Boeing did not make the decision not to bring the astronauts back. NASA made that decision; Boeing was arguing for putting them in that capsule. NASA saved their lives. Boeings concern was how it would look to have SpaceX go save them.
Human lives mean nothing to them. Of course they talk the requisite talk but they're not interested in walking the expensive walk as long as that sweet, sweet taxpayer's nectar keeps flowing in courtesy of those two massive suckers they are manipulating, NASA and Congress. Look at the state of Congress and then who NASA is still hanging with, those fine purveyors of pre-assembled space junk - then do the math. The ISL, Starklieners primary mission, is coming out of orbit in six years so why is the space-junk-to-be being worked on at all? Not only is it a redundant failure, it is a tax-sucking potentially lethal machine. It is only a matter of time.
Well, after losing 14 astronauts and 40% of the shuttle fleet to disasters that were well known and 100% avoidable, I'd say "it's about time"... We got really lucky they only lost 2 out of 5 shuttles-- several other flights came back that were VERY near misses-- sheer luck prevented several more disasters. Why it was PAST time to retire shuttle and replace it even by the time of Challenger which laid the shuttle program faults open for all to see... Thankfully the correct decision was made to retire shuttle after the Columbia disaster killed another 7 astronauts and proved the shuttle was a brittle, expensive, and still experimental system with inherent flaws that could not be fully or reliably corrected. I'm glad NASA *FINALLY* got the message to put crew safety over operational concerns or "optics" ie appearances... it's about time.
RCS thrusters are not designed by Boeing. Dragon also had a ton of problems but they were ironed out over the cargo missions they did before crewed flights. With this being said Boeing will be moving away from this project. Sierra Space is about to launch Dreamchaser and they will be building a crewed version of the spacecraft. As they will be building the next space station after ISS is pushed into the ocean in 2030 this will push Boeing out of the crewed flight business. Boeing has many other space projects that they are doing well with, they also want to end the starliner project I would imagine, they having already spent 1.5 billion in overages. Space is costly and hard.
Yeah, that's like space flight design 101. And blaming it on subcontractors is just so over done. And Boeing is terrible about cutting corners to save dollars. They are also masters of milking government contracts. "Oh, we discovered this problem and that problem. We don't know how long but we can tell you the price is going up."
@@SouthernRotors They didn't build them, but they designed the dog house and put them in there. 100% their fault as a system integrator you are responsible for the system as a whole.
Like the way Boing states ‘crew safety is their number one priority’ but decided to launch irrespective of the leaks already detected prior to the launch.
Helium leaks happen, it's a normal thing to work out, SpaceX had a ton of them when they started with the transport dragon. The larger issue is why is the rcs system going supernova? That's the reason they left the crew behind.
"Casting doubt the starliner is ready for crewed missions?" What doubt. The mission failed in so many facets it is an unequivocal failure for missions be they crewed or unmanned.
It's obviously some kind of management problem. Boeing has gotten complacent and sloppy. This also applies to their aircraft business as well. They work harder to cover up their incompetence than they do to correct it. The company needs a cultural overhaul. They're not going to be able to compete with a company like SpaceX that has an internal culture of striving for excellence. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and do some serious house cleaning. Boeing didn't turn into crap overnight.
You're talking as if it's the same people working on the Starliner as the 787 Max. They're completely different divisions of the company, and there's no reason they won't get the thing approved eventually. Remember, it IS rocket science. This stuff is insanely complex, and the spacecraft made it all the way up and all the way back down again intact. That's a credit to any group of engineers, no matter who they work for. It's the over-ambitious management types in the company that you need to keep an eye on, as NASA knows all too well.
Diversity became Boeing's core focus. As their senior engineers retired, Boeing decided to hire new diverse engineers. Obviously, to meet their Diversity goals, they had to adjust the threshold of engineering competency to make those hires... And now we are witnessing the results.
@@direbearcoat7551 Bullshit. The engineers are not the problem, it's the management, culture and corner-cutting at the top that is the problem. If the higher-ups of the company had a proper relationship with the people who actually do the work, they would be in a much different situation. It's the same attitude that NASA management had with their engineers, and why it's only luck that prevented them from losing more space shuttles. Hiring one or two extra black people isn't the difference here, and the implication that those people are inherently inferior engineers isn't so much a dog whistle as an air horn.
@@robin_holden I didn't say "Black people." I said, "diverse." Being White, Black, Asian, Hispanic, is not enough. You also have to have some LGBT types, and they have to be progressive in their way of thinking. Remember, "Math is racist," so governors, like the one in Washington, have signed legislation lowering the math proficiency requirements to graduate. This new generation of engineers are the first wave of this phenomena. The next generation is going to be worse. And you are right. Management is responsible. They are the ones who made the decision to make these hires. They are ultimately responsible for costs, hiring practices, retention of top talent, recruitment, etc. Look where it's gotten them as they followed CRT, DEI, and their ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) requirements so that Blackrock, and Vanguard will not dump their Boeing shares. So, yes. Management behavior is what led to the new generation of engineers that don't quite have it in engineering requirements, but can tick off the other boxes. This isn't just happening at Boeing, it's happening throughout many other industries, and it's happening globally.
I am minded of two sayings by great people: "Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is a sign of insanity," and "Hope is not a strategy."
@@SouthernRotors Actually on one of the moon rovers, a fender got damaged. Nasa feared running without a fender would kick a lot of dust up and into the electronics. So, they devised a fender by using a lamented map and duct tape. I was shocked that they had taken duct tape with them to the moon!
Maybe Musk's SpaceX solved its problems, by giving themselves a reason to fire off a huge amount of unmanned missions for profit, by launching their own communication network which is Musk's Starlink.
This is why I love how SpaceX tests. There’s no computer program that can simulate regular real-world testing to work out the bugs. Just too bad Bezos, ula, Boeing and their government friends have collaborated to slow SpaceXs’ progress down.
It looks like Boeing's management has wanted to go cheap from the get-go, instead of doing it right in the first place, THEN deciding where and how to cut production costs.
They didn't go cheap at all. The rcs system was built by another company. That being said you would think Boeing would have worked out the rcs heating issues which are likely due to not meeting specs in some way. The helium issues, well, this is normal fare for space vehicles. They can be figured out but Helium is the second lightest gas so it often requires some work. Heck, the Polaris Dawn SpaceX mission was postponed a week or so ago because of a helium leak lol
One Boeing aircraft that keeps reliably chugging along--and which I flew for years in the US Army--is the Chinook helicopter, manufactured in Philly. Go, 'Hook, Go!
Harassing? They are basically negligent, touching SpaceX as well as Boeing and all other private contractors with kids gloves over and over, and letting them waste billions in taxpayer money ad infinitum. If this Boeing desaster - and SpaceX loosing its third craft by now - shows anything? Its that the privatizing approach in Space exploration is a giant waste of taxpayer money in favour of billionaire techbros who keep overpromising and under-delivering. Blatantly.
Saw a lecture by an individual last year or 2022 about Boeing's space program and his thesis was this: Boeing will have problems because the company does (and relies too much on) computer modeling engineering and testing, instead of hands on engineering and testing. It appears his predictions are coming true. He spoke with a big part of his audience in the aerospace industry, and said people in the audience would not like hearing what he had to say, but he spoke anyway.
Yes but the head of the FAA stated that his problem with spacex is that it didn't develop like Boeing. This is the root of the FAA issues with SpaceX. The FAA does not like hands on engineering and testing and will delay and fine spacex until they change.
Boeing has paid all overages out of pocket, the next space station will be an American station. No need for SpaceX or Boeing as dreamchaser will be flying routinely by then.
Failure of the Starliner is proof of the failure of the Boeing work ethic. My bro worked in the assembly plant in the 70s where workers used the tail section as a hotbox to smoke pot in during working hours. He and many others quit, after repeated complaints to management and the union did not correct the safety issues that resulted.
Boeing replaced engineers in management with accountants who's job was to reduce costs. What can go wrong when you fire engineers and ask accountants to build a space craft...
I am not any type of expert But i can say if they were in the capsule it could end bad For one reason it commihg back empty means capsule was 2000 lbs lighter So the whole reentry trajectory\control would be more complex Let's hope they fix the issue
They should really cancel this project. It’s just NASA is money laundering Boeing and it just really navigates me that we already have a spacecraft. That is amazing dragon two capsule. It has way more capability than Starliner. I’m sorry, but it’s just I’m not saying that SpaceX is better. It’s just that dragon two has a Cargo pressurized cargo trunk while the star liner does not. I really think that chaser should become a crew and cargo space plane.
Dragon is a great platform but it's not more capable than Starliner. Starliner can perform a burn to increase the orbit of the ISS. IIS will be gone soon and Sierra Space will take over using Dreamchaser along with Dragon 3 it seems. Sierra Space will also build the new version of ISS and the initial habitats on the moon and mars.
Does call into question the ground testing process. While it is difficult to simulate real space conditions, it seems that simulation models are not accurate enough to rely on ground testing alone to verify the design.
The Astronauts told us in the first place that Starliner could not bring them back. They know their business, they are very professional people. Soooo, I would like to say the two astronauts would probably be delighted to stay long-term on the ISS.
Yeah, like when spacex, on a whim, blasted a huge concrete launchpad dry, damaging the rocket and equipment on the ground. I am sure FAA withheld the Gov't handout to pay for that. (not)
Nasa is in bed with the FAA No inquiry or long delay needed. The FAA will now penalize space x further for flight 5 just to please nasa am i right , watch this space 🚀
@@evthink A nature preserve and the ocean is at least under the protection of the Gov't. Pieces rained down on the closest city and all the crap was in the ocean. This is NOT ElMu's money, it is all Gov't money. What he did was incredibly irresponsible. Spacexxx is standing on the shoulders of all of NASA's experience and NASA was never irresponsible enough just to "try" destructive stuff, especially while not making sure there was a safe environment for failure. ElMu is NOT an ENGINEER. He just repeats what his very talented employees tell him in a very convincing way. When he meddles we get a blown up launch pad and a damaged launch facility. (Or he loses $44B lof his investor's money proving he has no idea what he is doing running a company like twitter.) Luckily ElMu is busy destroying xitter and trying to buy his way into Gov't. Can we please send him to mars?
Remember when the IBM XT used to be the most popular PC? IBM piled so many technocrats on it that every design had to be unanimously approved by dozens of other company hardware "experts". The result was technical gridlock that meant improvements stopped happening because each one turned into endless internal arguments. This allowed the competition to catch up and produce cheaper and faster PCs.
Isn’t the same company Boeing that has shown to be untrustworthy with their actions with the major safety violations and the silencing of whistleblowing engineers? Who are they paying off to escape prosecution for that?
Risk/cost analysis was way different back then, it was a race not a commercial viability issue. Boing lost, plain and simple. And let's not forget about the brave people who lost their lives in the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo/space shuttle program. In fact, in my opinion, the space shuttle program was extremely unsafe as there was no escape system.
Great Video ! The Boeing Starliner, the SpaceX Crew Dragon and the Sierra Space Crew Dream Chaser are al needed to support the commercial space stations ! tjl Timothy Lipinski
Uhhh, didn’t they know how to build a capsule back in the late 60’s? I can drive 20 minutes up the road to Nasa and see them. They are there for the copying.
Just regarding Starship flight 3, I thought it was generally considered successful in that both the booster and ship splashed down softly. The burnup was loss of control fins surfaces during reentry, and the landing zone wasn't accurate because of that. Lots of things to fix, but just remember how many Dragon boosters RUD'ed before they got to where they are now.
Boeing has shown that they don't have the skill to manage complex technology. They should seriously consider selling the work they've already done on the Starliner to some other company such as Northrup Grumman. Maybe they could hand over all their designs and engineering staff, along with any patents they may have for this. I'm betting it has less than 100 bugs still remaining. Any other company could easily fix the remaining issues and get this ship flying. This would cost a lot less than starting from scratch. Boeing could get money for the sale, and they would avoid future public humiliation. It would also preserve many jobs of people that did no wrong, other than agree to work for clueless managers.
They used to have that skill. Sadly a number of their engineers predicted that once the head offices were no longer in Seattle things would go downhill. It was once a company where engineers were in charge, now it's got money counters.
Saw a lecture by an individual last year or 2022 about Boeing's space program and his thesis was this: Boeing will have problems because the company does (and relies too much on) computer modeling engineering and testing, instead of hands on engineering and testing. It appears his predictions are coming true. He spoke with a big part of his audience in the aerospace industry, and said people in the audience would not like hearing what he had to say, but he spoke anyway.
Granted the topic of this video was the Starliner, but it seems to me that the elephant in the room is that Boeing has been making planes lately that seem like *TRASH*. Has anyone at NASA noticed that and realized the implications???
The astronauts were lucky to have made it to ISS in the first place. I'd buy a lotto ticket if I were them when they make it back to earth on Space X's rocket.
Boeing said it could not be tested on the ground because it would overheat and they couldn't simulate space(not entirely true, but nobody has a test facility for this, they could have set one to that was close though). The previous launch, Boeing couldn't afford the test launch and threatened to quit the program unless paid 300m, NASA agreed(and violated several rules while doing so, not the least of all, SpaceX should have received the same boost in pay). For the last lunch, again Boeing didn't have money so NASA made it an official crew mission so Boeing could be paid under the crew capsule contract. Crew were placed on a test capsule. Next capsule will have untested fixes +crew or contract will be cancelled. I expect proper testing this time, but whether Boeing can afford the redesign and tests ... And whether Congress will agree to funding for the last few flights, very hard... Plus issues with SLS... No wonder they are holding spacex back.
I heard that NASA likes to work with 2 companies, to have a backup in case something goes wrong with one. That turned out to be a very good decision, with SpaceX coming in for help, but I can't see it working the other way around.
1:22 - This is special for me - I knew and worked for the guy who designed the insulation around the windows on the Apollo capsule... heat is not your friend...
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“ Boing is committed to fix those issues “ thats after the executive management team is done counting their multi million dollar bonuses they still take every year !
I dunno maybe it is just aesthetics, but falcon 9 and Crew Dragon looks slick, futuristic and 21st century - conversely, the Starliner and it's booster with solid fuel rockets bolted on and the "dog house tacked on too with that strange "connector" - it all just looks like Boeing were making it up as they go along....
It seems NASA shows a lot of favoritism towards Starliner despite its many failures and in flight problems, while SpaceX faces an overabundance of resistance from NASA and the FAA. This is despite of SpaceX's superior performance. Wonder WHY that is?
NASA will tell you that it's because they don't want to encourage a monopoly in the space program. When they're really not about private enterprise being successful. Isn't NASA and/or Boeing infiltrated by union labor? There's that as well.
the roots of the problem is allowing certain groups of people to influence which engineers are hired, and which executives are hired and promoted. THat's all.
Boeing has spent 7 or 8 years "developing" Artemis and Starliner neither have been very successful. NASA keeps giving Boeing large amounts of money for very little return. The only reason this continues must be because someone is getting paid off.
I loved the part about leaks on the spacecraft even before launch. Did they bring back the Flight Director from Challenger to make the call for Go For Launch?
I am sure your new President will solve Boeing's failures quite simply by terminating this fiasco, something his predecessor was unwilling to do for some strange reason.
Do you mean Boeing is a state company? Financing for B and SX is from same source. The question no body ask is- who is greasing the slice of breath on both sides during this process and who is the main beneficiary of SX satellites. Why the hell we need to go to Mars instead stop ruin Earth in many ways with the same money. Otherwise no doubt accomplish this kind of space task is a great achievement.
I wonder why they just didn't leave the capsule attached to the ISS just as an escape. You never know if there's a catastrophic failure of the ISS. Better using a suspect capsule than nothing at all to escape. But of course I hope nothing like that ever happens. 😮 Good luck to those astronauts 🤞
What NASA said: We want you to make us a new crewed spacecraft for ISS missions. What Boeing heard: We want you to make us a new crude spacecraft for ISS missions. What Boeing sales typed in the engineering order: Build us a new crud spacecraft for ISS missions.
NASA should get Airbutz to build one. The astronauts will find it more spacious, a smoother and quieter ride, and maybe even the seatback video screens for those in the cheap seats.
Actually it is pretty much accepted among all leading investigations, including NASA and Boeing, that had the astronauts come back with this they would have been fine.
'' The next one will be more spacious, smoother and quieter, and will have seatback video screens for the latecomers that don't get a front-row seat.'' Airbutz
There should not be another crewed mission until they have a flight where the thrusters work flawlessly. Artemis isn't going to get us back to the Moon before 2030.
Boeing did not make the decision not to bring the astronauts back. NASA made that decision; Boeing was arguing for putting them in that capsule. NASA saved their lives. Boeings concern was how it would look to have SpaceX go save them.
Human lives mean nothing to them. Of course they talk the requisite talk but they're not interested in walking the expensive walk as long as that sweet, sweet taxpayer's nectar keeps flowing in courtesy of those two massive suckers they are manipulating, NASA and Congress. Look at the state of Congress and then who NASA is still hanging with, those fine purveyors of pre-assembled space junk - then do the math.
The ISL, Starklieners primary mission, is coming out of orbit in six years so why is the space-junk-to-be being worked on at all? Not only is it a redundant failure, it is a tax-sucking potentially lethal machine. It is only a matter of time.
"Boeing rhymes with going" but it doesn't rhyme with "coming back". 😂
@@mal2ksc The more distance between them and real humans the better.
Well, after losing 14 astronauts and 40% of the shuttle fleet to disasters that were well known and 100% avoidable, I'd say "it's about time"... We got really lucky they only lost 2 out of 5 shuttles-- several other flights came back that were VERY near misses-- sheer luck prevented several more disasters. Why it was PAST time to retire shuttle and replace it even by the time of Challenger which laid the shuttle program faults open for all to see... Thankfully the correct decision was made to retire shuttle after the Columbia disaster killed another 7 astronauts and proved the shuttle was a brittle, expensive, and still experimental system with inherent flaws that could not be fully or reliably corrected.
I'm glad NASA *FINALLY* got the message to put crew safety over operational concerns or "optics" ie appearances... it's about time.
Boeing is done!
If Boeing would put executives in the test launches, reliability would improve dramatically. 😅
If it were the executives who oversaw the recent airliner screw-ups, could be a win-win situation.
Now, THAT'S a great idea!!!
Ah, the Chinese solution. There are many things I wish we'd pick up from the Chinese and many I hope we don't, but that's definitely one of them...
Best solution I've heard so far. It might work.
Execs are irrelevant - they are just paid workers.
Seat the main investors in the prototypes - THAT will move safety.
The thruster overheating issue should had been caught years ago during the design phase.
It was. The engineers reporting design flaws were ignored by the profits first management.
RCS thrusters are not designed by Boeing. Dragon also had a ton of problems but they were ironed out over the cargo missions they did before crewed flights. With this being said Boeing will be moving away from this project. Sierra Space is about to launch Dreamchaser and they will be building a crewed version of the spacecraft. As they will be building the next space station after ISS is pushed into the ocean in 2030 this will push Boeing out of the crewed flight business. Boeing has many other space projects that they are doing well with, they also want to end the starliner project I would imagine, they having already spent 1.5 billion in overages. Space is costly and hard.
Yeah, that's like space flight design 101. And blaming it on subcontractors is just so over done. And Boeing is terrible about cutting corners to save dollars. They are also masters of milking government contracts. "Oh, we discovered this problem and that problem. We don't know how long but we can tell you the price is going up."
@@SouthernRotors They didn't build them, but they designed the dog house and put them in there. 100% their fault as a system integrator you are responsible for the system as a whole.
@@SouthernRotors "Boeing will be moving away from this project" Boeing has contractual obligations.
Like the way Boing states ‘crew safety is their number one priority’ but decided to launch irrespective of the leaks already detected prior to the launch.
The decision to launch has NOTHING to do with Boeing! NASA and NASA only decides if they launch on a NASA mission.
Helium leaks happen, it's a normal thing to work out, SpaceX had a ton of them when they started with the transport dragon. The larger issue is why is the rcs system going supernova? That's the reason they left the crew behind.
"Casting doubt the starliner is ready for crewed missions?" What doubt. The mission failed in so many facets it is an unequivocal failure for missions be they crewed or unmanned.
I think you misheard it, I am sure he said "...ready for screwed missions."🤓
astronuts needed
They cannot even keep commercial equipment in the air. I am flying airbus from now on.
Boeing should be defunded!
@@anonplayer8529...or was it "crude missions"?
I'm surprised the door didn't come off!
It did on the road to the launch site
OOF
@@HongyaMa No it did not. That was a window cover used during transportation only. Also it was not on the way to the launch site!!
The door was the only thing that worked.
@@M2M-matt Still fell off... Cry harder
NASA should fix the issue by dumping Boeing.
They won’t. Part of the military industrial complex.
It's obviously some kind of management problem. Boeing has gotten complacent and sloppy. This also applies to their aircraft business as well. They work harder to cover up their incompetence than they do to correct it.
The company needs a cultural overhaul. They're not going to be able to compete with a company like SpaceX that has an internal culture of striving for excellence.
Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and do some serious house cleaning. Boeing didn't turn into crap overnight.
I heard the next contender is a collaboration between GM, Kawasaki, Airbutz, and Lycoming. Or was it Briggs & Stratton, I forget....
Contract Russia to do the job.
@@peterebel7899 DOA.
If Boeing can not fathom the basic safety of an airliner, it should not be allowed to build space ship. Its that simple.
Why not? Let Boeing build as many as they want. Just don't use them before they are safe!
You're talking as if it's the same people working on the Starliner as the 787 Max. They're completely different divisions of the company, and there's no reason they won't get the thing approved eventually. Remember, it IS rocket science. This stuff is insanely complex, and the spacecraft made it all the way up and all the way back down again intact. That's a credit to any group of engineers, no matter who they work for. It's the over-ambitious management types in the company that you need to keep an eye on, as NASA knows all too well.
Diversity became Boeing's core focus. As their senior engineers retired, Boeing decided to hire new diverse engineers.
Obviously, to meet their Diversity goals, they had to adjust the threshold of engineering competency to make those hires... And now we are witnessing the results.
@@direbearcoat7551 Bullshit. The engineers are not the problem, it's the management, culture and corner-cutting at the top that is the problem. If the higher-ups of the company had a proper relationship with the people who actually do the work, they would be in a much different situation. It's the same attitude that NASA management had with their engineers, and why it's only luck that prevented them from losing more space shuttles. Hiring one or two extra black people isn't the difference here, and the implication that those people are inherently inferior engineers isn't so much a dog whistle as an air horn.
@@robin_holden
I didn't say "Black people." I said, "diverse." Being White, Black, Asian, Hispanic, is not enough. You also have to have some LGBT types, and they have to be progressive in their way of thinking.
Remember, "Math is racist," so governors, like the one in Washington, have signed legislation lowering the math proficiency requirements to graduate. This new generation of engineers are the first wave of this phenomena. The next generation is going to be worse.
And you are right. Management is responsible. They are the ones who made the decision to make these hires. They are ultimately responsible for costs, hiring practices, retention of top talent, recruitment, etc. Look where it's gotten them as they followed CRT, DEI, and their ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) requirements so that Blackrock, and Vanguard will not dump their Boeing shares.
So, yes. Management behavior is what led to the new generation of engineers that don't quite have it in engineering requirements, but can tick off the other boxes.
This isn't just happening at Boeing, it's happening throughout many other industries, and it's happening globally.
Hopefully any fix is on Boeing dime and not the taxpayers
Hopefully they just cancel the entire mess all together!!!
😂
It's the same dime.
You think spaceX runs on musk's money?
@@johnelectric933 actually most of it does, due to investment in the star link system
Space x gets most of it money from that
Starliner is a complete waste of time and money.
Now.
That's the entire point, it seems.
Taxpayers money 💵
Why are you a bean counter? As if you worked for the company. To to research you need to spend money. Duh
There's something criminal going on between NASA & Boeing. Any other match-up would have blown apart long ago.
^..^~~
Cancel the starliner program. And cancel boeing.
I am minded of two sayings by great people: "Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is a sign of insanity," and "Hope is not a strategy."
The shear number of thrusters raises questions. Their reliability is another!
The reliability is probably the reason they had so many thrusters.
Thruster’s failed you say; Ah, just light the one next to it you’ll be fine!
They have a lot of redundancy, that is expected. The rcs system going super hot is not expected.
Redundancy is a good thing.
The starliner was supposed to be built for ISS trips. It’s 2024 and the ISS is toast in 2030 why do they even need this thing now??
Congressional constituents work at Boeing.
Cause we pay for it…..taxpayers get jammed again. They will give Boeing another Billion to fix it. Elon laughs all the way to the bank😅😅😅😅😅
For the next space station.
Extra money for military industrial complex.
To keep the money flowing. Taxpayers--> Government--> NASA--> Boeing--> Lobbyists--> Politicians.
Money makes the world go around.
For all crewed missions, Boeing needs to add additional safety measures by equipping the Starliner with JB Weld and duct tape.
That might apply to all space vehicles.
@@SouthernRotors Actually on one of the moon rovers, a fender got damaged. Nasa feared running without a fender would kick a lot of dust up and into the electronics. So, they devised a fender by using a lamented map and duct tape. I was shocked that they had taken duct tape with them to the moon!
@@cruzin6123 Duct tape is a great fix for many things :)
Since astronauts first smuggled duct tape aboard NASA has sent it on every mission.
@@cruzin6123 After the near disaster of Apollo 13 [needing to patch together incompatible filters, etc] I doubt they would ever be without it
So glad NASA Awarded more than 60% more money to Boeing to do the same job that SpaceX got.
Boeing to NASA: Throw more money at us and we'll fix it...
Maybe Musk's SpaceX solved its problems, by giving themselves a reason to fire off a huge amount of unmanned missions for profit, by launching their own communication network which is Musk's Starlink.
@@ydne I mean Musk makes money, not Starlink. The only reason for the existence of Starlink is to make the Existence of SpaceX relevant.
I'm sure everything can be fixed by giving Boeing execs bigger bonuses.
Boeing: Not your grandparents' aerospace company. 😢
Boeing: Not really an aviation or aerospace company.
This is why I love how SpaceX tests. There’s no computer program that can simulate regular real-world testing to work out the bugs.
Just too bad Bezos, ula, Boeing and their government friends have collaborated to slow SpaceXs’ progress down.
It looks like Boeing's management has wanted to go cheap from the get-go, instead of doing it right in the first place, THEN deciding where and how to cut production costs.
They didn't go cheap at all. The rcs system was built by another company. That being said you would think Boeing would have worked out the rcs heating issues which are likely due to not meeting specs in some way. The helium issues, well, this is normal fare for space vehicles. They can be figured out but Helium is the second lightest gas so it often requires some work. Heck, the Polaris Dawn SpaceX mission was postponed a week or so ago because of a helium leak lol
3:45 You can clearly see the Cyrillic letters on the main first stage nozzles, “RD-180”. Excellent engines; too bad we can’t just get along.
My my how far Boeing has fallen. I'm not sure id feel comfortable on anything they've built recently. So sad to see.
One Boeing aircraft that keeps reliably chugging along--and which I flew for years in the US Army--is the Chinook helicopter, manufactured in Philly. Go, 'Hook, Go!
I won't be flying on anything Boeing any time soon.
@@winfordnettles3292good luck with that 😂
when they moved management to Chicago.
Seems to me the difference between Spacex and Boeing is their approach to engineering.
And their approach to human life.
NASA should require any new space stations to have SpaceX compatible docking ports, just in case.
And the suit interfaces for life support and comm should be universal. Whether it be with an adapter or straight connector, etc
We need the FAA to stop harassing Space X
Boeing controls the FAA and NASA
This what happens when you get in bed with companies and pay them no matter what problems occur
Agree : )))
Harassing?
They are basically negligent, touching SpaceX as well as Boeing and all other private contractors with kids gloves over and over, and letting them waste billions in taxpayer money ad infinitum.
If this Boeing desaster - and SpaceX loosing its third craft by now - shows anything?
Its that the privatizing approach in Space exploration is a giant waste of taxpayer money in favour of billionaire techbros who keep overpromising and under-delivering. Blatantly.
no
Agree
So, Boeng is now selling One way ticket and return on your own risk.
@@alee8479 🤣🤣🤣🤣
LMAO. “ We can definitely get you THERE but you need Elon to bring you back “.
No sweat, Elon owed me Money.@@percyastronautstatus.8780 😃
No one is buying.
WHY in the world would NASA continue to support Boeing?!?!/. OH, yes - follow the money.
Why? A single word: Lobbying.
Boeing viability is integral to ongoing national security, aerospace projects.
@@Snookynibbles car seat kid go…..:-)
@@markknister6272 Ah-HA-HA-HA! 👍🏻
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Saw a lecture by an individual last year or 2022 about Boeing's space program and his thesis was this: Boeing will have problems because the company does (and relies too much on) computer modeling engineering and testing, instead of hands on engineering and testing. It appears his predictions are coming true. He spoke with a big part of his audience in the aerospace industry, and said people in the audience would not like hearing what he had to say, but he spoke anyway.
Yes but the head of the FAA stated that his problem with spacex is that it didn't develop like Boeing. This is the root of the FAA issues with SpaceX.
The FAA does not like hands on engineering and testing and will delay and fine spacex until they change.
Not ready for crewed missions, but definitely ready for crude missions.
Way to go Boeing! Thank God for SpaceX.
If Boeing had not had a gravity assist, it would not have returned to earth.
elon is about as far from god as semi humans can get 😂
Yes starship re-entry was perfect
its a cartoon space X seXy ore whit IDIOTS.
Boeing owes taxpayers about $5B.
Junk
Boeing has paid all overages out of pocket, the next space station will be an American station. No need for SpaceX or Boeing as dreamchaser will be flying routinely by then.
Failure of the Starliner is proof of the failure of the Boeing work ethic. My bro worked in the assembly plant in the 70s where workers used the tail section as a hotbox to smoke pot in during working hours. He and many others quit, after repeated complaints to management and the union did not correct the safety issues that resulted.
Boeing replaced engineers in management with accountants who's job was to reduce costs.
What can go wrong when you fire engineers and ask accountants to build a space craft...
I am not any type of expert
But i can say if they were in the capsule it could end bad
For one reason it commihg back empty means capsule was 2000 lbs lighter
So the whole reentry trajectory\control would be more complex
Let's hope they fix the issue
I think NASA should stop wasting your money.
@@schwags1969???
It doesn;t make it any more complex but it can change the trajectory
two people weigh 2000 lbs?
The suits and other equipments also other items to tsje back
Now that Boeing has got Binliner back, will the FAA be doing an investigation, stopping further launched until it's done?
Investigation? They’re too busy grounding SpaceX, to have the time for that.
They should really cancel this project. It’s just NASA is money laundering Boeing and it just really navigates me that we already have a spacecraft. That is amazing dragon two capsule. It has way more capability than Starliner. I’m sorry, but it’s just I’m not saying that SpaceX is better. It’s just that dragon two has a Cargo pressurized cargo trunk while the star liner does not. I really think that chaser should become a crew and cargo space plane.
Dragon is a great platform but it's not more capable than Starliner. Starliner can perform a burn to increase the orbit of the ISS. IIS will be gone soon and Sierra Space will take over using Dreamchaser along with Dragon 3 it seems. Sierra Space will also build the new version of ISS and the initial habitats on the moon and mars.
Does call into question the ground testing process. While it is difficult to simulate real space conditions, it seems that simulation models are not accurate enough to rely on ground testing alone to verify the design.
The Astronauts told us in the first place that Starliner could not bring them back. They know their business, they are very professional people. Soooo, I would like to say the two astronauts would probably be delighted to stay long-term on the ISS.
There is NO doubt, it's not ready.
Interesting how the interior of Starliner looks primitive compared to that of Crew Dragon! I bet Butcher and Durgastami are excited!
now replace that starliner name with SpaceX for a test to see what the FAA would do with them if that was happened with them...
Yeah, like when spacex, on a whim, blasted a huge concrete launchpad dry, damaging the rocket and equipment on the ground. I am sure FAA withheld the Gov't handout to pay for that. (not)
Nasa is in bed with the FAA
No inquiry or long delay needed.
The FAA will now penalize space x further for flight 5 just to please nasa am i right , watch this space 🚀
@@johnelectric933It was a SpaceX facility and SpaceX Rocket with no damage to govt property. Also there were no humans on that test flight.
@@evthink A nature preserve and the ocean is at least under the protection of the Gov't. Pieces rained down on the closest city and all the crap was in the ocean.
This is NOT ElMu's money, it is all Gov't money. What he did was incredibly irresponsible. Spacexxx is standing on the shoulders of all of NASA's experience and NASA was never irresponsible enough just to "try" destructive stuff, especially while not making sure there was a safe environment for failure. ElMu is NOT an ENGINEER. He just repeats what his very talented employees tell him in a very convincing way. When he meddles we get a blown up launch pad and a damaged launch facility. (Or he loses $44B lof his investor's money proving he has no idea what he is doing running a company like twitter.)
Luckily ElMu is busy destroying xitter and trying to buy his way into Gov't. Can we please send him to mars?
@@evthink Good POINTS
In an alternate reality incompetence is not rewarded and criminal activity is adjudicated!
Remember when the IBM XT used to be the most popular PC? IBM piled so many technocrats on it that every design had to be unanimously approved by dozens of other company hardware "experts". The result was technical gridlock that meant improvements stopped happening because each one turned into endless internal arguments. This allowed the competition to catch up and produce cheaper and faster PCs.
the ford pinto of space
Corvair?
Ya got to the point quickly with no bs. Thanks.
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Isn’t the same company Boeing that has shown to be untrustworthy with their actions with the major safety violations and the silencing of whistleblowing engineers? Who are they paying off to escape prosecution for that?
I like “MAY” improve or may fix etc.. yep you can count on Boeing .
Gosh with all the trips to the moon, you would think they would have this figured out.....lol
Risk/cost analysis was way different back then, it was a race not a commercial viability issue. Boing lost, plain and simple. And let's not forget about the brave people who lost their lives in the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo/space shuttle program. In fact, in my opinion, the space shuttle program was extremely unsafe as there was no escape system.
It is weird that moon tripping NASA can't get a little capsule together.
@@schwags1969 The shuttle losses were purely and absolutely the result of political interference in the design. Period.
Not really, NASA destroyed all the blueprints of the Saturn 5
@@DesertStacker LOL
Great Video ! The Boeing Starliner, the SpaceX Crew Dragon and the Sierra Space Crew Dream Chaser are al needed to support the commercial space stations ! tjl Timothy Lipinski
Uhhh, didn’t they know how to build a capsule back in the late 60’s?
I can drive 20 minutes up the road to Nasa and see them. They are there for the copying.
They had to make it way more costly.
its a cartoon for loons IDIOTS
Just regarding Starship flight 3, I thought it was generally considered successful in that both the booster and ship splashed down softly. The burnup was loss of control fins surfaces during reentry, and the landing zone wasn't accurate because of that. Lots of things to fix, but just remember how many Dragon boosters RUD'ed before they got to where they are now.
It's apparent that the next Starliner Mission will be set back, by about 2 years, at least and w/out Astronauts !
Boeing has shown that they don't have the skill to manage complex technology. They should seriously consider selling the work they've already done on the Starliner to some other company such as Northrup Grumman. Maybe they could hand over all their designs and engineering staff, along with any patents they may have for this. I'm betting it has less than 100 bugs still remaining. Any other company could easily fix the remaining issues and get this ship flying. This would cost a lot less than starting from scratch. Boeing could get money for the sale, and they would avoid future public humiliation. It would also preserve many jobs of people that did no wrong, other than agree to work for clueless managers.
They used to have that skill. Sadly a number of their engineers predicted that once the head offices were no longer in Seattle things would go downhill. It was once a company where engineers were in charge, now it's got money counters.
Saw a lecture by an individual last year or 2022 about Boeing's space program and his thesis was this: Boeing will have problems because the company does (and relies too much on) computer modeling engineering and testing, instead of hands on engineering and testing. It appears his predictions are coming true. He spoke with a big part of his audience in the aerospace industry, and said people in the audience would not like hearing what he had to say, but he spoke anyway.
Granted the topic of this video was the Starliner, but it seems to me that the elephant in the room is that Boeing has been making planes lately that seem like *TRASH*. Has anyone at NASA noticed that and realized the implications???
The astronauts were lucky to have made it to ISS in the first place. I'd buy a lotto ticket if I were them when they make it back to earth on Space X's rocket.
I suspect their luck is pretty much used up.
0:02 No, 'NASA' made the decision to not allow the astronauts to return on Starliner.
its a cartoon for loons IDIOTS
SpaceX knew eventually a landing would fail. Now they know around 30 times is the maximum number of flights they can be used. It wasn't a failure!
Boeing did not choose to bring it back unmanned. NASA did.
If NASA caught the thruster overheating during testing, why wasn't the program stopped to redesign instead of paunching with a live crew? WTF?
Boeing said it could not be tested on the ground because it would overheat and they couldn't simulate space(not entirely true, but nobody has a test facility for this, they could have set one to that was close though).
The previous launch, Boeing couldn't afford the test launch and threatened to quit the program unless paid 300m, NASA agreed(and violated several rules while doing so, not the least of all, SpaceX should have received the same boost in pay). For the last lunch, again Boeing didn't have money so NASA made it an official crew mission so Boeing could be paid under the crew capsule contract. Crew were placed on a test capsule.
Next capsule will have untested fixes +crew or contract will be cancelled. I expect proper testing this time, but whether Boeing can afford the redesign and tests ... And whether Congress will agree to funding for the last few flights, very hard... Plus issues with SLS... No wonder they are holding spacex back.
its a cartoon for loons IDIOTS
I heard that NASA likes to work with 2 companies, to have a backup in case something goes wrong with one. That turned out to be a very good decision, with SpaceX coming in for help, but I can't see it working the other way around.
Boeing should team up with Disney. Together, the dumpster could burn ever so brightly
FUNNY ITS A CARTOON ...NO Aye!
The FAA picks on SpaceX for every small mishap to try to stop them from advancing there fast tech capabilities
1:22 - This is special for me - I knew and worked for the guy who designed the insulation around the windows on the Apollo capsule... heat is not your friend...
Amazing. Would love knowing more about your experience at that time.
its a cartoon space X seXy ore whit IDIOTS. MAN ON THE MOON LOON.
At least there were no (known) missing bolts. Starliner Max coming soon?
What is man child syndrome?
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“ Boing is committed to fix those issues “ thats after the executive management team is done counting their multi million dollar bonuses they still take every year !
In the end, PTFE is still a thermoplastic, allowing permanent material deformation with increasing temperature, and with increasing force.
GO Starship! GO ELON!
Just imagine the fallout if the astronauts had perished in the return. Years behind schedule, vastly over budget. Cancel the contract.
Ahhh…I miss the 60’s! 🚀
Looks like Space x is more dependable
This troubled craft was obsolete before the blueprints dried...and everyone knew it.
I dunno maybe it is just aesthetics, but falcon 9 and Crew Dragon looks slick, futuristic and 21st century - conversely, the Starliner and it's booster with solid fuel rockets bolted on and the "dog house tacked on too with that strange "connector" - it all just looks like Boeing were making it up as they go along....
starliner has space shuttle vibes it looks cool. the one thing we should be agreeing is that boeing made it look good lol
Cancel the doomed program. I no longer even want to fly on one of their airlines.
NASA made the right decision. Who knows what could've happened if the astronauts were onboard. The extra weight may have had a different outcome.
It seems NASA shows a lot of favoritism towards Starliner despite its many failures and in flight problems, while SpaceX faces an overabundance of resistance from NASA and the FAA. This is despite of SpaceX's superior performance. Wonder WHY that is?
Nobody likes Space X
@@juancatfish1 I think it's the other way around.
@@MarkHawthorne976 yes, almost everyone hates Space X
@@juancatfish1 Not in my neck o' the woods. Can you cite examples of where almost everyone hates Space X?
NASA will tell you that it's because they don't want to encourage a monopoly in the space program. When they're really not about private enterprise being successful. Isn't NASA and/or Boeing infiltrated by union labor? There's that as well.
the roots of the problem is allowing certain groups of people to influence which engineers are hired, and which executives are hired and promoted. THat's all.
When you have the right people and a supportive management structure - YOU WILL SUCCEES!!
Bullshit
The FAA appears to only be unreasonably scrutinizing Space X. Wonder why?
All these problems with Starliner will be fixed with a 20 Bil. contract to develop Starliner Max!
And the FAA has delayed SpaceX for two months stating SpaceX needs to have a safety culture like Boeing. Purely political
Should we be surprised it got to the ISS in the first place?
Thank God it did 🙏
Boeing has found a way to inhabit space!! Just take them out, but don't.bring them back
GOODBYE & GOOD RIDDANCE TO STARLINER ! ! !
*If it's Boeing, I ain't going.*
Boeing's 10,000 currently flying commercial planes beg to differ.
its a cartoon for loons IDIOTS.....SPACE X SE X Y OR WHAT..sos
They knew of the issues when testing. And still decided to use it? Testing is where you find problems and "fix" them. Not find them and ignore them.
Mars landing in 2026? I won't hold my breath.
No problem China already has.
@@richardscathouse hold my chopsticks.
Not on a Boeing product, anyway........
Not so far
It's possible, but I can't see it happening with crew. No launch/landing pad to guarantee safety.
These things have so many design teams systems and components, it's mind boggling how its all managed and co ordinated.
Boeing has spent 7 or 8 years "developing" Artemis and Starliner neither have been very successful. NASA keeps giving Boeing large amounts of money for very little return. The only reason this continues must be because someone is getting paid off.
Its because Boeing puts jobs for these things and SLS in every congressional district.
I loved the part about leaks on the spacecraft even before launch.
Did they bring back the Flight Director from Challenger to make the call for Go For Launch?
Elon = Crewed missions. Boeing = Crude missions
I am sure your new President will solve Boeing's failures quite simply by terminating this fiasco, something his predecessor was unwilling to do for some strange reason.
What a colossal waste of TAXPAYER FUNDS. Rent the spacecraft you need from a private company, imho.
Do you mean Boeing is a state company? Financing for B and SX is from same source. The question no body ask is- who is greasing the slice of breath on both sides during this process and who is the main beneficiary of SX satellites. Why the hell we need to go to Mars instead stop ruin Earth in many ways with the same money.
Otherwise no doubt accomplish this kind of space task is a great achievement.
Great coverage
I wouldn't fancy a flight on that thing. Gimme Space X Dragon for my trip.
its a cartoon for loons IDIOTS.....SPACE X SE X Y OR WHAT..sos
I wonder why they just didn't leave the capsule attached to the ISS just as an escape. You never know if there's a catastrophic failure of the ISS. Better using a suspect capsule than nothing at all to escape. But of course I hope nothing like that ever happens. 😮 Good luck to those astronauts 🤞
Only two parking spots and the next crewed Dragon flight is due any time.
Sorry, NASA made the decision to bring them back.
What NASA said: We want you to make us a new crewed spacecraft for ISS missions.
What Boeing heard: We want you to make us a new crude spacecraft for ISS missions.
What Boeing sales typed in the engineering order: Build us a new crud spacecraft for ISS missions.
NASA should get Airbutz to build one. The astronauts will find it more spacious, a smoother and quieter ride, and maybe even the seatback video screens for those in the cheap seats.
cant they need to go further than amsterdam 😂
Actually it is pretty much accepted among all leading investigations, including NASA and Boeing, that had the astronauts come back with this they would have been fine.
"It's a very bad design." John Yaya
'' The next one will be more spacious, smoother and quieter, and will have seatback video screens for the latecomers that don't get a front-row seat.'' Airbutz
There should not be another crewed mission until they have a flight where the thrusters work flawlessly. Artemis isn't going to get us back to the Moon before 2030.