"in queue a suburb of London" Kew Chumley Charles Cholmondeley The driver who took the body to Scotland was St. John Horsefell. The famous champion racing driver. Killed at Silverstone in August 1949. Never use a U.S narrator for a British topic. Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
No mention was made of putting the fingerprints of the corpse on the personal items, or would the time in salt water have made this check worthless? There was so much attention to detail, and this was a detail.
We Brits were very lucky to get away with this, that's the way things go but what a story! The recent book by Ben Macintyre and the documentary on War Department Film Club channel here on RUclips are as accurate as you'll get I feel. The movie Operation Mincemeat in spite of a brilliant cast is to me disappointing, too many sub plots and untruths. The earlier 1950's film was off the mark because of British secrecy laws of the time. UK Government still lock secrets away from the public for up to 100 years.
The scenario of this audacious plan was first suggested by Ian Fleming, the author of the James Bond novels when he worked as an intelligence officer during the war. I just watched an earlier British documentary which is a whole lot better than this effort. It included interviews with a number of ex Intelligent officer women, one of whose photograph was used as the fictional girlfriend of the fictional major Martin.
Completed back stories of captured spies as corpses or living individuals revealing brilliantly mysterious,doubted and mistrust in intelligent mind of investigation 🔎 officer's...Germans resistance in Southern Italy 🇮🇹 was furiously embodied and ultra stubbornness acted until (Anzio) city captured behind Gostav line in middle of Italian peninsula...
"A little island in the south of Italy"? Really?? Sicily is the largest island in the Mediterranean. It is slightly larger than Sardinia but larger than the next 5 islands combined.
A fascinating story spoilt only by the involvement of US Americans. An modern day, eminent, English forensic pathologist and a former head of MI6 would have carried much more credibility than some entirely unknown, geriatric, US pathologist and some has been ex CIA administrator. Even the list of the major’s possessions had been needlessly retyped using the US misspelling of “theater tickets”. Nowhere in the UK would such a spelling ever be seen. To the best of my knowledge, the US had no involvement in this operation. This presentation is as ridiculous as casting a US actor to play Robin Hood, despite his complete inability to properly pronounce the name of his character.
@@TheKIMANO The average US American demonstrates an inherent need to exaggerate their importance or relevance to any given situation. Modesty or understatement aren’t traits commonly seen in those from the US. Everyone seems to need to be “a star”.
Outrageous, these damned colonial upstarts daring to even inflict their spelling on this British tale. Shocking behaviour. Or should that be behavior? Tunbridge Wells must be in turmoil.
@desertmandan123 covered in the original book. they chose spain because they assumed correctly the local pathologist was not as thorough as a german would have been.
Hitler didn't commit suicide in 1945, he headed south to Spain. Crossed the Atlantic in a U boat landing observed in Argentina. Where he lived with Eva in two locations, both of which were built of stone to high standards, in very defensive positions.
This is a great story .... but its got a few holes in it ....The BIGGEST hole is ....there was no airplane crash ..they took the body there in a submarine ....wheres the air craft debris ...wheres the oil slick .....wheres the CRASH site ? The next hole is that they placed the body 1.5 Kilometers off shore .... The danger of this body just washing out to sea and never been found is probably more likely than not ..The next hole ....a single LONE fisherman found the body ? What are the chances ? A million to 1 ? 10 000 to 1 ? - I think they mite have atttempted this ...along with a whole heap of other hair brained ideas ....without any real results ....
Point is that historically it worked! That this video has such unbelievable factors may well b the usual masking of the true details of the plan. These details most probably are still kept as confidential. But that there was such a plan carried out and reasonably successful in obtaining the desired results for the British at that time renains a great fact of history.
@@techlife9853 of course it worked. They know the body was recovered along with the fake letters. They know the Germans saw the letters because a planted eyelash was missing from the sealed envelopes. But the best evidence that it worked was that Hitler moved troops away from Sicily.
@@techlife9853you must be right. Clearly all the documentary evidence has been faked to allow a fake story to be told. A decoy operation for a decoy operation.
Liberation of Eourop & suicide of hitler was not due to allied attack on sicily. Russia had single handedly defeated hitler & when Russia reached Berlin only then allied forces entered Germany. It should be kept in mind that all allied forces together couldn't dare to attack sicily & attacked only after months of planning & deception
@@baker432003 Supplies america,uk provided just to save their own asses because after Russia next were they. supplies don't count. Blood & guts are counted . U can't claim whole victory just because u supplied supplies.
@@baker432003 just on the bases of providing supplies the west is claiming whole victory & erasing Russia like Russia didn't matter. This is the worst degree of corruption
Planning and deception are important tools to employ before sacrificing the lives of your comrades. That Stalin or, for that matter, Hitler, to say the least, did not have the same approach to human life is not a big secret. One can also add that the "freedom" the Russians offered to most of Eastern Europe after the war had very little to do with freedom. A small part of Denmark was actually occupied by the Russians a whole year after the rest was liberated.
Hmm. Very selective history. Russia single-handedly defeated Hitler, but Stalin & Zhukov claimed they never would have survived without US aid. I'm sure you know better than Stalin & Zhukov though.
It was a great movie with Stephen Boyd, (I believe) Gloria Graham and Clifton Webb, "The Man Who Never Was" also known as "Mincemeat".
Yes but the 2021 version was dreadful!
Amazing! Brave genius plan..& it worked! Ty for the history
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An outstanding documentary…. Congratulations!! This story was fascinating and brilliant.
I cannot but agree!
Simply fabulous Darling!!!!
"in queue a suburb of London" Kew
Chumley
Charles Cholmondeley
The driver who took the body to Scotland was St. John Horsefell. The famous champion racing driver. Killed at Silverstone in August 1949.
Never use a U.S narrator for a British topic.
Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
As a general rule, US narrators are entirely second rate.
@@anushkasekkingstad1300
And that's being charitable. Writers and narrators, especially anything outside the United States. "Paris, France."
@@JackBlack-ii1ip You’re absolutely correct. Who needs to be told repeatedly that Paris is in France?
@@anushkasekkingstad1300 Americans with no sense of geography. Most Americans can't even read a map.
Interesting/informative/entertaining. Perhaps the best espeonise scheme of WW-2-???
Operation Body Guard and other “Ghost Army” endeavors were right up there too.
This is the third documentary I am aware of on this subject. This has added nothing new.
What us that song at the end?
I'm wondering since it was a plane crash wouldn't there be some kind of debris to help prove the crash?
Only us Brits could come up with a plan like that, and use it successfully!
Interesting. Overpowering BGM, however.
No mention was made of putting the fingerprints of the corpse on the personal items, or would the time in salt water have made this check worthless? There was so much attention to detail, and this was a detail.
Great detail indeed .... No Airplane though ...no oil slick ...no debris .....
@@techlife9853 No parachute either ... sounds sketchy
the 2021 remake was awful
We Brits were very lucky to get away with this, that's the way things go but what a story! The recent book by Ben Macintyre and the documentary on War Department Film Club channel here on RUclips are as accurate as you'll get I feel. The movie Operation Mincemeat in spite of a brilliant cast is to me disappointing, too many sub plots and untruths. The earlier 1950's film was off the mark because of British secrecy laws of the time. UK Government still lock secrets away from the public for up to 100 years.
People have been charged with abuse of a corpse or a desecration of a corpse for less 😂
The scenario of this audacious plan was first suggested by Ian Fleming, the author of the James Bond novels when he worked as an intelligence officer during the war.
I just watched an earlier British documentary which is a whole lot better than this effort. It included interviews with a number of ex Intelligent officer women, one of whose photograph was used as the fictional girlfriend of the fictional major Martin.
What was the documentary?
Completed back stories of captured spies as corpses or living individuals revealing brilliantly mysterious,doubted and mistrust in intelligent mind of investigation 🔎 officer's...Germans resistance in Southern Italy 🇮🇹 was furiously embodied and ultra stubbornness acted until (Anzio) city captured behind Gostav line in middle of Italian peninsula...
"A little island in the south of Italy"? Really?? Sicily is the largest island in the Mediterranean. It is slightly larger than Sardinia but larger than the next 5 islands combined.
There are better documentaries about this story.
Much better ones.
A fascinating story spoilt only by the involvement of US Americans. An modern day, eminent, English forensic pathologist and a former head of MI6 would have carried much more credibility than some entirely unknown, geriatric, US pathologist and some has been ex CIA administrator.
Even the list of the major’s possessions had been needlessly retyped using the US misspelling of “theater tickets”. Nowhere in the UK would such a spelling ever be seen. To the best of my knowledge, the US had no involvement in this operation. This presentation is as ridiculous as casting a US actor to play Robin Hood, despite his complete inability to properly pronounce the name of his character.
Totally agree. Stories about the Second World War always have to be twisted a little when the Americans have to tell them.
@@TheKIMANO The average US American demonstrates an inherent need to exaggerate their importance or relevance to any given situation. Modesty or understatement aren’t traits commonly seen in those from the US. Everyone seems to need to be “a star”.
Outrageous, these damned colonial upstarts daring to even inflict their spelling on this British tale. Shocking behaviour. Or should that be behavior? Tunbridge Wells must be in turmoil.
@@anushkasekkingstad1300 It’s an nation wide inferiority complex, isn’t it? 🤣🇬🇧
@@Roz-y2d To which nation do you refer? There are very few nations inferior to the deeply dysfunctional U.S.
Reenactments
Dire!
But there was no proof of death by drowning......suspicious
No airplane either ...no sign of an airplane
@desertmandan123 covered in the original book. they chose spain because they assumed correctly the local pathologist was not as thorough as a german would have been.
Sicily, A LITTLE ISLAND????? GET GLASSES MON!!!!! 😮
Hitler didn't commit suicide in 1945, he headed south to Spain. Crossed the Atlantic in a U boat landing observed in Argentina. Where he lived with Eva in two locations, both of which were built of stone to high standards, in very defensive positions.
Typical British brilliance. Brains not beef!!
b g m ? eh?
DNA test. Exume Major Martin’s body in Spain. Match it to his parents bodies in Wales.
They found his family, that’s how they identified him.
This is a great story .... but its got a few holes in it ....The BIGGEST hole is ....there was no airplane crash ..they took the body there in a submarine ....wheres the air craft debris ...wheres the oil slick .....wheres the CRASH site ? The next hole is that they placed the body 1.5 Kilometers off shore .... The danger of this body just washing out to sea and never been found is probably more likely than not ..The next hole ....a single LONE fisherman found the body ? What are the chances ? A million to 1 ? 10 000 to 1 ? - I think they mite have atttempted this ...along with a whole heap of other hair brained ideas ....without any real results ....
Point is that historically it worked! That this video has such unbelievable factors may well b the usual masking of the true details of the plan. These details most probably are still kept as confidential. But that there was such a plan carried out and reasonably successful in obtaining the desired results for the British at that time renains a great fact of history.
Yet it worked. Leave the details to the pros.
@@TeamFish15 Dont think it did work ... this is just a war time story ....of which there are 1000s
@@techlife9853 of course it worked. They know the body was recovered along with the fake letters. They know the Germans saw the letters because a planted eyelash was missing from the sealed envelopes. But the best evidence that it worked was that Hitler moved troops away from Sicily.
@@techlife9853you must be right. Clearly all the documentary evidence has been faked to allow a fake story to be told. A decoy operation for a decoy operation.
Liberation of Eourop & suicide of hitler was not due to allied attack on sicily. Russia had single handedly defeated hitler & when Russia reached Berlin only then allied forces entered Germany. It should be kept in mind that all allied forces together couldn't dare to attack sicily & attacked only after months of planning & deception
Really and where did Stalin get the supplies he needed so badly? Rewriting history to fit your warped view is funny at best.
@@baker432003
Supplies america,uk provided just to save their own asses because after Russia next were they. supplies don't count. Blood & guts are counted . U can't claim whole victory just because u supplied supplies.
@@baker432003 just on the bases of providing supplies the west is claiming whole victory & erasing Russia like Russia didn't matter. This is the worst degree of corruption
Planning and deception are important tools to employ before sacrificing the lives of your comrades. That Stalin or, for that matter, Hitler, to say the least, did not have the same approach to human life is not a big secret. One can also add that the "freedom" the Russians offered to most of Eastern Europe after the war had very little to do with freedom. A small part of Denmark was actually occupied by the Russians a whole year after the rest was liberated.
Hmm. Very selective history. Russia single-handedly defeated Hitler, but Stalin & Zhukov claimed they never would have survived without US aid. I'm sure you know better than Stalin & Zhukov though.
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