After playing drums for 10 years and trying to perfectionize the swivel technique, my leading foot started to give up two years ago as it became misaligned/asymmetric. This has resulted in several issues with my right shoulder, right hip, right knee and a misaligned right foot. I can't even run anymore. Some physical therapy and dedication will bring me back, but I will not swivel anymore. Of course, the drumming itself was not the issue, but the way I played did bring about some physical shortcomings as I have very stiff joints. Make sure to take care of your muscles and joints as much as you practice, and work really hard in the gym to increase your core strength.
Would you say its a nonsustainable technique in general since the body is made a certain way? Do you have any ideas for a design alteration to the kick pedal for it to be less fatiguing to the body?
@@notyetskeletal4809 I've been using this technique for years, and have no issues whatsoever, aside from the occassional tightness in the ankles and knees after practice when I push the tempo a little too much. Most of the people who get injured just have bad technique or "harsh" practice routines, in my opinion. Prioritize control over speed at first. Once you're able to control the motion comfortably at 180-190bpm, which may feel very awkward and extremely frustrating at first, you'll then be set to dial up the speed. Just be patient. Took me 3 months of daily practice to be able to control this motion at slow tempos, but it was all worth it. Make sure to stretch before and after practice. Also, record your feet! 🙂
Forgot to mention that you should also tweak your pedal settings. Wouldn't recommend too much spring tension if you're starting out. Find what's comfortable. Check out James Payne's breakdown, as well as the stonekiller exercise, which is very effective as part of said exercise isolates both feet. Again, prioritize control. Speed will come.
when you played swivel tech did that effect your physical condition later on? for example did playing swivel tech cause your joints to be stiff etc etc etc
You two and james payne and wanja are the best double bass people teaching wise on youtube. I've been learning from you all for the last year and a half and you've changed my life. I plan to be a paying customer again soon. It's well worth it but my wife is transitioning to a wheelchair right now at 27 years old and money be tight. I thank the gods for you guys
@GatrTube it will. Shes the best. She had a wreck as a passenger in a car when she was 15. She was basically almost split in half. L-3 basically shattered. Theres a lot of nerve damage. Married her 3 years later and she could walk and do normal stuff and was super independent. Such a motivated person. We had a long discussion before we got married about how she knew this would become a problem as the marriage progressed as it's a condition that'll get worse over time. I saw today coming 9 years go but it's still a bummer. I'm just glad shes never given up on me or herself. Hopefully our band will get going again after this transition. She sings and plays piano and samplers and I just drum haha. I've never seen a lead singer in a wheelchair. Shes still stoked on the idea
@MarsHolst20 totally! I will. I dont get to see too many people without a virus going on cause I have to work from home so I can be around her. I get what you're saying tho. As an adult you need to make time for u. Life isnt going to. In our marriage we are both bad at making time for ourselves. So we both decided to be sure to do it for each other. Like shell surprise me with a hotel stay by myself for a weekend or I'll make sure she has money in her acount to take care of her current goals. We tried the hotel just for her thing but that doesnt go well. At least we tried it. She says she gets alone time when I go so I get it, but it could just be her being selfless. I'm just so amazed everyday at how good she is to me and how crazy it is that shes able to change with me so fluently that its beyond my understanding. Seriously marriage is you and your best friend plus sex and commitment and paperwork haha
The best thing about Marthyn's channel is his commitment to teaching and educating folks about these different techniques. It's not just short clips of someone playing fast double-bass, but it comes with analysis and explanations! Great content, man. Keep it up! You're becoming a legend - not necessarily from your music but because of the valuable knowledge that you're sharing with the drumming community 🙂
This is the type of stuff that makes a REALLY good teacher. Someone who can not only play. That’s just one factor....it’s a given. But someone who can break the concepts down physically and mentally in order to instill knowledge. That’s the key component...
I've played progressive metal for 20 years and just today by accident discovered this technique whilst playing blast beats..and come to find out it is an actual technique. This guy does a fantastic job of explaining how to perform this technique. It definitely works.
I dont think that i will ever see Eugene struggling. Or atleast playing stiffly with his hands hurting. This man just plays so smooth, clean and relaxed at extreme tempos it makes me practice to stop playing stiff.
@MarsHolst20 yeah cranked spring tension ( if that's the setting you're talking about) is definetly something to work towards. I'm skinny as a rail and it really got me focused on working out outside of practicing drums. Helps a whole lot and now I'm almost at 80% tension but I don't think 100% is for me cause it's great for speed but I'm trying to find a group of settings that works for every bass drum technique. Maybe I'll change my mind when I have the muscle to push down a spring at 100% haha. Good luck on what you're practicing! Being fluent at double bass is something that's so much fun once u get your legs feeling equal and it's off to the races.
man awesome content. I needed your academy like 20 years ago, when I was serious about drumming but could not go beyond 210 bpm and only heel toe was around, but my feet were too long for the pedal.
That technique loook awesome! I would like to try when I can have enough speed to re-configurate my double pedal and so improve my foot technique! Thanks for the advice and excellent work of this channel! I've learned a lot! Cheers from Colombia! 💪
Outstanding demonstration, and what a dapper fellow! I wonder how well speeds like this translate on an acoustic drum. Especially on a single kick drum with a double pedal… can a drum head recover enough to make a consistent punch?
Not looking to learn this technique myself but this was a fantastic explanation! Really thorough. I presume the technique would work best with triggers, I can imagine this on an un-triggered bass drum sounding fast but very quiet.
awesome breakdown on the pressure principle! Hope to be as articulate as this fellow one day. In russian, english. Drumming. feet. mustache. barbershop. suspenders. lamp
Correction: is not necesary the high spring tension, you can use low tension and the beater in a diferent angle like 30 degrees and it works well at this degree because the resistance is increased when You oush the pedal or make a stroke so it has a good rebound
I feel like I'm pretty good at heel toe but can't generate enough power. I use to have a Pearl Demon drive that I got good power from and switched to the Trick Dominator's which are nice but don't have the power of the Demon Drive's. I am definitely going to try and learn the swivel technique as it seems to generate more power.
excellent guys .. ... very helpful all your education congratulations, it would be good to include subtitles in Spanish, it would be great. greetings from Argentina stay brutal
so basically : 8:47 do this, and this, and then you just *brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbr* like this.... fuck, what a guy. Jk, my two favourite drummers in one video, explaining doublebass stuff, cant get any better. also, sick animations marthyn \m/
Ich hasse es!!!! vor etlichen Jahren, hatte ich es raus, finger technique lief...db ankle motion lief...dann auf einmal...ging nix mehr...du weißt du kannst es, es klappt aber nicht mehr aus was für einem grund auch immer....bin sauer...war schon lange nicht mehr am set
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After playing drums for 10 years and trying to perfectionize the swivel technique, my leading foot started to give up two years ago as it became misaligned/asymmetric. This has resulted in several issues with my right shoulder, right hip, right knee and a misaligned right foot. I can't even run anymore. Some physical therapy and dedication will bring me back, but I will not swivel anymore.
Of course, the drumming itself was not the issue, but the way I played did bring about some physical shortcomings as I have very stiff joints. Make sure to take care of your muscles and joints as much as you practice, and work really hard in the gym to increase your core strength.
Would you say its a nonsustainable technique in general since the body is made a certain way? Do you have any ideas for a design alteration to the kick pedal for it to be less fatiguing to the body?
@@notyetskeletal4809 I've been using this technique for years, and have no issues whatsoever, aside from the occassional tightness in the ankles and knees after practice when I push the tempo a little too much.
Most of the people who get injured just have bad technique or "harsh" practice routines, in my opinion. Prioritize control over speed at first. Once you're able to control the motion comfortably at 180-190bpm, which may feel very awkward and extremely frustrating at first, you'll then be set to dial up the speed.
Just be patient. Took me 3 months of daily practice to be able to control this motion at slow tempos, but it was all worth it. Make sure to stretch before and after practice. Also, record your feet! 🙂
Forgot to mention that you should also tweak your pedal settings. Wouldn't recommend too much spring tension if you're starting out. Find what's comfortable. Check out James Payne's breakdown, as well as the stonekiller exercise, which is very effective as part of said exercise isolates both feet. Again, prioritize control. Speed will come.
when you played swivel tech did that effect your physical condition later on? for example did playing swivel tech cause your joints to be stiff etc etc etc
I don't even want to try swivel. Its too much movement for me. I'm learning ankle tech and once I get longboard pedals I'll stick to heel toe
Eugene is such a beast!
true that!!
@@Psychologik101 he is THE BEAST!!
You two and james payne and wanja are the best double bass people teaching wise on youtube. I've been learning from you all for the last year and a half and you've changed my life. I plan to be a paying customer again soon. It's well worth it but my wife is transitioning to a wheelchair right now at 27 years old and money be tight. I thank the gods for you guys
@GatrTube it will. Shes the best. She had a wreck as a passenger in a car when she was 15. She was basically almost split in half. L-3 basically shattered. Theres a lot of nerve damage. Married her 3 years later and she could walk and do normal stuff and was super independent. Such a motivated person. We had a long discussion before we got married about how she knew this would become a problem as the marriage progressed as it's a condition that'll get worse over time. I saw today coming 9 years go but it's still a bummer. I'm just glad shes never given up on me or herself. Hopefully our band will get going again after this transition. She sings and plays piano and samplers and I just drum haha. I've never seen a lead singer in a wheelchair. Shes still stoked on the idea
@MarsHolst20 totally! I will. I dont get to see too many people without a virus going on cause I have to work from home so I can be around her. I get what you're saying tho. As an adult you need to make time for u. Life isnt going to. In our marriage we are both bad at making time for ourselves. So we both decided to be sure to do it for each other. Like shell surprise me with a hotel stay by myself for a weekend or I'll make sure she has money in her acount to take care of her current goals. We tried the hotel just for her thing but that doesnt go well. At least we tried it. She says she gets alone time when I go so I get it, but it could just be her being selfless. I'm just so amazed everyday at how good she is to me and how crazy it is that shes able to change with me so fluently that its beyond my understanding. Seriously marriage is you and your best friend plus sex and commitment and paperwork haha
Thanks for the Heart MARTHYN!! So cool you read comments.
What pronouns does she like as a wheelchair?
@@meepmeep3874 That was a good one. Exactly what i was thinking with todays woke nonsense. LOL
The best thing about Marthyn's channel is his commitment to teaching and educating folks about these different techniques. It's not just short clips of someone playing fast double-bass, but it comes with analysis and explanations! Great content, man. Keep it up! You're becoming a legend - not necessarily from your music but because of the valuable knowledge that you're sharing with the drumming community 🙂
This is the type of stuff that makes a REALLY good teacher. Someone who can not only play. That’s just one factor....it’s a given. But someone who can break the concepts down physically and mentally in order to instill knowledge. That’s the key component...
This is hands down, one of the best videos I have seen, that doesn't just tell you to go sign up for their drum classes.
I've played progressive metal for 20 years and just today by accident discovered this technique whilst playing blast beats..and come to find out it is an actual technique. This guy does a fantastic job of explaining how to perform this technique. It definitely works.
This is what I've been waiting.. for the explanation of Eugene about the pressure swivel technique in drum technique academy.
I dont think that i will ever see Eugene struggling. Or atleast playing stiffly with his hands hurting. This man just plays so smooth, clean and relaxed at extreme tempos it makes me practice to stop playing stiff.
I love his drumming
Oh my god. Someone finally put out a stellar tutorial for the waggle technique!!! Thank you so much! that was SO easy to finally understand!!!
Out of all the videos I've watched about the swivel technique, this is the one where I feel I'm getting some progress. Thank you.
Great video and great explanation! Cheers guys
Perfect explaination. Amazing, natural teacher.
Feels like im in a physics class.Good job Marthyn and Eugene
Thank you Marthyn + Eugene. Love this channel.
Can't wait to get home from work and try this. I've been struggling to get good at ankle technique with my left foot, so maybe this will help 😆😆😆
@MarsHolst20 yeah cranked spring tension ( if that's the setting you're talking about) is definetly something to work towards. I'm skinny as a rail and it really got me focused on working out outside of practicing drums. Helps a whole lot and now I'm almost at 80% tension but I don't think 100% is for me cause it's great for speed but I'm trying to find a group of settings that works for every bass drum technique. Maybe I'll change my mind when I have the muscle to push down a spring at 100% haha. Good luck on what you're practicing! Being fluent at double bass is something that's so much fun once u get your legs feeling equal and it's off to the races.
Howd it go?
The beard adds 10 bpm, it's a super secret technique only a few gods have ever truly mastered
Absolutely brilliantly explained.
8:00 is so informative! I always figured it was sperate hits swivelling you're foot left and right. Mind blown!
Amazing, was wondering for years how this technique of blast bass drum beats are done, excellent demonstration.
Eugene is awesome man
Amazingggg this was exactly what I needed to know
man awesome content. I needed your academy like 20 years ago, when I was serious about drumming but could not go beyond 210 bpm and only heel toe was around, but my feet were too long for the pedal.
your video is always worth watching
That technique loook awesome! I would like to try when I can have enough speed to re-configurate my double pedal and so improve my foot technique! Thanks for the advice and excellent work of this channel! I've learned a lot! Cheers from Colombia! 💪
Eugene's beard has finally descended from Valhalla.
Genioo Eugene, saludos de parte de un argentino
Two killer drummers!
so well explained
Excellent explanation, thanks!!!!
Bro thank you! Finally a good explanation
Excellent tips thank you
Outstanding demonstration, and what a dapper fellow!
I wonder how well speeds like this translate on an acoustic drum. Especially on a single kick drum with a double pedal… can a drum head recover enough to make a consistent punch?
💡💡💡💡 jetzt hab ich das auch endlich mal kapiert! 😂 das war mir bisher nämlich ein Rätsel, thx für die Erklärung 👏👏👏
This is an outstanding description of this technique. I had know idea how it worked until this . Amazing.👍🇦🇺👌🇦🇺👍🇦🇺👌👍
Not looking to learn this technique myself but this was a fantastic explanation! Really thorough. I presume the technique would work best with triggers, I can imagine this on an un-triggered bass drum sounding fast but very quiet.
He explained it perfectly👌
awesome breakdown on the pressure principle! Hope to be as articulate as this fellow one day. In russian, english. Drumming. feet. mustache. barbershop. suspenders. lamp
Correction: is not necesary the high spring tension, you can use low tension and the beater in a diferent angle like 30 degrees and it works well at this degree because the resistance is increased when You oush the pedal or make a stroke so it has a good rebound
That s very cool!! Think this Is the opposite of the swivel use James Payne, so thanks so much for this concepts! 🤟
Thank you eugene
I feel like I'm pretty good at heel toe but can't generate enough power. I use to have a Pearl Demon drive that I got good power from and switched to the Trick Dominator's which are nice but don't have the power of the Demon Drive's. I am definitely going to try and learn the swivel technique as it seems to generate more power.
A good video.Now I can start practicing.
GRACIAS COMPITA,,,,GRACIAS POR TU VIDEO...9.999 LIKES....😎😎😎😎😎
Hope this technique is possible in chaindrive pedals since he mentioned the iron cobra
excellent guys .. ... very helpful all your education congratulations, it would be good to include subtitles in Spanish, it would be great. greetings from Argentina stay brutal
Great teachers!!!! Thanks
хехе угарел над "игрой в бочку и от бочки!")))) приятно слышать родной язык
Мы же все тут свои😉
@@EugeneRyabchenkoDrummer даа! это круто! =)
Eugene Ryabchenko и то верно)
great lesson! i only can play swivel on 200bpm
Finally explained
Thanks.
EUGENE ❤
so basically : 8:47 do this, and this, and then you just *brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbr* like this.... fuck, what a guy.
Jk, my two favourite drummers in one video, explaining doublebass stuff, cant get any better. also, sick animations marthyn \m/
Badass\m/
Is this healthy for your knees long term?
Cool
SWIVEL
Eugene is a fucking beast!!!
Great!
Классно этот бармен играет на бочках)
won't u tire out in 30mins if u have to keep pressure and your bodyweight on it?
is the tight shirt required to get proper pressure?
More to do with braces.👍🏻
YES
Step one: lean in to the base pedals
Step two: ????
Step three: 8:50
Wow! Hail 🤘🤘
I just cant alternate. Any tips?
Would honestly love to have eugene analyze my swivel tecnique and tell me what to do better
Nice dress Eugene
The faster you play, the less records you'll sell. My fav band is .Primus.
Hey check out Jesse Beahler play Immaculate Order please
I’ve tried learning this for years. And still can’t get it down. It’s really hard to master.
No triggers?
Yes triggers
5:30 игра в бочку))
It seems too easy. I need to try this lol
swivel technique = can you do the mash potato?
how tf... this hurts my brain trying to figure out how to get this to a click
Eugene changes Bands like Underwear
Ich hasse es!!!! vor etlichen Jahren, hatte ich es raus, finger technique lief...db ankle motion lief...dann auf einmal...ging nix mehr...du weißt du kannst es, es klappt aber nicht mehr aus was für einem grund auch immer....bin sauer...war schon lange nicht mehr am set
Well, I'll be...
Never go full caveman!!
Great totorial but the subscribe notifications with Sound are really annoying!!!
the whole time this dude was talking, its like he was not really saying anything at all
Quite the opposite. He managed to concisely explain multiple techniques