Removing the drysump made it loose the P in the P65. You converted a great Motorport engine to a stroked S65. The drysump is what makes it a race engine.
I agree I'm sure the team would of looked at a stroked engine but decided potentially too many unknowns , this is an official engine previously owned by another great motoring establishment, if they want in the future dry sump can be added back too but I do agree its lost abit of uniqueness with some of these changes.
It’s a flat plane crank so has different crank, cams, firing order etc. It’s still very different to an s65 but likely will loose some power with wet sump and oem style intake.
Removed the Dry sump....... At this point just use the stock engine add cams and stroker kit would of been cheaper. Also missed opportunity to design and Fab a intake system to work with the GT3 intake.
There are some custom engine builds of flat-plane converted S65's as well as couple other crazy people having swapped the P65. Amazing, rare engine, though, congrats on scoring one, as BMW don't sell them to privateers, and getting them from race teams are the only way, hence the price.
Very cool project. I'm a bit surprised the engine doesn't have a flat-plane crankshaft, but then it probably wouldn't be a P65, but rather something altogether different. This project is yet another example of Evolve setting the bar ever higher. Well done, guys. I can't wait to hear this beast on the road.
Guys, what's up with that? You take one of the best naturally aspirated engines in the motorsport sector and remove the dry sump. Wasn't the right-hand drive known beforehand? Was the crankshaft bearing track measured during the conversion? Or did you just install the bedplate from another engine? Respect, no fucking way. I know exactly what I'm talking about, I drive a P65 in my M3e92 ;-)
@@Alpinabit No it wasn't known. The car is not a track car so dry sump is not necessary for our use case. Yes everything was measured by our engine builder. Just not shown in the time lapse. It's amazing how so many people are butt hurt about the dry sump being removed in what primarily is a road car that will see some track work without slicks.
Very interesting Imran ! I didn't know the P65 is a crossplane crank. I thought it was similar to the P60 but it seems as if the engine is based on the S65. I would love to have a P60 and install it in my CSL 🙂
I DON'T WHAT IT IS ABOUT A 1M they just have their own little unique look about them, wish i had the time to go to SEMA i have friends from Winnipeg where we live go every year, for their business, it would be cool, i can hardly wait to see this green machine on the Dyno later on 👍
Please don't remove the dry sump setup, it's such a poser move to put a race engine in a street car and removing one of the things that makes it a reliable race engine.
I think many of you are forgetting that P65’s are flatplane cranks… so it’d not just stroked and cammed without the dry sump and intake… Though I do agree, should have kept them intact but I know they want it road going so need A/C, ect.
I'm confused. How was the lower engine block replaced without line honing as a whole? I see he took some measurements with some verniers and replaced the main bearings... Is this not asking for trouble?
The bedplate self aligns extremely accurately on the S65 and many other BMW engines. It would be very unusual to line hone, unless you were using a mismatched block and bedplate combo.
The bed plate was machined for the dry sump setup so this almost brought the whole project to a grinding halt. After some research and speaking with industry contacts BMW Motorsport appear to sell a dry sump kit for the S65 which includes a bed plate (very possibly this exact kit we removed). The fact BMW sell that gave Mr VANOS the idea to try an S65 bed plate that hasn’t been machined. After checking all tolerances and clearances, ensuring the engine turns over etc he was happy with the results meaning we could move forward with the project. Time will tell but it seems to be running well so far.
Basically removed everything that made it a P65 and choked it back to little more than a stroked S65. I truly don't understand, and it feels a bit half-assed for Evolve. Very cool nonetheless, and we all have opinions after all.
Hi Imran, blocks and new lower crank girdle/upper sump(?) are usually line bored so a machined pair, swapping a new half can make the main bearing bores out of spec and oval, did you check dimensions and clearance?
Quite sad that you removed the dry sump. Curious as to how the engine will perform, and live, without the robust oiling as well as the racecar’s unrestricted intake and exhaust systems
We along with Mr VANOS consulted various experts including Arrow Motorsport Technical on the effects of removing the dry sump setup. Unfortunately due to being a RHD car the steering rack would hit the dry sump connections meaning it just wouldn’t happen.
First video I’ve seen here. Impressive swap and I enjoyed the detailed but short format video. Is there a reason for remove the dry sump setup? Thanks👍
I don’t normally like to talk negatively on people’s builds but I’m watching this and thinking what is the point? Considering the cost/rarity of the engine and what it is and then to remove the dry sump set up and intake just makes the whole exercise pointless imo.
My point too but it usually concerns vehicles like mk4 cortinas , Ford pops and rubbish cars like that where enthusiastic owners have fitted Chevy v8 moters between the rails they in turn become death traps . Only my opinion as a retire mechanic that build lots of modified cars and repaired neglected junk cars so their owner could drive to work
Why imran you did put p65 engine on a road car and make it the most intersting video i have ever seen, why you didnt stroker the s65 and make a normal video why? 😂. This thing is amazing thank you
As always, it's an excellent build. I read in the comments below that the dry sump had to go because it is RHD. But if it was LHD, would it be okay? Also, as you mentioned about the P65, is there anything special besides the cam profile, the dry sump, and displacement? Will this engine have the rod-bearing issue, too? I appreciate everyone at Evolve and can't wait to hear the answers to my questions :)
It would be easier to have run dry sump in a LHD car, but would still have required a 10-15 litre oil tank in the passenger footwell (we were advised pressure drop from having it mounted in the boot would be too great) which considering this car won’t spend its life on track with slick tyres and high G force was a compromise we didn’t think was worth it for a road car. There is very little available information on this engine, in the future we may fully disassemble the engine to really see what’s inside and compare to a conventional S65.
Likely even more of so than the S65. Race engines are usually intentionally built to tighter tolerances to maximise performance and then refreshed/rebuilt each season.
Holy grail of naturally aspirated BMW V8s. Fitted to a 1M is just perfection. Anyone complaining about the loss of dry sump can go buy their own and keep the setup!! Evolve know what they are doing, and know what they are using the car for, if they needed the dry sump they would keep it. And don’t forget, I’m sure they didn’t just throw the old sump setup in the skip. Love this one gents
You replaced the integrated lower main bearing caps without machining (6:10). How is this supposed to work? how does this not change the fit of the bearings?
What are the names of the songs you played during the dry-sump removal and the engine install? Huge tunes! -- I assume since you now have an S65 block and P65 bedplate, you're in a rosy position to develop an S65 to P65 conversion kit with different dry sump tank ports, and maybe an S85 version. -- Gee, since you have a P65 with S65 parts on top, I guess you can dyno it to see what it does, and then when your dry-sump conversion parts are finally available, we can find out how much power the actual P65 parts are worth.
You will lose more power by taking the dry system off than the intake mate. I bet your magnificent intake makes the same power as the race one under 100 mph or so. Great project.
Professional... hmm Leaning on paint with work clothes, no fender protection. Watching the sun set what looked like three times while they fiddled with the ITB's was painful. Not Professional.
The moment I posted it I remembered Driftworks V10 conversion, they had similar issues, so it explains it. I guess you aren't going to race it anyway so... Anyhoo, love the content, you inspire and help keep the gems alive and roaring.
Why bother. You're removing the dry sump and intake from the P65. Just stroke and cam your S65.
Removing the drysump made it loose the P in the P65. You converted a great Motorport engine to a stroked S65. The drysump is what makes it a race engine.
Sorry about us
I'm sure it has more stuff going on
I agree I'm sure the team would of looked at a stroked engine but decided potentially too many unknowns , this is an official engine previously owned by another great motoring establishment, if they want in the future dry sump can be added back too but I do agree its lost abit of uniqueness with some of these changes.
It’s a flat plane crank so has different crank, cams, firing order etc. It’s still very different to an s65 but likely will loose some power with wet sump and oem style intake.
@@CoreRyedidn’t look like a flat plane crank when the sump was off
It's like taking a 911 GT3's dry sump mezger engine and turning into a base Carrera's wet sump lmao.
All carrera motors are drysump
@@arturoestrada4180 NO
Incredible! Just when I thought the s65 in a 1M was peak bmw, Imran pulls this out the bag. Yes!
No
@@BullyBoxer Yes
Removed the Dry sump....... At this point just use the stock engine add cams and stroker kit would of been cheaper. Also missed opportunity to design and Fab a intake system to work with the GT3 intake.
lot of effort for marginal gains (if any)
@@LeonWiddicombeit’s the effort that counts
Been waiting for this since you first told me about it! Love it
Well done Imran. The car looks and sounds amazing
This is literally just money for moneys sake. Ruined a P65. Could've just stroked an S65 and left the P65 for someone to do something proper with it.
Another great video and what a lot of work. Respect.
Incredible project! I said years ago get the s63 into the f82 m2! Gota be done!!
There are some custom engine builds of flat-plane converted S65's as well as couple other crazy people having swapped the P65.
Amazing, rare engine, though, congrats on scoring one, as BMW don't sell them to privateers, and getting them from race teams are the only way, hence the price.
An insane project - brilliant!😎
This is unreal . Never thought I’d see this engine in somthing other than the 🏎️ 🏁
Sooo awesome! Amazing job guys!!
The Inlet Manifold Cover and the two Head Covers would look great printed in a Colour Shift Paint like Purple Blue 😊
Imran you and your company are just so far ahead of the pack absolutely amazing 👍🇬🇧👍🇬🇧
when u click on the vid to find them removing the dry sump 😮😢
Awesome build. If that was mine I'd giggle just as much looking at it, knowing whats in it, as I would driving it.
Very cool project. I'm a bit surprised the engine doesn't have a flat-plane crankshaft, but then it probably wouldn't be a P65, but rather something altogether different. This project is yet another example of Evolve setting the bar ever higher. Well done, guys. I can't wait to hear this beast on the road.
It is flat plane
@@Bad_m340i its not a flatplane, its a crossplane. only the p65b40 is a flatplane the p65b44 is crossplane.
Wow. One day I will understand how to change and modify a car like that!!❤
Guys, what's up with that? You take one of the best naturally aspirated engines in the motorsport sector and remove the dry sump. Wasn't the right-hand drive known beforehand? Was the crankshaft bearing track measured during the conversion? Or did you just install the bedplate from another engine? Respect, no fucking way. I know exactly what I'm talking about, I drive a P65 in my M3e92 ;-)
@@Alpinabit No it wasn't known. The car is not a track car so dry sump is not necessary for our use case. Yes everything was measured by our engine builder. Just not shown in the time lapse. It's amazing how so many people are butt hurt about the dry sump being removed in what primarily is a road car that will see some track work without slicks.
I think she is already ready for the show!! Great job on the cars guys. The show is in the go!
Very interesting Imran ! I didn't know the P65 is a crossplane crank. I thought it was similar to the P60 but it seems as if the engine is based on the S65.
I would love to have a P60 and install it in my CSL 🙂
Can't wait to hear this thing! Still the best sounding GT3 car ever made.
wild build as always. 🔥
I DON'T WHAT IT IS ABOUT A 1M they just have their own little unique look about them, wish i had the time to go to SEMA i have friends from Winnipeg where we live go every year, for their business, it would be cool, i can hardly wait to see this green machine on the Dyno later on 👍
Proper job as always 👊🏾✌🏻
The team are awesome absolutely awesome ❤❤❤❤
Mission difficult ... Helluva job! 👏🏻
Absolutely the top of the tree that👏🏻👏🏻bravo
The most rad BMW I’ve ever seen!!!
Super cool build!
Just wow! Can't wait to see this
Please don't remove the dry sump setup, it's such a poser move to put a race engine in a street car and removing one of the things that makes it a reliable race engine.
We had to remove the dry sump setup for it to work in a RHD car, as the dry sump connections sit where the steering rack
@@EvolveAutomotive I see, such a bummer! Still love the concept.
There was a few other complications but that was the main one. The usage of the car means the wet sump will be adequate.
Yeah, this hurts to watch. Needless work, this is cringe.
@@EvolveAutomotivewell keep the dry sump* and change the steering to LHD 😂
I dont know how i missed this video haha
I've seen some people having issues with the Syvecs ECU and gear changes on the DCT. Hope it works out for you guys 🤞
I think many of you are forgetting that P65’s are flatplane cranks… so it’d not just stroked and cammed without the dry sump and intake…
Though I do agree, should have kept them intact but I know they want it road going so need A/C, ect.
That was the best video for a while ❤ love the 1M
I'm confused. How was the lower engine block replaced without line honing as a whole? I see he took some measurements with some verniers and replaced the main bearings... Is this not asking for trouble?
An engine builder whould die if he saw that
The bedplate self aligns extremely accurately on the S65 and many other BMW engines. It would be very unusual to line hone, unless you were using a mismatched block and bedplate combo.
The bed plate was machined for the dry sump setup so this almost brought the whole project to a grinding halt.
After some research and speaking with industry contacts BMW Motorsport appear to sell a dry sump kit for the S65 which includes a bed plate (very possibly this exact kit we removed). The fact BMW sell that gave Mr VANOS the idea to try an S65 bed plate that hasn’t been machined.
After checking all tolerances and clearances, ensuring the engine turns over etc he was happy with the results meaning we could move forward with the project.
Time will tell but it seems to be running well so far.
@@EvolveAutomotive thank you for expanding upon that. I sure hope it works in your favor. I probably would have opted for a line hone regardless.
@@XcoolcoolbeansbeansX that’s exactly what they did, a mismatched bedplate.
Basically removed everything that made it a P65 and choked it back to little more than a stroked S65. I truly don't understand, and it feels a bit half-assed for Evolve. Very cool nonetheless, and we all have opinions after all.
Yeah they are like assholes everyone has one
@@EvolveAutomotivethis times ten buddy,
So its now a stroked s65 w cams and a standalone. airbox and dry sump made the motor a race motor and now its been neutered 😂
And a flat plane crank
@@epaminontas6972I think this one is a cross plane?
Awesome can’t wait to see the figures from the dyno 💪💪
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Hi Imran, blocks and new lower crank girdle/upper sump(?) are usually line bored so a machined pair, swapping a new half can make the main bearing bores out of spec and oval, did you check dimensions and clearance?
Crank didn’t come out so definitely wasn’t done. Wonder how long it’ll run for
I was also surprised to see this. maybe they just cleaned it and it wasn't a new one?
Best video I've seen 😂 at the moment, even the music 🎶 is fire 🔥
smashed it wow!
Wow incredible work, fantastic video
Imran has just out flexed them all!
Quite sad that you removed the dry sump. Curious as to how the engine will perform, and live, without the robust oiling as well as the racecar’s unrestricted intake and exhaust systems
We along with Mr VANOS consulted various experts including Arrow Motorsport Technical on the effects of removing the dry sump setup. Unfortunately due to being a RHD car the steering rack would hit the dry sump connections meaning it just wouldn’t happen.
@@EvolveAutomotive Some people will pick holes in anything. It's a great build.. the way it fired up smooth as silk first try too.. impressive
Dream build❤.
A dry sump is what made the engine, a race engine.
The sight of an S65 in a 1M engine bay makes my heart happy
Man this thing needs some proper bad ass headers
Please load the dyno video on this new engine swap.
Imran, next time get a P60 motor from the E46 M3 GTR and swap that in the CSL. A guy in Scottsdale, AZ makes them..
First video I’ve seen here. Impressive swap and I enjoyed the detailed but short format video. Is there a reason for remove the dry sump setup? Thanks👍
Imran got the Jesus Nazareth 4s. Nasty work
Sound so much better ❤🎉🎉🎉
I don’t normally like to talk negatively on people’s builds but I’m watching this and thinking what is the point? Considering the cost/rarity of the engine and what it is and then to remove the dry sump set up and intake just makes the whole exercise pointless imo.
Don’t ask why, ask why not
My point too but it usually concerns vehicles like mk4 cortinas , Ford pops and rubbish cars like that where enthusiastic owners have fitted Chevy v8 moters between the rails they in turn become death traps . Only my opinion as a retire mechanic that build lots of modified cars and repaired neglected junk cars so their owner could drive to work
There's always replacement for displacement 😂
Interesting and informative
The amount of rust already on that car.... must be living the life out there.
Why imran you did put p65 engine on a road car and make it the most intersting video i have ever seen, why you didnt stroker the s65 and make a normal video why? 😂. This thing is amazing thank you
@@hasanalothman27 I'm sorry about us haha
One of thee best looking bmw.
As always, it's an excellent build. I read in the comments below that the dry sump had to go because it is RHD. But if it was LHD, would it be okay? Also, as you mentioned about the P65, is there anything special besides the cam profile, the dry sump, and displacement? Will this engine have the rod-bearing issue, too? I appreciate everyone at Evolve and can't wait to hear the answers to my questions :)
It would be easier to have run dry sump in a LHD car, but would still have required a 10-15 litre oil tank in the passenger footwell (we were advised pressure drop from having it mounted in the boot would be too great) which considering this car won’t spend its life on track with slick tyres and high G force was a compromise we didn’t think was worth it for a road car.
There is very little available information on this engine, in the future we may fully disassemble the engine to really see what’s inside and compare to a conventional S65.
I would love to see the tear down of both motors and side by side comparison. Thanks for the reply 😊
Likely even more of so than the S65. Race engines are usually intentionally built to tighter tolerances to maximise performance and then refreshed/rebuilt each season.
I enjoyed the part where you drove it 👀
will you record a driving video? would be awesome to hear how it sounds and some flyby passes!
Many more videos coming!
This geezer got More money than sense!
Aww man Same E88s would set this car on fire!!
Did you replace the lower crank case ? Surely you need to line hone the mains?
You are right mate it will need line bored no clue at all
You guys are absolutely insane! But in a good way🎉
Best Looking BMW with v8 and this color😍🤩.
This is absolutli dream car
Wait up hold up now! Why ain't our boy Aston getting the P65 ready for road use?! I feel betrayed. lol
Holy grail of naturally aspirated BMW V8s. Fitted to a 1M is just perfection. Anyone complaining about the loss of dry sump can go buy their own and keep the setup!! Evolve know what they are doing, and know what they are using the car for, if they needed the dry sump they would keep it. And don’t forget, I’m sure they didn’t just throw the old sump setup in the skip. Love this one gents
Incredible work. This car is next level.
You replaced the integrated lower main bearing caps without machining (6:10). How is this supposed to work? how does this not change the fit of the bearings?
As always stellar job lads. Imran this is not car related....what pants are you wearing at the end of the video with daybreaks?
Knew it was a p65! Epic
These guys: doing an insane build
every Toyota Camry driver in the comments: wHy DiDn‘T u lOsErS kEeP tHe DrY sUmP
@@maximilianlindner haha
Quality work as usual guys! Just curious though; why remove the dry sump system and make it wet sump again? cheers
Main reason was it would not fit with the car being RHD.
Should have just built an E9x M3 V8 rather than remove all that helps make this race engine what it is.
Sorry to see the sump and plenum change. 😔
You'll get over it
What are the names of the songs you played during the dry-sump removal and the engine install? Huge tunes!
-- I assume since you now have an S65 block and P65 bedplate, you're in a rosy position to develop an S65 to P65 conversion kit with different dry sump tank ports, and maybe an S85 version.
-- Gee, since you have a P65 with S65 parts on top, I guess you can dyno it to see what it does, and then when your dry-sump conversion parts are finally available, we can find out how much power the actual P65 parts are worth.
This is awesome. Screw the drysump. P65 is king!
Did the GTS and CRT come with the P65 or do they have the S65 but bored out to 4.4?
They have the S65b44, but from our research in working with this P65 and taking it apart we think they may be quite closely related.
This is some gt7 stuff
Gonna lock up or rod knock 100 miles into a drive with that wet sump thought you learned from the S65
stopped at 2:18....wtf guys...
How’s the m4 not seen it for awhile is the engine ok ?
great video, great tunes
What do you guys think of the harrop supercharger for the s65?
Top job 👌🏻🇬🇧🇩🇰🏁😎
With engine off turn steering wheel left-right about 20-30times. Then start engine and you'll never hear that p/s pump grind gears.
You will lose more power by taking the dry system off than the intake mate. I bet your magnificent intake makes the same power as the race one under 100 mph or so. Great project.
Please explain how a dry sump makes power. 😂
It scavenges the oil away from the crank. I built s65’s for m3 ‘s in the states for kinetic. Ask any race engine builder or tuner.
Foot in mouth, hope you are just an intern running the channel
Well done lads, super professional work as usual👌
Professional... hmm
Leaning on paint with work clothes, no fender protection.
Watching the sun set what looked like three times while they fiddled with the ITB's was painful.
Not Professional.
@@kwisin1337 you probably can't even afford an appointment at evolve yet you want to talk smack😂
This is going to be ROWDY
Except those who haven't got hairs anymore in this video, the other guys have this UK haircut style 😅...
Let's pray together for a new trend 🙏
that side intercooler hanged so awkward bruu
i wish there's workshop in my country that can do swap s65 on my e46 😌😆
Why do you *have to* convert it to wet sump?
Because the race cars are LHD and our car is RHD so the dry sump connections sit where the steering rack is.
The moment I posted it I remembered Driftworks V10 conversion, they had similar issues, so it explains it. I guess you aren't going to race it anyway so... Anyhoo, love the content, you inspire and help keep the gems alive and roaring.
you ... put what in that Gorgeous Car ? GEEEZZ Big up mans whip now
Can't wait to see it on Nov 1 (wink wink) 😅 -
Bring me a tshirt if you're going to be there /// 😉😀😁
Looking forward to all the content with this. I ran, what's the weight of this with the s65 and dct swapped?