Same goes for virtually any great player of the past. Laver 1969, McEnroe 1984, Becker 1989, Navratilova 1984, Hingis 1997. They'd all wipe the floor with the current crop of baseline robots.
I love watching these uploads with graf demolishing the top players of the past, but it comes with a notion of sadness that this tennis queen's career came to an end such a long time ago. Tennis has never been the same for me since. All the more important that her matches are saved for eternity for current and future generations to watch
To think that Monica only won 4 games against Steffi on grass.... I'm sure that the 1989 Steffi would trample all over the current top 10❤ my queen Steffi ❤️
oh please, seles was only 15 here. whats amazing is how seles played zina tougher at wimbledon the next year than graf did the next round in 90.and seles got a bad line call called out where chalk flew up and it cost her match point and the match,
If Monica had not been stabbed, I don’t think she would have overtaken Steffi in GS titles because Steffi would always have the advantage on fast surfaces like Wimbledon and the US Open.
Nah. Steffi wasnt that great in the Us Open, defeated by the likes of Sánchez Vicario and Sabatini. Post stabbing ,out of shape Seles bageled her and Graf could only won 95's USO final with the help of the chair judge. Pre stabbing Seles would owned Graf there also, with Graf winning Wimbledon.
100% fact. Steffi Graf would have won Wimbledon and US Open over Seles without the stabbing. Pre stabbing Seles never ever beat Graf on faster courts. Having said that, I do think Seles would have won FO’93 and FO ‘94 without the stabbing. Pre stabbing Seles only beat Graf on clay 3 times and on slow hard court once. Graf was leading their head to head 6-4 even before the stabbing.
@@juanantoniobl7550 Seles never was a superb player on FAST hard courts. She played 12 tournaments on such surfaces in her two great years 1991/92 and won only 6 of them (50 %). Compare that to the great Steffi: In the whole 1987-96 decade (!) - with all ups and downs - she played 44 tournaments on fast hard courts and won 31 (70.5 %). Steffi was the far superior player on fast hard courts. The AO back then with its SLOW ReboundAce surface was something different, it favored Seles's game.
@@carrerau7138 nah. Sabatini and Sánchez Vicario beat Steffi Parche at USO. Even rusty, extra weight Seles bageled her there. Seles won everything she needed to win on 91 and 92 in hard courts, 2 USO abd 2 YEC
@@juanantoniobl7550 Steffi is 7-0 H2H against Seles on fast surfaces (14-2 in sets). And what had the YEC in the 90s to do with hard courts? Your tennis knowledge seems to be very limited. 😂
Monica was just 15 years and 1989 she learned a lot and improved amazingly. One year later she was already better than her opponent. Until april 1993. 😢
One year later Steffi was not the Steffi of 1988/89 anymore. After having made 12 slam finals in a row until the AO 90 she missed most of the next 9 ones. Seles only took up the pieces.
She lost her focus during that Wimbledon final because her mind was preoccupied with trying to not grunt. It would have been much more interesting without the grunting controversy as her game was clearly off the mark. Monica says that she regrets not being herself on that that day in an effort to please everyone else instead.
@@meneerkonijn74 What is maybe even more stunning is that Steffi lost only 45 matches in the 1987-96 decade. Just 4.5 matches per year on average! Seles lost 5 matches in her peak year 1992.
This was a strange match from Monica Seles. You could tell the loss was mainly due to psychological pressure from Navratilova and co complaining about her grunting. This resulted in Seles not hitting as freely or as hard as she did in previous rounds. Graf did play well but the match should had been much closer.
you are mistaken. it is 1989 Wimbledon R4. complains about grunting happened in 1992 before Wimbledon final where Seles played almost in complete silence. but main fact is that Seles always struggled on fast surfaces.
@@robertwill23 ah yes. I am mistaken. I got the year wrong. However Seles pretty much said exactly what I said about her Wimbledon final on grass against Graf. Had Seles actually won any slams up to this point (Wimbledon 89) yet or was she still just a developing player? And weak on grass? Yeah will concede grass was her weakest surface. But weak? Definitely not. I believe Seles won Eastbourne, beat arguably the best grass court player of all time at Wimbledon (Navratilova), and got to a Wimbledon final. Weak grass-court players don't have a record like that. Weak grass court players just don't get to final rounds of major professional international grass-court tournaments.
@@jordanaus75 she was only 15, she didnt even play the full year on tour in 89, only a few tournaments, but whats interesting is at the 1990 wimbledon seles played zina tougher than graf did, and only lost that match due to a bad line call that cost her match point, chalk even flew up and they still called it out, replay showed the ball hit the line. i believe she would have beaten graf in the next round and then beaten navratilove in the final.
@@archangelmusic13 By your logic deSwardt, Fendick, Zvereva, Sabatini would have also beaten Seles in the Wimbledon 92 finals since they all played Steffi tougher in that tournament than Seles did. Especially deSwardt and Fendick would have demolished Seles. The idea of Seles (!) beating Steffi on grass is preposterous. Seles is only 2-5 win/loss against top 10 players in Wimbledon.
@@carrerau7138 by your logic you're proving you have no logic since you're completely ignoring the fact seles didnt grunt in the 92 final because of graf threatening to complain if she did, which proves graf has no sportsmanship. also proves her fans like you are clueless.seles not grunting affected her in this match.but seles playing zina tougher than graf did in the 90 wimbledon proved seles was playing better at the 90 wimbledon than graf was at that time,.since those matches were back to back, and had seles gotten that bad line call that cost her match point i believe she would have gone on to win wimbledon in 1990
Without disrespecting Iga or any other top 10 players of today, put that Graf in Wimbledon 2024, she gonna win the title.
facts
Without a doubt.
Same goes for virtually any great player of the past. Laver 1969, McEnroe 1984, Becker 1989, Navratilova 1984, Hingis 1997.
They'd all wipe the floor with the current crop of baseline robots.
@@fundhund62 nope they are not. They need to adjust their game by huge margin.
No she's not. The woman today hit with power off both wings. Her weak backhand would be exposed by all of them.
I love watching these uploads with graf demolishing the top players of the past, but it comes with a notion of sadness that this tennis queen's career came to an end such a long time ago. Tennis has never been the same for me since.
All the more important that her matches are saved for eternity for current and future generations to watch
i do not watch womens tennis now, boring n 1 dimensional players,
Steffi was unbelievable in 1989 this performance was absolutely amazing in its efficiency both mentally snd physically.. perfect tennis 🎾 👌🏻
To think that Monica only won 4 games against Steffi on grass.... I'm sure that the 1989 Steffi would trample all over the current top 10❤ my queen Steffi ❤️
oh please, seles was only 15 here. whats amazing is how seles played zina tougher at wimbledon the next year than graf did the next round in 90.and seles got a bad line call called out where chalk flew up and it cost her match point and the match,
Astonishing, in 1992 it was even clearer in WB
If Monica had not been stabbed, I don’t think she would have overtaken Steffi in GS titles because Steffi would always have the advantage on fast surfaces like Wimbledon and the US Open.
Nah. Steffi wasnt that great in the Us Open, defeated by the likes of Sánchez Vicario and Sabatini. Post stabbing ,out of shape Seles bageled her and Graf could only won 95's USO final with the help of the chair judge. Pre stabbing Seles would owned Graf there also, with Graf winning Wimbledon.
100% fact. Steffi Graf would have won Wimbledon and US Open over Seles without the stabbing. Pre stabbing Seles never ever beat Graf on faster courts. Having said that, I do think Seles would have won FO’93 and FO ‘94 without the stabbing. Pre stabbing Seles only beat Graf on clay 3 times and on slow hard court once. Graf was leading their head to head 6-4 even before the stabbing.
@@juanantoniobl7550 Seles never was a superb player on FAST hard courts.
She played 12 tournaments on such surfaces in her two great years 1991/92 and won only 6 of them (50 %).
Compare that to the great Steffi:
In the whole 1987-96 decade (!) - with all ups and downs - she played 44 tournaments on fast hard courts and won 31 (70.5 %).
Steffi was the far superior player on fast hard courts.
The AO back then with its SLOW ReboundAce surface was something different, it favored Seles's game.
@@carrerau7138 nah. Sabatini and Sánchez Vicario beat Steffi Parche at USO. Even rusty, extra weight Seles bageled her there. Seles won everything she needed to win on 91 and 92 in hard courts, 2 USO abd 2 YEC
@@juanantoniobl7550 Steffi is 7-0 H2H against Seles on fast surfaces (14-2 in sets).
And what had the YEC in the 90s to do with hard courts?
Your tennis knowledge seems to be very limited. 😂
Monica was just 15 years and 1989 she learned a lot and improved amazingly. One year later she was already better than her opponent. Until april 1993. 😢
One year later Steffi was not the Steffi of 1988/89 anymore.
After having made 12 slam finals in a row until the AO 90 she missed most of the next 9 ones.
Seles only took up the pieces.
Steffi demolition job
she was 15 sheesh.i like how seles beat graf just 1 year later. more than once too
What a thrashing.
My Steffyyyyy🌹🌹🌹
No way just no way for monica in grass
Graf made sure she was really ready for this match...since she nearly lost to Seles a month earlier at the French Open.
3 years later and at her peak Seles could only improve on this result by 2 games
She lost her focus during that Wimbledon final because her mind was preoccupied with trying to not grunt. It would have been much more interesting without the grunting controversy as her game was clearly off the mark. Monica says that she regrets not being herself on that that day in an effort to please everyone else instead.
@@Ricky-mo6mvshe will always a mediocre on grass court
@@FRankH-b4t Yes, it will always go down as being her least successful surface. I still think 1992 was a tremendous effort though.
@@Ricky-mo6mvshe was also facing death threats because of the yugoeslavian war.
@@Ricky-mo6mv Seles said that her grunting would not have changed the Wim 92 final result, "Steffi was simply too good that day".
Monica fantastic already to 15 years old, but Steffi in the last surface was really Super.
I always wonder what the result would have been had they met in the 1990 semi final, was so looking forward to that one.🙄
6-1, 6-1 Graf. Monica was no match for Steffi on Wimbledon grass.
Even after the 2 loses in Berlin and Paris? I do think Steffi would have won though.
Still Steffi would be huge favourite over Monica on grass.
@@ianreed1137 . En Wimbledon 1992, Graf venció a Seles 6-2 6-1.
Graf wins 6-3, 6-2.
Graf was almost unbeatable in 1988 to 1992
91-92 were Monica’s year
she lost a total of 7 matches in 3 years (87-89) just insane (233 matches played)
@@meneerkonijn74 What is maybe even more stunning is that Steffi lost only 45 matches in the 1987-96 decade.
Just 4.5 matches per year on average!
Seles lost 5 matches in her peak year 1992.
@@meneerkonijn74there is a small mistake in your stats. From 1987-89 she played 240 matches & won 233. Just insane.
Steffi 6-0. & 6-1❤❤💪💪💪
And Gabriella Sabatini..
This was a strange match from Monica Seles. You could tell the loss was mainly due to psychological pressure from Navratilova and co complaining about her grunting. This resulted in Seles not hitting as freely or as hard as she did in previous rounds. Graf did play well but the match should had been much closer.
you are mistaken. it is 1989 Wimbledon R4. complains about grunting happened in 1992 before Wimbledon final where Seles played almost in complete silence. but main fact is that Seles always struggled on fast surfaces.
@@robertwill23 ah yes. I am mistaken. I got the year wrong. However Seles pretty much said exactly what I said about her Wimbledon final on grass against Graf. Had Seles actually won any slams up to this point (Wimbledon 89) yet or was she still just a developing player? And weak on grass? Yeah will concede grass was her weakest surface. But weak? Definitely not. I believe Seles won Eastbourne, beat arguably the best grass court player of all time at Wimbledon (Navratilova), and got to a Wimbledon final. Weak grass-court players don't have a record like that. Weak grass court players just don't get to final rounds of major professional international grass-court tournaments.
@@jordanaus75 she was only 15, she didnt even play the full year on tour in 89, only a few tournaments, but whats interesting is at the 1990 wimbledon seles played zina tougher than graf did, and only lost that match due to a bad line call that cost her match point, chalk even flew up and they still called it out, replay showed the ball hit the line. i believe she would have beaten graf in the next round and then beaten navratilove in the final.
@@archangelmusic13 By your logic deSwardt, Fendick, Zvereva, Sabatini would have also beaten Seles in the Wimbledon 92 finals since they all played Steffi tougher in that tournament than Seles did.
Especially deSwardt and Fendick would have demolished Seles.
The idea of Seles (!) beating Steffi on grass is preposterous.
Seles is only 2-5 win/loss against top 10 players in Wimbledon.
@@carrerau7138 by your logic you're proving you have no logic since you're completely ignoring the fact seles didnt grunt in the 92 final because of graf threatening to complain if she did, which proves graf has no sportsmanship. also proves her fans like you are clueless.seles not grunting affected her in this match.but seles playing zina tougher than graf did in the 90 wimbledon proved seles was playing better at the 90 wimbledon than graf was at that time,.since those matches were back to back, and had seles gotten that bad line call that cost her match point i believe she would have gone on to win wimbledon in 1990
Let’s not forget Monica was only 15 years old here and it was her first year on the tour. It’s not like she was expected to win regardless.
Facts only facts : Seles was simply destroyed by Graf each time they played on grass : 6.0 6.1 in 1989 and 6.2 6.1 in 1992.
It was Monica's second year on the tour.
almost 16 years old
Hingis as a 14 & 15 old done better against Graf in Wimbledon. So stop those excuse.
@@rajusaha855 Hingis was a better player than Seles, simple as that.