Alba 1A Shaper Fix
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- My shaper has always had a rattling sound deep inside and on various occasions a heart stopping clunk had me reaching for the stop button or clutch lever.
Not owning or able to find a maintenance manual/handbook for this machine I felt the time had come to dig out my old tool kit and sort it out. While I was about it I discovered where all the oil ports are. Other small issues that presented themselves also received a modicum of maintenance.
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I have just become the owner of a Royal 10” shaper, this video has been very useful in helping me better understand my machine!
What a wonderful video! Thank you
Cheers, thanks James.
Entertaining as always. Thankyou.
Thanks Peter.
Very well done as usual.
Hi, thanks I do like to put as much in as possible.
Attracted by the 'Alba shaper' for the simple reason in the 70s-80s there was an Alba shaper as an art exhibit in the metalwork room at school. In the 5+ years there, I think I only saw it in use once or possibly twice.
Nice video
Nice paint job
Nice maintenance of the machine. Although I'm wondering on gib adjustments.....I wondered about doing the ends first and the middle last on the basis that the middle is more likely to be worn - so put more of a loading on the gib ends rather than the middle !
Yeah. I had that decision, but I hadn’t got a Maintenance manual and I have only ever seen it done at work by the maintenance crews. they always started with the centre and moved outwards, so I figured what the hell… it works for me..
There was also an Alba 1A in one of our classrooms when I went to tech college in the mid 70s. I've had one of my own in my workshop for about 5 years now....lovely little machine.
My wife is a quilter, she heard you say that you " borrowed " a few parts from your wifes sewing machine...a look of sheer terror came over her face and see said that I am not allowed to watch any more of your videos for fear I will get a evil idea...LOL just kidding love your videos.
Thank you
Scott
Hi, yep, it cost me a few shillings to replace her old one. you can tell your wife the sewing machine was clapped out. so she can breath again.. 🤣cheers
Watched from start to finish, enjoyed the journey, deciphering previous half fixes. Superb overhaul and improvements. Thanks for the included tips. Best not forget the outstanding paintwork. Tony
Thanks tony. and you're right the paint won't be forgotten but it’ll soon get dirty like everything else.
You made a lovely job of that Paul, and the wife's paintwork looks a treat! I love your logical approach to improving the machine. At one time, I really thought these shapers, compared to other machinery were just too crude, but after watching you and others working shapers, I now trhink they are a thing of beauty, but it's amazing just how many have damaged bullwheels. anyway, I very much enjoyed this, cheers Dave
With the shear tool fitted it makes a good job, better.
Well, that was a riveting video. And thank you very much for mentioning my channel name :)
I made my oilers out of old brass handles. They work really well.
I don't know who is the person who repaired that shaper previous time, but I hope he/she will never touch a machine again.
Hi, I watch all of your videos and I always enjoy them, thanks. I also hope that the person that last put that shaper of mine together learned something about their own limitations.
The replacement Rocker is really strong, it has to be, because I’ve modified the belt system in the pedestal. The motor is 1/2 horse power stronger than the old one and twice as fast, but it has a new pulley modification (also in the pedestal) and has been geared down 3:1, so theres lots of power, Safety is built into the new pulley system by using a shear pin on the motor drive. So if i get something wrong the shock should break the shear pin not the machine……. thats the theory!
Cheers Paul
Excellent! This is my first visit to your channel but it won't be the last. Thank you!
Hi, thanks… loads more to come.
I have one of these, also with a broken gear knob, the school machines which many of these were, were fixed in the low gear to avoid crashes! Mine had the spring detent removed and a lokner screw fitted to lock the gear change shaft, which is perhaps how the knob got broken, Another absorbing watch!
Phil
One thing I do know about school/college equipment is that whatever you do to try reduce crashes, creates more opportunities to create bigger bangs. Anyway, at least one bunch of gears have plenty of life left in them…. if the bull gear or rocker arm hasn’t met with the crash of doom. but I’m sure you’re on top of it all.. all the best.
I went looking for videos on my own Alba just out of curiosity and found your video. It's very well done and I've certainly enjoyed your previous videos as well.
I had a minor clunk which I figured was due to the bottom pin in the yoke. Your video was a great aid in being able to play "find the pinch screw". I was reach up through the motor access door and loosen the pinch screw and permit me to knock the pin out towards the left side and remove it. Sure enough there was some slight wear. While it was out I used the bandsaw to add a slot to the left side of the pin so in the future, a couple of decades or more away I'm sure, I can rotate it another 30 degrees to the next good spot. The screw driver slot aiding in doing the twist and seeing the amount of turn.
Hi, thank you. Fantastic, I’m pleased you have managed to sort out your machine to keep it in top condition. A good idea for those having the same trouble.
many regards
Sorry I haven't had much time to come back and visit Paul, but this was a great vid and well videoed. I still use the method I was taught by my father some 58 years back on all restoration and tare downs. He was and an on & off shore A&P army mechanic from 1945-1954. Polio stopped his career in "54. He taught me the old N-S-E-West method the military used. This ment that no matter where a piece (like an engine, trans, e-motor, ect) was to be disassembled you would use the work spaces (or open field space) polar direction. For example, my Klopp450 was off loaded into our shop with the rear of the shaper facing the blgs north wall. To my right west true west, my left was true east, and the shapers bed (or front) was true south. All parts are then are bagged and tag accordingly. This may sound confusing at first, but when the piece of equipment is massive and working space is limited, this works well. I also find for smaller parts that egg cartons make great ways to mark and store them for reassemble. Will when on to long, but thought I share. Have a safe and warm winter,,Bear in TX.
Thats a good idea. Mind you, as far as egg boxes go.. we have a bird that loves to chomp on egg boxes. So thats out of the question, but I do like the N,E,S,W, way of thinking… cheers
Nice Job, Well done 👍👍👍👍 at 1996/97 last time i'd work with a shaping maschine. Good old technology. Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹
G’day good to here from the southern hemisphere again.
I'm never "disappointed" with your videos! Thank you!
Hi you are welcome.
Tell the wife great paint job. For me a shaper is as important as the lathe for a home machine shop. I’am going to subscribe.
Hi, I’ve already thanked her and so have many others. :-)
Very ....VERY nice..Well done.....
Hi, thanks. Cheers.
Excellent video Paul , I'm already looking forward to your next video ☺️☺️🇮🇪☘️
Hi Les, thanks, cheers.
I have a Alba 1A shaper and your video has proved extremely useful to me for future possible strip downs and or repair, refurbishment or maintenance. Thanks for an excellent informative video.
Hi, thanks for your kind comments.
I love your reality statements about springs etc. Many say that's negative thinking, I say its experience and no amount of positive thinking will change it. Murphy's law is alive and well. My wife says Im a negative old bastard but I can only agree with the old :)
I agree with you about murphy’s law I also believe in sods law.
Sod’s law = If it can go wrong it will
Murphy’s law = if it shouldn’t go wrong it will
ATB
I used to have an Alba 1A. Mine had a factory fitted bronze slider block. They must have changed the design at some point.
It was the most fun to run machine I've ever had but I sadly had to pass it on as I needed the space and it was being used very occasionally.
I used a Reilang oiler to lubricate all the oil ports when running the machine. It always had pools of oil on it which made keeping it clean a pain but on the flip side, it had very little wear and no rust at all despite passing through at least 3 owners before me. I think your large capacity oilers are nice but unnecessary and are only are going to exacerbate the oil puddle problem.
Hi, these dead loss lube systems are messy but, I believe too much oil is better than not enough.
The catch tray below serves as my anti rust supply, I use it to clean and coat many of my painted and none painted surfaces and it's also mixed with a little paraffin so can I use it as cutting lube.
Cheers
Just come across your channel. Thoroughly enjoyable.. thank you Now to catch up on all of your work. 👍👍
Hi, thanks for watching. I hope you enjoy the rest.
Cheers
Looking forward to the new handle build 😀
Cheers
Hi, I’m on it…
Cheers
Thank you. Very much enjoyed this.
Hi, thank you.
Thank you Paul. Appreciated your great presentation and all the details. I refurbished my Elliot 10M shaper which looks very similar to yours; did I read somewhere that they were related? I had to make a new slider block and file parallel the ram to fit. That went a long way to making the motion smoother. I think the issue was lack of lubrication in its prior school setting. Look forward to seeing more of your videos when I have time. Clive.
Hi, yes Elliot bought the Alba brand quite a long time ago. Cheers
Thank you Paul for a very thorough, informative, educational and enjoyable video. I definitely have shaper envy. Andrew 👏👏👍😀
Thanks Andrew, I’ve got to earn some brownie points now before I can go back into the workshop..
Great job Paul! The machine looks great! If ya keep using ya wife's sewing machine parts you'll have to buy her a new one lol
Did that already, otherwise I’d be missing a few fingers,...
@@Thesheddweller Paul, I think you should convert what's left of the sewing machine to a die filer of sorts. Maybe a keyway cuter?
Hi, don’t want to loose my fingers. ;-)
@@Thesheddweller I did mean the old sewing machine from which you've been robing bits. If there's anything left, that is?
Excellent work specially the painting
Hi Gr eg, thanks.
Well done and awesome video, love the humor !
ATB from the USA
-Dean
Hi, thanks,… glad you enjoy a little humor.
For humor, I quite like ‘This Old Tony’
ATB
Excellence work and explain
Hi, thank you. Cheers
Hi Paul
Great Video
I dropped on to you from Neil at Nell's Mech Mancave, iv'e sub'd and bell'd you and will take a look at your other video's as time permits.
I know exactly where your coming from when you said about working on machines passed there sell by date, i experienced this phenomenom from being an apprentice in the erly 70's till working my way up the ladder years later, but like you say a good machinist knows his machine no matter how well worn, to produce a accurate finished article.! Many hobbyist new to machining think what you turn on a dial should produce the finished article, but it's not always the case!!!
Anyway i'm glad i found you and will watch with interest at what you get up to
take care
Kev
Very true.. thanks, Cheers
Good job sir! Maybe adding some oil scrapers to the dovetail on the ramp?
HI, thats an Idea. Cheers.
Lovely little shaper, its similar to the Elliott m10 that I have. So useful and underrated by so many
Hi, The Ellliot 10 is the younger sibling of the Alba 1A and indeed uses many of the same components as the Alba. Alba ceased trading and Elliot took over the company and made the same shaper but better, and called it the Elliot 10.
Fantastic!! Thank you.
Hi Mike, thanks
That was a good video Paul, I have the same machine awaiting reassembly, i have worked on these little shapers in fitting shops making Keys mainly and they are surprisingly accurate.
Don't forget that if you drop the table you must un pinch the bolt connecting the feed arm and retighten it when table adjustment is complete, some shapers the gear housing rotates slightly. I have also seen shapers running backwards (the return stroke should be quicker than the cut stroke) easily spotted on a long stroke. You will not be disappointed with the little alba, looking forward to more videos. Thanks for sharing Paul
And just remember you can make any thing on a shaper, Except money!
Hi, very true.
Lovely shaper and great video ☺️👍
Hi, thank you.
Very entertaining video and a mighty fine rebuild, will be looking forward to your using it and proving it, cheers!
Hi, I am looking forward to using it in anger too because, Ive been asked to make a quite large transfer mould for making new suspension components for minicars. that will really test it.
Thank You for this, very talented.
Hi, thank you.
Great to see the Alba again, and the back of that horrid metallic green Hammerite. This will be a useful resource for other restorers. I like the way the replacement yoke has been made, simple but effective, it was the yoke that had failed on the donor machine that we both had parts from. The oilers are good, I need to make some for the Elliot.
Hi tony, I hope you and your family are still well. Have you done any more to your workshop since we met.
I’ve just got to make a video on the handle next using old scrap parts. I actually striped the shaper down and photographed most of the components.
I might turn them into graphics and make a little booklet on this shaper to post is on the web…..might… i’m very busy so i might not have time…. we’ll see. ATB
@@Thesheddweller That would be a worthwhile exercise. I am learning to hand scrape and working on a variable stroke power scraper conversion from a reciprocating saw.
@@tonyray91 I had a reciprocating saw burn out once and I saw the potential for a power scraper too.. But its still lying in bits somewhere in the shed …. I think.
the only thing I thought needed changing, apart from the motor, was the length of stroke from 25mm to 8mm and a variable motor drive. The saw blades when reground, would have made a great scraper blade even if they would have needed dressing regularly. have fun. Cheers
Perfect job!
Thank's for that. I'm going to have to do pretty much the same to my own Alba 1A soon (apart from painting). Like your views on adjusting the gibs.
Hi Alan. It’s not a scientific or even the official way to do it, but it’s worked for me since I’ve had my own machines. In the past if I fancied a coffee break I would get maintainance to do it for me….
If I fancied a long coffee break I would dowse everything in oil first.
Hey up Paul! Many thanks for a great video. I'm on the look out for a small shaper myself... just a soon as I've saved up enough pounds to pacify my finance director (you know who.... Wifey!) who just doesn't understand the need for keeping these beautiful old machines working. I've watched all you videos and I fully appreciate the time and effort that you put into, not onlt the work, but filming it all and then editing it and narrating it all. Your efforts are very much appreciated and you're a great teacher. Many thanks for sharing. Greetings from Southport. Cheers, Kevin.
Hi Kevin, I have to pacify my finace director with a little used currency called “Brownie points” the only problem with this currency is that no matter how many brownie points you’ve earned you can loose the lot on one simple "Feux par”
Regards
I have a Elliott 10M. Now I know how to remove the tool slide (i.e. turn it upside down). Mine is tight on the swivel pin and needs to come off for a clean but I could not get it off. Now I can. Thanks.
Hi, glad you found the video useful. cheers
Very well done! I love seeing the (The boss says) Get it back up and running ASAP! repairs!
Hi, I think it may also be true of many industries. Regards
looks good well done it turned out nice
Hi thanks.
Great video. Feel free to come and give my 1A the same treatment.
Tempting,…. very tempting.. :-)
That's a job well done! That must have been a lot of work, and I must say I really like the new colours. You mentioned your motorcycle collection, do you have any videos of that? All the best from Holland!
I don’t have any videos of my motorcycles, I have three. one is a 1986 Honda GL1200 that I rescued from a barn in the north of England. Another other is a 2010 Honda Deouville 700, my wife rides that one. and I have a 2013 BMW R1200RT that I throw about every chance I get.
@@Thesheddweller Rescuing old stuff from barns is the best Paul. I am currently working on a Lexus I saved from the scrapyard (some videos on my channel), but this afternoon it was sunny out, so I hopped on my motorcycle too.
10:10 Good grief ! You've won an award ! First machining YT video I've seen where the chuck guard has been in place.
The trouble is, I don't know whether the award is for good behaviour or stupidity. I'm in the large group of people who aren't fans of chuck guards.
Hi, its not a chuck guard….. it’s an emergency switch.. regards
@@Thesheddweller Odd, it looks like a chuck guard ;)
Wonderful video and very inspiring. Your calm demeanour is certainly an antidote to stress. This is exactly the size of shaper I'm after too, are there others I should be keeping an eye out for?
Hi, There is the Elliot 10M, made using some of the same parts as the Alba 1A, Acto super, Prema and Royal Viceroy are about the only ones I can think of. cheers
I also forgot the atlas.
I am having trouble translating "greaseproof paper" from British to American. A search turned up a couple of things, waxed paper being the more common. Is that correct? And if so why did you use that instead of so many other alternatives?
Hi Mark, sorry, its like thick white semi opaque tracing paper that is used in baking, we call it grease proof paper because, butter or cooking fats can’t penatrate it and it's about 0.05mm thick (0.002”). It doesn’t crush and it remains fairly stable as thin gadget, I haven’t any shim stock less that 0.10mm (0.004”) thats why I used that. sorry about the confusion.
Besides, it’s cheaper and my wife says it keeps me away from her sewing machine…;-D
Mark, just guessing but I think parchment paper would do the trick..
-Dean
Hi, i do have a operators manual and parts list for the Alba 1A, pictures look pretty much the same as your's. Mine is a much older line shaft version of the 1A, but internals are similar to the later version. I also have a manual of the Elliot 10m which shares some design details with the 1A. If you want a copy, just drop me an email, address is in the credits of recent videos
Hi Dynoguy, Thanks for your offer it is very much appreciated. However, I also have both of these manuals, the manual I was searching for is the maintenance manual. I was primarily looking for the best resetting practice and to see if the machine had any special needs for strip down and reassembly (most of which i stumbled across), this information is not readily available and is not mentioned in the literature I own. Cheers.
heard once that you can make anything with a sharper except money
That's a relief, cos I've never made money in my life, it would be a shame to start now. Cheers 😂