Yes, Boeing succumbed to profits over safety. Not purposely trying to kill people of course. But like the Ford Pinto in which company profits vs. safety won over, Boeing took a calculated financial equation to save money/increase profits. Again, not knowing this decision would kill people, but knowing they were willing to take the risk to reduce safety margins to increase profit margins. Unfortunately, this equation proved just enough to become deadly. So who is responsible? I personally blame the Chief Project Engineer on the 737X whose prime directive is to ensure the airplane is safe. The CPE didn't design the system, but did not perform the full scope of his job of ensuring overall airplane integrity. He failed to properly divorce himself of the financial pressures from above, even though he had full power to veto the design that lead to tragedy. And as a retired Boeing employee, this hurts me deeply.
It was 346 they murded, actually. The big killer is not greed, bad as that is. The big killer of companies is WOKE, and Boeing is focusing on Diversity and Inclusion to the exclusion of manufacturing incompetence. Managers who are men dressed as women and vice versa.
777x did not have a door blow out. It had a structural failure during ground structural testing that required redesign of the aft fuselage to meet the 1.5 times design structural strength limit which is a safety certification requirement. This is completely different from the 737Max door blowout, which was the result of a failed build quality process, and not a structural design problem.
Fuel burn: The A350-1000 about 32 lbs of fuel per nautical mile; B777-9 about 48 lbs per nautical mile. Fuel consumption: The A350-1000 burns 25% less fuel than its nearest competitor. Operating costs: The A350 Family has the lowest operating cost per seat of any widebody aircraft. Fuel efficiency: Airbus A350-1000 2.39 L/100km per PAX; Boeing estimates 777-X to be 4% more fuel efficient, assuming the GE GenX performs to spec, which, given its problems, is not guaranteed. RR has the Advance engine and Ultrafan in test and it is likely that components from those programs will make their way into the Trent XWB, possibly eliminating any GE advantage. Currently the XWB is the most fuel efficient (large) engine in service. Summary: if you can guarantee to fill a B777-X then it may be marginally more fuel efficient but it is unlikely to be more cost effective overall, given the metal fuselage, fatigue and inspection issues etc. Last point, given Boeing's massive quality issues, I try to avoid flying Boeing aircraft (not often possible) - I don't have a death wish.
Greed over safety has been a long term problem that has infected Boeing since the merger in 1997 with the failed McDonald/Douglas company. McD failed because it was too risk adverse to develop truly competitive airplane design solutions. Now, Boeing is being dragged down the same rabbit hole.
@@kenwhitfield219 BOEING - Boneheaded Office of Engineering Incompetence and Negligent Greed If you want the full picture you need to investigate Boeing's systemic failures in design and quality control. 1) Exploding fuel tanks (B707, B727, B737, B747 at least) - hundreds of deaths; 2) fuselage skin peel back (notably Aloha flight 243, Southwest flight 812 both B737); 3) Single point of failure with rudder jacks - hundreds of deaths. All three of the problems above (which are severe design and quality control problems) pre-date the the McDonnell Douglas merger. The question is not "Did the issues arise as a result of the merger?" but "Did the issues worsen as a result of the merger?"
You can't compare the A350K vs 777-9, the mtow between the 2 are different. The 777-9 is a bigger plane and of course it burns more fuel but it carries more passenger and cargo. If you want to compare the A350K to a Boeing equivalent, it would be the 777-300ER.
Thanks for sharing! I agree with you. Boeing leadership needs to go not the workers. It’s really quite sad they hit their workers when everyone should know the leaders, managers, and executives should own the failures but instead blame the workers. Its not a cultural safe environment but i thought Boeing hired a bunch of quality, safety, and compliance specialists to prove to Congressional Oversight, FAA, and their customers they were preemptively placing quality at the top of the priority model….however, who do you think they just laid off? Why is Boeing not releasing the job descriptions of all those laid off? It is really hard to confidently fly on any Boeing aircraft after you analyze the reported internal culture, issues, and management/ executive historical decisions made. So far, Boeing has not reported any management, leadership, or executive layoffs which means they still have not shown any corrective posturing for successful decision making from the top. All in all, it means they are still on a path of self-destruction and more failures. But that’s just my opinion.
This video is just stitched together from whatever videos Aviatrix chooses to use to make a story. It does not identify the forum in which the CFO was speaking, but you can be sure that the CFO will be speaking from time to time on the state of the company, along with the CEO and other executives. I don't see why that is "beyond belief."
@ because Boeing have learnt nothing form what has happened since 2019, they should leave technical comment to engineers, not bean-counters and lawyers who put their own spin on things for their own purposes.
Unless there is a cataclysmic failure of the 777X there is little likelihood of any substantial cancellations, it is simply not in the aviation industry’s best interest to have only one manufacturer.
It would not be in the best interest, but as a CEO of large airline company, I would not risk it and order a Boeing airplane just to help the greedy company to stay afloat.
Let us see the coming months as Boeing workers just got back after a prolonged strike. Yes, Boeing must rectify shortcomings after several reported failures of engine pylon joint, cracked fuselage etc. Boeing really have to trust the development of the 777X seriously. It has to be 100% realible before certification programs begins. Any more delays may result in order cancellation. I like to see a healthy competion between Boeing and Airbus. The ball is squarely on Boeing's court now. Its up to them to get it right. I do look forward to fly on it , In Sya Allah
Boeing will NEVER go out of business. It is the #1 exporter of the US and is kept afloat with massive military support. True, Airbus is very succesful, but they face serious limitations not of their making: It is incredibly expensive for an airline to change aircraft supplier. EVERYONE has to be recertified, from pilots, ground crew, Maintenance trades in addition to tools and equipment. It isn't like changing from a Toyota to a Honda - just hop in and off you pop, happy that all you have to do is wheel yourself into the dealership for a quick tune up. Once you have selected an aircraft, you are, more or less, stuck with it unless it maked good business sense. I wish it were otherwise. I worked as a supplier to Airbus many years ago and the standard of Engineering and trade skills is incredibly high. They were also wonderful to work with. Helps to speak French though.
Why is giving pension and pay bonuses to 5 year managers more important than 20-40 year technicians, engineers and other diligent workers. Just thinking who's looking out for the company more. Is Mr. Cahoun missing any sleep over the future of Boeing?😅
Boeing is not done. Im a union steward and a structures mechanic. We will be back bigger, better, and on top once again. The company needs to take accountability for their past actions and poor decisions.
I actually believe you...that thrust link cracking, was it axial, radial or both? Ti is fine but it's not bullet proof...might just need to suck up the added weight and go with hastalloy or some such. Sure would help to see a print. (hint/hint) In the meantime, ya'll need to quit dropping birds. Btw, I also believe Boeing Mgmt sucks balls, but it was YOUR brothers and sisters who let those planes get out the door. And, YOU have a 24/7/365 option to wobble that job if things get hinky. So, cowboy up and own your shit.
@@hillbilly4895 You have no idea about how management can dictate engineering directive at times...NONE AT ALL... Before you say YOUR brothers and sisters let those jets go, just think about what you might not know about how Boeing management operates.
Firing ALL of the people left over from the Mcdonnel Douglas merger, along with the business grads those people hired to take over jobs previously held by time-served staff who came up from the shop floor... would be a start. Get Boeing back under the control of the engineers again.
Stopped watching when you talked about the 777X door blow out that happened during a stress test, whilst showing pictures of the door blow out of the Alaskan Airline 737 max passenger flight.
European in the business here : i dont want boeing to go down. i think we are at a point, where cheaper faster hits the wall of regulations really being followed. Whoever giant man wants to solve this will have to cut back rules or triple the personnel.
2:04 - It this _in addition_ to blown door plug during a '23 revenue flight by Alaska? What happened in '19 is the second of two fatal accidents caused by MCAS, killing a total of almost 350 people.
@johnchristmas7522 yet would that be enough at this stage ? ek has firm orders with boeing for their 777x and wouldn't changing cost allot in penalties?
The Airbus is actually flying (despite its Catia software boondoggle). Pity the European Space Agency, which is building rocket expendability yet again with the none-reusable Ariane 6.
The greed of everyone involved will be what cripples the project. Peoples safety is what's important no matter how long takes or who goes broke. They're always will be someone to pick up the pieces. If it does go broke it will all leave California and go where you can afford to do business.
After what Boeing did to their whistleblowers who tried to warn the company and the public of the lack of attention to identified safety problems, I hope their stock goes into the toilet and the company is taken over by another with more ethical management.
So you want to let crooked CEOs continue to work on accounting books instead of technical improvements? Clearly the CEO said he sees no need to innovate new aircrafts until engine manufacturers bring out new engines, is that a sign of a proactive company? The best solution for the world of flying will be to bankrupt Boeing and let a new entrepreneur bring up a new technology company and not an accounting firm
Well, would you rather be safe and wait or get a quick delivery and be dead. I thought that would be an easy answer. Boeings success over 2 decades ago prioritized safety and that was WHY they became the world’s biggest aircraft manufacturer so quickly. You knew when you were getting a Boeing plane it was unlikely to have any issue… now it’s reversed. If you get a Boeing plane there is a very high likelihood you are getting an aircraft with at least one error and it could be a fatal one. The top levels of management own every single failure over the last 20 years period. Replacing the CEO does not correct all the poor decisions made for the last 20 years especially when the current CEO was also a CEO within the last 20 years period and played an integral and active part in the current situation Boeing finds itself in. Just my opinion tho.
So they found a problem and solved it by replacing the damaged parts with brand new ones without figuring out the cause of the problem and only pray to god that the new parts don't break. Only a fool 'solves' a problem by recreating the initial conditions that lead to a major failure thinking it won't happen again.
It doesn't help to find buyers. If it's Boeing, I'm not going. Airlines that still choose Boeing, will get far.lower passages. Worth to take note. Also there's been increased demand for Airbus A380 as an replacement of the Boeing 777x and 747. Watch out for Comex and Yakovlev as Trump is ending the madness in Ukraine.
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The karma keeps coming for murdering hubdreds of souls in the name of corporate greed.
Yes, Boeing succumbed to profits over safety. Not purposely trying to kill people of course. But like the Ford Pinto in which company profits vs. safety won over, Boeing took a calculated financial equation to save money/increase profits. Again, not knowing this decision would kill people, but knowing they were willing to take the risk to reduce safety margins to increase profit margins. Unfortunately, this equation proved just enough to become deadly. So who is responsible? I personally blame the Chief Project Engineer on the 737X whose prime directive is to ensure the airplane is safe. The CPE didn't design the system, but did not perform the full scope of his job of ensuring overall airplane integrity. He failed to properly divorce himself of the financial pressures from above, even though he had full power to veto the design that lead to tragedy. And as a retired Boeing employee, this hurts me deeply.
It was 346 they murded, actually. The big killer is not greed, bad as that is. The big killer of companies is WOKE, and Boeing is focusing on Diversity and Inclusion to the exclusion of manufacturing incompetence. Managers who are men dressed as women and vice versa.
What karma?
That's what you get when you put greed over safety and exploit the workforce to the limit - even over the limit!!!!
777x did not have a door blow out. It had a structural failure during ground structural testing that required redesign of the aft fuselage to meet the 1.5 times design structural strength limit which is a safety certification requirement. This is completely different from the 737Max door blowout, which was the result of a failed build quality process, and not a structural design problem.
The door blew out because there was a missing bolt no hate
@@Kuwait-mn5ld which was because of a failed build quality process, your point?
@@kenwhitfield219 No matter what the cause the result is the same
Seems like Boeing’s formulae is to stretch or push the plane designs of their proven models. Thus, until when failure only then will stop?
Fuel burn: The A350-1000 about 32 lbs of fuel per nautical mile; B777-9 about 48 lbs per nautical mile.
Fuel consumption: The A350-1000 burns 25% less fuel than its nearest competitor.
Operating costs: The A350 Family has the lowest operating cost per seat of any widebody aircraft.
Fuel efficiency: Airbus A350-1000 2.39 L/100km per PAX; Boeing estimates 777-X to be 4% more fuel efficient, assuming the GE GenX performs to spec, which, given its problems, is not guaranteed. RR has the Advance engine and Ultrafan in test and it is likely that components from those programs will make their way into the Trent XWB, possibly eliminating any GE advantage. Currently the XWB is the most fuel efficient (large) engine in service.
Summary: if you can guarantee to fill a B777-X then it may be marginally more fuel efficient but it is unlikely to be more cost effective overall, given the metal fuselage, fatigue and inspection issues etc.
Last point, given Boeing's massive quality issues, I try to avoid flying Boeing aircraft (not often possible) - I don't have a death wish.
That's what you get when you put greed over safety and exploit the workforce to the limit - even over the limit!!!!
@isaganipalanca8803 yes it was greed and 350 people are gone
Greed over safety has been a long term problem that has infected Boeing since the merger in 1997 with the failed McDonald/Douglas company. McD failed because it was too risk adverse to develop truly competitive airplane design solutions. Now, Boeing is being dragged down the same rabbit hole.
@@kenwhitfield219 BOEING - Boneheaded Office of Engineering Incompetence and Negligent Greed
If you want the full picture you need to investigate Boeing's systemic failures in design and quality control. 1) Exploding fuel tanks (B707, B727, B737, B747 at least) - hundreds of deaths; 2) fuselage skin peel back (notably Aloha flight 243, Southwest flight 812 both B737); 3) Single point of failure with rudder jacks - hundreds of deaths. All three of the problems above (which are severe design and quality control problems) pre-date the the McDonnell Douglas merger. The question is not "Did the issues arise as a result of the merger?" but "Did the issues worsen as a result of the merger?"
You can't compare the A350K vs 777-9, the mtow between the 2 are different. The 777-9 is a bigger plane and of course it burns more fuel but it carries more passenger and cargo. If you want to compare the A350K to a Boeing equivalent, it would be the 777-300ER.
Thanks for sharing!
I agree with you.
Boeing leadership needs to go not the workers. It’s really quite sad they hit their workers when everyone should know the leaders, managers, and executives should own the failures but instead blame the workers. Its not a cultural safe environment but i thought Boeing hired a bunch of quality, safety, and compliance specialists to prove to Congressional Oversight, FAA, and their customers they were preemptively placing quality at the top of the priority model….however, who do you think they just laid off? Why is Boeing not releasing the job descriptions of all those laid off?
It is really hard to confidently fly on any Boeing aircraft after you analyze the reported internal culture, issues, and management/ executive historical decisions made.
So far, Boeing has not reported any management, leadership, or executive layoffs which means they still have not shown any corrective posturing for successful decision making from the top.
All in all, it means they are still on a path of self-destruction and more failures. But that’s just my opinion.
It is beyond belief that Boeing are still rolling out their CFO to discuss the technical issues behind the 777X delays.
This video is just stitched together from whatever videos Aviatrix chooses to use to make a story. It does not identify the forum in which the CFO was speaking, but you can be sure that the CFO will be speaking from time to time on the state of the company, along with the CEO and other executives. I don't see why that is "beyond belief."
@ because Boeing have learnt nothing form what has happened since 2019, they should leave technical comment to engineers, not bean-counters and lawyers who put their own spin on things for their own purposes.
So what?
yea he knows sod all about engineering....Boeing needs a ``hit man `` in charge.... somebody who'll make changes quickly...and put things right
Unless there is a cataclysmic failure of the 777X there is little likelihood of any substantial cancellations, it is simply not in the aviation industry’s best interest to have only one manufacturer.
It would not be in the best interest, but as a CEO of large airline company, I would not risk it and order a Boeing airplane just to help the greedy company to stay afloat.
There's always the Chinese
The c929 may be ready before this one
Let us see the coming months as Boeing workers just got back after a prolonged strike. Yes, Boeing must rectify shortcomings after several reported failures of engine pylon joint, cracked fuselage etc. Boeing really have to trust the development of the 777X seriously. It has to be 100% realible before certification programs begins. Any more delays may result in order cancellation.
I like to see a healthy competion between Boeing and Airbus.
The ball is squarely on Boeing's court now. Its up to them to get it right. I do look forward to fly on it , In Sya Allah
Well thats exactly what the CFO of Airbus said, but if Boeing carry on at this rate, China will fill the gap.
The American government will ensure that Boeing never fails due to their military being so dependent on them ie B52's etc.
Boeing will NEVER go out of business. It is the #1 exporter of the US and is kept afloat with massive military support. True, Airbus is very succesful, but they face serious limitations not of their making: It is incredibly expensive for an airline to change aircraft supplier. EVERYONE has to be recertified, from pilots, ground crew, Maintenance trades in addition to tools and equipment. It isn't like changing from a Toyota to a Honda - just hop in and off you pop, happy that all you have to do is wheel yourself into the dealership for a quick tune up. Once you have selected an aircraft, you are, more or less, stuck with it unless it maked good business sense.
I wish it were otherwise. I worked as a supplier to Airbus many years ago and the standard of Engineering and trade skills is incredibly high. They were also wonderful to work with. Helps to speak French though.
It's so sad for Boeing 's customers 😢😢! Specially Qatar.
Musk has proven that you need an engineer in charge, or at least someone with lots of authority, to run the company. Not a bean counter.
Why is giving pension and pay bonuses to 5 year managers more important than 20-40 year technicians, engineers and other diligent workers. Just thinking who's looking out for the company more. Is Mr. Cahoun missing any sleep over the future of Boeing?😅
Boeing is not done. Im a union steward and a structures mechanic. We will be back bigger, better, and on top once again. The company needs to take accountability for their past actions and poor decisions.
I actually believe you...that thrust link cracking, was it axial, radial or both? Ti is fine but it's not bullet proof...might just need to suck up the added weight and go with hastalloy or some such. Sure would help to see a print. (hint/hint) In the meantime, ya'll need to quit dropping birds. Btw, I also believe Boeing Mgmt sucks balls, but it was YOUR brothers and sisters who let those planes get out the door. And, YOU have a 24/7/365 option to wobble that job if things get hinky. So, cowboy up and own your shit.
@@hillbilly4895 You have no idea about how management can dictate engineering directive at times...NONE AT ALL...
Before you say YOUR brothers and sisters let those jets go, just think about what you might not know about how Boeing management operates.
Firing ALL of the people left over from the Mcdonnel Douglas merger, along with the business grads those people hired to take over jobs previously held by time-served staff who came up from the shop floor... would be a start. Get Boeing back under the control of the engineers again.
when, and with what product line(s)?
@augustiner3821 i watched our CEO's webcast. He's spot on in his plan for the company going forward. Concentrate on today for the future
Stopped watching when you talked about the 777X door blow out that happened during a stress test, whilst showing pictures of the door blow out of the Alaskan Airline 737 max passenger flight.
The issue is multisourcing, if every part was manufactured in a local location instead of a thousand different locations, this would be much easier
European in the business here :
i dont want boeing to go down.
i think we are at a point, where cheaper faster hits the wall of regulations really being followed.
Whoever giant man wants to solve this will have to cut back rules or triple the personnel.
When AI creates the script 😂 you have some dates inaccuracies
I still belive the 777X wil be a huge success but Boeng has to start delivering soon!
No mention of Starliner and it's effect on Boeing?
2:04 - It this _in addition_ to blown door plug during a '23 revenue flight by Alaska? What happened in '19 is the second of two fatal accidents caused by MCAS, killing a total of almost 350 people.
I don't think Emirates will even consider the A35K since it is said to have less engine time on the wing.
RR are in the process of overcoming that
@johnchristmas7522 yet would that be enough at this stage ? ek has firm orders with boeing for their 777x and wouldn't changing cost allot in penalties?
The Airbus is actually flying (despite its Catia software boondoggle). Pity the European Space Agency, which is building rocket expendability yet again with the none-reusable Ariane 6.
The greed of everyone involved will be what cripples the project. Peoples safety is what's important no matter how long takes or who goes broke. They're always will be someone to pick up the pieces. If it does go broke it will all leave California and go where you can afford to do business.
There is NOONE to replace Boeing so no big deal 😅
After what Boeing did to their whistleblowers who tried to warn the company and the public of the lack of attention to identified safety problems, I hope their stock goes into the toilet and the company is taken over by another with more ethical management.
Won't find that in America. Their remit is. $$$$$$$$$$$!
Boeing 777X I am sure will overcome the problems. There is some unwarranted negative news .
Well lets hope its not a 777xMAX
Airbus is great, but they ve got manufacturing constraints, so we will anyway fly these disaster boeing planes - no choice
That's news??? That is about normal for Boeing news is that Boeing is not in the BAD NEWS
Airbus waiting list will be fifty years if you bring down Boeing
Boeing is bringing down themselves
Every waiting cue has shortcuts if you’re willing to pay premium.
So you want to let crooked CEOs continue to work on accounting books instead of technical improvements? Clearly the CEO said he sees no need to innovate new aircrafts until engine manufacturers bring out new engines, is that a sign of a proactive company?
The best solution for the world of flying will be to bankrupt Boeing and let a new entrepreneur bring up a new technology company and not an accounting firm
Well, would you rather be safe and wait or get a quick delivery and be dead. I thought that would be an easy answer.
Boeings success over 2 decades ago prioritized safety and that was WHY they became the world’s biggest aircraft manufacturer so quickly. You knew when you were getting a Boeing plane it was unlikely to have any issue… now it’s reversed. If you get a Boeing plane there is a very high likelihood you are getting an aircraft with at least one error and it could be a fatal one.
The top levels of management own every single failure over the last 20 years period. Replacing the CEO does not correct all the poor decisions made for the last 20 years especially when the current CEO was also a CEO within the last 20 years period and played an integral and active part in the current situation Boeing finds itself in. Just my opinion tho.
@SandyPearson-lu7uf the biggest disaster was 737MAX
777X so 666Y the Mac Do junk airplane by Boeing is done finally Douglas often the worst plans
This article is clickbait nonsense 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
"Plane Field" Really? It's Paine Field. If you can't get the facts right, get out of the game! Negative like.
No nothing “just got worse”. Catchy title but same old thing. Nothing new since last July…
Without prejudice as I tried to avoid taking Boeing flights but if no choice and every time I get on a Boeing, I get edgy.
BS
im first haha
Boeing will rise, but then again it was never down.trump will make it great again.
The door blew of on a scheduled flight, not a stress test.
DEI
A "seven-hundred-and-thirty-seven max"??!? Howz about you get a HUMAN to do your narration?
So they found a problem and solved it by replacing the damaged parts with brand new ones without figuring out the cause of the problem and only pray to god that the new parts don't break. Only a fool 'solves' a problem by recreating the initial conditions that lead to a major failure thinking it won't happen again.
Bollocks
Airbus cry fan channel.
Just call it the B777 MAX at this point
Sensationalism. Inaccurate and obnoxious airbus propaganda.
When one door closes another opens. Apart from that it is a pretty good 'plane
@@mike160543 Alaska Airlines confirmed that.
Airbus don’t need propaganda, they can’t keep up with the flood of orders already.
A pretty good plane that cannot get certification is useless.
It doesn't help to find buyers. If it's Boeing, I'm not going. Airlines that still choose Boeing, will get far.lower passages. Worth to take note.
Also there's been increased demand for Airbus A380 as an replacement of the Boeing 777x and 747.
Watch out for Comex and Yakovlev as Trump is ending the madness in Ukraine.
Boeing is done
Boing factories need to produce Airbus planes. That would help.....
Don't worry Trump will save Boeing!
he better save himself
yes Boeing is done and shutting down the max and 777x programs soon and have no commercial division only military.