My best method for playing Sydney is to pack up your stuff and hope for a different pattern. :P I've bowled on Sydney at a few different Team Trials events and other tournaments, and not only is it one of the hardest patterns I've ever bowl on, it's definitely the hardest short pattern I've bowled on.
i know this is an old comment but at one of my recent local tournaments and noone was doing good it wasnt an adult tournamanet and the average score was 170
As a brand new bowler I joined a league that surprised us with something in the mid 20ft oil pattern from like the 60's. Definitely has been kicking my ass hard but the people bowling the league are goldmines of knowledge.
I really enjoyed this video! I enjoyed how you broke down the pattern and how each ball is going to and how it reacted. Your thought process is unbelievable in my eyes. A big eye opener from me.
You guys are producing great stuff. I second or third the motion to produce more bowling adjustments and different pattern type of videos. I coach youth and this stuff is gold. Keep it up and congrats on your TV showing. Very impressive.
Another great job guys! Short patterns like that really are brutal. Especially when the gutter doesn't hook. Shows how important shot making is in bowling. Great Job!
Excellent! Without a doubt this is the best video you guys have put out yet....which says a lot because all your videos have been great. This is the kind of info you don’t get from all those other instructional videos/websites. Very informative guys....thank you.
I love this new series! I bet it's going to help you guys too. I bet its easy to over-think the pattern when you struggle. Especially on the pba patterns
You guys just confirmed the importance of a urethane ball in my arsenal. Looks like a Pitch Black is in my near future. Thanks, Brad and Kyle! Excellent video once again!
Nice video guys! I mentioned doing a video exactly like this to Luke Rosdahl awhile back, so I’m glad you guys started doing it. Really valuable information for competitive bowlers in high school and college!
I bowled that pattern today, it's very tough. I used urathane mostly but in the six game using the iq red standing 25 going to 14 at the arrows was my best look. Great video. Thanks guys
excellent video! I just bowled on similar pattern but with longer oil and it was BRUTAL. guys with house shot averages of 230+ were shooting 160. I missed the cut by a little because the first 3 games, the lanes were super touchy just like in this video. it took me 3 games before i shot over 200. I was wondering how i should have played the lanes and this video confirms my thoughts. thanks Brad and Kyle! (btw the pattern was the state team masters pattern 38feet 28ml oil... HUGE hang spot if you sent it out past 7)
Really cool video. Please if possible to add a little bit more info on wich type of surface you would normally use on X ball on these type of pattern. Thank you very much
I want to see if I'm thinking correctly. When Sydney starts to break down, would a ball move to something like a Web Tour be a consideration. I would think a solid, symmetrical with some natural surface like that would be a good look. Or am I way off base in my thinking?
How would you guys play a pattern that's short/dry in the middle with outsides being long oil? Would you play it like how Brad thew the pitch black in the video? Or play within the center where it's dry with a low reactive/urethane ball? Thoughts...? 🙏
So then what about short pin balls? Wouldn’t that slow down the break down and help you score better? Even though it would make the lanes dry up instead of carry the oil you can stay with the same ball and migrate In. Am I wrong?
my Cutting Edge Hybrid has aggressive midland traction with a backend hook the cover type is hybrid reactive. Also, I need to get a storm Pitch Black or Fever Pitch
Congrats on Roth/Holman doubles finish. I was pulling a title for you guys. Like to see a video testing the Hammer Vibe holy Trinity: Cherry, Onyx & Blue. It just might sway me to buy a shirt or 2. Are they pre-shrunk cotton?
This pattern is hard as hell but i have found an AMF Sumo with a maroon pad to be a perfect look playing directly up the 2 board. It eliminates hang on the gutter and yet I can find a extra board or 2 of hold. Also some of the real slow response particle balls like the La Nina are great on patterns like this as well. This is my highest scoring pattern in my sport league averaging 221 in the two weeks we bowled on it. How? I do not know.
What would you reccomend for a short pattern but with less than 10 ml of oil. I have been using a pin down tropical but cant seem to transition correctly. Any advice would be great.
Wanting to get a web tour to go into my bag. I have a lower rev rate, and I’m going to want something to be a ball down, but still has a smooth shape. Any suggestions?
Hey guys! Comment for Kyle. Dealing with a sciatica piriformis and it’s killing me to the point I can’t bowl anymore. I know Kyle had hip surgery, was curious if that was a symptom he had. Any recommendations on getting rid of it?
Urethane helps all the time... not. But my Tropical Surge with some wrist technique I can do wonder, without messing up the lane. Urethane isn't everything mates, just saying. You should show some more versatility, perhaps using more different types of bowling balls (including Urethane), showing us that those low-mid range balls are useable as well to cover the board. Although a very good video, clear and informative!
and what do you do if strathpine,aspley,caboolture and caloundra all have less volume and 10ft shorter than your sydney pattern, my urethane hooks just past the arrows and doesn't make anywhere near that length. I hate australian lanes they have totally ruined the game
Ahh, Sydney...the pattern that tells you exactly who the floor dumpers are. If you see anyone lofting the gutter cap on this pattern with an aggressive ball, you know that you're around a floor dumper. And I have seen A LOT of that on this pattern...
I disagree about the channel not hooking...Unless the pattern is over 40 feet, the channel can always hook, its just a matter of breaking down the oil the right way. Whenever I bowl on this pattern I usually put a bunch of surface on my most aggressive ball (we're talking 360 or 180) and play up the channel during practice and NOTHING else. Yeah the first 5-7 frames of the first game kind of suck and I'll get lots of washouts and washout variations cuz it isn't broken down yet, but then the rest of the day it plays exactly like cheetah. The problem is if you move pairs every game. In that case, I usually just take a really weak ball with a ton of polish on it, play out to 5 or so, and hope.
Crutch it dont use your hand to minipulate like norm does what would he know he only has 40 titles and grand slam of bowling need to be able to increase and decrease rev rate
A+ on the video guys. Any thoughts of maybe doing a "Pattern of the Week" segment? I only ask because these are so good.
Great idea.
top2pear id love this
I like how both of them always take advice from one another
That pattern beat my ass in my first college tourney. Great demo!
My best method for playing Sydney is to pack up your stuff and hope for a different pattern. :P
I've bowled on Sydney at a few different Team Trials events and other tournaments, and not only is it one of the hardest patterns I've ever bowl on, it's definitely the hardest short pattern I've bowled on.
i know this is an old comment but at one of my recent local tournaments and noone was doing good it wasnt an adult tournamanet and the average score was 170
As a brand new bowler I joined a league that surprised us with something in the mid 20ft oil pattern from like the 60's. Definitely has been kicking my ass hard but the people bowling the league are goldmines of knowledge.
Thanks. This week I'm bowling on Stockholm oil patern. I'll try this tip
I really enjoyed this video! I enjoyed how you broke down the pattern and how each ball is going to and how it reacted. Your thought process is unbelievable in my eyes. A big eye opener from me.
You guys are producing great stuff. I second or third the motion to produce more bowling adjustments and different pattern type of videos. I coach youth and this stuff is gold. Keep it up and congrats on your TV showing. Very impressive.
Another great job guys! Short patterns like that really are brutal. Especially when the gutter doesn't hook. Shows how important shot making is in bowling. Great Job!
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First time bowling Sport Shot league. I found this video very helpful. Thanks Brad & Kyle!
Excellent! Without a doubt this is the best video you guys have put out yet....which says a lot because all your videos have been great. This is the kind of info you don’t get from all those other instructional videos/websites. Very informative guys....thank you.
hey you guys have a video going over targeting or where to focus eyes when starting and finishing approach?
Thankyou so much for making this video. Short patterns are the ones I really struggle on.
Don't be laughing at those Norm Duke strikes Kyle! As usual, great informative video!!
Beautiful lane play tutorial on a short pattern. Thanks guys.
I love this new series! I bet it's going to help you guys too. I bet its easy to over-think the pattern when you struggle. Especially on the pba patterns
You guys just confirmed the importance of a urethane ball in my arsenal. Looks like a Pitch Black is in my near future. Thanks, Brad and Kyle! Excellent video once again!
I'm in the same boat. I was considering getting one already, as I need something like that, but this just confirmed it for me.
I love these videos. They help me a lot and you should keep making them
Love these longer more in depth videos! Great job you guys!
Awesome job with the video! Please keep these coming for more sport patterns.
Nice video guys! I mentioned doing a video exactly like this to Luke Rosdahl awhile back, so I’m glad you guys started doing it. Really valuable information for competitive bowlers in high school and college!
Great video! I appreciate the insight and hope to see more like this.
Great info Brad and Kyle another great lessons, keep up the great work!
I bowled that pattern today, it's very tough. I used urathane mostly but in the six game using the iq red standing 25 going to 14 at the arrows was my best look. Great video. Thanks guys
excellent video! I just bowled on similar pattern but with longer oil and it was BRUTAL. guys with house shot averages of 230+ were shooting 160. I missed the cut by a little because the first 3 games, the lanes were super touchy just like in this video. it took me 3 games before i shot over 200. I was wondering how i should have played the lanes and this video confirms my thoughts. thanks Brad and Kyle! (btw the pattern was the state team masters pattern 38feet 28ml oil... HUGE hang spot if you sent it out past 7)
Ugh that pattern looks like bowling hell 🔥 lol
Great video,keep doing pattern videos cuz i shoot the pattern change leagues in the summer
Really cool video. Please if possible to add a little bit more info on wich type of surface you would normally use on X ball on these type of pattern. Thank you very much
I want to see if I'm thinking correctly. When Sydney starts to break down, would a ball move to something like a Web Tour be a consideration. I would think a solid, symmetrical with some natural surface like that would be a good look. Or am I way off base in my thinking?
Great stuff guys. Thanks!
How would you guys play a pattern that's short/dry in the middle with outsides being long oil?
Would you play it like how Brad thew the pitch black in the video? Or play within the center where it's dry with a low reactive/urethane ball? Thoughts...? 🙏
So then what about short pin balls? Wouldn’t that slow down the break down and help you score better? Even though it would make the lanes dry up instead of carry the oil you can stay with the same ball and migrate In. Am I wrong?
What is Brad's layout for the pitch black
my Cutting Edge Hybrid has aggressive midland traction with a backend hook the cover type is hybrid reactive. Also, I need to get a storm Pitch Black or Fever Pitch
could you throw a pearl asym and keeping the hand flat on this pattern?
Hi guys great input as always. Just a quick note. Note all bowlers are right handed. Maybe use a term like "playing hand side". Or something. Cheers!
We are using this shot for summer sport shot league, if using urethane, how much does surface matter? What should it be?
Congrats on Roth/Holman doubles finish. I was pulling a title for you guys. Like to see a video testing the Hammer Vibe holy Trinity: Cherry, Onyx & Blue. It just might sway me to buy a shirt or 2. Are they pre-shrunk cotton?
Keep sending the videos
This pattern is hard as hell but i have found an AMF Sumo with a maroon pad to be a perfect look playing directly up the 2 board. It eliminates hang on the gutter and yet I can find a extra board or 2 of hold. Also some of the real slow response particle balls like the La Nina are great on patterns like this as well. This is my highest scoring pattern in my sport league averaging 221 in the two weeks we bowled on it. How? I do not know.
What surface should I do for that pitch black? Super high?
Got any Don Johnson tips? regional qualifiers coming up soon in my area and that was the shot last year :)
Have you tried a 1000 grit solid assym like Code X or ripd solid to control it instead of using a more responsive idol?
What would you reccomend for a short pattern but with less than 10 ml of oil. I have been using a pin down tropical but cant seem to transition correctly. Any advice would be great.
Wanting to get a web tour to go into my bag. I have a lower rev rate, and I’m going to want something to be a ball down, but still has a smooth shape. Any suggestions?
Could you guys put down the Carmen Salvino 44 pattern and post a video on that?
Hey guys! Comment for Kyle. Dealing with a sciatica piriformis and it’s killing me to the point I can’t bowl anymore. I know Kyle had hip surgery, was curious if that was a symptom he had. Any recommendations on getting rid of it?
Is pattern on wood or synthetic in this video? What about plastic on this pattern.?
would you see these patterns in Sydney Australia? My spare ball is Urethane.
Bowling on this tonight on the same pair 😂
Is it best to throw urethane?
What's your ball speed?
You guys should do a video on scorpion
Bourbon Street pattern next?
Urethane helps all the time... not. But my Tropical Surge with some wrist technique I can do wonder, without messing up the lane. Urethane isn't everything mates, just saying. You should show some more versatility, perhaps using more different types of bowling balls (including Urethane), showing us that those low-mid range balls are useable as well to cover the board. Although a very good video, clear and informative!
Can you show a “out of bounds” shot what it looks like on these patterns
Bought a shim wrecker T shirt!
What house do you guys bowl out of?
@@BradandKyleBowl OK, my son and I went on a whirlwind college tour and those fingers on the wall looked familiar. I think he'll might end up there.
Can u guys do a video on the Tower of Pisa oil pattern, or maybe a really long and drawn-out pattern
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and what do you do if strathpine,aspley,caboolture and caloundra all have less volume and 10ft shorter than your sydney pattern, my urethane hooks just past the arrows and doesn't make anywhere near that length. I hate australian lanes they have totally ruined the game
This video maybe 2 years old but basically what your saying is throw either a purple hammer, or a part urethane ball
Ahh, Sydney...the pattern that tells you exactly who the floor dumpers are.
If you see anyone lofting the gutter cap on this pattern with an aggressive ball, you know that you're around a floor dumper. And I have seen A LOT of that on this pattern...
Sir Joelsuf what is floor dumper lol
BEAR pattern??
I disagree about the channel not hooking...Unless the pattern is over 40 feet, the channel can always hook, its just a matter of breaking down the oil the right way.
Whenever I bowl on this pattern I usually put a bunch of surface on my most aggressive ball (we're talking 360 or 180) and play up the channel during practice and NOTHING else. Yeah the first 5-7 frames of the first game kind of suck and I'll get lots of washouts and washout variations cuz it isn't broken down yet, but then the rest of the day it plays exactly like cheetah.
The problem is if you move pairs every game. In that case, I usually just take a really weak ball with a ton of polish on it, play out to 5 or so, and hope.
Smart lane play. Lots of surface and direct up the channel with a slow response ball is how to play it.
Crutch it dont use your hand to minipulate like norm does what would he know he only has 40 titles and grand slam of bowling need to be able to increase and decrease rev rate
Whats harder 800 set on that pattern or picking up 7 10. 🤣🤣🤣
Who's gonna ruin the 777 like count ???
4:31 I'm hearing pick your nose...