DREAM HOUSE BUILD: NEW Hot Spot in Our $10,000 Roof?
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After watching a few of these I have a much greater appreciation for my husband who finishes things he starts in a timely manner.
This had me laughing out loud!
Going back to when the SIP’s were installed didn’t they decide to not use the manufacturers recommended way of foaming between the panels, ie apply a bead of foam immediately before joining the panels? The manufacturer’s way gives a fully airtight seal as you know you’ve put the foam along the whole joint and therefore sealed it. Sadly it looks like a problem of their own making not a fundamental problem of the SIP system?
Mike, That's how I build SIPs, foam as you go.
Yup
@@ModernMountainLiving Or go with a SIP manufacturer that designs the core like a T&G, so insulation is always bridging a join.
@@JohnnyMotel99 My goto is ICS Eco SIPs in Colorado, their cam system utilizes a male to female locking miter, and it corrects plum.
@@ch11ew12y Amen
I feel as though you may have quite successfully put anyone off of ever trying to build a SIPS structure. So much angst, so many words and so much going back over things again!
Sips are not worth all the expense, With all of your effort you could have built regular walls and have been further along. In my opinion.
For sure. They could've ZIP sheathed the outside to get the continuous barrier they were looking for.
If they were installed correctly and to manufacturers specs they wouldn't be having these issues...
Lee Silcox not realistic for on the job site, more for a manufactured home, built in a jig. Much better methods with ZIP. And then house wrap then blown insulation. And be less money. They have not even had the nightmares of wiring the upstairs.
@@ballomni look at anyone else whose done sips and followed the manufacturers instructions. These problems don't arise.
Lee Silcox exactly my point not for the first time home builders, nothing wrong with the timber frame but the specs do not have the tolerance for The novice. Not their fault, the fault is in who recommend that system over others that are much simpler and can be just as effective.
this is why you charge more when a homeowner want to help on his own project. its what my crew calls "diminishing returns" he spent more in time, effort and material than he will ever save in efficiency over his lifetime
@Jonny B I know, just referring to that old sign at the auto shop that show 3 labor rates : Normal : Customer wants to help : Tried to fix it themselves already
Who else is not surprised...
Not at all, we have all been hoodwinked in to watching this build just as they coned the timber frame (we are going to build ) then got other people to do it
Folks just keep sending this guy your money.
This is getting to be do and redo.
This would never had happend if you had used rockwool 500mm roof isolation. we use it here in Europe
What is roof "isolation" and how can it be used with SIP's?
@@rjthomasindyusa "iNsulation"
Won't your thermal camera help you see where the hot spots are?
Wouldn't an infra-red cam show you the cold spot from inside? So you know where to drill and foam?
Not likely, heat rises there for warms and heats the mass the air is working it's way through.
The other question is how sensitive is the IR camera to start with? Many of the inexpensive ones do not show very subtle changes in temperature in a small area.
When you mud the sheetrock on the inside you will stop most of the airflow. RELAX
Ok let's stop guessing and just finish up electrical so you can do a blower door test and get them leaks fixed with aero barrier I have worked with sips and I also believe sealing them is more important then normal stick framing imo. Look into this product I have and will be doing it on my next house for sure.
My $5,000 roof dont have any.
I am sorry for you Jess, but you were warned. Thousands have warned you to wrap the house, get the siding on, and then seal the roof.
From what I have seen on SIPs is that professionals spray the foam just before they put them together and I believe Jess even said that was what he heard but wasn’t sure so they did it this different way leaving them blind when putting in the foam.
Where’s your flir camera to validate where the hot spot is?
Maybe you guys could try an air-sealing solution like Aerobarrier, and if you can afford another project, an ERV from a reputable brand like Zehnder or Blauberg would be a solid investment. When making a house as airtight as yours, quality fresh air ventilation is a must...no pun intended. Don't let these people bother you, own your decisions, and love your life. Rooting for you guys.
Yes, a house that tightly sealed with all that foam giving off gases? Fresh air is critical.
I'm surprised you don't use your FLIR for this from inside/outside.
Jesse,
Use your thermal camera on a cold day and look for cold spots from the inside of roof.
Zevnitř se nemusí projevit, protože teplý vzduch nahradí uniklý. Musí hledat zvenčí teplá místa. Na to má přece tu plošinu, co ji dělal měsíc místo domu.
Have you considered using a cheap endoscope camera from eBay ?
This would allow you to see the behavior of foam inside the panels and know when enough is enough.
I have used them for work inside walls with great success.
Maybe I'm wrong, but have not you got a FLIR for your i-phone? I think, you should go up, with the man basket in the evening or night, when the sun is set, and look at the roof with the FLIR. It will show you the hotspots.
Don't the waaterspots pon the drywall offer a clue?
Those are from the build stage. Most of his panels got wet before they went up.
Isnt it overdue for some siding.........? Your chasing tiny leaks that will always occur instead of finishing the "wrapping"
Seriously! I don't understand why they don't (at least) have Tyvek paper up - it's been over a year right? Even Yurts have canvas.
Do you have an air exchanger?
You need to get siding on that house or else you are going to destroy the OSB on those SIPS... which can lead to delamination.
You are right, had he spent a little more for Polyeurathane SIPs he wouldn't have vapor migration or delimitation.
Robert John Thomas there very well be siding on the house by now since this video was filmed months ago. Or there could be two feet of snow on the house. We’ll find out in the February videos.
Of pull out the FLIR on the next cold morning bit both outside, and inside.
Look like I see some lite moisture stains on the drywall.
Those moisture stains will require removing the sheetrock, mud and tape will never attach properly to those stained surfaces. Five years from now the joints will start to sag and separate. I don't really understand why they are there, I did not think they left the roof off that long.
@@knotbumper The drywall was already attached to the roof SIPs when they were installed,and if I recall correctly, it rained before they got all of the SIPs installed.
I remember lots of people recommending that you hire a roofing contractor for the roof. Looks like they were correct...
getting your sheetrock finished is a big part of your air seal
If you tape the Sheetrock it help the air flow stop.
Remember folks this video was created in September. It’s at least 2 months old.
Hey stop with paying attention to details...lol
This is why they suggest you spritz the panel gaps when you fit the panels together...
We did a big roof on a very old building here in England so glad we used 100mm batts between rafters them a t&g wood fibre sarking board outside none of these issues
you might try a bore camera to look in and see what is going on also measure from the ridge to get a closer spotting on them
there is alot of water damage on ur drywall and it looks like is more on the hotspot side then the other side.
Brandon Kelly I saw that too.
I am sure it is to late now but seems to me one of those cameras for seeing inside walls with the flexible scope and a viewer screen would be perfect for this kind of job. You could see right in the are your trying to work in. I have seen them for sale in Home Depot.
FLIR camera might help find these.
check water stain in D/W seam below the 2nd foam job
Why are you not using your flir camera to help you.
because then they couldn't do multiple found a hot spot videos every year.
It seems like the drywall panels had watermarks where the leaks were identified. Kinda makes sense if condensate would collect there. Maybe that's your x marks the spot, at least from a viewer's perspective.
Could you use a IR camera to find the hotspots from the inside?
you should buy a stethscope type device you can attach to you phone to poke into these holes and look around. instead of guessing if its empty or solid.
StrykerV Borescope
After seeing what you are going through, I am never going to build using SIPS.
It looks like you cans see where there is water condensation and use that as a guide to foam.
Please don't do a another video on this
You skinned the roof with the sticky moisture barrier so you should at the very least have a barrier to mitigate over filling with foam.
A possible way to help chase down the leak in your sips would be to us a smoke stick near your seems to see where air is moving. You have to pressurize your house.
Did you see what they filled under the sofitt the other day and hes worried about the roof🤣🤣🤣😂😂 I love these guys. Happy Turkey day people🙋♂️ and may that building be air tight someday 🤭🤫
Two things, One is have you looked at getting a fiber optic inspection scope? Seems like with the SIPS and electrical cold roof gap, might be useful. Number two I could never doo what you do since over the years my fear of heights as grown over the years.
I wonder if you tried your infrared thermometer on the inside of your roof after one of the colder nights if it might show the difference in temperature in spots.
I never understood the use of the low expanding foam. This is exactly what seemed like would happen. The risk of a blowout is way lower than the risk of missing coverage IMO.
jeep6242 mostly low expanding foam is for windows and doors to keep it from causing binding if you get too much foam in. Otherwise you will have problems with both your windows and doors till you remove and fix the problem. I learned that the hard way when I accidentally use the wrong foam.
I was expecting you to bust out the FLIR.
Double Dare Fan same
How about trying your thermal imager on the inside?
Don’t worry,u got all winter to chase the hot spots!😊
I would have put the foam in before the next panel goes on. So you put the panel in a bed of foam. I case of doubt, make the panel fit first, lift it a bit, foam the seam and install the panel...
kinda hard to do under their circumstances
If you used that handy flir thermal imager you could probably see the foam through the walls, especially if the foam was kept cold.
Jesse, review your videos from when you installed the panels up there...Should give you a better idea (reminder) where the seem is. Then you could measure from the drywall seam.
I learned years ago installing vinyl windows and expanding foam. Now, foams made specifically for doors and windows. Haven't seen Bugaboo lately.
I love that spray foam! We just got to be careful because it gets everywhere quick. Thanks for sharing!
It looks like people’s attention span for this house build has ended...same for the homeowners.
Maybe in 5 years this house will have siding.
Swiss cheese roof
Check out AeroBarrier. It is an atomized caulk system that will seal every nook and cranny
dont they have a flir cam?
get a camera one on a cable to stick inside there and look around
Instead of buying a plane, probably should’ve had professionals install the roof.
the foam as it cures will generate some heat and where it looks melted on the roof is exactly where the foam was added so my bet is you hit it perfect and melted the frost with the generated heat not a heat leakage
He really needs to get an inspection camera.
You've probably fixed it by now, but myself I would have mudded (Plastered, as we say in the UK) and tape sealed all the joints between the sheetrock (Plaster board in the UK) to stop the movement of air through the gaps.
Or just the ceiling because the walls need electrical and have no sheetrock yet
When you said how far it was from the window I was surprised because in the video it looked like the end of the hotspot was right in line with the edge of the window.
Why is there water stains on the sheet rock, could it be moisture
Sheetrock was placed on panels before panels went on the roof. Ridge was left open for a while...
Roof was completely uncovered for almost a month in I remember correctly.
Have you thought about borrowing a thermal camera?
You almost need a Bore Scope used to inspect rifle barrels to be able to look up into the holes and view whether or not they have foam in them.
If you remember correctly the plasterboard was offset to the SIP. Go back and have a look at the SIP videos.
Why not use your FLIR on the inside of the roof?
I was gonna say "attach the FLIR to the drone"
Can you use a thermal camera to see cold or hotspots from the inside?
Jesse why not unscrew the drywall screws and use a utility knife to remove the Sheetrock to view ?
You'd have a great view of a layer of plywood
Jesse, use the needle and valve like you did for the seam.
If you had to do the roof over, would you recommend another type of insulation or different type system? And thank you for taking the time to share this with us. Happy Thanksgiving!
Had the same question - would you use SIPS again for the roof?
Happy thanksgiving from the Uk
Im sure someone had said it before but you can get borescope’s that go on iPhones could help with this and electrical chases
where's your thermal camera that could help find the chase
Borescope?
Check out Building Science Insights : to vent or not to vent @ 29:41. Joe lstiburek . And also you have ice and water shield running top to bottom without venting your sip panel . It appears it's moisture finding its way up and out .
As the house settles in the foundations this will happen. No worries and you know how to solve it.
Will it stop after it's taped and mudded?
I wonder how bad the Blower Door Test results would be on this home?
Do you use blowerdoor tests in the US? Whats the limits?
Jesse and Alyssa hot spots or not, HAPPY THANKSGIVING 🍁🦃
I'm thinking you guys should invest in a snake cam. Actually quite surprised you haven't... on SIPS those come in handy for everything. Happy Thanksgiving...
this is not an uncommon issue with ridged (foam) insulation. The building flexes and ridged insulation separates, just the way life is. That is why I like glass batts, they flex and never loose their value. We have a roof similar with 2x12 rafters and batts. Never have any heat loss through the ceiling. The amont of heat loss you have though is still negligible, annoying perhaps, but not the end of the world. Not having siding on the house is a larger heat loss.
My SIPs builds are airtight so this would not be an issue.
It is odd hearing him say in September, It's Thanksgiving now.
Were you drilling sheetrock I am a contractor and I haven't seen the sips system. You have me scratching my head about the sheetrock being on the top of the rafters and not on the bottom of the rafters
They added the sheetrock to the sips then set them on the rafters. They want to see the rafters. When I saw them doing that i was thinking they might regret that decision later.
The method they’re using is an old one from long ago known as timber frame structure that they are then putting a very new method onto known as SIPs. The idea is to see the post and beams so then one needs to decide wether to notch the roof beams so the drywall can tuck under or use shims to give you a gap to tuck the drywall in or use some kind of trim after drywalling the celling or the way they did it. Otherwise it would be difficult to have a refined fit and finish. For the side walls they used shims.
When was this video filmed??
On the temp display it said 10/02 so early October. The posted videos have been about two months behind 'realtime' since they raised the bents last year.
Just buy a cheap borescope camera attachment for your smart phone. I bought one .5mm diameter, 15’ long. For $17 Canadian?
Where did you buy the camera? We would like to pick one up!
I bought mine through Wish. But they are available online through many suppliers!
@@pilotlangdon Thanks!
I didn't know they came that long
I think he is guessing too much. Better measure the position of the hot spots outside and then project the position inside. Precision work is more efficient. Nobody wants swiz cheese roof!
You could try Aeroseal. It’s done with a blower door and misting caulk.
My hats off to you guys for persevering. I do not even know what day this is from when you broke ground in building but I have followed you from the days you were living off grid. Would it be possible to annotate somewhere as to what day we are at in building your home?
You might want to invest in a borescope.
Random idea, but what if you had a small snaking camera that could be put into the hole to look for voids?
Reason # 957 to never use SIPSs or the foundation system..
Any Building system that isn't installed right will fail. Cold roofs anything in Cold Climates. (SIPs builder 13 years)
Sips are great when installed by people with experience.
There are SIPs that use a T&G design with the foam core. This means that joins are always bridges with insulated core.
@@JohnnyMotel99 Thermacore is a company you mention. Tell Pat Tim sent you.
@@ModernMountainLiving how did they install them wrong?
Haven’t you built this house yet!??
Do you think that some of this airflow will be slowed down or eliminated once you tape and mud the drywall seems?
...or are you guys just going to refoam the whole roof from the inside?