This Female Rapper is SELF DESTRUCTING…
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Artist and rapper Doja Cat recently found herself involved in some drama after criticizing some of her fans.
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Poor Doja Cat, what an awful life it must be being a wealthy international superstar musician with millions of fans and the ability to do anything you want at anytime
😂
But you can't do what you want. Michael Jackson had to pay a store full of actors to have the normal experience of shopping like a normal person
@@sabir1208she not michael jackson.
@mitchellqyra3969Stfu, Money fixes everything.
@mitchellqyra3969she don’t got no actual mental issues she just gets annoyed easily and bothered by the littlest things when in reality she’s living better than 99.999999% rest than the world
What a harsh life it is for an artist...people adoring you while not even knowing you....must be tough....
Who even wants that, i would hate it. People act like their affection is something to want but they are just random people.
@@qqqqqqqqqqqqqqq67I get that but like if it wasn't for these people she wouldn't be near the position that she's in...
LoL right
@@qqqqqqqqqqqqqqq67lmfao If it wasn’t for those people she’d be no where near what she is rn, you tripping
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her telling her fans to “get a job” and get off their phone for stanning her like she didn’t drop out of high school to spend her time in online chatrooms with 30 year old incels is laughable that she’s a prime example of letting fame get to your head and If your still a fan, she doesn't care about you.
She’s the streets
@@iamthefuss934 we all knew this and she lucky she famous and she also racist to that she said racist shit and people forgave her so fast
Yeah… that’s exactly her point. She said it herself that she doesn’t care about you. You’re the one’s whos butthurt about it lmao.
She is a bum jawn
Yeah, and she's still dating them. Just her type ig, I don't care but if he's a creep then that's diff
Ever since people were genuinely concerned after she shaved her head and she responded that she’s rich and people should mind their business, I took that advice and minded my business. She could be possessed, manic or psychotic but Idgaf
This. I am minding my business.
What about me being a man clapping my ass?
It's what the internet and fame does to people
Many people want the game but can’t handle it. I mean look at it from their perspective also: no privacy, one having to ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS uphold an ‘image.’ Really is a fine and thin line to thread.
Ok if i didn't clap it only shook it would you be emotional, we all have butts, if the answer is yes then everybody has a mental health issue with men
She hates herself literally. Her being online in chat rooms with supremacist told me all I needed to know.
Most attractive women are entitled hogs, she is absolutely in love with herself just like most harlots.
Facts.. she has self hatred issues
When was this?
back during quarantine she got exposed for being in chat rooms w racists who would say the n word and stuff like that that’s incel adjacent
@@dbullets3664 She was exposed last year or the year before.
Doja isn’t a rapper she’s a pop star that happens to rap.This is why we can’t idolize this celebrities.
She a pop rapper like Jake Harlow
Exactly
wrong, doja was a rapper before all this shit 100%, its okay tho keep talking like you know
You shouldn’t idolize any other human in general. Humans are not god they aren’t meant to be idolize cause no one is perfect
@@neonbelly9491she was always a pop rapper
She's gone down the "satanism is rad" rabbit hole...unless it's all a front and strictly for attention she's more than likely a basket case.
I’m wondering if the satanism clown came back to bite. She seems to be damaging her mental health by playing the satanic panic card. Watch the movie Starry Eyes. She reminds me of that.
I believe she sold her soul
I think she is really just trying to get everyone to hate her for some reason
@@heyitsalannaluvanybody whos that famous while making music that bad def. sold their soul
Bro she's always been edgy like that lmao and nothing wrong with embracing the dark side. Still waiting for her to start that hardcore band though.
It’s like she forgot she blew up by cosplaying as a cow
Doja beefing with fans and losing like +200k followers was like most predictable event ever
😂
Not even fussed.. People are fickle. She'll bounce back with time..
It’s 800k now 😂
Parasocial relationships are so weird to me, i get being a fan but centering so much of yourself on idolizing someone who doesnt know u exist is wild to me
I always thought it was just kid shit that everybody goes through, but seeing adults really revolving their entire lives around RUclipsrs, streamers, and celebrities is crazy.
K-pop fans are a prime example. But I think this is what happens people are bored with their lives and have nothing to strive for so they places these people onto pedestals to give themselves a sense of purpose
K-pop fans, for sure. İdolization for asian artists are much worse than in Western Media.
K-pop fans, for sure. İdolization for asian artists are much worse than in Western Media.
Idolizing a random person just because they make good music is pretty weird. Some people on the internet will ride harder for their favorite rapper than their own family and it’s weird.
As hell! One of my cousins started crying one time because Chris brown did something violent for the umpteenth time and went to jail. I really wanted to slap the absolute shxt out of her like he probably would
💯! It's so fucking weird. These people should spend that energy on their relationships with family, friends, or their partners.
careful, BTS fans might be lurking...
@@nahfam360 Kpop fans are the biggest culprits, hands down. Bunch of obsessive weirdos
It's a tribe to belong to.
She got the bag and now she can be who she really is
Exactly 😂 I don't know one of her songs except the cow one? Otherwise zero interest. Shes depressed over lack of white acceptance
A terrible person.
Good
She looking like a character straight out of Courage the Cowardly Dog
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
She is right, but she can't get mad when she loses her money from the people she craps on.
Exactly. Cracked me up that she was mocking “mediocre” music - but now ice spice is on her scarlet tour. She can’t escape the memes.
I think she handled it poorly considering her fans determine income. At the same time I respect her calling these parasocial demons out. Just cuz you fw someone doesnt make them your friend just cuz you dont fw someone doesnt make them your enemy
this is what i think. yeah its shitty to say u dont gaf about your fans but the people who obsess over her and make doja cat their personality needed to be called out. mentally ill fr
True-- she'll still make money with people that just like her music, but to sell out stadiums and merch you almost have to appease those people, just like Jamari mentioned. Casual followers (that make a normal income) of artists might blast your music or stream it, but they're not paying hundreds of dollars for concert tickets. I think she lacks tact and is dealing with her own issues regarding fame, but she's not wrong.
@c_es4138 too true. The way she talked to them or about the issue sounded like she had some other personal issues pressing her but the general message is so right
Bruh everyone determines ones income what are you talking bout?
I don't see her giving back the money.
Her fans are mostly teen girls 😆 and she wants creepy white dudes to be her core audience instead 💀
Just ignore the bish
Dont idolize celebrities. If you like the stuff they put out enjoy it and keep it pushing. If you obsess over them, your weird and deserve them to treat you bad
I was a big fan of her music around march 2020 at the height of the pandemic, but as soon as she shaved her head I immediately pulled out lol.
Facts. It annoys me how parasociality intensified to astronomical levels.
EXACTLY!!
I hope all barbz read this comment 😂
The Bible even says we should not have idols, just worship the Lord God in Jesus name amen
I don't think she understands that she is literally insulting and disrespecting herself by calling her albums scam 🤦
Like those are tge result of your hard work you're only hurting yourself no one else 💀
Idk bro, with ghost writers existing how is it not a scam.
@@Jay-TriesShe writes her songs though. And even if she didn’t her versatility is undeniable. It’s sad she’s gone down this road of self destruction
Thats like giving someone a birthday present and then saying "I actually just did it to make your partner like me". She got that deceptive manipulator vibe fr
@@nursekenjakuu if she admits that the album's are a scam then her fanbase should respect that 👀
Anyone with common sense knows that the love between you and a family member or friend compared to the love between an artist and fans are two totally different things. She should generally appreciate her fans regardless. Making fun of them and telling them the music, HER MUSIC, is mediocre…. It’s giving ungrateful.
That's very thoughtful what you think about me clapping my ass as a man?😊🎉
Just curious how do you "give ungrateful" like that makes absolute no sense logically thinking 😂 "like here im gonna give you ungrateful" makes no sense lmaooo "its giving broke" like what is giving broke, how is it giving someone broke😂 that kind of talk from this generation is goofyy af and its hilariouss🤣🤣🤣
@@elranchero4204Yes gen z/millennials have their own way of talking, just like every other generation. Get with the times old man
@@Lackifall im an 02 baby lmaooo im not gonna speak retardly just so you can understand basic human knowledge😂😂😂
@@elranchero4204 Yes I can see that you were horn in 1902
Whenever i see artists like Doja cat i die inside. I hate artists who make being quirky their entire personality and their music is just viral bs with only 1 bit thats good lol.
Omg the Victims of 2023 are so ENTITLED & PRIVILEGED it hurts to watch.
Na chill, yeah one bit goes viral but Doja is bare talented, part of the reason for her hating all her current diehard fangirls (and guys ig) is because she feels the same way you do, she hates her current material because it’s poppy and that wasn’t how she started or made music just a few years ago before the massive blow up.
@@oj397she blew up off of Moo, and it definitely has the same feel of her current music
Low key if she didn’t get famous she’d just be another e girl on discord, trying to get dudes to carry her over watch or LOL
@@niagambino1714 If you think the joke song that was Moo sounds anything like what she makes rn, or even her music from that era you need a refresh. Shorty was Closer to IcyTwat than her current self which is more akin to Ariana Grande. Stop chatting and bantering and listen to music outside of 40 sec clips on Tik Tok or Shorts.
I get what she's saying but I just don't agree with the degradation of her fans.
I think she needs to understand that degrading your fandom is the most stupid thing to do as a famous person, look at Idubbz for example, she can set boundaries and stuff but still treat your fans with respect.
Plus I've heard that she might be doing this on purpose to lose the fame which looks like what she's doing.
all she has to do is go off the radar
@@coupe1000 yep...pretty much.
This does kinda seem like self-sabotage. Like, 'how much can I get away with before people stopping f*cking with me' behavior-- but without doing or saying something completely messed up and getting beyond cancelled
If that's the case, why even bother with the career choice in the first place if she just wants to destroy it herself ? It takes a lot to get that far and most people are aware of that before they start.
She seems like a cringe, edgelord to me, but I can understand how fame can make you a bit crazy. Normalcy is a blessing many people don't appreciate. She's young, she's gonna make mistakes and be an ass sometimes, but she's still a human
Some people don’t deserve fame and notoriety
No one does it's a poison
@@MagnusDudusIt’s a poison to insecure people. You really thought Beethoven or Oppenheimer wanted fame? It just happens, and it’s how you handle it.
Don’t yall miss the days when we could engage with an artists music without social media forcing their personalities and personal lives down out throats?!?
Ikr
Social media doesn't really force anything, it's tailored to what you look at. I only come across stuff like this when people I sub to on here talk about it, which is rare. Celebrities are completely off my radar these days, by design, it's refreshing from the days when television _actually_ had these people in my face all the time.
nothing is ever being shoved down anyones throat. turn off your phone, click on another video, get a hobby. do literally anything else than consume the content. the algorithm is gonna algorithm
she been losing her mind for years now
Tbh I agree with her in principle. Nothing freaks me out more than people who just need to know everything and feel like they are influencing people they don’t know. So it’s good that a celebrity is actually actively breaking these parasocial relationships if people aren’t able to get the message on their own.
While a crass way to put it, I get where she's coming from. Fandom can be creepy and toxic. People think they know you. They adore you, but only if you bend to, or maintain their own idea of you. They hold artists to standards they wouldn't hold a loved one too. Some of these fans need a wake up call when it comes to their para social relationships with celebrities.You don't own them. They might have thoughts and feelings different from yours. Get over it.
If you stay off social media it is easier to like an artist for their art alone. I like Doja but I also don't have Twitter or Instagram 🤷♀️
she’s chronically online
@@leena5875that has nothing to do with OP’s comment.
I discoved Doja through Bitch I'm a Cow. I don't know her life, I don't want to make excuses for her or anything but I figure it's hard dealing with millions of fans on one hand but you gotta know these people are paying her. They hold onto her words and actions, she has power on her platform and I don't know that she respects that. There are a lot of impressionable people out there who think that she's the best thing since sliced bread but she's just a person. I'm not one to get star struck. Sometimes we gotta think for ourselves.
Bitch I'm a cow that the name of the song ok That funny 🤣 but I agree
She’s super talented. Idk I just can’t get onboard with her personality
Before she was mainstream, she was super chill and had a core fanbase on SoundCloud
For me idc about the personality of the artists I listen to so it’s not so difficult for me.
Lol her weird personality makes her all the more entertaining. She’s literally never what anyone expects from her now
talented?
@@silverquis you can’t take that away from her she has an ear for music and performing.
She’s not wrong. I’m sure theres a ton of other artists on her level that feel the same.
She's right though, if you're a "stan" of any celebrity you need to go touch grass, that shit is weird asf and you deserve to get verbally slapped by the random celebrity you're treating like the messiah. If I was in that position I would be equally uncomfortable with all of it, though the way she phrased her thoughts was brash and came off as ungrateful. I don't think she's genuinely ungrateful, just overwhelmed, especially because all of these people fell in love with a persona.
Faxxxxx
The one thing she said that I liked was that she doesn’t care whether you like her music or not. She does it because she enjoys it. That’s how it should be. She doesn’t owe anyone anything.
Period. Those creepy parasocial relationships are just insecure fucks latching on to another dope that doesn’t care about them. Quite sad.
Get a life
Aw poor girl, she must’ve read too deep into the tinychat reaction comments and internalized all the hate, and then conflated all that pain shame and discomfort to anyone that still gives her attention, like her actual fans. Aww poor thing.
When she first started to blow up she had said some disturbing things about her race. She didn't consider herself a black woman. She was raised by a white mother and maybe wasn't really exposed to the black community. We then all found out that her father was a very popular African musician. A father who wasn't really in her life to begin with. I guess with fame comes all kinds of family you never new you had or were never close to. Dojo Cat is a very talented person who just needs to find the music that makes her happy and enjoys doing.😊
She shouldnt be singing about "niggas" then
Her fans called her out for dating an alleged abuser in the industry, hence why this meltdown happened in the first place. I 100% understand where’s she coming from with paradoxical relationships, but at the same time, she also needed to realize her bf was never gonna be popular with her fanbase=career.
"Female Rapper" like we ain't know who Doja Cat is is crazy 😭😭😭
well, she is a female and does kinda try and rap.
The disrespect 😭
Who?
if jamari puts her name in the title she can get the video taken down
I mean the hardcore fans will be bashing any Doja video to defend her.
Not the first time Doja Cat disrespecting her fans. Remember what happened when she did that in Paraguay? She lot all of her fans there.
People need to get a reality check once in a while that weird ass parasocial relationship shit is what leads to stalkers & all sorts of wild shit at the end of the day youre a paycheck for an artist
At least she ain’t cappin. Like what celebrities “knows or loves” a fan if they don’t really know eachother.
lmao exactly she just put a voice to the assumption and hurt some feelings
She can at least be grateful or nice to the people who have made her famous
Cappin?? What does that mean?
@@tay2944people listening to her music didn't make her famous, her making music that people want to listen to made her famous. They're consuming and enjoying the product she creates. There's a transaction there, she is not a beggar on the street corner and isn't obligated to play into whatever parasocial relationship fans think they're entitled to.
bunch of weirdos on their para social activities got their fellings hurt now they hating
The photos Jamari chose for the thumbnail are SENDING ME 😂
"I love my fans" sees another post completely shits on them like, huh?!
I can't blame her.
Why's that?
@@Redditor6079 Because her fans are mentally ill. They're too obsessed and need to face reality. They do not matter and shouldn't feel entitled to her love/attention. I suspect most of her fans lack a father figure or stability in a household. Starved for attention. I'd hate them too.
@@Redditor6079 because Fandom culture is cringe and the people who partake in it tend to smother the target of desire with affection and attention.
Her fans are annoying af 😂! I don’t blame her for saying “ I don’t know y’all tho” which is facts.
@@flowd7451 yeah true she's got a point, personally I couldn't see myself being an extreme fan like that, regardless of who it is. My life comes first. On the other side though, biting the hand that feeds her for things as trivial as going by "kittens" on Twitter is stupid.
I feel for her man. These labels get their hands on young female artists and then try to make them the same thing over & over again to maximize the $$ instead of providing them the platform to create with their full talent. I thought the episode she starred in of DAVE depicted her life and other pop stars lives' perfectly. Definitely a huge fan of her talent. I'm pretty sure she's a cool person too.
While what you’re saying is true to an extent. I disagree in some aspects.
(Please note that I’m not a feminist at all in any way and what I’m saying is just my opinion.)
I think it’s actually silly to act like she (and women in general) have zero control and are totally helpless in their endeavor for success. Yes she was most likely pressured to do things she may have not wanted to do, or didn’t agree with. However, she has the power to decline and stick to her morals. Integrity is something I feel like most famous people lack and this shows it.
The willingness to do whatever it takes to get success shouldn’t compromise your character. It’s a slippery slope and ends up completely changing them to the point where they are shell of their former selves. That is why the truly genuine celebrities are cherished and loved so much.
from the clips I saw here, I agree with her. The last thing I'd want is to feel responsible for or in debt with people I don't even know. She made the music, who likes it listens to it and who doesn't don't listen. I should stop there. Imagine if it was normal to worship people from food companies, clothes companies, or whatever other product we consume
Yeah I felt like ppl are just mad bc she read them. Now more than ever people are worshipping musicians like Taylor’s swift bc they feed in this whole paradoxical relationship fantasy thing. I think it’s interesting at the least to see someone have the balls to reject that.
If the late and great Colonel Sanders said fuck yo chicken.... I'd still have a bucket of chicken.
@@kinseybruno5920 yeah. People are butthurt like Doja owes them anything. Imagine calling this “self destructing”. It’s so weird to me.
It's weird how these days artists forget or don't care about how they carry and present themselves to the world. I don't think Beyonce for example would've lasted as long as she has if she set up the camera to vomit some bs and come across as a complete repulsive brat to millions of her fans, saying rude outlandish sht, partaking in "beef" with other artists (orchestrated or not), petty arguments with fans or whoever on social media, baby daddy dramas for the paparazzi to document, poor choices resulting in getting locked up, substance abuse, etc etc. It's hard to picture a lot of these newer artists gaining that legendary status in music, they can still be themselves without tarnishing their reputation causing their problematic lives to outshine their music in the media. Just a thought.
This is more than a thought, this is a mic drop. All facts too.
It all boils down to parasocial relationships, I don't understand how people can get so attached to a person and than they turn out to be an asshole so you get butthurt and ur parasocial feelings get destroyed 😂😂
I think its funny tbh. Even tho doja was acting like a cunt, her comments and responses to the overly attached fans were pretty entertaining, I cant lie
Right? Imagine being hurt that some artist isn’t being nice to you 😂
This is why I've never etood in a que for an autograph or selfie with anyone, ever, we're strangers, simple.
That fact that Jamari has to blur out the word “sexual” but has a Adam & Eve sponsor shows how dogshit RUclips is
Love u Jamari. Always keeping it real
Damn. I had a thing for her because she seemed like a freaky chick, but I haven’t unlocked the freaky freaky level yet. This is a bit much for ya boy.
"freaky freaky level" lol bro 🤣
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
whats crazy if u are one of the few people that was following her before her rise her personality is exactly the same.. i think most people who are distraught are those who didnt follow her as closely
Just a. Couple of weeks ago she told her fans she loved them, so no, it still doesn’t make sense
Mario suddenly saying “wahoo” during the Adam & Eve commercial gets me every time
She’ll be fine. She still drops bangers. She don’t owe us anything as long as she keeps bringing heat.
She’s not a rapper she’s a pop artist and she’s been out for 10 years .
What if she’s doing this as a way of escape from her contractors to let her go? I truly believe they’re taking advantage of her, and, through her, promote demonic messages, and the only possible way of escape she could think of rn is to ruin her reputation, convincing the contractors to just let her go.
Just a thought.. but maybe I’m just crazy.
Little bit crazy
Doesn't give her the right to disrespect and insult her own fans. The fans got nothing to do with that, they did nothing bad to her and she shouldn't be taking out her anger and frustration on them. Its misdirected. There are wiser ways she could deal with her situation. She's embarrassing herself.
Update: nvm I think she’s actually lost her mind, she needs LOTS of prayers ☠️
He had to look for the ugliest pics of her for the thumbnail 😭🤣
That's how she looks without make-up and wigs she even shaved her eyebrows 😂
Honestly she has a point. She makes music and people like it and pay for it. She isn’t asking anyone to they are doing it of their own free will. Expecting her to cater to these people that idolize her just because they like her isn’t necessarily fair. It is no different than making and selling food and then expecting the seller to tell all his customers he loves them just because they’re buying his food. This is the problem with today’s society. To many people sitting at home idolizing stars and influencers on tiktok rather than bettering themselves.
People should stop worshipping and having parasocial relationships with celebs. The celebrity worship is out of control!
Johnny Depp once said when he won a MTV movie award “To my fans, thank you and you’re the boss” in other words treat your fans with respect because they are the ones that are keeping irrelevant. She needs to be humbled quickly.
I dunno. Actually sounds like pandering. Johnny Depp doesn’t truly feel his fans are his bosses. It’s just a BS line that makes some person out there feel like they matter when they don’t.
THIS IS THAT GOOD OLD JEMARI MANNN I LOVE IT
Just wanna throw this out there.... doja cat has been active in music for about 10 years. Her sound was entirely different but she's definitely not some overnight tiktok success story, and that's what's even more alarming about her "self destruction." She did the work and put in the time, but after the moo n juicy songs, something changed. It set her on a nasty downward spiral too. Hate to see it
For the longest time I had always thought that DojaKat was the name of a meme or a gif. Holee Shyte, it's the name of a rapper 🤷♂
I mean, if we’re keeping it all the way 100 here, is she wrong?lol Imo what she’s doing can actually be looked at as a good thing. There are too many stans today and too many people that literally devote their lives to their favorite artists and/or celebrities. They’re too infatuated with them and know/watch every little thing they do, to the point where they keep up with them more than their own family memebers. Doja seems to pretty much be saying what all celebrities want to say: These people don’t love y’all. Simply for the fact that it’s impossible to love somebody that you don’t personally know. It doesn’t matter how much money you put in their pockets, they’ll never love you in the way they love their family or close friends. And it makes sense that they wouldn’t. Now, if I was her, instead of shitting on my fans I’d say something along the lines of “I may not *love* y’all but I do greatly *appreciate* y’all”. Cause that’s really what they mean.
If she didn't want fans devoting themselves to her every move why is she online so much posting her every move. Those fans are strange but she's not helping her cause. Just don't post anything and you'll draw much less infatuation.
@@j.l.torres4610 Yea but she still needs the attention because that’s what brings her income. I get what you’re saying though.
Fans don’t even idolize their grandmas or mothers the way they do STRANGERS. It’s sad.
Na the thumbnail is the funniest shit I’ve seen all month, y’all are wildin over at Jamari studios 😂😂
Great video Jamari, i loved the editing
dear goodness I hope shes okay
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When you hear that Saucy intro you know it’s Adam n Eve sponsor
I think Doja Cat is one of the most genuine personalities in the celeb sphere. Everyone seems to think they know what's best for her. As a fellow "child of the pre-2010 internet," I genuinely hope she finds success being herself.
Facts all these ppl thinking she owes her fans anything is weird af
suree
Lol shit let white men call her the n word yeah real genuine personality
She genuinely has a fucked up attitude. It's gross making fun of people who support you.i understand setting boundaries but it comes off as ungrateful. She needs to understand that all the support and ticket sales can dry up in an instant
Nah she’s just attention seeker
As my grandma used to say "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything."
Blacklisted her as an artist from my playlist years ago. She screams multiple levels of issues that she’ll never deal with and takes that out on the same people that give her the platform and status she abuses 🤷🏾♂️
Bro i just like her music cause its catchy why do ppl need to have a deeper meaning to songs like moooooooooooooooo lol chill
@@sergf3624 dude she became famous off off meme tier music that I admittedly liked too. What I and everyone else is talking about is the fact she’s a closeted self loathing racist and narcissist.
@@sean1oo1 Bro if i were to blacklist every artist that wasnt narcissist my playlist would only include taylor swift and even then she seems a lil narcissist at times.
Jamari u are the epitome of a practical person ahah… much respect my brother as always
Stalking
May 4, 2019
Written by RICHARD BUKOWSKI
Theories about stalkers
The danger of success
“Success makes so many people hate you. I wish it wasn’t that way. It would be wonderful to enjoy success without seeing envy in the eyes of those around you.” ~ Marilyn Monroe
A lot of the reason why people don’t push for success is because they are afraid of it. For those who grew up in the 1970s and 80s, they were exposed to Abraham Maslow who created a pyramid of needs that people seek as they achieve each foundational success. In the Farther Reaches of Human Nature, Maslow observed this phenomenon of fear of success and why people don’t try to self-actualize. He says that in the comparison with the successful we might become a little jealous or envious. We might react to the successful with projection as if they were trying to make us feel inferior and “hostility is then an understandable consequence.”
If you gain worldly success, you have more money, and more temptations than ever before, leading to problems like addictions. The pressure to achieve more success leads to more stress and more addiction. You now become a target for enquiring minds looking for scandal. The envious enjoy seeing the successful fall into shame which can bolster their own low self-esteem. The problem with schadenfreude is that it isolates targets. Successful artists feel they need bodyguards and disguises to be able to function in life, but just those behaviours show that their normal life is changed forever. As I often wrote about, that sense of play in intrinsic motivation; it has to be guarded. Doing things for others and being more inauthentic just increases stress and life can fall apart because it’s now only about one thing, external success. The audience demands a constant stream of artwork at the highest levels of quality, and the audience themselves start demanding the artist make art just for their tastes. A kind of lifestyle art. Artists can lose the chance to make art the way they want to and lose control of their lives. For an artist who continues on the same path, putting all of your emotional eggs in one basket is risky. How long will it be when that style becomes boring and is abandoned, along with the star?
For example, if success disappears, and it was the only thing an artist had to feel happy, it can lead many back to addiction, depression, accidental overdose, or suicide. Bono, for example, wrote the song, Hold me, thrill me, kiss me, kill me, about the unhealthy relationship fans had with their artists. Fame is lethal for artists, because the audience want to see your personal life for imitation purposes, and as time passes they may feel that they are so far away from their talent and will never achieve the success of the imitated artist, they may feel that projection of inferiority, as Maslow pointed out, every time they see them or hear them. The artist may appear as if they are taunting the audience with their success when they keep succeeding, and some artists even taunt the audience in just this way to bring on the envious energy because they feel omnipotent. The successful artist’s problems look ridiculous to the average person who is striving with less. Even worse, if the successful stay successful, the envy and the desire for schadenfreude builds in the audience. Just like Jesus died at 33. Bono: “[The audience] want their money back if you’re alive at 33.” The audience loses interest in the art and focuses more on envy of success. People can blame the paparazzi, but they are fueled by the general public that consume their media and magazines.
This sends a signal to the successful that we have to be perfect people in order to keep success. People become ambivalent about their once adored stars. If they make personal mistakes or release a subpar artwork then that’s the excuse to trigger the schadenfreude to go from private to public. That is a big challenge for artists. Can they adapt and reinvent themselves? Should they become a philanthropist and support a cause to improve their image? Many fail to do so. If the successful artist loses their privacy and if they mess up their life while they are popular, because remember they are human, they are open to criticism and ridicule from millions of strangers, which creates even more stress and isolation. When the artist dies by addiction, or suicide, the audience switches back into loving the artist. If they are dead and the audience is still alive, there’s nothing to envy. A cheap form of superiority is enjoyed when the envious pressure is lifted after the artist passes away. Then their art and its qualities return back to prominence. This is especially so, because there won’t be anymore artworks. Scarcity increases value, especially if the artist dies young at their peak.
In The Psychology of Criminal and Antisocial Behavior, there are many characteristics of victims that can be quite different, including narcissists and psychopaths abusing each other. The more recognizable category the authors describe is the reassurance-oriented victim. The targeted characteristics of this type are people who have a fear of being alone, a fear of rejection. They also have low self-esteem based on a lack of status or physical good looks. They tolerate abuse because they don’t believe there is a better alternative. There’s less effort required to trap a person who traps themselves, and whether they have low self-esteem, or high self-esteem as with helping-professionals, victims tolerate more than they should, and become precious and rare resources for the abuser. If they get away, then victims must prepare to be stalked, since they are the abuser’s main emotional resource.
Identifying the manipulator
Meloy identifies a way out of the trap for empathic people. “The [target] who has analyzed the narcissistic roots of his own empathic responses will feel little or no compassion during this outpouring of emotion by the psychopath. Second, the psychopath will recompensate much too quickly, leaving the clinical observer with the impression that the play has ended.” By seeing their own feelings of increased self-esteem happen in real time, empathic people can detect the manipulation. “Oh! They’re buttering me up!” You are not going to get those nice warm and fuzzy feelings without the psychopath wanting something in return. When empathic people set healthy boundaries, the narcissist or psychopath loses the benefits they were looking for, and controlling behaviour can reassert itself showing who they are. Even with this knowledge, intelligent people can be caught by these simulations, so it’s not a shame if one discovers they have been duped. Most manipulators have practiced the art since childhood.
A common experience of shame for being duped happens when victims sees old photos of the manipulator. An image of an upstanding member of the community with lots of friends and networks. It’s jarring! Whether it’s an ex-intimate partner, or a co-worker or boss in a corporate photo, the private self of the manipulator and their sanitized image for everyone else looks like a split personality. Yet it’s anything but. It’s a carefully constructed strategy for success, that is of course evil, but that evil is protected by the self-interest of networks and friendships that depend on upon the narcissist or psychopath from being caught. Their self-interest blinds them. They don’t want to see. Not only their self-interest is in danger. The act of holding people accountable is very unpleasant. It’s much easier to go along to get along.
“The psychopath, in brief, has no capacity for empathy. But there is an exquisite capacity for simulation and imitation of other’s narcissistically invested self-concepts, whether they be expressed through ideation, affect, or mannerisms. The adeptness and social facility of such simulation and imitation appear to correlate with the psychopath’s intelligence.” Once they are found out, victims have to increase their self-esteem by making choices for themselves that a good parent would do for them if they were their child. Boundaries are erected, law enforcement is engaged, and a new life is pursued with a higher self-esteem. Self-esteem changes from a mental state that is only for special and important Others, and instead becomes a requirement for our own survival. Self-esteem also becomes independent from others, since so many people’s criticism, flattery and affirmations are a manipulation for control. We have to affirm ourselves.
Erotomania
Comorbid with many other disorders is Erotomania. Here stalkers are fixed on an idea that they’ve had a relationship with a celebrity before, or that the celebrity loves them. If the celebrity is married to someone else, the spouse in the fantasy is actually preventing a reunion with the celebrity. Disorders that can be connected with erotomania include, paranoia, schizophrenia, and the Cluster B personality disorders, which can grossly impair their ability to test between their wishes and reality. Hoffman in Psychotic Visitors to Government Offices, found a life pattern of these individuals:
“The story of frustration, unsatisfied ambition, the wish for security and freedom from want, the desire for love and affection. Over a period of years these unsatisfied needs exist, and remain unsatisified…One may search the stories of their lives without finding much cause for happiness or satisfaction. The recurring theme in their life histories is that of frustration, loneliness, failure.”
By aiming their affections towards celebrities these individuals set themselves up for more rejection and failure, leading to a possibility of violence. Robert Hoskins, the Madonna stalker for example, told her bodyguard that “if Madonna did not marry him, he would ‘slice her throat from ear to ear.'”
In another example, Dawnette Knight was in the belief that she had a relationship with Michael Douglas. She sent threatening letters to Zeta-Jones “describing in detail how she would kill and dismember her.”
The difficulty with these cases in prosecuting is the insanity defense. Each case has to be looked at individually and certainly there is mental illness involved, but at the same time, the defense has it’s problem due to the extensive premeditation and planning involved in these cases.
For victims there aren’t any concrete actions I can tell them on how to litigate, because stalkers will investigate those methods of escape so they can devise new ways to stalk. They will even read this blog post looking for information, or read conversations in forums and Facebook to glean what victims are doing to protect themselves. As long as old methods of defense are used, new methods of stalking are invented. Victims have to be creative and continue to apply new boundaries each time an old one is circumvented, and get help from others such as law enforcement. Staying isolated only helps the stalker.
Victim Blaming
In the end for victims, their isolation can continue when others disbelieve the stories or believe that the victim must have done something to bring on the stalking. This is a way for people to live in the belief that the world is a safe place, and that if we follow certain rules, nothing will happen to us.
“Individuals have a need to believe that they live in a world where people generally get what they deserve. The belief that the world is just enables the individual to confront his physical and social environment as though they were stable and orderly. Without such a belief it would be difficult for the individual to commit himself to the pursuit of long-range goals or even to the socially regulated behavior of day-to-day life. Since the belief that the world is just serves such an important adaptive function for the individual, people are very reluctant to give up this belief, and they can be greatly troubled if they encounter evidence that suggests that the world is not really just or orderly after all.”
If there is any blame victims share, it is how they may be attracting stalking behaviour by all having some good qualities that are envied by the perpetrators. Wealth, fame, talents, empathy, resources and good looks. Victims have what stalkers want…A life.
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Was gonna say I'm not gonna read allat but actually a pretty good read if I'm being honest. Thanks for this.
@@luvRoyma I think that he is a wonderful writer, and his page is brilliant, he used to be on RUclips but he closed it for reasons unknown to me and there is a full video of the parts of this article on Rumble and on his page, very insightful and intelligent.
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social media blew her up but at the same time was her downfall.
I respect that she let people know she don’t give af bout them cause most of these celebs don’t but of course wouldn’t say it 🤷🏾♂️ people who idolize celebs are fkn weirdos 😂 good for her stop acting like a lot of these other artist aren’t on the same sht in secret
YES thank you jamari for the Adam and Eve sponsorship ❤
I’m not a doja fan or hater but I think she’s taking a radical approach against stan culture I don’t think she hates her fans
This is a weird situation for me cause my girl bought us tickets to see her before this whole shitting on her fans thing happened. I get stan culture is toxic and lame but she is coming across very pretentious.
I like listening to her music. I dont really have any opinion about her in general. I think it's weird to put celebrities on a peddle stool. That they have to be perfect person. Like if thats how she feels why should i care. Her saying all that isnt gonna change my life in anyway.
Everyone bashing her, but being a famous artist sounds like an amazing life but there are a lot of things u experience that could destroy ur mental health. She’s just going through something rn ppl shouldn’t be so hard on her cause she’s just as human as the rest of us
That's why I don't adore or idolize these people
The first part of the video is inaccurate. The tiny chat issue was back in 2020 and has nothing to do with her shaving head, which happened last year (2022). She released Planet her album, which had a string of hits and was successful, but her current antics against her fans all started last year when she was on tour in South America.
And this is why fans shouldn’t put celebrities on pedestals. Just because you f*ck with someone doesn’t make them your friend and if you don’t f*ck with someone, that doesn’t make them your enemy either.
Here’s where she messed up. While I have heard of her, I couldn’t tell you what her songs were. Now I’m not ever gonna find out. Im just not big into music generally speaking but saying all this is gonna limit any FUTURE audience.
That audience that she is alienating are the sub 100 iq variety so I think she'll be alright in the future considering they lacked any critical thinking to begin with
This lady is under some mk uktra or something
She doesn’t have to love her fans 🤷🏼♀️ especially those crazy obsessed ones that act like theyre close friends.
In reality Doja cat is a industry plant she’s been a mini celebrity since she was 12 then boomed out nowhere when she made that “moo I’m a cow song”
Is that really an industry plant if she's been famous her whole life then?
@@PotentSenzu she wasn’t famous for anything notable other than being in the room with celebrities until she made that song and she pandered to the lowest hanging fruit pop fans she herself didn’t even like that kinda music and she goes in weeks long rants about how her label makes her make that music and she doesn’t like it or wanna be famous
As a non fan of Doja, I dig the music it’s catchy, it’s her that I don’t like.. 😂😂😂
Doja really going through her little edgy faze. Don't ever forget where you came from Doja.
Sounds like her MK Ultra programming is headed for the next phase
The term isn’t “kink in her armor” but for monetary reasons I think I know why U changed it lol
Since the Jeremy Lin thing a long time ago I don’t think people are willing to say chink in any context anymore
4:44 thanks for the new profile pic😂😂😂
I'm with Doja on this one. She have all the rights to set her boundaries and speak her truth. There's a big group of sensitive weirdos that felt some type of way when hearing the truth from their idol and now they hating
I swear to god I’ve never known a single woman to be happy at their job no matter what. Always something.
I remember when Doja complained that she didn’t want to make an album in a year time frame. And it’s not right to make her do it.
They’re insane
You're saying that like it's only a woman thing. Men literally complain about wives because they're already stressed from work and want to ignore their families when they get home from work
I think women complaining is a primal thing. Not sure how but I believe it
This what happens when you give certain people power, dont know what to do with it.
I don’t think she hates her fans, I think she’s establishing clear boundaries that people are misinterpreting as hate.
No matter what she is doing it's hurting her brand which is her bread and butter which is not a good idea
I agree. It really is creepy for people to be such die hard fans that they make their whole social profile about a celebrity who they have never met. She is absolutely right they need to get a life.
Even if she is abrasive, she didnt say one thing that wasn't true. Celebrity worship is cringe, and making fan clubs for an artist that doesn't even know you is pretty pathetic.
I'm not even a fan of Doja Cat, but this is more honest than the musicians that act like they have a connection with their fans.
@chelled3564 I don't like them either but unlike you and me she is a performer
Those creeps are what pays every celebrity's bills she and every celebrity needs these creeps to validate their existence in their work space
Establishing what boundaries? Because saying you love your fanbase is a bridge to far? GTFO
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🤨 the men stuff right?
I stopped supporting her a while ago, but that portion of the live you played of her painting, I agree with what she said. These celebs aren't your friends
As an American, I cannot stand how other Americans idolize limelight, fame, narcissism, etc...