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  • Опубликовано: 20 дек 2024

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  • @Rustinox
    @Rustinox Год назад +10

    Good one, Max. The "chatter marks" you show at 30:00 could come from hard spots in the material after flame cutting or welding. The video shows different finishes in the top surface where the plates are welded. On my shaper I have the same results.

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад +5

      It will be different where the weld is . I think there is some excessive play somewhere . Time to investigate ! 👍

  • @outsidescrewball
    @outsidescrewball 11 месяцев назад +2

    Enjoyed….awesome bench also

  • @daviddunbar5754
    @daviddunbar5754 11 месяцев назад +2

    When I was 14 years of age I made I scribing block on the shaper at school. I still have it and it's not too bad. I was going to surface grind the bottom face but ran out of school workshop time. These machines are so versatile , enjoy yours.

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  11 месяцев назад

      Thanks . I still use my Great Grandfathers also my Dads scribing blocks ! 👍

  • @billythebake
    @billythebake Год назад +5

    G'day from Brookhaven Mississippi, USA!
    Have been driving a truck the last couple of years, and not seen much of your channel - was very pleased when this popped into my feed today
    New shop is looking excellent; you should be well pleased with it
    Look forward to seeing the next installment on the project here

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад

      Thanks . Hey , we have to odd one or two trucks here as well !
      Here is a link to one of my earlier videos when i was working up North of Western Australia . Cheers 👍 ruclips.net/video/A3ztXz4c-PM/видео.html .

  • @TheAyrCaveShop
    @TheAyrCaveShop 11 месяцев назад +2

    G'day Max, I'm a bit late on commenting.. Angle plate is coming along nicely.
    Thanks for the tip on T-nuts, makes sense haven't heard that mentioned before.
    Have an awesome New Year !
    Cheers...

  • @bulletproofpepper2
    @bulletproofpepper2 Год назад +2

    Your shop is working out nicely. We into winter so you should be getting into summer. Great project thanks for sharing, Max!

  • @mickocallaghan4896
    @mickocallaghan4896 Год назад +6

    the chatter marks i reckon are from the bull gear thats why they look even ,you never get those type of marks on a hydraulic shaper.i run a shaper similar to yours its a seba 600 and i spent hours trying to eliminate said pattern,you will find it only happens on light to medium cuts not really visible on heavier cuts.a very sharp shear tool will help no end on improving finish..

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад +3

      Thanks . A shear tool would help i think . I am going to go over the machine soon & check every thing out . 👍

    • @ericpatterson3887
      @ericpatterson3887 Год назад +2

      I was thinking the same thing. The consistency of the marks suggests something in the drive line, be it the bull gear or the eccentric actuating arm (or whatever it's called, I think of an eccentric type setup when I see those mechanical shapers for some reason). It could be in the tool head or the sliding head or the clapper box for that matter, but I think your right that it is in the internal drive line somewhere. It would probably be a good idea to use a spacer in the lantern too. I know Adam Booth always uses a spacer in the tool holder lantern, instead of just tightening down directly on the tool. 👍

  • @MattysWorkshop
    @MattysWorkshop 11 месяцев назад +2

    Top job Max, have a good new years mate

  • @mathewritchie
    @mathewritchie 11 месяцев назад +2

    All the soft woods are conifers broad leaf flowering trees are classed as hard woods even balsa.

    • @ianmoone2359
      @ianmoone2359 11 месяцев назад +1

      I was tempted to say exactly this.
      Hardwoods & Softwoods is determined by how the tree reproduces.
      Hardwoods through flowers nuts & seeds, & softwoods by cones & spores.
      Jarrah is a hardwood because it has nuts & seeds.
      Balsa is one of the least dense (ie hard) Timbers there is but is classified as a hardwood because it reproduces by flowers nuts and seeds.
      There are some quite dense (hard) softwoods here downunder as well.
      Our local coastal sheoke is almost 2/3rds as hard as Max’s Jarrah hardwood bench top, but is classified as a softwood again because it reproduces by cones and spores.
      If only I knew as much about metal. 😜😂😂

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  11 месяцев назад

      That's why i don't work with wood , it splits even if i look at it & can't weld the bloody stuff back together ! 👍

    • @ianmoone2359
      @ianmoone2359 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@swanvalleymachineshop You did a really nice job on that table slab, looks great. 👍👍

  • @hilltopmachineworks2131
    @hilltopmachineworks2131 11 месяцев назад +2

    Good stuff. I need to make a large set for my HBM at some point.

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  11 месяцев назад +1

      Cheers Tom . I guess when you need them , you need them ! Making my ones , just in case . 👍

  • @TedRoza
    @TedRoza Год назад +4

    G'day Max. Lots of Do's & Don't remarks, but because I know pretty well Nothing about shapers, I can say Job Well done.
    You have different hardness in your angle plate giving different facial readings, but ... chips are still flying whether horizontally or virtually.
    Amazing the difference between Carbide & Tool Steel Cutting tools.
    Overall a Great video, it's good to see you slowly using the various machines in the shop.
    Have a Prosperous & Great New Year to You & Yours for 2024

  • @jonsworkshop
    @jonsworkshop 11 месяцев назад +2

    Hi Max, hope you had a great Christmas, and HNY to you and yours. If you are still in the roughing stages, get a load of DTI's set up onto your table (perpendicular to moving axes) and take a few cuts. I am with you that this is harmonic looking at the shape of the marks. Measuring any flex/bounce before you strip down will help you home in on where the attention is needed. I had very similar on mine following the rebuild, I just threw some stock in, had DTI's scanning all 3 axes and made iterative tweaks to the Gibs between each cut watching for the difference. The cross slide was main the offender on mine. Cheers, Jon

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  11 месяцев назад

      Cheers Jon . I am going to make the base for it & get it all solidly bolted down , start from the basics ! 👍

  • @terrycannon570
    @terrycannon570 Год назад +2

    Max I love those taps. About all I use any more.

  • @bobvines00
    @bobvines00 11 месяцев назад +2

    Max, if your shaper isn't hard-mounted to the floor, could that be one of the reasons for the "badger's ass" surface finishes you were getting in this video?

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  11 месяцев назад +1

      It may contribute . It is going to get bolted down next . 👍

  • @johnlee8231
    @johnlee8231 Год назад +1

    i always assumed you finisned these off camera a while back. Glad we get to come along with the finish of these.

  • @ElmerJFudd-oi9kj
    @ElmerJFudd-oi9kj Год назад +2

    The bench is a beaute mate, quite a looker! happy new year to ya.

  • @CraigLYoung
    @CraigLYoung Год назад +3

    Thanks for sharing 👍 love the shaper action 😅

  • @kentuckytrapper780
    @kentuckytrapper780 Год назад +2

    Great video max, keep'um coming..

  • @1ginner1
    @1ginner1 Год назад +2

    Hi Max, Happy new year. You are going to have some fun with this bugger. As far as I can see you have 3 possible sources for the poor finish, 1: flex in the clapperbox, 2: wear in the ram, 3: wear in the knee, all of which will mean giving the scraper another runnout. Looking forward to the progress. Best wishes, Mal.

    • @tas32engineering
      @tas32engineering Год назад +1

      Never saw a shaper in use when under the thump. Great internals with oil bath. Great for taking corners out.

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад

      I think i will be looking into it before i continue with the angle plates . Good a time as any . 👍

  • @MatthewRulla
    @MatthewRulla Год назад +1

    Love the Jarrah bench tops. Wish I could source that wood here in the USA.

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад

      It is really nice timber , as long as you don't have to try & hammer a nail in it ! Along time ago it was the standard construction timber , but now days it's pine . 👍

  • @barrycaudle9926
    @barrycaudle9926 Год назад +1

    Hi Max , back in the old days I used to like no top rake but generous side rake on the tool. This was for mild and tool steel.

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад

      Thanks . I will have to find some 3/4 tool blanks with specific grinds for that machine . 👍

  • @acmemachining
    @acmemachining Год назад +3

    Great Job Max. That Shaper seems like a good machine to have. Happy New Year.

  • @willemvantsant5105
    @willemvantsant5105 Год назад +1

    Hi Max, Jarrah is getting scarce now, we cut too many trees destined for railway sleepers, shameful.
    I have a Piper live centre on my small lathe, Aussie Quality.
    I have a Stellite 1/2" drill, drilled a hole through a flat file at max speed on my DP, hole size was exact, lots of fireworks drilling it and no damage to drill bit.

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад

      Thanks . I think Stellite would be hard to find now days . I have a good stash of jarrah from when i used to play around slabbing the stuff . 👍

    • @willemvantsant5105
      @willemvantsant5105 Год назад

      Hi Max, Stellite welding rods are about 200 dollars aud a kilo up here in Philippines, wonder if you could hard face a shaper tool with them, I know my brother used satellite tig rods for hard facing chain saw bar tips.

  • @Randysshop
    @Randysshop Год назад +2

    Hi Max the new bench top and shelves look really good. Happy Newyears. Cheers

  • @clemkadiddlehopper7705
    @clemkadiddlehopper7705 8 месяцев назад +1

    I wish there was a shop around me that had old conventional tools like you have. Nothing but CNC around here, and trying to learn code infuriates me. I miss being able to actually put my hands on the components of the machines while I'm using them.

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  8 месяцев назад

      No worries . CNC is not in my wheel house , never used one . We were taught a bit of NC stuff as apprentices . 👍

  • @jonfranklin4583
    @jonfranklin4583 Год назад +3

    In the audio you can hear what sounds like a fairly high speed low knocking noise. Possibly that could be putting a vibration into the ram? In looking at the second cut you did the marks are fairly close together so I thought maybe that noise was causing those marks, just a wild ass guess! Enjoy your content and look forward to more!

  • @garyrhodes7089
    @garyrhodes7089 Год назад +1

    Thanks for posting I always enjoy your content just a small comment you should put a little plastic plug in the angle lock nut on your Kurt vice it keeps the chips out the screw and it only takes 10 minutes

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  11 месяцев назад

      I noticed that the other day , it normally faces away from me on the milling machine ! 👍

  • @paulcurtis2779
    @paulcurtis2779 Год назад +1

    Thank you Max. Hope you had a wonderful Christmas. Happy Happy New Year to you and your family.

  • @tinkeringtim7999
    @tinkeringtim7999 9 месяцев назад +1

    Makes extensive use of analogy/similie to the rectum of a badger. Perhaps a side-by-side comparison photo would help for those of us less familiar with badger anatomy...

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  9 месяцев назад

      Lol , you would have to google that one ! 👍

    • @tinkeringtim7999
      @tinkeringtim7999 9 месяцев назад

      @@swanvalleymachineshop If I go looking for that, the Internet is going to start suggesting some stuff that can't be unseen. Then, someone will use my phone to search for something, and there will be an advert for a (wipe clean) realistic badger anus toy, and I will never live it down.

  • @DudleyToolwright
    @DudleyToolwright 11 месяцев назад +1

    Always interesting. Thanks Max and Happy New Year!

  • @billdoodson4232
    @billdoodson4232 Год назад +1

    Really don't have any knowledge of shapers, long, long time since i used one at college. Just a thought on the marking on the surfaces, you can hear the gear drive while the machine is running. I wonder if the drive pinion is worn in comparison to the main gear and this is translating to the slight shudder in the cutting tool. It will be interesting to see what you find during the refurb. Maybe make a new pinion to suit the wear on the main gear.

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад +1

      There is something out of adjustment , will find out soon . Cheers 👍

  • @ericpatterson3887
    @ericpatterson3887 Год назад +2

    Max, I just remembered, Adam Booth also recommended fileing a chamfer on the leading edge of your work piece, as well as the other end too to help keep vibrations down on the tool and to keep from getting chip outs on the edges, but for sure a chamfer on the leading edge sounds like a good idea to me. When he did it he didn't put a huge chamfer, just a half dozen strokes or so with the file. The type of material your working with would probably make a difference on how much of a chamfer to use. 👍 Cheers mate! E PS: let me know if you could use some help finding some mo max Cobalt tooling blanks, be glad to help brother!

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад

      The chamfer helps , it's done on cast iron to stop chipping the iron . I think i have one small bit of Mo max & one of Rex 95 . 3/4 tool steel is what fits my machine , hard to get here . 👍

  • @RalfyCustoms
    @RalfyCustoms Год назад +2

    G'day Max and happy Christmas bud, hope you all had a great one
    Really enjoy the shaper vids, could you explain cut and stroke setup one time?
    Have a great one 👍

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад +1

      Thanks Ralfy . All went well here ! You will see the cut & stroke when i pull it apart soon . Have a great New Year ! Cheers 👍

  • @ianmoone2359
    @ianmoone2359 11 месяцев назад +1

    Dunno what it is about shaper videos Max, I must be an “easily suggestible type”, probably a good hypnotism subject, because yours and Abom79’s shaper videos, I can’t stay awake to watch through, I always nod off in the chair & wake up 3 or videos later, wondering “what happened, where am I?” 😜😂
    Often I have to go back and watch them again from wherever I nodded off, to see how they ended up. 🤷‍♂️
    Mostly it’s shaper videos that get me every time.
    Keep up the good work, always interesting, always learning something even if it’s just what the insides of my eye lids look like when I’m asleep. 😂😂

  • @rodolfocastillo8025
    @rodolfocastillo8025 10 месяцев назад +1

    Its good to punch the lower ends of T-nut thread, in order to avoid holding bolts going thru, so it won't make contact with table..

  • @ericpatterson3887
    @ericpatterson3887 Год назад +1

    Max, hey brother, good video. I hate to bring up Adam Booth again, but I've watched a lot of his shaper content and have learned a good bit by doing so. I'm not a machinist, but I watched him take his precision flat stones and after grinding his tool (I noticed he uses a lot of the mo max Cobalt for a lot of his tooling for the shaper, less vibration I think) be places his precision flat stone on the work or flat surface of the vice, and lowers the tool head to alittle above the stone, takes a piece of paper and lays it on the stone tnen lifts the clapper box and then brings the tool down onto the stone with the papers width between the stone and the tool and gauges the tool height to just a little higher than the clapper being completely down but touching the paper then he removes the paper and then hones the tooling with the stone moving it back and forth against the tooling. I think the tooling when he is honeing it is just shy of having the clapper completely down. Not sure. But his finishes he gets is really sharp looking, looks great. He has shown a book or magazine on a couple of his shaper vids that show a number of different tool grinds. If you contact him he might send you some of that info if your interested. I don't know his email off hand, but I can get it if you want. I know he uses Instagram a lot, it's Abom79 or some derivative of that. Thanks for the great video Max. Hope you and your family are having a great holiday season! Greetings from Phoenix Arizona, USA, cheers mate! Sincerely, Eric, a fellow southpaw.

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад

      Thanks . I have watched his video's . I have to find some dedicated tool blanks for that machine . 👍

  • @eyuptony
    @eyuptony Год назад +2

    Nice one Max. ATB....Tony

  • @silverbullet7434
    @silverbullet7434 11 месяцев назад +1

    Happy New Year

  • @edkeniston4786
    @edkeniston4786 Год назад +1

    Great work as usual! You’re making me wish I had my shaper up and running. Happy New Year!

  • @deanmoser5907
    @deanmoser5907 11 месяцев назад +1

    Awsome video again Max.

  • @dutchgray86
    @dutchgray86 11 месяцев назад +1

    That old tool is probably welded HSS on the end, though they were made with Stellite and other material cutting tips, its just far more were made with HSS.
    You can still get them, they are still made but are expensive, in most cases it wouldbe cheaper to buy a new HSS blank. Much better to buy them used, often see them mixed into lots of brazed carbide tools as not that many people know what they are, or search for welded or brazed HSS tools.

  • @gordonfrank
    @gordonfrank 9 месяцев назад +1

    Noticed you use coolant on your bandsaw. Is it worth the mess? My saw has coolant cabability, but I've never used it. Like the Jarrah wood bench top.

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  9 месяцев назад

      I have always used coolant with saws esp with larger cuts . I do think it is worth it . Cheers

  • @RicktheRecorder
    @RicktheRecorder 11 месяцев назад +1

    Other than to test the shaper, why would you prefer this method over a fly-cutter or large end-mill, and then grinding?

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  11 месяцев назад

      Once it's all roughed out , i want the shaper tool marks in the finish cut . They look good . 👍

  • @inmyshedwithbc.
    @inmyshedwithbc. Год назад +1

    Hello Max. A lot of the finish problem is the material type. I have the same problem. A suggestion is to try less tool stick out and angle the shaving tool edge to 45 deg to direction of travel. Good video. BC

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад

      Cheers Bernie . The tools were pretty well as short as i could go , the ram was only just clearing the job ! Further investigation will be required . 👍

    • @inmyshedwithbc.
      @inmyshedwithbc. 11 месяцев назад

      Hello again. I use lock or Wilton tool holders as they are meaty and you can use smaller tool bits. BC

  • @Darkrif1957
    @Darkrif1957 Год назад +1

    Thanks Max for another very interesting vid ,Merry Christmas and happy New year to you and family and friends👍👍

  • @grahamsengineering.2532
    @grahamsengineering.2532 Год назад +1

    Merry Christmas Max and Happy New Year.

  • @alandawson2813
    @alandawson2813 Год назад +1

    Another awesome video Max, Thank you.
    From kiwi land

  • @TrPrecisionMachining
    @TrPrecisionMachining Год назад +1

    good job friend Max

  • @stovepipe666
    @stovepipe666 11 месяцев назад +1

    looking good max happy new year to you keep at it

  • @tas32engineering
    @tas32engineering Год назад +1

    Shapers not used in naval dockyard. But corner cutting there's no better machine.
    Definitely wear pattern. Great internal moving parts shot, that ram can really take a big cut. HNY 😮

  • @mathewritchie
    @mathewritchie 11 месяцев назад +1

    So a gudgeon pin is a quick and dirty cylinder square?

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  11 месяцев назад

      Yes . They are ground to a close tolerance & are square . Good enough for most jobs . 👍

  • @PhotogNT
    @PhotogNT Год назад +1

    Just curious and this maybe a stupid noob question, are those sides finished as they are or would you put the angle plate on a surface grinder?
    Sorry if this is a dumb question, I am just learning a bit of hobby machining since retirement.

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад +2

      The sides are only rough machined . Finish cuts i will do last in the shaper . I have a good size surface grinder but it is not up & running yet . 👍

  • @alanremington8500
    @alanremington8500 Год назад +1

    Thanks Max !!

  • @Warped65er
    @Warped65er Год назад +1

    Nice vid., and Good New Year to you.

  • @joell439
    @joell439 Год назад +1

    Happy new year Max - Cheers 🍻

  • @SoBoring136
    @SoBoring136 Год назад +1

    Have a good Christmas Max

  • @Unrivaledanime
    @Unrivaledanime Год назад +1

    Hi Max I’m no expert but I do play one on the RUclips comment section lol I think the chatter is due to the low height of the vise jaws with the jacks on one end you may not have enough support
    Thanks Max Happy New Year

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад

      I think there is some movement in the machine somewhere . The job is rock solid in the vice but i can feel something through the table . 👍

  • @JBFromOZ
    @JBFromOZ Год назад +1

    Another great vid amazing thanks

  • @be007
    @be007 Год назад

    Happy New Year max.
    cheers ben.

  • @tiredoldmechanic1791
    @tiredoldmechanic1791 Год назад +3

    I'm curious to find out how you know how smooth a badger's ass is. Then again, maybe it's better not to know that.

  • @cyclebuster
    @cyclebuster Год назад +1

    how many hp is the shaper?

    • @swanvalleymachineshop
      @swanvalleymachineshop  Год назад

      It's not marked on the tag . Looks to be about the size of a 5 hp . 👍

  • @trevorjones4463
    @trevorjones4463 Год назад +1

    Hi Max trevor her the old bloke I did my apprenticeship with would flog you with the file if you draged it back 😂😂

  • @glennmoreland6457
    @glennmoreland6457 11 месяцев назад +1

    Good

  • @simpleman283
    @simpleman283 Год назад +1

    👍

  • @antunvojnic879
    @antunvojnic879 11 месяцев назад +1

    Ugao od npr. 90,00 nakon godinu-dve dana neće opstati ako niste prethodno odžarili radni komad radi uklanjanja unutrašnjih napona u zavarenom komadu.

  • @mark111943
    @mark111943 Год назад +2

    I am a WA boy and have no idea what a badger’s arse feels like! 🦡
    Never did any kind of metalwork at school (I have very low vision and I think the idea scared them although the woodworking teacher was happy to have me) or an occupation but I always file like you do. Assume I picked it up as a kid from my dad or brother….

  • @jdmccorful
    @jdmccorful Год назад +2

    Lookin good Max! Happy New Years to you and family.