointing out that the Dalek might have it's shields worn down over time, but we have to remember that it would very likely be able to leech power from the ship anyway. For instance, if the Dalek got to the reactor rooms, it'd be very easy for it to just nab some of the power supply and then carry on it's merry way.
Part of the problem the crew would face is not being able to concentrate their own firepower on the target, because of being spread out around the ship.
Corridors act as choke-points, yes, and there'd be many choke-points to clear (i.e. kill it's way through) to get to the bridge. But you know, if there is one thing a LGTW era Dalek is good at, it's going on a killing spree. Plus, the corridors themselves are ironically going to be making it more of a bottleneck for the Imperials themselves, not the other way round.
Against *normal* opposition, the corridors and confined spaces make it easily defensible and good for defending in a shootout and firefight. But Daleks are never ''normal'' opposition.1 Dalek slowly but surely shooting it's way through wave after wave of crew and troopers, will be losing energy. A smarter thing for the Dalek to do is to fight it's way to the reactor rooms (not the bridge) to a) recharge it's own shields if necessary b) threaten to implode the entire ship. Again, being at full power at the beginning of the scenario, I think it'd tank any number of small arms blaster fire shots and continue to reduce the crew complement down to size.
It'd take a long time, for sure. But one by one they'd fall.
Also remember in the episode, ''Dalek'', that Daleks think outside the box and can kill many soldiers with 1 shot by using the surrounding features (in that episode's case, the anti-fire water sprinklers) to it's advantage. Once the floor was wet, it fired at the floor and the energy of the attack killed everyone. They always maximise their killing potential and I'm sure it'd be fine heading towards either the bridge or the reactor rooms (or both)
And as I said; if it fired on the reactors then goodbye Star Destroyer entirely. Odds are, it'd survive that, too.
@@ThePalaeontologist gee, I simply chalked it down that the Dalek would win because none of the troopers can aim! But you clearly thought this out way more than I had XD
@@CloudWalkBeta :P the thing people don't tend to realise about Daleks is that they are not just killing-machines, but disarmingly deceptive and dangerous killing-machines.
For instance, theoretically speaking in broad principles, the design theory of both Daleks and Cybermen (while differing in terms of ''perception of elegance''; Cybermen brainwashing themselves into believing that their, ''upgrades'' are ''elegant'', so the more upgraded they get the more elegant they are - which isn't something Daleks care about at all) are still generally quite similar.
On the face of it, why should we fear the Daleks more than the Cybermen? Both tend to seek the same goals. But the problem with Daleks is, they are in a league of their own.
They reached such a point that a single Dalek could quite easily (though it would take a while) purge an entire planet by itself if insufficiently defended.
Daleks are monsters among monsters. They wiped the floor with the Cybermen whenever they met. Just on a different level.
1 Dalek of the Last Great Time War, (in 2005's ''Dalek'' episode) was considered by the Doctor, as a literal extinction level threat to the entire planet Earth.
They are terrifying, though can be underestimated due to how they look.
Daleks VS Stormtroopers is grotesquely one-sided.
The huge level of research and scrutiny in your videos makes my head hurt. Astonishing stuff, well done! 😊👍
Thank you!
DTTD was one of the first Dalek stories I ever saw, as I bought the edited BBC video version in the late '80's ('87 I think), and I saw the Star Wars Trilogy during Xmas 1989. It's brilliant to find that the two are connected. Great upload.
The gun seen in the Mandalorian is made from the AR7 .22 survival rifle as was Ponda Baba's. In the 70's that firearm was made by Charter Arms but is now still made but by Henry Repeating Arms Co. I think we need a video = Every Gun Ever. :D
Good eyes. For a short time, Charter Arms actually made a pistol based on the AR-7 called the 'Explorer II'. This is what was probably what the handgun versions of the gun were based on. The pistol already has a futuristic sort of look to it, so I'm sure it lended itself to being used as a prop for sci-fi settings.
Clinching proof that, a long time ago, the Daleks traveled to a galaxy far far away
Well they do have time travel technology
Such a fantastic series. So happy you decided to create these videos, and had much fun creating the magazine covers for each of them. Keep them coming.
Glad you enjoy it and thank you for doing those covers! They really are great! 🙂
Your research and attention to detail never fails to amaze me. Well done again!
Thank you Peter!
Another superbly researched and revealing episode. Fascinating, well produced... and very much appreciated.
Thank you.
Our pleasure!
It's funny, because a few weeks back, I commented on a video made by 'PB Props' (He makes beautiful TARDIS models and Doctor Who props), when he made a Tatooine building for 3.75" scale Star Wars figures. Amongst the figures displayed with the finished model, was a 3.75" Cyberman, to which I commented something on the lines of: "I didn't realise that the Cybermen had got that far."
I think that the blue flight suit, is the one worn by the character Bo' Shek, who's the bloke who 'introduces' Obi-Wan Kenobi to Chewbacca, in the Cantina.
Great video, as always. Nice one.
Dear god! That’s just insane... not only the facts but the speed you spot this stuff. 😁
Great as always! I must send this to my colleague David, who made The Galaxy Britain Built for BBC Four about all this sort of Star Wars stuff!
This isn't the first Doctor Who and Star Wars merged in a sense, there's also a bit in series 9 in the episode Face the Raven where there's a reference to Back to the Future and has written words on a poster which has a language from Star Wars
IIRC part of Obi Wan’s lightsaber was recycled from a WW2 gun that was also used In Dalek construction.
Fun fact Jon Pertwee’s uncredited cameo in ‘Carry on Loving’ sees him pass Sid James near a Chinese takeaway called Obi Won.
@4:23 _(and the similar item in the Madalorian weapon locker)_
That appears to be (a resin or rubber? cast of) an AR7 'Explorer'.22 Survival rifle/pistol with an early model L2A3 (Sterling) SMG *pistol grip* jury-rigged onto it, plus a few assorted kit-bashed parts added for 'futuristic' effect.
The prop pictured ( @4:23) is likely a rubber 'stunt cast' of another prop (possibly even the 'real' one seen in the Mandalorian Weapon locker?) that was constructed from genuine parts from real world firearms. As you no doubt know, rubber casts were used by stunt doubles during stunts to reduce injury and to avoid damaging props whenever the script requires the cast to throw them around or otherwise abuse them.
Compare and contrast : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Charter_Arms_Explorer_II_pistol.jpg
Plus (a cast? of) *the pistol grip* from -an E11 Imperial blaster rifle- a British Sterling SMG (note the distinctive circular safety/fire selector marking on the grip): upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Sterling_SMG2.JPG
Wow!!! I've said it before and no doubt will again - your attention to scrutinise detail is phenomenal. Absolutely 1st class. I've watched many youtube videos that don't really tell you anything new but try and make out it is. However the details you pick out are awesome. Please keep up the good work!! 👍
Thank you for those kind words!
The quality of the videos on this channel are astounding. Amazing research.
Thank you!
Star Wars took place in the distant past, Doctor Who basically time travels...so possible that the Mando got his weapons from a species that was later conqured by the Daleks?
Let’s see a Dalek take on IG-11! My money’s on Skaro’s finest
Depends if its a TV series dalek as their aim is absolutely pants. Especially when you see the IG droids kick ass in the clone wars series.
Depending on which Daleks we're talking about it could go a number of ways. If it's anything approaching the typically extremely powerful Daleks at their height of power (prior to Moffat and Gatiss's go-go power ranger Dalek shenanigans) in their Last Great Time War era bronze design, then it would not be very much of a competition.
IG-11 would fire wildly at the Dalek, which might have a little scoring on the armour if it didn't have it's shields up at all (any of it's shields) Then it'd raise shields and tank basically everything (note: it doesn't even need to raise shields to be perfectly safe from SW galaxy blasters)
Then it'd upgrade it's shields continuously, assess the situation, and probably just obliterate the thing in one hugely powerful blast (Daleks normally sadistically lower the power of their gunsticks to basically make organic e.g. humanoid, sentient, targets, suffer the most pain before dying when hit) IG-11 being a droid would be quickly understood by the Dalek and so it wouldn't bother with the torture tactics and it'd just fire at full power.
Within seconds it'd be over; Dalek wins, IG-11 vaporised.
I know I'll have a good day when Dalek 63•88 uploads a video!
Reminds me of how the third doctor’s sonic screwdriver was originally a prop from thunderbirds.
now we should try to find the casing of a dalek in the Mandalorian series
Have you spotted the 2001 thruster backpack used as set dressing in "The Mutants"? (also in B7 "Space Fall")
Bit of a weird question but I don’t suppose you have any information about the daleks used in the looney toons back in action film ?
Nothing at all I’m afraid. As they were made for anything connected to the show we haven’t really looked into them.
The detail in these videos blow me away, great stuff.
Amazing! I would have never guessed! So obvious when looking at it directly compared! Thanks for sharing.
The emperor does look a bit like Davros?
As Star Wars was filmed in the UK they were very frugal. Author Robert Rankin was the person who bought the white glasses, Luke drinks from in the Cantina, from a London market. Freddie Mercury still owes him a fiver as well...
I am in awe of your observational skills!
Imagine a Doctor Who and Star wars crossover, Daleks vs everyone else.
Defeating them could be impossible, Jedi/Sith/other force users or not. The Daleks are just too dangerous. If the Time Lords couldn't stop them properly, not sure even the united SW galaxy could. Entire fleets and star systems would be lost in the opening phase of the war as the Daleks go on the offensive. The wildly varied combat environments, species and factions in the vast Outer Rim alone will put the Daleks in a variety of interesting battles.
They will find some really unique setbacks in some sectors of the galaxy; but perhaps not decisively. Just things which slow them down.
Depending on how many units we're giving the Daleks in any given scenario, the situation could either be very, very bad or very, very, very bad. In any case, bad.
When the Dalek Empire closed in on Gallifrey, they numbered over 10 billion if I remember correctly. 10 Daleks showing up anywhere in the SW galaxy would be a terrible predicament for anyone encountering them; let alone 10 billion. Before Coruscant, Chandrila and other capital worlds could even begin to organise effective responses to what is going on, billions across the Outer Rim could already be dead.
I'm not sure any amount of planning or heroics would stop 10 billion Daleks. It is s bit overkill to say the least. Most systems would struggle to stop *one* rampaging Dalek. Lone Daleks appearing to attack isolated settlements and defended installations, would be very likely.
Grimly enough, in many cases, that would suffice.
If this is set in the context of the Galactic Civil War/Imperial era then, the local Moffs (joined by rebel groups and criminal factions too, as well as literally thousands of local planetary defence forces) will face critical pressure to hold off Dalek invasions.
Arrogant Moffs may initially feed garrisons into already-hopeless-lost-causes, ignorant of the power of the Daleks, while the non-Imperial commanders will also make grave errors in their attempts to defend against and counter the Daleks. Entire legions, systems armies, sector armies and battle fleets will be lost in a matter of days.
Military, paramilitary, mercenary and civilian armed resistance will slow up the Daleks as they advance into the galaxy. Key systems, fortified bases and strategically vital worlds, will be viciously defended by the Empire especially - however, Imperial losses will be tragic. For the most part, their ground units will merely be slowing the Daleks down by dying a little more slowly than less organised defenders. Any attempt to use Imperial special forces like Imperial Commandos and Imperial Shadowtroopers, Imperial Deathtroopers and Palpatine's Royal Guard, will end with predictable results; the Daleks are just too clever for that and would not be impeded for long by any amount of cunning on the part of the Imperial High Command.
Grand Admiral Thrawn, Admiral Garrick Versio, Grand Admiral Rae Sloane, Admiral Firmus Piett and Admiral Gllad Pellaeon, will be pivotal Imperial figureheads at the head of the (increasingly) overburdened and beleaguered Imperial Navy. Their efforts will stop some of the more obvious oversights and losses, however, in general, most Imperial governors, Moffs, Generals and ship Captains, would not be competent enough to counter the Dalek scourge effectively. Without doubt, many systems would be ravaged long before the scale of the nightmare was realised.
Though with some skilled leaders, the Imperial forces would face defeat after defeat after defeat. Lone Daleks would run rampant in cities across the galaxy.
Nothing short of firing the combined arsenals of entire planets at a single Dalek would do (or being accurate enough to hit them with a superlaser blast like Director Krennic was in Rogue One)
Suffice it to say that, short of a miracle (**cue the force wills it being wheeled out to excuse said miracle defying reason**) the Star Wars galaxy is up the proverbial creek without a paddle. Even were the Daleks to only disperse 1/10th of their numbers into solo attacks on individual systems, that would mean a billion Daleks had dispersed to attack a billion planets.
The main systems of interest (10,000 plus key systems) were under the Empire. Several thousand others were under other factions. Hundreds of thousands more well-known or scarcely populated planets were around too. But that'd still leave more than enough room for the Daleks to comfortably sit back and watch as their scouting forces alone practically devastate the entire galaxy.
The Jedi and Sith, for their part (and the Nightsisters, Grey Jedi and others etc) will be fighting a losing battle of their own to stop the Daleks at their source. Palpatine would quickly understand the true horror of the Daleks and perceive them as not only a threat to his Empire, but the Sith Order itself. As such, strangely enough Palpatine would be extremely cooperative with the non-Imperials and see such alliances as a means to an end. He'd know that they'd be lucky to survive as it was united, let alone, divided. His powers would certainly bring some Daleks out of the fight, that is for sure. Palpatine could literally make a thousand Daleks around him go splat from inside their armour, using the force.
The Jedi could also be pretty devastating in single combat against the Dalek combat drones. However, it won't take long for Dalek shielding upgrades to stop their lightsabers and after that the opportunity to force crush the Dalek within would be one of the only means of defeating them with the force.
I'm sure the Witches/Nightsisters of Dathomir would come up with a whole range of messed up ways of give the Daleks a bad day, getting under the armour of the Daleks.
Ironically, a key to stopping the Daleks might be found in the Sith or Nightsisters.
Ancient Sith Alchemy and rituals, could change the nature of the game.
However, this does assume that the Daleks are able to be harmed by the force. Being ''not of this galaxy'', the Daleks might be immune to it. If so, God help the SW galaxy in such case.
To defeat the Daleks by conventional warfare? It's almost impossible, if not impossible.
Trillions if not quadrillions of armed beings will fight the Dalek Empire's invasion - outnumbering the attacking Daleks heavily. But this will mean little once the Daleks begin to enslave entire sectors and churn out slave soldier armies by the billions.
Yet, even without cannon-fodder slave armies, the Daleks numbering some 10 billion would already be more than enough to end all life in the SW galaxy.
In Doctor Who, the Doctor legitimately believed that a single (Last Great Time War era survivor) Dalek, in the episode, ''Dalek'', was an extinction level threat for 21st century Earth. Just one.
Now, a lot of planets in the SW galaxy, though possessing of standards of technology far higher than our planet in the real world, will casual FTL travel and laser cannons being treated like casual nothing special weapons etc But stll - the reality of the situation is that many planets would be in comparable or even worse shape when put up against even solitary Dalek drones.
This would mean a massive evacuation effort would be undertaken as the fighting continued. As Dalek assaults overran massive swathes of the galaxy at an alarming rate, the SW factions would get more and more desperate to hold the line as the numbers of evacuees/refugees increased exponentially. The death toll would be hitting the hundreds of trillions by the end of the first few months of the war.
Titanic battles the likes of which not even the Clone Wars or Galactic Civil War had to show, would draw in massive numbers of military assets and equipment, which if lost in defeat, would be extremely difficult to replace. For example; the Imperial Navy would have shattering losses if it were not utilised wisely. Though other space forces e.g. planetary defence forces (e.g. Naboo, Umbara, Geonosis etc) would contribute to the fightback, the Rebel Alliance fleets would themselves as the second largest around, be vastly overshadowed by the sheer numbers of the Imperial Navy - yet the point in explaining that, is to demonstrate how much the galaxy would rely on the *Empire to shoulder the majority of the burden* in the war.
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[2/2] Seeing the Galactic Empire fighting side by side with the Rebels and other factions, is fascinating of course, though realistically frictions between them would be intense, all the time.
Palpatine would probably find it impossibly hard not to use the opportunity to betray them in some way. The attrition rate on the Daleks would be low, barring the potential for force users to achieve some wider goal, in going after the leadership. If the Dalek Emperor is taken down, it might cause a problem for the Daleks - but we know that the Dalek command structure and special groups above the jurisdiction of the usual command structure, e.g. the Cult of Skarro, would be able to quickly float into the power vacuum if the nominal leadership was somehow eliminated.
Imagine if Palpatine was crafty enough to just trick the Daleks into holding talks. All he'd need to do is get to *look* at the Dalek Emperor on-screen, and with that visualisation and force connection (again, assuming the Daleks can be adversely affected by the force) he'd be able to use the force to kill it. If nothing else, it'd be a massive morale boost for the Empire especially if their Emperor literally took out the Dalek Emperor in a video call lol
(however, there might be some tricky questions being asked about Palpatine's true nature, because most Imperial citizens had zero idea he was a Sith Lord - or even what a Sith Lord is)
Basically, the Empire is able to hit back, but it is dangerously likely they become overwhelmed and even while augmented by dozens of cooperating factions e.g. Hutts, Black Sun, Pykes, Mandalorians/+Deathwatch, Umbarans, Geonosians (ignoring the fact the Empire enslaved and tried to genocide the Geonosians on their world in pretty iffy newer canon as of SW Rebels and newer Vader comics), Nightsisters, Rebels, previously neutral factions and more etc, they'd collectively still struggle to survive the onslaught.
Han Solo, Lando Carlrissian, Luke Skywalker and several other key non-Imperials, would help give the Imperials more of an edge and new approaches could be adopted by the Imperial military as a result of the cooperation keeping things proactive and dynamic. Most ''bad'' Imperials would be phased out by the very events of the war (they wouldn't really last long against the Daleks) This would harden the shrinking Empire as it fought back.
If the Daleks began to get lured into ambushes and tempted into going after deliberately indicated target systems (e.g. lets say they leave Coruscant with a deliberately lighter garrison and thinned out defence fleet, that could lure the Daleks in to conquer the capital but then to realise it was a trap), then that could help destroy more of the Dalek invaders.
But again, taking out 10 billion of them is a tall order. Lets say a million Daleks are busy executing a cruel conquest of a supposedly strategically vital stronghold world, and then the Death Star I or II comes along; maybe a superlaser blast ripping through them and blowing up the planet would bag the SW galaxy a million Dalek kills (at the cost of a planet and millions if not billions of their own lives to get into a position to do it)
Space battles could be bloodily one sided affairs if the Daleks get used to boarding and swarming the capital ships. Imperial Star Dreadnaughts/Super Star Destroyers, would be key targets for the Daleks.
Fleet numbers need to remain over a certain number or else the war really is lost.
I could continue at length on the ins and outs of the strategy, but suffice it to say that it is just too much to ask to stop the Dalek Empire.
It's a matter of a cluster of Type I and II K-civilisations united, fighting against what is arguably a Type V in their real technological, temporal and military means.
They had a massive advantage over the defending SW galaxy, technologically.
P.S - this all overlooks the idea of the Daleks one shot'ing the galaxy with the Universe Bomb or
some other scary scheme to destroy all life that isn't them.
Xenophobic, genocidal space pepper-pots = 1.
SW galaxy = 0.
:( I think the sad outcome would be the Daleks winning 100/100 times. Maybe 99/100 at best.
Attrition tactics and strategies won't stop the Daleks. They will attrition and ratio the defenders most times. It's grim.
There is no victory. ''Victory'' against the Daleks would always imply you nearly lost everything to achieve it. Just ask the Doctor.
Deathtoll estimates (mine, off the cuff):
- 600-700 Trillion; SW galaxy (in conventional warfare until the resistance becomes officially futile altogether)
- 1 million to 1 billion; Daleks (massive range I know, but there are many possibilities)
e.g. if the Daleks fight at their best and aren't lured into traps where they could be forced to loose millions in individual battles, their attrition rate would be very low.
On a galactic scale this still gives room for thousands being lost to a whole range of potential problems on a weekly if not daily basis. Galaxies are big places, after all. 10 billion Daleks can easily fit on a small moon. But yeah, defeating 10 billion Daleks is another matter, entirely.
The upper estimates are if the Daleks are hit hard by successful use of repeated and evolving ambush tactics. But to take 10% overall losses is entirely acceptable for the Daleks.
Even if you kill 99% of them the remaining 1 percent is so dangerous, to be left at large, that basically you need to try and purge them entirely (that is the greatest dilemma of all, perhaps - that to stop the Daleks, you basically have to do what they do; see Last Great Time War and the misery the Time Lords, who were easily far more powerful to begin with as well as the greatly more ancient of the two, while also being nominally technologically and culturally superior to the Daleks, found themselves in when facing them)
The Time Lords were amazing at almost everything (including silly costumes) But the Daleks were like that one super nerd who relentlessly strives for maximum achievement in one specialist area (and in the Dalek's case, these were WAR and killing, generally) Therefore, the more holistic, generalist approach and nature of the Time Lords, found itself in trouble when fighting mutant war junkies (which is what Daleks are) who also had a chip on their shoulder about the failed Time Lord attempts *to literally erase the Daleks from the time continuum altogether* lol (kinda understandable - understandable, that is, for both, from both perspectives)
Final Verdict: Dalek victory 99% assured.
''Certainty of death, small chance of success...what are we waiting for'' - Gimli :p
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(but yeah, the SW galaxy would fight bravely, nonetheless; being hilariously technologically outclassed) Sure, it'd be fun if the Daleks got to Mortis and were like, ''WTF'' when they ran into the Father, Son and Daughter (and if Abeloth shows up in the war, well, double the death toll for the Daleks lol)
ThePalaeontologist I mean, Palpatine could potentially impersonate Davros and order the daleks to stop. There’s quite a similarity, he’d just have to make the chair and the eye.
Then the rebels would have no chance against the Empire.
@@aaaa-eb6pi lol :-p
@@ThePalaeontologist how would the daleks beat say, Anakin, for example?
I remember seeing the gaffi stick in that 4th Doctor episode when I was a kid .. I said "wait a minute!!!" being a bit of a SW fan, as who wasn't back then. But the Dalek guns from the earlier episode with Pertwee are just a bit before my time .. props on your great content. No pun intended.
Pretty cool! I already knew that Bossk's suit had come from DW, but really interesting explanation on the weapon design. Thanks for this.
@04:24
That looks to be a (resin cast? of) an 'Armalite AR7 (in pistol format) with (resin cast? of) an old 'Single Point' 1st gen (occluded eye type) 'red dot' sight on top,. It's been 'kit bashed' with a few random model parts and finished off with the pistol grip plates of a Sterling SMG and (as you note) the tail assembly of a small mortar round.
Quite the mix there !
The wrong Blakes 7 title - have you betrayed us, have you betrayed me!
Haha yes! Gav has pinned a correction!
damn if the universes were actually shared that would be awesome
Another fantastic episode, simply fascinating! Thanks!🙂
To me there’s an alternate skaro on the edges of the outer rim. No doctor, just the Daleks and davros.
These episode are seriously a major highlight of my week!!
Glad you enjoy them!
You have solved one of life's little mysteries for me!!! When I bought an action figure of Ponda Baba some ages ago (a decade or two) I noticed his gun end looked eerily similar to the Death to the Daleks gun arm end. Pretty sure I even compared the CO figure to tne Hasbro figure gun and showed a friend, but they didn't understand/care. Now I know I was right and not having a fan boy hallucination!!! Thank you, love these videos!!
Happy to have helped solved that problem!
Awesome...this channel never fails to impress!
Even Blake 7 gets a mention, Cheers for this, I remember and recognise so much, Thanks again :-)
I want an episode of The Mandalorian where a Dalek appears just to get that weapon from Mando
Ahh Thats so cool! this series is just the best keep up the great work! :)
Glad you enjoy it!
Fantastic bud! I already new this but great to see it so lovingly explained
Thank you!
Oh boy, will have a fit when he researches Lazar sound effects...
*DALEK VOICE* Nerd-Lore power level at MAXIMUM!!!
In terms of similar designs showing up elsewhere there's also the 'Earthshock' type Cybermen who wear RAF air-ventilated flying suits - other such suits were used in the Blake's 7 episode 'Traitor' and for the background character Rennek seen in Jabba's Palace in Return of the Jedi.
Also the Clone Wars animated TV series episode 'The Hidden Enemy' was going to feature a domed mine-laying droid called The Beast which may have been partly inspired by the head of a Dalek. However, the design was not used in the finished show.
This one piece of metal was used in two different shows! Therefore it's a crossover!
The Gaffi Sticks also appear in Carry On Up the Jungle (1970). And the IG-88 heads can be seen as equipment by the bar of the Cantina in Star Wars (1977)
All my fave childhood sci-fi in one video!? Why 63.88 with this video you are really spoiling us!
And this is why we love your channel.
And at 4:01, we've got the beginning of a spin-off, "Akira Kurosawa's films have had more influence on Star Wars than George Lucas admits." [The "We're wanted men" followed by a fight and an arm on the ground, clutching a weapon, is from "Yojimbo", for you youngsters who haven't seen it. 🙂 ]
2:43 The extended firearm body is the Beretta machine gun without its wooden stock. Since the Berettas could fire as semi automatics they were used "as is" as the blank firing Dalek weapons.
BRILLIANTLY researched! Thanks so much for this vid.
Consider me astonished once again! I'm a real geek for these types of video's so I'm a happy chappy. 👌🏻👍🏻
Now if they can just sneak a Star Trek prop in there too the canon debate will rage for years!
But Spock is literally mentioned by Rose in the episode The Empty Child, that wouldn't make sense
@@shortangel333 In the crossover comic it's shown that they're parallel universes, so it's still possible for the comic to be canon while in the DW universe ST is a TV series
@@shortangel333 Wouldn't be the first time it worked that way.
Back in the 60's there was an episode of The Green Hornet where the tv show Batman was playing on one of the televisions, then a few months later Green Hornet and Kato showed up in Gotham City.
Early 70's, Reed and Malloy of Adam-12 show up at Rampart Hospital in the pilot episode of Emergency, then a couple seasons later there's an episode of Emergency where the guys at the firehouse are watching the show Adam-12 on their television (as a bonus, Marco Lopez was one of the firefighters watching and the episode they were watching had him playing one of the police officers)
Just a couple years ago, there was an episode of The Big Bang Theory where Penny had landed a small guest role on NCIS (which was cut from the episode). A week or so later on NCIS, two of the agents enter the apartment of a suspect and The Big Bang Theory is playing in the television inside.
I guess the key link is that a lot of production and filming for Star Wars took place in the UK.
Not a prop, but the alert sound on _Tantive IV_ in _A New Hope_ is red alert sound from TOS, played backwards.
I have to admit that design of Dalek gun is my favourite.
More of the same flame tubes can be seen behind the bartender at Mos Eisley Cantina in _A New Hope._
Also, the receiver that barrel is screwed into is from an AR-7 survival rifle, it’s a breakdown .22LR semiauto magazine fed takedown rifle that stores in its own plastic stock and floats when inside the stock
Henry repeating arms is the current manufacturer, but it was originally made by ArmaLite (the AR in the name) the same original manufacturer of the AR-15/M-16
Superb information. Love it. All props find a new home. 😃 Fascinating. 💖
Bridge controls and VDUs from mining spaceship Nostromo from 1979’s ALIEN were reused as part of the ancient controls the Doctor finds in Season 18’s Full Circle. In ‘The Five Doctors’ we also see that the BBC has reused the doors to Timelords conference room that were originally used in the penthouse to Robert Vaughn’s character in Superman III.
Great content, love these deep cuts!
Thank you!
My mind is blown! Great video as always!
This is the kinda stuff I live for.
Thank you for making this. I really enjoy this one
Well researched as usual. Very interesting too 👍
oh my this is actually shocking...never knew this..
and btw...very good eye for detail and good findings of all the truth
Your research and attention to detail is mind boggling. How ever do you find time to even sleep!
That was awesome, real world connection to doctor who. But I have also ALWAYS believed that in story, Doctor Who has encountered at some point in space and time both the Star Wars universe AND the Star Trek universe. The star trek episode that just SCREAMS Doctor Who, was in Star Trek Enterprise where they find a ship that's "From the future" and is LITERALLY "Bigger on the inside". They even state this in the show, Trip says to Malcome "How can it be bigger on the inside then the outside?" before decending down a ladder into the ship. The ship itself even has this sort of early Tardis feel and shape to it. Even the sulaban alien's written language is VERY Gallafraian-esk, as it is a language that is written using circles. There was even a comic book cross over where The 11th Doctor met the crew of the next generations enterprise and the cybermen teamed up with the Borg. So it wouldn't surprise me any what so ever of there more then just a dalek gun in star wars.
This is fantastic finding!
Daleks were also good at unblocking sinks with their rubber arm plunger 😁
Would been cool if they could had Daleks in the Republics meeting hall like they had E.T.! :D
Those were the first ever Daleks I saw on TV as my father was channel-hopping. I must have been three or four and could barely understand what I was seeing. I did not know the 'robots' were evil because of their verbal negotiations with the humans. I also thought these machines were armed with something like crossbows because, first I saw those prongs sliding in and out of the Dalek guns, then later I see them successfully firing projectiles of some kind. I was rather confused, but I'll never forget all those pepper-pots getting burned or thrown into pits by that hostile alien world.
IG88's head also appears on Tatooine in the cantina behind the barman in A New Hope.
That is brilliantly silly! I loved it... More please.
Amazing attention to detail!
I've found a few of those mortor tail fins along the south downs from when they were used as army training ranges back in WW2.... when a farmer ploughed a field you sometimes would find these unearthed in fairly complete condition (minus the explosive bit!). I always thought they looked like a dalek gun!
Dan W dude mate that’s so neat I keep finding casings for aa in the forest near me no clue why
Well thought out presentation! Cheers to you!
Thank You!
0:35 AR-7 receiver with a scope (maybe Weaver) mounted backwards
Now all we need is a official crossover