Martin Luther once said, “Of all the Church Fathers you can name, not one of them ever spoke about the sacrament in the way these fanatics do.” What Luther is pointing out here is that, according to him, no early Christian theologians or Church Fathers described the Eucharist in the same way that certain radical reformers of his time did. These fanatics, as he called them, rejected the idea of Christ’s real presence in the Eucharist, a belief that Luther still held, although his understanding differed from the Catholic view. Luther was emphasizing that the traditional understanding of the Eucharist, supported by the early Church Fathers, recognized the presence of Christ in the sacrament, which was in contrast to the more symbolic interpretation promoted by some of the more extreme reformers of his era.
The title "pope" was from the early 3rd century an honorific designation used for any bishop in the West. In the East, it was used only for the bishop of Alexandria. Marcellinus (d. 304) is the first bishop of Rome shown in sources to have had the title "pope" used of him.
• There aren’t any officiating new covenant priests. We have a new ministry in the new covenant. Ephesians 4:11 • God does not show favoritism Romans 2:11 -- there is no evidence in the scriptures that the church was built on a human. We do not have a human pope to guide us. We are led by the Spirit. Acts 1:5
Please....take a class in "Basic Christianity 101" that includes study of the Church before 1600 A.D. (about the time your way of interpreting Scripture came about!) and you just might find out a few things about the "Faith Once Delivered really show me in the bible This office has now expired then show me where thiese have expired as well John 20:21 John 20:22 John 20:23 Matt. 9:8 Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10 Luke 5:24 Matt. 18:18 John 20:22-23; Matt. 18:18 2 Cor. 2:10 2 Cor. 5:18 James 5:15-16 1 Tim. 2:5 Lev. 5:4-6; 19:21-22 James 5:16 James 5:14-15 Acts 19:18 Matt. 3:6; Mark 1:5 1 Tim. 6:12 1 John 1:9 Num. 5:7 2 Sam. 12:14 Neh. 9:2-3 Sir. 4:26 Baruch 1:14 1 John 5:16-17; Luke 12:47-48 Matt. 5:19
Acts 9:31 The verse they use is: Act 9:31 Hai men oun e EKKLESIA KATH'OLES tes Ioudaias kai Galalaias kai Samarias. And KATH' OLES they would like impose that this term refers to the CATHOLIC name. Unfortunately for them, that translation when translated by other biblical scholars has NEVER been rendered nor referred to the Catholic name. ---Acts 9:31-42 *****Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 31 So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samar′ia had peace and was built up; ----Where is the church named Catholic in a CATHOLIC bible???? --Catholics are taking 2 words and making it into one. ---KATH--throughout '----OLES-----All---- ----Let me insert the name "catholic" into that verse. 31 So the church catholic Judea and Galilee and Samar′ia had peace and was built up; How does that make sense??? That verse is talking about PEACE IN THREE areas---nations!!! NOT the whole world!!! No mention of Spain, Greece, Italy, Rome, etc!!!! Without the words :"throughout all", that sentence makes no sense!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Catholic name is an INVENTED name A lot of Catholics believe their name to be biblical. They allude certain verse coming from the Greek bible as proof that the the Catholic name is indeed biblical. Unfortunately, that is the point being driven by their catholic defenders which is erroneous sad to say. It is not really surprising that most catholics are taking it Hook, Line and Sinker. Kindly pardon such terms if your offended. But allow me to point out why I have said this. The the verse they use is: Act 9:31 Hai men oun e EKKLESIA KATH'OLES tes Ioudaias kai Galalaias kai Samarias. And KATH' OLES they would like impose that this term refers to the CATHOLIC name. Unfortunately for them, that translation when translated by other biblical scholars has NEVER been rendered nor referred to the Catholic name. What a Catholic authority rather attest is that the Catholic name is just an INVENTED NAME. The Church founded by Christ is here, for the first time, called the Catholic Church, a name clearly to denote the Church throughout the world in union with the see or diocese of Rome. It was stress the unity of the universal Church that St. Ignatius INVENTED THE NAME. (Roman Catholic, Rev. Edward Taylor, p.3) So its not really surprising that the Catholic name is NEVER found in the bible. whether it be a Catholic or Protestant translation. It is just unfortunate this is being used to fool the unwary soul if one just takes his mentor's word for it. If anyone here does not agree. then by all means do find an English translation referring to that verse and that the greek term to be the Catholic name. The greek term KATH'OLIS does not in anyway refer to the Catholic name. hence, several english translations of the same verse has never rendered it to refer to the Catholic name. For the Catholic name according to a catholic authority Rev. Edward Taylor said that the "Catholic" name was just an INVENTED NAME. No doubt about that.
*Was the Orthodox Church founded by Jesus? The Orthodox Church is the original Christian Church founded by Jesus and continued by his Apostles. It is the same Church described in the Bible as the Body of Christ and the Bride of Christ (1 Corinthians 12 : 27; Ephesians 5 : 23-25). >>
What did the apostles use to decide who would replace Judas?? ACTS 1:21-23. HAD to have seen Jesus be baptised!! MUST have walked /talked to Jesus during His ministry. MUST have seen Jesus after His resurrection!!! NO ONE after John meets those qualifications!!!! >>> --Pope St. Linus--- Born Born: 10 AD, Volterra, Italy So, when did he travel to Jerusalem just to see Jeus be baptized??? At age 23. >>>Pope Anacletus---- c. AD 25 Rome, Roman Empire----- So, when did he travel to Jerusalem just to see Jesus be baptized?? At age 4!!!! >>>> Clement----born c. 35 AD Rome, Roman Empire So, when did he travel to Jerusalem just to see Jesus be baptized?? Before he was born???? According to Tertullian, writing c. 199, the Roman Church claimed that Clement was ordained by St. Peter (De Praescript., xxxii) NOT ONE VERSE in ALL scripture that says that!!!! Philippians 4:3 A tradition that began in the 3rd and 4th century, has identified him as the Clement that Paul mentioned in Philippians 4:3, a fellow laborer in Christ. TRADITION!!! as a FELLOW LABORER!!!! Phil 4:[3] Yes, I beg you also, true yoke-fellow, help these women, for they labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
• Adding doctrines is apostasy and it’s forbidden. Deuteronomy 4:2*, *Galatians 1:6-7 ***Mark 7:7*** Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Martin Luther's addition of the word "alone" in Romans 3;28 is a striking example of how translation can be influenced by theological beliefs. Although this word is not present in the original Greek text, Luther believed its inclusion was necessary to convey what he saw as the core message of the Gospel. This decision had a profound impact on the development of Protestant theology and the history of Christianity.
When was the first church in Rome built? Built as early as AD 280, Santa Susana is considered the oldest church in Rome. For a Cistercian sisters' monastery established on the property in 1587 that is still there, the present church was reconstructed from 1585 to 1603. Since that was the FIRST Catholic church built on Rome, HOW COULD Peter be the first Pope of the Catholic church in Rome??? >> What was the first church built by Constantine in Rome? Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran Cathedral of Rome Consecrated AD 324 >> What is the oldest church in the Vatican? St. Peter's Basilica Status Major basilica Consecrated c. 360 >>> What was the original Catholic Church in Rome? San Giovanni in Laterano St. John Lateran San Giovanni in Laterano St. John Lateran is actually the official cathedral of Rome (not St. Peter's!) and is the seat of the bishop of Rome - a.k.a. the Pope. One of the four major basilicas in Rome, the cathedral was built in the 4th century AD and is believed to be one the first Catholic churches in Rome. >> What was the Vatican originally called? Vatican City - Wikipedia Ager Vaticanus "Vatican" is derived from the name of an Etruscan settlement, Vatica or Vaticum, located in the general area the Romans called Ager Vaticanus, "Vatican territory". The Italian name of the city is Città del Vaticano or, more formally, Stato della Città del Vaticano, meaning 'Vatican City State'.
@@rafoF1 quote----Jesus literally made st. Peter the first Pope.... unquote Matt 16:13-20 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition Peter’s Declaration about Jesus 13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesare′a Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Eli′jah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”[a] 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”[b] 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter,[c] and on this rock[d] I will build my church, and the powers of death[e] shall not prevail against it.[f] 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,[g] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ. ******SO, literally, WHERE is the title "POPE": mentioned??????? FACT: Pope was first used for all bishops. And then Pope Leo was the first to be called Pope. 29 September 440 - 10 November 461 (21 years, 42 days)St Leo I ---OVER 400 years AFTER Christ!!! >>FACT: When was the first church in Rome built? Built as early as AD 280, Santa Susana is considered the oldest church in Rome. For a Cistercian sisters' monastery established on the property in 1587 that is still there, the present church was reconstructed from 1585 to 1603. *****Since that was the FIRST Catholic church built on Rome, HOW COULD Peter be the first Pope of the Catholic church in Rome??? MORE than 200 years after his death!!!! ---Ephesians 5:23-25 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands. 25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, What does that say about WHO IS HEAD of the Church! And I quote " as Christ is the head of the church," And I quote--"24 As the church is subject to Christ, "--NOT TO A POPE!!! >>>>>>> -----When was the first council of the Catholic Church? First Council of Nicaea | Description, History, Significance ... 325 First Council of Nicaea, (325), the first ecumenical council of the Catholic church, meeting in ancient Nicaea (now İznik, Turkey). It was called by the emperor Constantine I, an unbaptized catechumen, who presided over the opening session and took part in the discussions. -----NOT at the time of Jesus!!!
@@mitchellosmer1293 do you really think that there are 1.2 billion Catholics who think there is the word Pope in the Bible? I'm not saying it is in the Bible. What he said is Pope. Not exactly the word. Now tell me where is sola scriptura mentioned in the Bible and why do you follow ut
@@rafoF1 quote--do you really think that there are 1.2 billion Catholics who think there is the word Pope in the Bible?--unquote Yes!!! That is the excuse you all use to "prove" Peter is THE first Pope"!!!!!! THAT IS what I am told by 90% of the replies I get!!! >>>Quote---I'm not saying it is in the Bible. .. unquote Good, because it is NOT!!! >>>Quote---What he said is Pope. Not exactly the word. --unquoet Nope!!!! Matthew 16:13-20 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition Peter’s Declaration about Jesus 13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesare′a Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Eli′jah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”[a] 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”[b] 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter,[c] and on this rock[d] I will build my church, and the powers of death[e] shall not prevail against it.[f] 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,[g] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ. NOT EVEN CLOSE!!! >>>Quote--- Now tell me where is sola scriptura mentioned in the Bible and why do you follow ut...unquote ----Hebrews 4:12 12 Indeed, the word of God is living and effective, sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even between soul and spirit, joints and marrow, and able to discern reflections and thoughts of the heart), or seen implicitly through its lens. --- Deuteronomy 17:14-20 states that we “shall not turn away from God’s Word, not to the right or the left”. ---Psalm 1:2 and Joshua 1:7-8 says that “the righteous person dwells on the Word of the Lord day and night”. ----Deuteronomy 8:3 states that “we do not live on bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God”. ----Proverbs 30:5-6 states: 5 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. -----Sola Scriptura ultimately means God’s Word alone-that we are not to add or take away any of God’s words but to submit ourselves to its supreme authority. --I will ask you, which NO ONE has replied to: Who's other writings does GOD tell us to accept as the truth??? QUOTE FROM the BIBLE!!!! ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!
«I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”» Matthew 16:18-19 NASB1995
Is Catholicism mentioned in other early writings? The other early uses that appear after Ignatius are in the Martyrdom of Polycarp (around AD 150), “…and to all the congregations of the Holy and Catholic Church in every place…”, and then also in the earliest New Testament list from around the second century,[2] the Muratorian fragment the phrase is found three times: ( First of all to the Corinthians (to whom) he forbids the heresy of schism, then to the Galatians (to whom he forbids) circumcision, and then to the Romans, (to whom) he explains that Christ is the rule of the scriptures ....) NEVER mentioned in the Bible!!!
@@mitchellosmer1293 hello Mitchell I will not be able to answer your questions as we are different in our views. I will just say that you do not find everything in the Bible as for example: 1. **Sola Scriptura**: - **Meaning**: Scripture alone is the ultimate authority for faith and practice. - **Not explicitly in the Bible**: While the Bible emphasizes the importance of Scripture (e.g., 2 Timothy 3:16-17), it doesn't explicitly state that Scripture alone is the sole authority. 2. **Sola Fide**: - **Meaning**: Justification by faith alone. - **Not explicitly in the Bible**: The concept is derived from passages like Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 3:28, but the exact phrase "faith alone" is not found in the context of justification in the Bible. 3. **The Trinity**: - **Meaning**: The doctrine that God exists as three persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) in one essence. - **Not explicitly in the Bible**: While the Bible references the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the term "Trinity" and the detailed doctrine were developed by the early church councils. 4. **The Canon of Scripture**: - **Meaning**: The specific list of books considered to be authoritative Scripture. - **Not explicitly in the Bible**: The Bible itself does not provide a list of its own contents. The canon was recognized and affirmed by church councils over time. 5. **Sunday Worship**: - **Meaning**: Observing Sunday as the primary day of Christian worship. - **Not explicitly in the Bible**: Early Christians began meeting on Sunday (the first day of the week) to commemorate Jesus’ resurrection (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2), but the Bible does not command Sunday as the designated day of worship. 6. **The Rapture**: - **Meaning**: The belief that Christians will be taken up to meet Christ in the air before a period of tribulation. - **Not explicitly in the Bible**: This concept is interpreted from passages like 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, but the term "rapture" and the detailed sequence of events are not explicitly stated. 7. **The Five Solas**: - **Meaning**: Key principles of the Protestant Reformation (Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Solus Christus, Soli Deo Gloria). - **Not explicitly in the Bible**: These solas are theological summaries derived from various scriptural teachings but are not phrases found in the Bible. 8. **The Priesthood of All Believers**: - **Meaning**: Every Christian has direct access to God without needing a human mediator. - **Not explicitly in the Bible**: Derived from passages like 1 Peter 2:9 and Revelation 1:6, the phrase itself is not found in the Bible. Bless you all Lord and open our eyes and hearts to your love and mercy.
@@FIAT-Voluntas-Tua-333 quote---1. **Sola Scriptura**: - **Meaning**: Scripture alone is the ultimate authority for faith and practice. - **Not explicitly in the Bible**: While the Bible emphasizes the importance of Scripture (e.g., 2 Timothy 3:16-17), it doesn't explicitly state that Scripture alone is the sole authority... unquote Nor is purgatory in the bible!!! ----Hebrews 4:12 Indeed, the word of God is living and effective, sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even between soul and spirit, joints and marrow, and able to discern reflections and thoughts of the heart), or seen implicitly through its lens. ----Deuteronomy 17:14-20 states that we “shall not turn away from God’s Word, not to the right or the left”. ----Psalm 1:2 and Joshua 1:7-8 says that “the righteous person dwells on the Word of the Lord day and night”. ----Deuteronomy 8:3 states that “we do not live on bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God”. ---Proverbs 30:5-6 states: 5 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. Sola Scriptura ultimately means God’s Word alone-that we are not to add or take away any of God’s words but to submit ourselves to its supreme authority. --I will ask you, which NO ONE has replied to: Who's other writings does GOD tell us to accept as the truth??? QUOTE FROM the BIBLE!!!! Answer the question!!! Who's other writings does GOD tell us to accept as the truth??? QUOTE FROM the BIBLE!!!! If a verse. contradicts the Word of God, then it HAS TO BE FALSE!!! >>>Quote--3. **The Trinity**: - **Meaning**: The doctrine that God exists as three persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) in one essence. - **Not explicitly in the Bible**: While the Bible references the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the term "Trinity" and the detailed doctrine were developed by the early church councils... unquote The what are these two verses about? Matt 3:16-17 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. FATHER, SON and holy Spirit!!!! ----- Luke 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last. FATHER, SON and holy Spirit!!!! You want to dismiss those also????? >>>Quote-----5. **Sunday Worship**: - **Meaning**: Observing Sunday as the primary day of Christian worship. - **Not explicitly in the Bible**: Early Christians began meeting on Sunday (the first day of the week) to commemorate Jesus’ resurrection (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2), but the Bible does not command Sunday as the designated day of worship... unquote OBVIOUSLY you like taking verses OUT of CONTEXT!!! READ THE WHOLE STORY in Acts!! Verse 11--they ATE A MEAL!!! ---1 Corinthians 16:2 on the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no. WHY DID you NOT bother to ask the basic question?? What was the "collection " for??????? What does 1 Corinthians 16:2 mean? Paul begins to give the church in Corinth specific instructions about collecting money for suffering Jewish Christians in Jerusalem. Many Bible teachers apply these as ground-level principles for how modern Christians should give to local churches and other needs. This tells the Corinthians to give to this collection weekly, individually, and proportionally. Specifically, each person-or household-is to set aside some amount of money on the first day of every week. It's not clear if this money is meant to be brought to the weekly gathering of the church and held in a central location. Or, it might be simply set aside, person by person, to be delivered together when Paul arrives. The Christians had adopted the first day of the week-Sunday-as their time to gather together, likely because Christ was raised from the dead on a Sunday. Paul told everyone to contribute to the collection, rich and poor alike. His letter had already revealed a potential rift between the wealthy and the working poor in the church (1 Corinthians 11:20-22). Paul insisted this gift for their brothers and sisters in Jerusalem should come from all of them together. That universal command to give, however, is qualified by the phrase "as he may prosper." Paul encouraged proportional giving, meaning that each person should give a percentage of their income instead of a set amount. Notably, Paul does not instruct them to give ten percent, also called a tithe. In fact, the New Testament never commands Christians to tithe in the way the Old Testament required (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26). Jews living under the Old Testament law were obligated to tithe, in addition to other required contributions to the temple and the priests. Instead, Paul commands to give as each has prospered. This means out of any surplus income above their needs. Historians tell us that many in Corinth among the poorer classes were likely just barely surviving from week to week themselves. Finally, Paul tells the Corinthians to set aside the money week by week so that no collecting will need to be done when he arrives to organize the delivery of the gift. He does not explain why, but Paul likely wanted to avoid the awkwardness of demanding that the Corinthians come up with some money on the spot when he came and to encourage them to develop the habit of setting aside for the needs of others as a regular practice. >>>ALSO_-WHERE in the bible did GOD Command to keep Sunday holy??? Where in the bible did GOD REST on the first day of the week? Where in the bible did GOD BLESS the first day of the week? Where in the bible did GOD SANCTIFY the first day of the week? Where in the bible did GOD NAME the first day of the week? Where in the bible did GOD DECLARE the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY? >>>Quote---6. **The Rapture**: - **Meaning**: The belief that Christians will be taken up to meet Christ in the air before a period of tribulation. - **Not explicitly in the Bible**: This concept is interpreted from passages like 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, but the term "rapture" and the detailed sequence of events are not explicitly stated.... unquote --------1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 New International Version 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. -----What is the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 4 16 17? Christians who have died will receive their resurrected bodies, and living Christians will be caught up to join them, to be with the Lord forever. Paul urged the Thessalonian believers to use what he wrote about the rapture to encourage one another. ----shall be caught up g726 ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἁρπάζω harpazō Pronounce Greek root for G726 ἁρπάζω------ Harpazo to seize, carry off by force. to seize on, claim for one's self eagerly. to snatch out or away. -----If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. Hebrews 2:8. You have put all things in subjection under his feet." For in ... ---- Explain this: Revelation 20:4-6 New King James Version Bible Gateway www.biblegateway.com › passage The Saints Reign with Christ 1000 Years - And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those. ---And do NOT say we will be on earth during that 1000 years!!! 2 Peter 3:10-14 King James Version (KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. --there will BE NO EARTH!!! ALL BURNED UP!!! And, when New Jerusalem comes down from heaven: Malachi 4:3 KJV: And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of ... NOTHING BUT ashes!!! So, where were the saved during those 1000 years???? IN HEAVEN!!! Revelation 21 NIV - A New Heaven and a New Earth - Then I Bible Gateway www.biblegateway.com › passage 21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. · He said to me: “It is ... If the earth was NOT destroyed, then why create a new one??? >>>>
2 Thessalonians 2:15** : - "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold fast the instructions which you received, whether by our word or by our letter." 1 Corinthians 11:2: - "I commend you to remember me in all things, and to keep the traditions as I gave them to you." John 20:30-31 and John 21:25 make it clear that not everything Jesus did was written down, suggesting that there were aspects of his ministry and teachings that were passed on orally. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and 1 Corinthians 11:2 show that Paul, for example, recognises the authority of the oral traditions he passed on in addition to his writings. Although the Bible does not explicitly say that the disciples did not write everything down but transferred important things by tradition, there are indications in the Scriptures which suggest that the first Christians received and transmitted teachings and practices by means other than writing, notably by oral tradition. But anyway our faith is strong (yours Mitchel and Mine Anne) as well as our good will and we won’t change opinion on arguing at each other. Bless you!
@@FIAT-Voluntas-Tua-333 quote---2 Thessalonians 2:15** : - "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold fast the instructions which you received, whether by our word or by our letter.--unquote "2 Thessalonians 2:15 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter. How many options are listed??? TWO!!! either by word of mouth---SPOKEN or by letter.--WRITTEN THOSE ARE the ONLY two options!! If it was spoken, then IT HAS to written in the bible!!! Otherwise- how will you know it is being spoken correctly??? >>>>>>Quote----1 Corinthians 11:2: - "I commend you to remember me in all things, and to keep the traditions as I gave them to you."... unquote Refer back to: 2 Thessalonians 2:15 >>>Quote---John 20:30-31 and John 21:25 make it clear that not everything Jesus did was written down, suggesting that there were aspects of his ministry and teachings that were passed on orally.... unquote Yes--and that gives you all the excuse to write whatever you want and then say it is scripture!!! What IS in the BIBLE IS ALL WE NEED fore OUR SALVATION!!!! >>>Quote---2 Thessalonians 2:15 and 1 Corinthians 11:2 show that Paul, for example, recognises the authority of the oral traditions he passed on in addition to his writings... unquote Refer back to: 2 Thessalonians 2:15
You should count how many times you have put an exclamation marks! 🧐‼️ Which can seem rather aggressive, I have to tell you. Jesus gave a lot of love, he sometimes spoked with authority, but that was Jesus and it was needed. When arrested he didn’t complain and didn’t try to respond to Pilatus. I mean Jesus doesn’t need you -(you Mitchell) to defend your point. (Your point is also full of yourself ….if not, you would be more humble) sorry if You feel judged right now, its not the meaning of my intention) but just to put the things into a perspective. So please calm down and go and rather write to your Protestant friends because here you are on my Catholic site and it's ChatGPT who wrote all this. it's not me.... I am nothing. The IA went looking for information with the sources that we could have chosen together. Don't you think we have more to do praying for the world than arguing here, trying to justify our Points?
Makes zero sense. Read at least the whole chapter and you will see that st. Paul is talking in different context. By what you are saying he would contradict Jesus
The Word Catholic means universal.Jesus did not start the Roman Catholic Church, nor were the apostles Roman Catholic, they were Christian Jews. The church started in Jerusalem ( not Rome ) the leader of the Jerusalem church was James ( not Peter ) the disciples were first call Christians ( not Roman Catholics ) in Antioch. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition.
Hi 👋🏼 I will not have time and desire to answer to every Protestant in my Chanel (which is obviously a Catholic Chanel ) but this answer ⤵️⛪️ taken under another video I have pined is a good answer for you, if you like to read it plus my opinion as well: ⛪️« The ONLY reason I'm a traditional Catholic is because I have discovered objective truth based on reason, logic and historical fact... and I have taken a good dose of sincerity and patience with me. Read about the early Church. It's all there: priests, bishops, the primacy of the Roman See, the Eucharist as the true body and blood of Christ. And even the Marian dogmas. Read the story and convert to the true faith. » I, Anne, personally think you have a strong faith but not exactly the same as the Christ gave us, because to me and the early fathers as Ignatius Jesus is the foundation of the Catholic church. But Luther and Calvin didn’t want to follow more the church and then separated following other rules but keeping most of all wich is good in a way. And for sure not everything was not good in the chuch at that time‼️ I AGREE, but was not a reason to quit and create another one based on the bible only…(if I can simplify line this) as you cannot divorce with a wife even if you see 2 or 3 wrong behavior, or in adultery you can separate but you cannot remarry… So to quit the church it’s like a divorce to Me ! God says that we cannot divorce (again unless specific reasons) but I really like the image as Christ is using it also: The Body of Christ and the Church 1. Unity and Indivisibility: - In 1 Corinthians 12:12-27, the apostle Paul explains that the Church is the Body of Christ, made up of many members, each with a unique function but contributing to a unified whole. Just as a body cannot be divided without damage, so the Church is destined to be UNITED. - Ephesians 4:15-16 emphasises the growth of the Church in love, with each member playing its part in building up the whole BODY. 2. Love and Sacrifice: - In Ephesians 5:25-32, Paul draws a direct parallel between marriage and the relationship between Christ and the Church: "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her." Christ sacrificed himself for the Church, showing an unconditional and sacrificial love. Divorce and Marriage 1. Indissolubility of Marriage: - Jesus teaches in Matthew 19:3-9 that marriage is a sacred union willed by God, quoting Genesis 2:24: "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." This unity is so profound that man must not separate what God has united. - Jesus acknowledges that Moses allowed divorce because of the HARDNESS of the HUMAN HEART, but he affirms that this was not God's original intention. 2. Reconciliation and Forgiveness: - In 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, Paul exhorts Christian couples not to separate. If they do separate, they should remain unmarried or be reconciled. This exhortation emphasises RECONCILIATION and the restoration of relationships, reflecting the nature of forgiveness and reconciliation in the Christian faith. Relationship between the Body of Christ and Marriage The UNITY and INDIVISIBILITY of the Body of Christ serve as a model for Christian marriage. In the same way that the Church, as the Body of Christ, is called to be UNITED and to grow TOGETHER with love. - Unity and Faithfulness: the Body of Christ is INDIVISIBLE
Martin Luther once said, “Of all the Church Fathers you can name, not one of them ever spoke about the sacrament in the way these fanatics do.” What Luther is pointing out here is that, according to him, no early Christian theologians or Church Fathers described the Eucharist in the same way that certain radical reformers of his time did. These fanatics, as he called them, rejected the idea of Christ’s real presence in the Eucharist, a belief that Luther still held, although his understanding differed from the Catholic view. Luther was emphasizing that the traditional understanding of the Eucharist, supported by the early Church Fathers, recognized the presence of Christ in the sacrament, which was in contrast to the more symbolic interpretation promoted by some of the more extreme reformers of his era.
The title "pope" was from the early 3rd century an honorific designation used for any bishop in the West. In the East, it was used only for the bishop of Alexandria. Marcellinus (d. 304) is the first bishop of Rome shown in sources to have had the title "pope" used of him.
Amen.
• There aren’t any officiating new covenant priests. We have a new ministry in the new covenant. Ephesians 4:11
• God does not show favoritism Romans 2:11 -- there is no evidence in the scriptures that the church was built on a human. We do not have a human pope to guide us. We are led by the Spirit. Acts 1:5
Please....take a class in "Basic Christianity 101" that includes study of the Church before 1600 A.D. (about the time your way of interpreting Scripture came about!) and you just might find out a few things about the "Faith Once Delivered
really show me in the bible This office has now expired then show me where thiese have expired as well John 20:21 John 20:22 John 20:23 Matt. 9:8 Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10 Luke 5:24 Matt. 18:18 John 20:22-23; Matt. 18:18 2 Cor. 2:10 2 Cor. 5:18 James 5:15-16 1 Tim. 2:5 Lev. 5:4-6; 19:21-22 James 5:16 James 5:14-15 Acts 19:18 Matt. 3:6; Mark 1:5 1 Tim. 6:12 1 John 1:9 Num. 5:7 2 Sam. 12:14 Neh. 9:2-3 Sir. 4:26 Baruch 1:14 1 John 5:16-17; Luke 12:47-48 Matt. 5:19
Acts 9:31
The verse they use is:
Act 9:31 Hai men oun e EKKLESIA KATH'OLES tes Ioudaias kai Galalaias kai Samarias.
And KATH' OLES they would like impose that this term refers to the CATHOLIC name.
Unfortunately for them, that translation when translated by other biblical scholars has NEVER been rendered nor referred to the Catholic name.
---Acts 9:31-42
*****Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
31 So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samar′ia had peace and was built up;
----Where is the church named Catholic in a CATHOLIC bible????
--Catholics are taking 2 words and making it into one.
---KATH--throughout
'----OLES-----All----
----Let me insert the name "catholic" into that verse.
31 So the church catholic Judea and Galilee and Samar′ia had peace and was built up;
How does that make sense???
That verse is talking about PEACE IN THREE areas---nations!!!
NOT the whole world!!!
No mention of Spain, Greece, Italy, Rome, etc!!!!
Without the words :"throughout all", that sentence makes no sense!!!
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Catholic name is an INVENTED name
A lot of Catholics believe their name to be biblical. They allude certain verse coming from the Greek bible as proof that the the Catholic name is indeed biblical. Unfortunately, that is the point being driven by their catholic defenders which is erroneous sad to say.
It is not really surprising that most catholics are taking it Hook, Line and Sinker. Kindly pardon such terms if your offended. But allow me to point out why I have said this.
The the verse they use is:
Act 9:31 Hai men oun e EKKLESIA KATH'OLES tes Ioudaias kai Galalaias kai Samarias.
And KATH' OLES they would like impose that this term refers to the CATHOLIC name.
Unfortunately for them, that translation when translated by other biblical scholars has NEVER been rendered nor referred to the Catholic name.
What a Catholic authority rather attest is that the Catholic name is just an INVENTED NAME.
The Church founded by Christ is here, for the first time, called the Catholic Church, a name clearly to denote the Church throughout the world in union with the see or diocese of Rome. It was stress the unity of the universal Church that St. Ignatius INVENTED THE NAME.
(Roman Catholic, Rev. Edward Taylor, p.3)
So its not really surprising that the Catholic name is NEVER found in the bible. whether it be a Catholic or Protestant translation.
It is just unfortunate this is being used to fool the unwary soul if one just takes his mentor's word for it.
If anyone here does not agree. then by all means do find an English translation referring to that verse and that the greek term to be the Catholic name.
The greek term KATH'OLIS does not in anyway refer to the Catholic name. hence, several english translations of the same verse has never rendered it to refer to the Catholic name.
For the Catholic name according to a catholic authority Rev. Edward Taylor said that the "Catholic" name was just an INVENTED NAME. No doubt about that.
*Was the Orthodox Church founded by Jesus?
The Orthodox Church is the original Christian Church founded by Jesus and continued by his Apostles. It is the same Church described in the Bible as the Body of Christ and the Bride of Christ (1 Corinthians 12 : 27; Ephesians 5 : 23-25).
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What did the apostles use to decide who would replace Judas?? ACTS 1:21-23.
HAD to have seen Jesus be baptised!!
MUST have walked /talked to Jesus during His ministry.
MUST have seen Jesus after His resurrection!!!
NO ONE after John meets those qualifications!!!!
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--Pope St. Linus--- Born Born: 10 AD, Volterra, Italy
So, when did he travel to Jerusalem just to see Jeus be baptized??? At age 23.
>>>Pope Anacletus---- c. AD 25 Rome, Roman Empire-----
So, when did he travel to Jerusalem just to see Jesus be baptized?? At age 4!!!!
>>>> Clement----born c. 35 AD Rome, Roman Empire
So, when did he travel to Jerusalem just to see Jesus be baptized?? Before he was born????
According to Tertullian, writing c. 199, the Roman Church claimed that Clement was ordained by St. Peter (De Praescript., xxxii)
NOT ONE VERSE in ALL scripture that says that!!!!
Philippians 4:3
A tradition that began in the 3rd and 4th century, has identified him as the Clement that Paul mentioned in Philippians 4:3, a fellow laborer in Christ.
TRADITION!!! as a FELLOW LABORER!!!!
Phil 4:[3] Yes, I beg you also, true yoke-fellow, help these women, for they labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
• Adding doctrines is apostasy and it’s forbidden. Deuteronomy 4:2*, *Galatians 1:6-7
***Mark 7:7***
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Martin Luther's addition of the word "alone" in Romans
3;28 is a striking example of how translation can be influenced by theological beliefs. Although this word is not present in the original Greek text, Luther believed its inclusion was necessary
to convey what he saw as the core message of the Gospel. This decision had a profound impact on the development of Protestant theology and the history of Christianity.
When was the first church in Rome built?
Built as early as AD 280, Santa Susana is considered the oldest church in Rome. For a Cistercian sisters' monastery established on the property in 1587 that is still there, the present church was reconstructed from 1585 to 1603.
Since that was the FIRST Catholic church built on Rome, HOW COULD Peter be the first Pope of the Catholic church in Rome???
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What was the first church built by Constantine in Rome?
Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran
Cathedral of Rome
Consecrated AD 324
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What is the oldest church in the Vatican?
St. Peter's Basilica
Status Major basilica
Consecrated c. 360
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What was the original Catholic Church in Rome?
San Giovanni in Laterano St. John Lateran
San Giovanni in Laterano
St. John Lateran is actually the official cathedral of Rome (not St. Peter's!) and is the seat of the bishop of Rome - a.k.a. the Pope. One of the four major basilicas in Rome, the cathedral was built in the 4th century AD and is believed to be one the first Catholic churches in Rome.
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What was the Vatican originally called?
Vatican City - Wikipedia
Ager Vaticanus
"Vatican" is derived from the name of an Etruscan settlement, Vatica or Vaticum, located in the general area the Romans called Ager Vaticanus, "Vatican territory". The Italian name of the city is Città del Vaticano or, more formally, Stato della Città del Vaticano, meaning 'Vatican City State'.
Jesus literally made st. Peter the first Pope. Thats how he was the bishop of Rome
@@rafoF1 quote----Jesus literally made st. Peter the first Pope.... unquote
Matt 16:13-20
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
Peter’s Declaration about Jesus
13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesare′a Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?”
14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Eli′jah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”[a] 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”[b]
17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
18 And I tell you, you are Peter,[c] and on this rock[d] I will build my church, and the powers of death[e] shall not prevail against it.[f]
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,[g] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.
******SO, literally, WHERE is the title "POPE": mentioned???????
FACT: Pope was first used for all bishops. And then Pope Leo was the first to be called Pope.
29 September 440 -
10 November 461
(21 years, 42 days)St Leo I
---OVER 400 years AFTER Christ!!!
>>FACT: When was the first church in Rome built?
Built as early as AD 280, Santa Susana is considered the oldest church in Rome. For a Cistercian sisters' monastery established on the property in 1587 that is still there, the present church was reconstructed from 1585 to 1603.
*****Since that was the FIRST Catholic church built on Rome, HOW COULD Peter be the first Pope of the Catholic church in Rome??? MORE than 200 years after his death!!!!
---Ephesians 5:23-25
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands. 25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
What does that say about WHO IS HEAD of the Church! And I quote " as Christ is the head of the church,"
And I quote--"24 As the church is subject to Christ, "--NOT TO A POPE!!!
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-----When was the first council of the Catholic Church?
First Council of Nicaea | Description, History, Significance ...
325
First Council of Nicaea, (325), the first ecumenical council of the Catholic church, meeting in ancient Nicaea (now İznik, Turkey). It was called by the emperor Constantine I, an unbaptized catechumen, who presided over the opening session and took part in the discussions.
-----NOT at the time of Jesus!!!
@@mitchellosmer1293 do you really think that there are 1.2 billion Catholics who think there is the word Pope in the Bible? I'm not saying it is in the Bible. What he said is Pope. Not exactly the word. Now tell me where is sola scriptura mentioned in the Bible and why do you follow ut
@@rafoF1 quote--do you really think that there are 1.2 billion Catholics who think there is the word Pope in the Bible?--unquote
Yes!!!
That is the excuse you all use to "prove" Peter is THE first Pope"!!!!!!
THAT IS what I am told by 90% of the replies I get!!!
>>>Quote---I'm not saying it is in the Bible. .. unquote
Good, because it is NOT!!!
>>>Quote---What he said is Pope. Not exactly the word. --unquoet
Nope!!!!
Matthew 16:13-20
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
Peter’s Declaration about Jesus
13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesare′a Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Eli′jah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”[a] 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”[b] 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter,[c] and on this rock[d] I will build my church, and the powers of death[e] shall not prevail against it.[f] 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,[g] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.
NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!
>>>Quote--- Now tell me where is sola scriptura mentioned in the Bible and why do you follow ut...unquote
----Hebrews 4:12 12 Indeed, the word of God is living and effective, sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even between soul and spirit, joints and marrow, and able to discern reflections and thoughts of the heart), or seen implicitly through its lens.
--- Deuteronomy 17:14-20 states that we “shall not turn away from God’s Word, not to the right or the left”.
---Psalm 1:2 and Joshua 1:7-8 says that “the righteous person dwells on the Word of the Lord day and night”.
----Deuteronomy 8:3 states that “we do not live on bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God”.
----Proverbs 30:5-6 states: 5 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
-----Sola Scriptura ultimately means God’s Word alone-that we are not to add or take away any of God’s words but to submit ourselves to its supreme authority.
--I will ask you, which NO ONE has replied to: Who's other writings does GOD tell us to accept as the truth??? QUOTE FROM the BIBLE!!!!
ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!
«I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”»
Matthew 16:18-19
NASB1995
Is Catholicism mentioned in other early writings?
The other early uses that appear after Ignatius are in the Martyrdom of Polycarp (around AD 150), “…and to all the congregations of the Holy and Catholic Church in every place…”, and then also in the earliest New Testament list from around the second century,[2] the Muratorian fragment the phrase is found three times:
( First of all to the Corinthians (to whom) he forbids the heresy of schism, then to the Galatians (to whom he forbids) circumcision, and then to the Romans, (to whom) he explains that Christ is the rule of the scriptures ....)
NEVER mentioned in the Bible!!!
@@mitchellosmer1293 hello Mitchell I will not be able to answer your questions as we are different in our views. I will just say that you do not find everything in the Bible as for example:
1. **Sola Scriptura**:
- **Meaning**: Scripture alone is the ultimate authority for faith and practice.
- **Not explicitly in the Bible**: While the Bible emphasizes the importance of Scripture (e.g., 2 Timothy 3:16-17), it doesn't explicitly state that Scripture alone is the sole authority.
2. **Sola Fide**:
- **Meaning**: Justification by faith alone.
- **Not explicitly in the Bible**: The concept is derived from passages like Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 3:28, but the exact phrase "faith alone" is not found in the context of justification in the Bible.
3. **The Trinity**:
- **Meaning**: The doctrine that God exists as three persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) in one essence.
- **Not explicitly in the Bible**: While the Bible references the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the term "Trinity" and the detailed doctrine were developed by the early church councils.
4. **The Canon of Scripture**:
- **Meaning**: The specific list of books considered to be authoritative Scripture.
- **Not explicitly in the Bible**: The Bible itself does not provide a list of its own contents. The canon was recognized and affirmed by church councils over time.
5. **Sunday Worship**:
- **Meaning**: Observing Sunday as the primary day of Christian worship.
- **Not explicitly in the Bible**: Early Christians began meeting on Sunday (the first day of the week) to commemorate Jesus’ resurrection (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2), but the Bible does not command Sunday as the designated day of worship.
6. **The Rapture**:
- **Meaning**: The belief that Christians will be taken up to meet Christ in the air before a period of tribulation.
- **Not explicitly in the Bible**: This concept is interpreted from passages like 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, but the term "rapture" and the detailed sequence of events are not explicitly stated.
7. **The Five Solas**:
- **Meaning**: Key principles of the Protestant Reformation (Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Solus Christus, Soli Deo Gloria).
- **Not explicitly in the Bible**: These solas are theological summaries derived from various scriptural teachings but are not phrases found in the Bible.
8. **The Priesthood of All Believers**:
- **Meaning**: Every Christian has direct access to God without needing a human mediator.
- **Not explicitly in the Bible**: Derived from passages like 1 Peter 2:9 and Revelation 1:6, the phrase itself is not found in the Bible.
Bless you all Lord and open our eyes and hearts to your love and mercy.
@@FIAT-Voluntas-Tua-333 quote---1. **Sola Scriptura**:
- **Meaning**: Scripture alone is the ultimate authority for faith and practice.
- **Not explicitly in the Bible**: While the Bible emphasizes the importance of Scripture (e.g., 2 Timothy 3:16-17), it doesn't explicitly state that Scripture alone is the sole authority... unquote
Nor is purgatory in the bible!!!
----Hebrews 4:12 Indeed, the word of God is living and effective, sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even between soul and spirit, joints and marrow, and able to discern reflections and thoughts of the heart), or seen implicitly through its lens.
----Deuteronomy 17:14-20 states that we “shall not turn away from God’s Word, not to the right or the left”.
----Psalm 1:2 and Joshua 1:7-8 says that “the righteous person dwells on the Word of the Lord day and night”.
----Deuteronomy 8:3 states that “we do not live on bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God”.
---Proverbs 30:5-6 states: 5 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
Sola Scriptura ultimately means God’s Word alone-that we are not to add or take away any of God’s words but to submit ourselves to its supreme authority.
--I will ask you, which NO ONE has replied to: Who's other writings does GOD tell us to accept as the truth??? QUOTE FROM the BIBLE!!!!
Answer the question!!! Who's other writings does GOD tell us to accept as the truth??? QUOTE FROM the BIBLE!!!!
If a verse. contradicts the Word of God, then it HAS TO BE FALSE!!!
>>>Quote--3. **The Trinity**:
- **Meaning**: The doctrine that God exists as three persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) in one essence.
- **Not explicitly in the Bible**: While the Bible references the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the term "Trinity" and the detailed doctrine were developed by the early church councils... unquote
The what are these two verses about?
Matt 3:16-17 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
FATHER, SON and holy Spirit!!!!
----- Luke 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.
FATHER, SON and holy Spirit!!!!
You want to dismiss those also?????
>>>Quote-----5. **Sunday Worship**:
- **Meaning**: Observing Sunday as the primary day of Christian worship.
- **Not explicitly in the Bible**: Early Christians began meeting on Sunday (the first day of the week) to commemorate Jesus’ resurrection (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2), but the Bible does not command Sunday as the designated day of worship... unquote
OBVIOUSLY you like taking verses OUT of CONTEXT!!!
READ THE WHOLE STORY in Acts!! Verse 11--they ATE A MEAL!!!
---1 Corinthians 16:2 on the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no.
WHY DID you NOT bother to ask the basic question?? What was the "collection " for???????
What does 1 Corinthians 16:2 mean?
Paul begins to give the church in Corinth specific instructions about collecting money for suffering Jewish Christians in Jerusalem. Many Bible teachers apply these as ground-level principles for how modern Christians should give to local churches and other needs.
This tells the Corinthians to give to this collection weekly, individually, and proportionally. Specifically, each person-or household-is to set aside some amount of money on the first day of every week. It's not clear if this money is meant to be brought to the weekly gathering of the church and held in a central location. Or, it might be simply set aside, person by person, to be delivered together when Paul arrives.
The Christians had adopted the first day of the week-Sunday-as their time to gather together, likely because Christ was raised from the dead on a Sunday.
Paul told everyone to contribute to the collection, rich and poor alike. His letter had already revealed a potential rift between the wealthy and the working poor in the church (1 Corinthians 11:20-22). Paul insisted this gift for their brothers and sisters in Jerusalem should come from all of them together.
That universal command to give, however, is qualified by the phrase "as he may prosper." Paul encouraged proportional giving, meaning that each person should give a percentage of their income instead of a set amount. Notably, Paul does not instruct them to give ten percent, also called a tithe. In fact, the New Testament never commands Christians to tithe in the way the Old Testament required (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26). Jews living under the Old Testament law were obligated to tithe, in addition to other required contributions to the temple and the priests.
Instead, Paul commands to give as each has prospered. This means out of any surplus income above their needs. Historians tell us that many in Corinth among the poorer classes were likely just barely surviving from week to week themselves.
Finally, Paul tells the Corinthians to set aside the money week by week so that no collecting will need to be done when he arrives to organize the delivery of the gift. He does not explain why, but Paul likely wanted to avoid the awkwardness of demanding that the Corinthians come up with some money on the spot when he came and to encourage them to develop the habit of setting aside for the needs of others as a regular practice.
>>>ALSO_-WHERE in the bible did GOD Command to keep Sunday holy???
Where in the bible did GOD REST on the first day of the week?
Where in the bible did GOD BLESS the first day of the week?
Where in the bible did GOD SANCTIFY the first day of the week?
Where in the bible did GOD NAME the first day of the week?
Where in the bible did GOD DECLARE the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY?
>>>Quote---6. **The Rapture**:
- **Meaning**: The belief that Christians will be taken up to meet Christ in the air before a period of tribulation.
- **Not explicitly in the Bible**: This concept is interpreted from passages like 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, but the term "rapture" and the detailed sequence of events are not explicitly stated.... unquote
--------1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
New International Version
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
-----What is the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 4 16 17?
Christians who have died will receive their resurrected bodies, and living Christians will be caught up to join them, to be with the Lord forever. Paul urged the Thessalonian believers to use what he wrote about the rapture to encourage one another.
----shall be caught up
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ἁρπαγησόμεθα
ἁρπάζω
harpazō
Pronounce Greek root for G726 ἁρπάζω------
Harpazo
to seize, carry off by force.
to seize on, claim for one's self eagerly.
to snatch out or away.
-----If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. Hebrews 2:8. You have put all things in subjection under his feet." For in ...
---- Explain this:
Revelation 20:4-6 New King James Version
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The Saints Reign with Christ 1000 Years - And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those.
---And do NOT say we will be on earth during that 1000 years!!!
2 Peter 3:10-14 King James Version (KJV)
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
--there will BE NO EARTH!!! ALL BURNED UP!!!
And, when New Jerusalem comes down from heaven: Malachi 4:3 KJV: And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of ...
NOTHING BUT ashes!!!
So, where were the saved during those 1000 years???? IN HEAVEN!!!
Revelation 21 NIV - A New Heaven and a New Earth - Then I
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21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. · He said to me: “It is ...
If the earth was NOT destroyed, then why create a new one???
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2 Thessalonians 2:15** :
- "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold fast the instructions which you received, whether by our word or by our letter."
1 Corinthians 11:2:
- "I commend you to remember me in all things, and to keep the traditions as I gave them to you."
John 20:30-31 and John 21:25 make it clear that not everything Jesus did was written down, suggesting that there were aspects of his ministry and teachings that were passed on orally.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 and 1 Corinthians 11:2 show that Paul, for example, recognises the authority of the oral traditions he passed on in addition to his writings.
Although the Bible does not explicitly say that the disciples did not write everything down but transferred important things by tradition, there are indications in the Scriptures which suggest that the first Christians received and transmitted teachings and practices by means other than writing, notably by oral tradition.
But anyway our faith is strong (yours Mitchel and Mine Anne) as well as our good will and we won’t change opinion on arguing at each other. Bless you!
@@FIAT-Voluntas-Tua-333 quote---2 Thessalonians 2:15** :
- "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold fast the instructions which you received, whether by our word or by our letter.--unquote
"2 Thessalonians 2:15
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
How many options are listed??? TWO!!!
either by word of mouth---SPOKEN
or by letter.--WRITTEN
THOSE ARE the ONLY two options!!
If it was spoken, then IT HAS to written in the bible!!! Otherwise- how will you know it is being spoken correctly???
>>>>>>Quote----1 Corinthians 11:2:
- "I commend you to remember me in all things, and to keep the traditions as I gave them to you."... unquote
Refer back to: 2 Thessalonians 2:15
>>>Quote---John 20:30-31 and John 21:25 make it clear that not everything Jesus did was written down, suggesting that there were aspects of his ministry and teachings that were passed on orally.... unquote
Yes--and that gives you all the excuse to write whatever you want and then say it is scripture!!!
What IS in the BIBLE IS ALL WE NEED fore OUR SALVATION!!!!
>>>Quote---2 Thessalonians 2:15 and 1 Corinthians 11:2 show that Paul, for example, recognises the authority of the oral traditions he passed on in addition to his writings... unquote
Refer back to: 2 Thessalonians 2:15
You should count how many times you have put an exclamation marks! 🧐‼️ Which can seem rather aggressive, I have to tell you.
Jesus gave a lot of love, he sometimes spoked with authority, but that was Jesus and it was needed. When arrested he didn’t complain and didn’t try to respond to Pilatus. I mean Jesus doesn’t need you -(you Mitchell) to defend your point. (Your point is also full of yourself ….if not, you would be more humble) sorry if You feel judged right now, its not the meaning of my intention) but just to put the things into a perspective.
So please calm down and go and rather write to your Protestant friends because here you are on my Catholic site and it's ChatGPT who wrote all this. it's not me.... I am nothing. The IA went looking for information with the sources that we could have chosen together.
Don't you think we have more to do praying for the world than arguing here, trying to justify our Points?
When you learn the truth, you will understand that Peter is not the Rock. Christ is the Rock 1 Corinthians 3:11. Please study.
Makes zero sense. Read at least the whole chapter and you will see that st. Paul is talking in different context. By what you are saying he would contradict Jesus
@@rafoF1hello my friend, what is your belief about what you need to be saved?
@@josh-ni7li faith in Jesus Christ. An alive faith that is justified by works like Jesus told us. Works without faith cannot save you.
The Word Catholic means universal.Jesus did not start the Roman Catholic Church, nor were the apostles Roman Catholic, they were Christian Jews. The church started in Jerusalem ( not Rome ) the leader of the Jerusalem church was James ( not Peter ) the disciples were first call Christians ( not Roman Catholics ) in Antioch. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition.
Hi 👋🏼 I will not have time and desire to answer to every Protestant in my Chanel (which is obviously a Catholic Chanel ) but this answer ⤵️⛪️ taken under another video I have pined is a good answer for you, if you like to read it plus my opinion as well:
⛪️« The ONLY reason I'm a traditional Catholic is because I have discovered objective truth based on reason, logic and historical fact... and I have taken a good dose of sincerity and patience with me. Read about the early Church. It's all there: priests, bishops, the primacy of the Roman See, the Eucharist as the true body and blood of Christ. And even the Marian dogmas. Read the story and convert to the true faith. »
I, Anne, personally think you have a strong faith but not exactly the same as the Christ gave us, because to me and the early fathers as Ignatius Jesus is the foundation of the Catholic church. But Luther and Calvin didn’t want to follow more the church and then separated following other rules but keeping most of all wich is good in a way. And for sure not everything was not good in the chuch at that time‼️ I AGREE, but was not a reason to quit and create another one based on the bible only…(if I can simplify line this) as you cannot divorce with a wife even if you see 2 or 3 wrong behavior, or in adultery you can separate but you cannot remarry…
So to quit the church it’s like a divorce to
Me ! God says that we cannot divorce (again unless specific reasons) but I really like the image as Christ is using it also: The Body of Christ and the Church
1. Unity and Indivisibility:
- In 1 Corinthians 12:12-27, the apostle Paul explains that the Church is the Body of Christ, made up of many members, each with a unique function but contributing to a unified whole. Just as a body cannot be divided without damage, so the Church is destined to be UNITED.
- Ephesians 4:15-16 emphasises the growth of the Church in love, with each member playing its part in building up the whole BODY.
2. Love and Sacrifice:
- In Ephesians 5:25-32, Paul draws a direct parallel between marriage and the relationship between Christ and the Church: "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her." Christ sacrificed himself for the Church, showing an unconditional and sacrificial love.
Divorce and Marriage
1. Indissolubility of Marriage:
- Jesus teaches in Matthew 19:3-9 that marriage is a sacred union willed by God, quoting Genesis 2:24: "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." This unity is so profound that man must not separate what God has united.
- Jesus acknowledges that Moses allowed divorce because of the HARDNESS of the HUMAN HEART, but he affirms that this was not God's original intention.
2. Reconciliation and Forgiveness:
- In 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, Paul exhorts Christian couples not to separate. If they do separate, they should remain unmarried or be reconciled. This exhortation emphasises RECONCILIATION and the restoration of relationships, reflecting the nature of forgiveness and reconciliation in the Christian faith.
Relationship between the Body of Christ and Marriage
The UNITY and INDIVISIBILITY of the Body of Christ serve as a model for Christian marriage. In the same way that the Church, as the Body of Christ, is called to be UNITED and to grow TOGETHER with love.
- Unity and Faithfulness: the Body of Christ is INDIVISIBLE
📖🧐 Where is it in the Bible?
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