As someone whose native language is not English but is confident enough in my skills in it, hearing Steve talk that fast saying all those number models and names is the hardest english hearing test I've come across so far lol
@@truckerallikatuk Have you heard of the PBOTuner to lower the power Curve ? I suggest to take a look! I have set all my cores to -30 and now it boost like 150 MHz higher all the time! Cinebench R23 is hitting 15k at much lowert temps
5800X3D is an unbelievable upgrade for Microsoft Flight Simulator. Truly crazy how good it is - even compared just to Ryzen 5000, let alone the MASSIVE gains you get if you're coming from any previous Ryzen gen.
@@zxy7529 They already explained why they can't include it. Blame Microsoft for using a boneheaded system that makes it difficult to legally play the game on multiple systems.
Since I already had an x570 the upgrade to the $384 5800x3d a few months ago was the sensible option (got it on sale.) But if I didn’t have anything I probably would have gone with the 7600x or waited for the 7000x3d chip. I feel like the 7000 series 3D chip is gonna be incredible! Thank you so much for the video!
I'm sort of in the same situation. I'm upgrading my GPU, but will have to see if I will upgrade my mobo as well because I am on PCIe3 right now, if that will have any effect.
@@stuartandrews4344 just didn’t seem worth purchasing a new MOBO and RAM kit. After watching the performance difference it really doesn’t seem worth it for the 7,000 series if you’re on AM4 but also I only game. I’m not very tech savvy but swapping out to the 5800x3d was pretty simple. The idea of having to rewire everything to a new motherboard and have to pay an extra $400+ to do it… no thank you! That’s just my opinion though!
@@CorporalCookie Upgrade from a B450 to a Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE V2, has PCIe 4 , 2.5GbE LAN, with a 5800X3D it's been superb,has everything I need,& still has years of use, & best bit board was only £138 here in UK.Worked out cheaper option compared to buying AM5 from scratch.
As I was able to drop in the 5800X3D from my 3600, it really shows the strength of the AM4 upgrade path over the years. Same logic for the new system builders now as you've mentioned with AM5. Has to be said that AMD has done an (overall) good job with the upgrade path building good will amongst builders vs Intel. That 2 year cycle on platforms looks like it's starting to hurt them more now after the years of AM4. It all comes down to if AMD can keep it up on AM5 and force Intel to compete in more than just initial purchase price to try and get them to commit to a longer term compatibility.
So true. I wish Intel comes around to that idea for the DIY market. Socket longevity is a big plus and it scales better once you have multiple PCs. I can only wonder how many AM4 users passed on their old parts to make homeservers, overspecced HTPCs, NAS etc. AMD's business model of selling old gen CPUs alongside with the new ones actually works quite well when you have a longer socket lifespan. While Intel seems to rely too heavily on OEM contracts and doesn't give enough thought to the DIY space.
@@ollierkul I have been building PCs since early 90s. I have never had the need to buy new CPUs every year. Anyhow, AM4 longevity was nice. Its problem was though that (if we are honest) Zen2 was the first decent cpu gen for it and it and Zen3 was the only good one. Zen1 and Zen1+ were pretty horrible high latency low compatibility mess. Maybe AM5 will be better, sporting many good gens over the years and providing good value for someone buying a cpu now and upgrading in 4-5 years. I am personally fine buying a computer today and then reselling both cpu and motherboard when I upgrade every 5+ years or so. We have not yet had a situation where either manufacturer would have had a decent alternative for that.
I was using 1700 on x370. And upgraded to 5800x3D, it made an incredible sense to me. The performance for me is enough to outlast AM5 and upgrade to AM6.
I'm looking at upgrading from the Ryzen 2600 but I have no interest in any of the games used to assess the 5800x3D here. I'm much more interested in VR performance and applications where unoptimized user-generated content is involved. Where have you seen the greatest gains from your upgrade?
@@bandanabush7334 You're missing the point - I don't tend to play many modern games. I also have a RX 5700XT and a 60Hz monitor so I'm not really CPU bottlenecked in any modern game. But I am bottlenecked in Chillout VR and VRChat where I am in the 20-40 FPS range..
I'm in exactly the same position, just waiting for it to go to £330, and ima snap it up. I'm expecting to double my performance almost across the board!
@@zig131 I imagine the extra cache of memory might help a lot with that bottleneck, but no experience with that chat app. I only use my VR for Alyx and Beatsaber lol
@Marcus R In what world would it benefit AMD, to gimp performance, when they'll be releasing their Zen 4 3D SKUs, in between 13th and 14th-gen? It's ridiculous how many people expect AMD to pull something this objectively stupid. They want to keep taking ground from Intel, not continue to lose it and make AM5 still not worth investing in.
@@pppparanoidddd They're not desperate, Intel is winning by cramming in tons of E-Cores. That's a temporary solution, not something they can repeat indefinitely
Because 7000 series has more build in memory, the differense is not this big, but there are situations where the extra will help. But how much vs the price?
I actually upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D a little while ago, I managed to buy one on Black Friday and replaced my Ryzen 5 5600X with it. I sold my Ryzen 5 5600X for 150€, so I managed to get a pretty decent upgrade out of it for not that much money. After seeing this benchmark comparison, I have to say that I'm quite happy with my upgrade decision.
Pretty decent? Bruh, I have noticed negligible to none difference between all 5000 series CPUs at 3440x1440 and 4K, literally same results. Maybe if you're talking about 1080p you can say it, but anything higher I literally see no improvement at all.
5800X3D is really a gem for those who want to max out their existing AM4 builds. Heck even if you were running a cheap 2600/3600 six core, it would be happy on your low-end B350/B450 motherboard. We have one running on a 5 year old B350m Bazooka.
Great video, Steve. Interesting match up. I think the 5800x3d might be a good case for me though: I plan to skip AM5 entirely and will jump back on board in 4-5 years to whichever Intel or AMD is better. The money that is saved by it upgrading CPU or to ddr5 ram will be spent on GPUs instead. As I don’t think I’ll be able to budget for a 4090, I don’t think I’ll lose much performance in the 4-5 years of AM5 until my next upgrade. Quite specific use case but there are a lot of people with AM4 who don’t need to upgrade due to et I think.
Yeah im thinking on same idea . I have old Ryzen 5 1600 with MSI 1070 GTX for 5+ years now so im looking for upgrade for next 5 years atleast ,but i dont feel that AM5 right now has too much edge over matured AM4 platform. Right now it looks like 5800x3D with mid range MOBO is better deal then whole new AM5 build. Also im waiting for new AMD GPU so it might be worth to go AM4 and save money for it or in worst case i just go with Rx 6900XT or other High end GPU.
same just went for the AM4 platform as it doesn't matter as 1 will change to an entire new system after a long time.... with the cash saved on the AM5 got a better monitor instead and I dont plan to move for at least 5yrs (coming back after 10yrs on a 2500K LOL) Furthermore, went in for SFF - which has ridiculous pricing MB - (dont really like big tower cases now)...
Hardware Unboxed I’d just like to say thanks , been looking to upgrade my first gen ryzen system and I spend hours watching your videos. , keep it up it is very useful and enjoyable content to watch ❤️
For someone who already has an AM4 system that was built 2 years ago, the 5800x3d made sense. I sold my 5800x and bought thr 3d. So I have a pretty good upgrade in performance for about $120. That way I have the fastest gaming performance I can get for my mobo. I will see how long that and my 3090 keep me happy which I feel will be a few more years.
I did same upgrade. Was running a Crosshair VIII Hero with 5800X, 3600 CAS 14-14-14 and a 4090. Got the 5800X3D for $330 and it was BY FAR the best value upgrade I could do. Now waiting 1-2 years for the AM5 and DD5 prices to slide before moving on to Zen 4.
Yeah, if you have an AM4 mobo, I wouldn't spend on replacing it yet. 5800X3D makes a LOT of sense. I got a 7900X, but I'm replacing a 4790k. So I'm pretty much building a whole system from scratch.
Upgraded from a 5600x to 5800x3D, and I see quite the difference at 1440p. Hope to keep the 5800x3d for several years and I'm making the bet it will be able to manage next generation of GPUs fine enough
Just a tip for anyone going X3D, the memory doesnt matter much ram and speed so dont buy really expensive ram as I did to tune to infinity, not worth it, just go ordinary 3600 mhz cl 16 or 17 tbh
Regarding avoiding the 5800x3d due to not wanting to invest in the AM4 platform - I don't really feel like the platform is much of an investment given how rarely (for me) a CPU upgrade has happened without also upgrading the rest of the computer (or atleast the mobo and ram). Usually its either that the CPU I choose is among the best the platform will ever see (meaning a worthwhile upgrade never becomes an option), or if not, that I've also specced out a lower end motherboard that I can't (or don't want to) use with a top end CPU. Infact, in my 25 years of building computers I've only *once* upgraded a CPU without upgrading the motherboard, and that was when I swapped out the i7 950 in my X58 motherboard for a cheap 2nd hand xeon x5660 (which I promptly overclocked from 2.7 to 4.4ghz) - that's the kind of upgrade (in terms of low cost and jump in performance) that I'm absolutely certain will never be an option again (intel made sure of that by locking down subsequent generations of xeons). I just don't feel it's worthwhile to build a computer around potential future CPU upgrades that might not ever happen. Just build the computer that's the best bang for buck right now.
@@rodrigocataldorios6533 it's still a really good choice, and as someone who bought AM5 and 7950x a few months back (the 16 cores is good for non-gaming things I do) let me tell you that you are avoiding a lot of things by buying the more stable, less experimental platform (and "experimental" is the word I'd use for am5 if you want to use your memory as advertised, not even talking about the CPUs melting either, getting mine to post every time at 6000mhz has been an uphill battle).
@@fuzz11111111 Thanks for the reply! I´m an architect and want to build a pc for flawless work (not that i'm tooooo pro, but eventually will do some good models and renders haha) i'm between 5800x3d or 7700x. i've seen a lot of videos and my thoughts are this: -5800x3d: Very good CPU but not upgrade options in future. (but maybe could skip AM5 gen) -7700x: as good as 5800x3d (maybe better) but a bit more expensive and hotter temps, but can be undervolted by software This is my firs pc build ever and already failed by buying a 3060ti (gddr6x) two weeks ago and now im trying to sell it to buy a 4070 u_u. I understand that CPUs will last longer at good perfomance than GPUs but im afraid of making the same mistake. so, what would you do, considering 32 gb ram and buying a 4070 in a few months. Hope you can reply! thanks
@Rodrigo Cataldo Ríos it's just down to whether you see yourself upgrading CPU without a mobo/ram upgrade to go with it, if you're the kind to stick with a CPU for a while (as I am) then there's a good chance you might need (or want) to upgrade those items when you upgrade the CPU anyway. How much you are spending on the mobo also comes into play (eg: you're more likely to want to hang onto it if it's a top tier x670e). For me CPUs last ages, and the only things that get upgraded without a mobo upgrade are the GPU and SSD (I should also mention that my old parts go into my wife's system, which does incentivise me to upgrade CPU+mobo+ram in one go). I can't tell you which way to go as only you know whether a CPU-only upgrade is a realistic future option for you, but I'm sure that either system will more than meet your needs today (and that you'll probably have an easier time regarding ram timings and expo profiles if you go the older platform). [edit] If you're doing a lot of productivity stuff (that's CPU only) you should make sure you compare those CPUs using productivity related benchmarks (as the extra cache in the 5800x3D only helps with gaming and things similar to gaming, GPU accelerated rendering likely gets a boost though).
@@rodrigocataldorios6533 I have one paired with a 6800xt GPU and with some light overclocking and undervolting I can run Cyberpunk 2077 at the max settings with RT and FSR quality and get 60fps at 1440p, sometimes getting into the 90fps range in certain areas, and never dipping below 45 fps in heavily dense areas of the city. Pretty good for AMDs poor RT performance. If I wanted to spend DOUBLE the price on a 3080 at the time I'd get a lot more frames with RT, but the 6800xt was only 500 when I bought it while the 3080 was literally over 1000 dollars...
Since i had a AM4 mobo (Asus Prime X470 Pro) i just decided to go from 2600X to a 5800X3D and the difference in performance is astronomical, going for AM5 7600X setup would have costed me more than double so i think ill just wait for a generation or 2 before switching to AM5. Hopefully it's a long lasting socket like AM4 was.
Love the comparison. I am sitting on 5600x and will probably go for the 5800x3d at some point. It should last me long enough in 1440p to skip all upcoming cpu's for the next 3-4 years and than I can go for AM6 or something. You rally need insanely strong GPU-s to make cpu like 5800x3d obsolete faster and I am always in for the mid range guys. With the best perf/price ratio. I assume AMD will rule in my builds in the upcoming years.
i had a 5600x golden sample! so it went to 4.8ghz allcore or plus 200 pbo with undervolting.. i brought the 3d at launch and it give me 30% more fps in some games! my 3d runs 4.550 on 3 cores and 4450 allcore with optimzer! under 70w and ridiculous gaming performance!
@@Knebebelmeyer It all depends on the cards you use. With something like 6600 xt or even 3070 i doubt there will by noticable difference in 1440p. I tend to swap CPU's when they start to limit the GPU i currently use. I might buy something like rx 7700 xt so 5600x should still be doing pretty well with that card.
@@zagloba1987 in Sim/emulator games the X3D can be 50-60% faster then a 5800X,also with games in alpha/beta and MMOs,tons of people play those games but they dont really get benchmarked.
Do it! My main (only) games are Star Citizen and MS Flight sim. Based on the HWU reviews at the time on an X570 board I went from 5600X/3060Ti/1440p combo to 5800X3D/3080Ti/4K. In MSFS alone my average fps went from mid 30’s to mid 60’s upgraded from 1440p to 4k (ultra settings). I’d give credit to the implementation of DLSS in MSFS for some of those numbers but purely from an ‘enjoyment’ level it went from ‘ok but sometimes frustrating’ to ‘absolutely glorious’ lol. Star Citizen went from ‘occasionally unplayable, sometimes frustrating’ to ‘omg omg omg just LOOK at this thing!’ (rarely get less than 40fps and mostly also 60+). Money well spent!
I upgraded from the first gen Zen 1 1600x to a 3600 to a 5800X3D on the same B350 board. What an amazing ride for the AM4 platform. I could upgrade to the new platform for faster memory and M2 speed, but just don't think it's worth it.
Same path here. Made the initial build in 2017 so that platform has lasted me about 6 years now, which is insane since I would have swapped the board 2 times already if it was an Intel system instead.
I just upgraded from a 3500x to a 5800x3d. The difference was night and day. I worked out it was cheeper to go this route than upgrade the motherboard ram and CPU as well.
A very interesting comparison video. Your prior video comparing the 5800x3D vs 5800x showed massive margins in favor of the 3D v-cache CPU, but those are largely absent for the same games in this comparison, like Riftbreaker, Battlefield 5, Hitman 3, and War Thunder. I'd guess this means the DDR5 memory and sheer clock speed are compensating for the lack of 3D v-cache on the 7600x. It will be interesting to see what the 7000 series 3D v-cache CPUs manage to do next year.
Yeah. I'm hoping some of the 5800X3D users won't be able to resist the 7000 series 3D V-cache chips, so I can finally get a 5800X3D for a decent price. I need something faster for better performance, but I am on AM4 using a 'golden sample' 3700X... which makes it on-par with a 5700. Upgrading to any other AM4 CPU would make no sense for me, as the gains would be too small and the cost too high.
@@HazewinDog THe 5800x3d was decently prices a month ago. I got it for 349 EUR. (in europe all hardware is 20% more expensive than USA) And sold my 3600 for 75 EUR. So the upgrade cost me 275 EUR, which I would say is good value.
Couple hours later after I have ordered my 5800x3d, it was sold out in Amazon. I got mine and installed it on my system. I was upgrading from R5 3600x because it was obvious that my CPU was bottlenecking my new AMD 6800XT. Now, I constantly see my GPU usage reaching 99% during gaming where as it used to barely reach 88% with my old CPU. The score on 3Dmark also went up significantly as well. I couldn't be anymore happier.
How your purchase feel now after 7 months? I ask because I have an RX 6800 xt too but with a Intel 10400 which is clearly a bottleneck. Why you choose this one over other cpu? Do you still think is the best buy?
The cost for me in Europe of AM5 over AM4 was 50% of the price of an AM4 mainboard. Add to that extra cost for memory. 5800X3D has lower power consumption, especially when undervolting, and as such runs slightly faster and cooler than stock - this transforms into power savings that I can then subtract over the 5 year period I expect to use this CPU. Our electricity prices have more than doubled over this past year. So I did the illogical and opted for buying an old platform over a new. I find these last times I did upgrade, I end up buying a new mainboard and RAM anyways, to get the most out of the parts I buy at the same time which also seem to run for about 5 years. Last time I upgrade, it was to Asrock Extreme4 (Z370) with an i3 8350 OC to 4,8GHz - I waited almost 5 years and there were no viable or meaningful CPU upgrades from there, I regret overspending on mainboard but not going Intel at the time. While it could have been nice trading an older Ryzen for the 5800X3D, I also like PCI Gen4 for the NVME I added now and the RAM timings and frequency I use now are better than what I would have gotten back then in 2017. All the while, I know I am on a very mature platform and that weird errors will be less or at least the risk of it. So while I fully understand the basis of the recommendation in this video and I might even make the same, I decided against it. If I get CPU bound in the future, I will do a platform upgrade to what at that time is the mature tech that gives me the standards in use (I care less about future graphics cards and SSDs, since I am unlikely to buy them - and even if, the most likely upgrade would be graphics and I will never spend more than 470 USD on a graphics card anyways unless wages go up by the same percentage - so I will often be more GPU and not CPU bound towards the end of the upgrades lifecycle). The option to buy a cheap CPU for an expensive mainboard is nice and sure that would make AM5 price competetive and if you end up with good upgrades from where you are thats good. I will be running my current CPU, for a long long time. A time where I will enjoy its advantage over a cheaper CPU, and in 5 years maybe I want that upgrade. At that time, we got 3-5 Intel generations further along and even if AM5 is new now at that time it is old tech - so if I want even faster NVMEs or higher frequency memory or whatever to take advantage or a new CPU at that time I would need to switch mainboard anyways. The whole idea of buying the newest platform even if overpriced so you can upgrade later on looks a lot like opportunity cost in the stock market. You loose out on performance today to perhaps get it back in the future - but then probably you still need to buy a 200USD (European prices) CPU and you still will not be on the latest standards in use by the other components that you can buy at the time.
Not only that but HUB's data deviates strongly from everyone else the most. Very weird. Looking at all the other major sources/testers, the X3D is better than 7600x and trades blows with the 7700x. The only 2 cpus one should really consider, are the X3D and 13600K. X3D for the best priced AMD system with next gen DDR5 level performance or 13600K (better overall than 7600x pretty easily) for DDR5 systems.
AM5 only makes more sense than the 5800X3D if you're going with only 16GB memory, because then the extra memory cost is...tolerable. If you want to do something like play DCS, which likes 64GB memory, there's no way AM5 makes sense at the current mainboard and memory prices.
@@2xKTfc 16 GB is a no go anyways. Insane to spend on such a build and not go with 32. Returnal is already recommending 32 GB, and most people play a lot of games with discord, yt, or a podcast running in the background anyways.
@@Bachian278 This is my take as well. I honestly don't understand why they're testing sometimes medium presets and sometimes with RT. If I wouldn't know HUB, I would say games settings are cherry picked to favor 7600X.
got a 5800x3D for 270$, and a 3090ti for 600$. Both were nice upgrades over my 3700x+1080ti. Paid less to upgrade then i would have paid total for an AM5 build.
Thank you so much for this! You actually convinced me to go for AM5 + 7600X instead of AM4 + 5800X3D with my new PC (first upgrade since years, I'm still on i7 4790K) for 4K gaming.
That effort you guys put into your videos is outstanding and i hope that many of us support you via patreon etc. You really deserve it. It helped me a lot and continue to do so. As the new AMD GPUs arrive, i think you´ll have a lot to do already but i hope you spend some time off work and have some relaxing christmas holidays. :D Greetings from Austria (The Country without kangaroos XD).
As someone who has the 5 year old I5 7600K ( Kaby Lake) on a Z270 Motherboard , and just uses it now for Work Use.It still perform's very well for that task.I just use the integrated HD630 GPU on it as I have a Gaming laptop for gaming on. So in my case Z690 / Z790 motherboards with say a Raptor Lake I5 13600K CPU being on a soon to be dead platform don't really concern me , because if i upgrade to it , It will in all likely do me for the next 6-7 years, as you can see from my upgrade cycle.By that time the whole CPU/Motherboard platform will have changed beyond recognition anyway.
This video is exactly what I needed. Upgrading from an i74790k on an 1150 mb so I have to start fresh, and have been torn between a good am4 board and 5800x3d or just going am5+7600x for a little more money (Like not even that much), I'm just gonna build on AM5 since it's a fresh build, thank you so much!
I had 2700X since 2018 and was considering both 7600X and 13600K, but then saw 5800X3D drop in price by 100 bucks so it was a no brainer. I wish it was faster in Cyberpunk (with crowd at high and RT enabled, there are still places - like the marketplace behind Toms Diner - where it drops framerate into 50s), but overall it is a great upgrade - it basically doubled the CPU performance and I was able to keep my other components (so I upgraded GPU instead).
Great work Steve, interesting comparison for many people building a new system from scratch. The new x3D 7000 series chips look even better then the OG 5800X3D with the same frequency as their non 3D counterparts. Some models will even have 192mb L3 cache which is pretty wild. Pricing of course will determine how successful these will be. Exciting times ahead for PC builders!
CPU - AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 8-Core GPU - AMD RADEON RX 6750 XT 12 GB (Had a 1080) the amd card shits on it RAM - CORSAIR 64 GB M/BOARD - ASROCK X570 PHANTOM GAMING 4 (AM4) It runs great, I play Ghost Recon Wildlands, Breakpoint & it plays great, at my age (75) it will do me, been using computers for years, I use to work for Commodore Australia
I am building a completely new PC and was struggling with choosing either am4 ddr4 5800x3d or am5 ddr5 7600x. Thank you for giving me clarity to now opt for AM5 with confidence. Great video, very comprehensible.
I think a regular 5800x would have been nice as comparison in there as well. Especially in the games where the X3D performed equally to the 7600x. But still a huge thank you for the comparison!
In summer For single player games, I typically keep my FPS at 60 and multiplayer at 90. in winter I sometimes increase it all to 144 if I can get that frame rate. I see very little difference going over 60 fps but my computer runs hotter and louder at higher FPS and increases the temps in my room, which is also my office. I see no reason to go over 144hz, even if that wasn't my monitors frequency. I am currently running an AM4 system, but will probably be upgrading to AM5 this summer. As a content creator, I use 128gigs of ram, so updating to AM5 is a bit expensive, but my AM4 systems have served me well over the last 5 years.
I'm looking at the 5800X3D coming from the Ryzen 2600. I've heard it brings big games in VR titles but unfortunately things like VRchat, SecondLife, and heavily modded Minecraft are ignored by reviewers. It's clear there isn't a GPU bottleneck in these cases, but it'd be very useful to know whether memory frequency, memory timings, single threaded perf, or cache would bring the greatest gains.
Absolutely worth it for VRChat, I have a circle of friends that are all getting it. One of the staff, Tupper, also says it's the best VRC cpu in a blog post.
love your handiwork, just pulled my 1700x out and put a 5800x3d in.. and just wow.. so many new options, resizable bar option etc.. buying the x370 was the right call, many friends and colleagues went intel and are whining about motherboard prices.. i tell them what i have done.. yeah... they might listen to me next time...
Upgraded from a 3600XT to the 5800X3D on a B450 and a 3080 Ti at 1440UW. Very happy with the performance gain playing MSFS 2020 and New World. Great content as always.
@@DatGamerDude For GPU, there is fark all difference from 3 to 4. For storage yes. The system will keep me going until l replace the whole thing. You take care now.
I said it back when the X3D launched, and it's even more true now that the chip is often on sale: if you're still on AM4, it's a no-brainer. I'm more than set to let AM5 get cheap before upgrading, perhaps with the B750 series. Of course, Intel ought to have Meteor Lake out by then, so I look forward to comparing the two.
Just upgraded to 5800x3d after it was reduced in the UK. I think if you don't get one soon at the discounted price of about £330 it'll be hard to get one as supply will begin to get low as we move into 2023. Very happy with performance and it's true about gaining FPS on some titles even while being GPU bound. I'll be sticking with Am4 maxed out for the next 5 years. There's something nice about having the best possible spec of a generation. Will keep an eye on Am5.
I agree, I am building a new computer right now and I tend to not upgrade over time. I use a PC until I need to upgrade and then build a new system and hand my old one off to my wife or the kids. I would rather use the best of the last generation that has already had everything worked out and probably use this for 3 or 4 years and move to the AM5 after it has matured.
the 5800x3d is a great Upgrade for people on the am4 chipset. It will allow people to skip this generation and rebuild on the second iteration of the am5. IMO the second iteration is going to be the best long term.
That's what i wanna do... curently i have 5600X with 7900xt..32gb 3200 ram... and 3440x1440p... cpu is botlenecking little bit in rdr2... and quite a lot in Starfield.. or cb2077 up to 75% cpu... then gpu util drops from 99 to 85% 😅 so for stable am4 socket is best buy now to buy 5800x3d for decent price and im good for another 2-3yrs.. then upgrade to solid and stable AM5?
At least one grand strategy and one factory game would be very useful addition in cpu testing. Victoria 3, crusader kings 3, stellaris and factorio, satisfactory, dyson sphere program. I imagine in these games 5800X3D is in the lead.
Very interesting data. I expect X3D is a lot stronger in simulators (MS Flight Sim, Star Citizen, X4 Foundations) but it’s impressive how strong 7600X is in other games.
I switched from 5900x to 5800x3d paired with my evga 3080 10gb, and ddr4 3600 (2x16) cl14. It's lightning fast, smoother, and pushes it to 99% now. I couldn't be happier. I can play at 4k and get very high frame rates at high and ultra settings on all my high end games. The lows are much better, and are just as important as high stable frame rates, if your on am4 already, just drop this in. It's really amazing, very very nice of AMD to do this at the end of am4. I'm getting equal or just under Intels very best processors and no ddr5 required, or new motherboard, which are still all so expensive, for almost no extra benefit to my frames, or lows...and intels is very bad on power..more than double than my 5800x3d. That's what's so crazy too. And I can totally skip over the am5 now. I can just drop in a 4090, when prices drop if my 3080 gets outdated now. But I'll be good for like 5 years on this setup now.
5800X3D is a no brainer upgrade on my 3600. Problem is where I live, second hand is going at USD 400, and brand new at retail starts at 460. At those prices, is it better to sit out and save for a new platform or bite the bullet and get a 5800X3D?
Totally agree. If you have to buy new and want next gen performance I would not go AM4. The I would pay the 10% premium to go AM5 start with a 7600X now and move to Zen5 later. But for people on AM4 I suggest them to keep and eye out of the 5600 and 5800X3D to extend their system life a few years longer (if they have a 1/2e gen or in some cases 3th Gen Ryzen now.) Thanks for the great testing Steve! I was hoping to see Startcraft 2 in there but I can imagine it's to much of a niche to include it. I really wonder how Zen4 performs there but I expent to be faster than the X3D. The 5800X3D is quite a bit faster than the 5800X especially in custom maps with a lot of units.
that future proofing it would be as obsolete as AM4. Why? Because by the time you "need" to upg from 7600X we will have the sweet spot in DDR5 at 8000 clocks or higher. Making you need to change the RAM and Mobo as well. Platform future proof is futile at this time.
I’m building a brand new system for gaming (especially MSFS) and went with AM4 5800x3d because performance/price can’t be beat. People think too much about future upgradability when most will just replace everything after a few years.
I am planning to upgrade soon to the *Ryzen 7 5800X3D* from my old *Ryzen 5 1600,* on the MSI B350M Mortar Arctic (bought CPU & MB just a month after the official realise of the Ryzen platform in 2017).
I sidegraded from my 5800x to the 3d and it was absolutely worth it, the improved fps lows for every game are a godsend (not to mention quite many games get a max gain too). Managed to snag a brand new 3d for 380 eur (considering we have 27% vat that's not bad) and managed to sell the 5800x for 215 eur.
I made the same move when the 3D was $330 a while ago. On a 4090, the average FPS didn't change much but it was such a huge improvement in the 1% lows.
Just recently scooped a new 5800X3D for less than $300 from Amazon and WOW! It has breathed new life into my old AM4 build. I was previously using a 2700x and was getting constant stutter when trying to play TLOU Part 1 or Cyberpunk. With the upgrade I find myself getting lost in the game again and not breaking the immersion because of microstutters. Being someone who had an existing X470 build and who did not want to disassemble their computer or spend the time and money buying all new components, this was a God send.
I decided to do an AM4 build and dropped the 5800X3D into a B550 mATX board. It’s honestly incredible! I won’t need to upgrade my CPU again for at least 5 years so don’t care much about the platform longevity
For a new build I went with the 7600x, mobo (b650 tomahawk) and ram price do hurt, but I rest easy knowing that theres an upgrade path ahead when the next generarion o x3d cpus arrive
I love my 5800X3D. Couldn't justify the costs on upgrading the whole platform when I could just drop this chip in. For new builds totally different of course
Hi can please know what temperature are u getting when gaming and what cooler are u using. I have this cpu as well but getting hot so planning to change the cooler
@@thineshmahandran About 50-55c whilst gaming. I have a slight undervolt on it though -50mv offset in bios. The cooler is an old Raijintek Orcus 240 AIO. It's very good though which is why I've kept it
I recently upgraded from a 3700X to a 5800X3D and from an RX480 (yes, I know...) to a 6900XT. Aside from some really annoying driver issues that got fixed literally yesterday, it runs insanely well. And since I didn't need to buy a new Mainboard or a new PSU (got a 850W 80+ gold), it was great. I originally planned to go for the 4000 series and wait for the new X3D Models, but after I saw the AM5 and 4000 series prices I noped out of it. I got another good 3-5 years out of my system for "just" 1100 € after taxes (new cooler included) and couldn't be happier with my choice. I'm playing at 3440x1440 btw, so I needed some oomph, but not 4K oomph. I also created undervolting/underclocking profiles for my graphics card which save me more than 100W in less demanding games.
I have an Aorus master x570 board. I think upgrading to a 5800x3d from a 5600x just makes more sense for me right now along with upgrading my 6700xt. Yeah AM4 is dead but I built my Pc during the pandemic during lockdown and only use it for gaming. I think I've got a good 3-4 years left on this platform if I upgrade to x3d and a 7900 Xt or xtx for 1440 gaming.
Thank you. Great video. But sadly though, AM5, DDR5, and the 6700X are a little over $300 than a nice AM4, DDR4, and 5800x3d here in Korea. I just upgraded from 1700x and x370... i hate the prices here
Definitely planning to upgrade to a 5800x3d in the next year. I would love to upgrade to the 7000 series but on AM4. May as well just get the absolute best AM4 gaming CPU and ride it out a few years.
I just bought a new system featuring a 5800X3D and I couldn't be happier. I usually never upgrade parts, but instead switching out everything so the 'dead end' upgrade path means nothing to me. However, what DOES matter to me is to not support the general insane AM5 prices. I'm voting with my wallet.
Great results, however due to platform cost I still get the 5800X3D for my new mini ITX build. As to get the Zen 4 parts I'll need to spend more than 500$ for the CPU + Mobo + RAM compared to the AM4 build. Maybe I'll upgrade to DDR5 in 2-3 years when the RAM and motherboard costs has gone down.
This is a great video! I just recently put one together of upgrading to a 5800X3D but seeing these results, and with the recent price cut AMD put to the 7600X making it now $80 cheaper than the also cut down 5800X3D, it seems like a better choice for anyone building new systems as the price of ram/mobo will likely offset the discount. But for folks still using AM4, the 5800X3D is the way to go.
The Flare X5 kits are great. I grabbed two for some new builds and have been very pleased. If you don't care about having RGB right now they are one of the best values for DDR5 memory. As for the CPUs, I own both. I love the 5800X3D!, However, I managed to get a 7600X for $200 and it is quite good considering it has a ton less cache to leverage to likely have me switch out my platforms, upgrade a family member with the 5800X3D, and then I'll be all set on AM5, until the 7000 series 3D chips launch :p
I'm gonna hold out for the 7000X3D even tho they're probably gonna cost an arm and a leg, especially since it means doing a full AM5 platform upgrade. Fingers crossed it will be worth it!
Agreed about the intro comments about the upgrade. I was already on AM4 with a 1700x. I didn't need to upgrade everything else, nor did I have the budget to do so. I also knew AM5 doesn't overtake the 5800x 3D all the time and it isn't enough to matter and say "OMG 5800X 3D SUX!". I took advantage of Black Friday, got it and updated the BIOS and plopped it in. I also have multiple PCs, thus by late AM5 I can upgrade PC1, PC2 gets an upgrade, while PC3 gets the zen 1.
@@arfianwismiga5912 No need for that. I've upgraded from R7 1700X to a newer 3800X and lastly to 5800X3D without OS reinstall. 😁 Just had to updater chipset's drivers for smoother experience.
@@arfianwismiga5912 No. All i did was reset the bios to factory defaults. Than updated the bios to the latest version to get 4 sticks of ram to work. And I undervolted it. It runs amazing. No more stuttering when gaming and watching RUclips at the same time. Now I just need to upgrade my rtx 2080 to something nice and probably red.😊
The point here, is what I just did. I had an existing AM4 platform with 32GB of memory on an X470 board. The X3D was a plug in upgrade with zero additional costs, whereas the 7600 would have been a full platform upgrade with board and memory. That stacked the odds towards the X3D pretty heavily. The X3D will last me several years before it falls below a good level. I can stick with looking at GPU prices and sobbing now until maybe 2025 or so. Edit: Given that upgrade scenario, the X3D upgrade cost HALF what it'd cost to go from 3600 to 7600x, and given it's a competitive performer, that's a massive cost/frame win for those already on AM4.
As many are saying in the comments if you already have the board the x3d is a sweet upgrade. I am looking forward to getting one to replace my 5600x next year. If building new go 7600x. Either way it's great to have such choice and not even need to think Intel.
I doubt it's smart. I did same with 2600x and b450. By the time my plan came and 5600x was ready to be bought, mobo already had defects. I still upgraded and it felt like wasted money :D Ended up selling whole system and bought new PC with 5800x3d. 7600x is definitely the worst choice possible for anyone who upgrades rarely.
I upgraded to a x3d from 5600x two weeks ago, with selling the 5600x the upgrade was like 150 bucks. A week later Asus unlocked 5800x3d curve Optimizer on most b550 boards which is nice too. The games i play see huge bump in performance for the x3d. Saw a 40% boost in min fps from 65 to 90 in vr which makes a huge difference.
With the 5800x3d on Amazon in the UK for £265 I changed my mind on the AM5 move (been stuck with a 3600 + 3080). I now can sit tight and wait for the next AMD releases instead of dropping around £500 just to get on the minimum end of AM5
The 5800X3D is definitely best as a drop in upgrade for existing AM4 systems. As a new build, you may as well jump to AM5 now, or saving up until the motherboard prices stop being so overpriced.
Im content with my 5800x for now. Im actually going to hold my CPU for longer than 1 year this time. I want the DDR5, PCIE Gen 5, And X670/Z790 (and onward of course) market to get a bit more saturated before switching.
I bought the cheap Ryzen 5 4500 for $100 delivered to my door but I've been holding back my 6800. It's time to upgrade to the 5800X3D to enjoy the most of of it before I get the 7900XTX in little while...
Thanks for the vid steve. 5800x3d owner here. My first AMD build roughly 6 months ago. Upgraded from 7700k gtx1080ti & loving it! ROG strix x570 mobo, EVGA RTX3090, Gskill trident z neo 32gb. Will upgrade to 7800x3d when it's released.
I’m looking to build my first PC. I am really looking forward to the x3d models coming out for Ryzen 7000s series. I’m willing to spend a little bit more for the platform longevity and the huge performance bump from the x3d architecture. For those that have an AM4 platform, I would just purchase the 5800x3d. It’s the best gaming cpu, and you don’t need to spend so much on buying a new motherboard.
I would love to see a 13600K comparison. I’ve just done a budget build and went LGA1700 just because I thought I could squeeze a little more out of the platform than AM4, but would be interested to see. Based on your 13600K Vs 7600 video, I’m guessing 13600K is same as 5800X3D
As of right now with my current budget I've been debating getting either (Current CPU is I5 7500 so either one is amazing to upgrade to) been planning to get either the X3D or the 7600. So this video is a good summary of the difference as the only main cons I see on AM5 is expensive ram that ain't fully optimized yet. And that's basically it
Upgraded from the 1600X on a B350 Tomahawk motherboard to the 5800X3D, and the performance gains are amazing. Truly a great upgrade for existing AM4 owners
most effective use of the AM4 platform longevity. Well done. I'm considering doing that with AM5. Buy a 7000 chip (once the X3D models are out) and keep it until AM6 comes along and I can upgrade to the best AM5 CPU for relatively cheap then.
@@Hugh_I Thank you. I was originally planning to completely rebuild my pc as it's 5 years old, but seeing how the prices for new components are not letting up as much as I thought, I made the decision to prolong my current build with a 5800X3D. I also wanted to upgrade to the upcoming Ryzen 7000X3D parts, but maybe I'll wait just a bit longer as well. Now that I'm getting nearly double fps on everything, I can keep at it some more.
So glad I decided to go with the 5800X3D. For me upgrading to AM5 with a new CPU + RAM + motherboard would have been twice as expensive as just getting the 5800X3D + two sticks of DDR4 RAM.
In my opinion, none of those CPUs are "good value", let me explain. The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is priced at ~380$ whilst the Ryzen 5 7600X is priced at ~250$. The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is a lot faster in some games and a lot slower in a most games in the benchmark, not to mention being a lot slower at workstation purposes. Even though the 7600X is at 249$, motherboard prices and RAM prices are still sky high, 159$(lowest) and 35$ for 8GB at its lowest, respectively. A Core i7-13700K(440$), Ryzen 9 5900X(349$), Ryzen 9 5950X(499$) or a Ryzen 7 7700X(higher platform cost)(349$) would be a better buy if you need it for workstation purposes and willing to spend a little bit more or just get a non-3d 5800X(239$) if you want a balanced CPU for gaming and workstation. A Core i5-13600K(320$) or a Core i5-12600K(250$) will be better even slower thanks to it lower platform cost. Furthermore, while these CPUs are not "good value" they're still good chips that is recommendable. And also, the upcoming 7000X3D chips could be way better than the 5800X3D at a price.
It's the perfect upgrade for people already on the am4 platform that are planning to ride it out. I've never seen a CPU that held up to a next gen part so well. Pretty great value if you ask me.
Such a shame none of the tech reviews ever put flight sims into their testing. MSFS, XP12, DCS.. all of these would have been interesting to see results of as they are CPU intensive particularly in multi player environments.
@@Hardwareunboxed Would you ever put a 5800X3D on a B450 TOMAHAWK MAX? I might grab this CPU the next time there's a huge drop in price but i'm not sure about putting it into this board...
I had budgeted for a new AM5 7700X build, but after 7000 and 40 series launches, I initially ordered then canceled and decided to wait and finally just got annoyed and ordered a $340 5800x3D and a $699 6950 XT for my current AM4 Rig (B450 Tomahawk Max / 32GB DDR4 3200 CL16). Gaming at 1440p I think I will be happy for a little while longer. Plus I got COH 3 free, which I was going to buy anyway. Saved about $1500 over the build I had spec'd out. I'll take the 3% hit.
As much a I appreciate using a 4090 to avoid GPU throttling who can afford that card, how is this applicable to 99% of users. It isn't. It would be a lot more useful to use a video card like a 3070 or such to reflect how little difference there is between these CPUs for 99% of people, and at that rate they'd probably be served just as well by a much cheaper and more power efficient 5600. Sometimes I wonder if reviewers just get jaded having all that fancy hardware available to them and forget about the vast majority of regular users. You're doing the CPU justice by using a super expensive gpu, but not the user.
They did it to not have any gpu bottleneck to show the differen es between the cpu. If they used lesser gpus then the gpu would bottleneck and the fps wont change no matter what cpu you have
I would take the 5800x3d over the 7600. Due to the cache, 5800x3d will have fewer stutters. Now the 7800x3d is the one to compare but the issue with burn downs and MB issues caused me to pause on this one. Just wait till DDR6 MBs and sit out this round.
the 5800X3D is actually a decent match for the RTX 4080. In most games if you're running at 1440p or higher the CPU bottleneck won't be too great in most cases
Thanks for this awesome comparison! We were quite lucky with black Friday sales here in Germany! B650 gaming x = 184€ ; 7600x = 269€ ; 16GB 5600CL36 Kingston Hynix = 83€ (2x). Comparing this with only 1 stick vs my 2x8GB build with 10600k+Z490 gaming X, I paid 3% more (with inflation I paid less!) and I'm seeing 140-200% the fps! The Kingston 5600+ ram seems to always be sk hynix and easily runs 6000CL30 for a bargain!
As someone whose native language is not English but is confident enough in my skills in it, hearing Steve talk that fast saying all those number models and names is the hardest english hearing test I've come across so far lol
Yeah true I would be nice if the put the name/numbers on the screen so u can just read them
@@bratwurstler2647 turn auto CC on. RUclips gets them correct 90% of the time :)
Spy tf2 gaming brothers
Then there are some of us that watch at 1,5x speed 💀
If you ever come to Australia then, you will be able to understand us ok ;)
Being on am4 for years the 5800x 3d was a great upgrade. Gonna get me through the next few years.
Yup, love mine too.
Me too
Same, love it, despite the peaky temperatures.
Same for me. Got my b350 board when the 1700 came out and now I’m on the 58003D and really happy.
@@truckerallikatuk Have you heard of the PBOTuner to lower the power Curve ? I suggest to take a look! I have set all my cores to -30 and now it boost like 150 MHz higher all the time! Cinebench R23 is hitting 15k at much lowert temps
The MadMan did it again.
it's insanely impressive at this point
He can't be stopped
@@LiveType longer lifetime do…
Please go easy on your sanity
Nicee 👍
5800X3D is an unbelievable upgrade for Microsoft Flight Simulator. Truly crazy how good it is - even compared just to Ryzen 5000, let alone the MASSIVE gains you get if you're coming from any previous Ryzen gen.
Also in Assetto Corsa Competizione, the game I play the most!
Yeah I really wish MSFS would make it into the benchmarks.
@@zxy7529 They already explained why they can't include it. Blame Microsoft for using a boneheaded system that makes it difficult to legally play the game on multiple systems.
I Wish someone would include some sort of flight simulator in this, if not MSFS, then DCS, or star citizen, or something
depending on what gpu you pair it with. anything less than 3090 is not worth it
Since I already had an x570 the upgrade to the $384 5800x3d a few months ago was the sensible option (got it on sale.) But if I didn’t have anything I probably would have gone with the 7600x or waited for the 7000x3d chip. I feel like the 7000 series 3D chip is gonna be incredible! Thank you so much for the video!
Same situation here.
I'm sort of in the same situation. I'm upgrading my GPU, but will have to see if I will upgrade my mobo as well because I am on PCIe3 right now, if that will have any effect.
@@stuartandrews4344 just didn’t seem worth purchasing a new MOBO and RAM kit. After watching the performance difference it really doesn’t seem worth it for the 7,000 series if you’re on AM4 but also I only game. I’m not very tech savvy but swapping out to the 5800x3d was pretty simple. The idea of having to rewire everything to a new motherboard and have to pay an extra $400+ to do it… no thank you! That’s just my opinion though!
@@CorporalCookie what motherboard do you currently have?
@@CorporalCookie Upgrade from a B450 to a Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE V2, has PCIe 4 , 2.5GbE LAN, with a 5800X3D it's been superb,has everything I need,& still has years of use, & best bit board was only £138 here in UK.Worked out cheaper option compared to buying AM5 from scratch.
As I was able to drop in the 5800X3D from my 3600, it really shows the strength of the AM4 upgrade path over the years. Same logic for the new system builders now as you've mentioned with AM5. Has to be said that AMD has done an (overall) good job with the upgrade path building good will amongst builders vs Intel. That 2 year cycle on platforms looks like it's starting to hurt them more now after the years of AM4. It all comes down to if AMD can keep it up on AM5 and force Intel to compete in more than just initial purchase price to try and get them to commit to a longer term compatibility.
So true. I wish Intel comes around to that idea for the DIY market. Socket longevity is a big plus and it scales better once you have multiple PCs.
I can only wonder how many AM4 users passed on their old parts to make homeservers, overspecced HTPCs, NAS etc.
AMD's business model of selling old gen CPUs alongside with the new ones actually works quite well when you have a longer socket lifespan.
While Intel seems to rely too heavily on OEM contracts and doesn't give enough thought to the DIY space.
I'm amazed I've already been on AM4 for over 4 years and I plan to stay for 2-3 more years. Can't do that with Intel!
@@Aaron-uz8xt oh why? I had my i5-6600k for many years in my own rig and it Is still in good use as living room PC.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 That's one CPU vs staying on the same platform for many years with different generation CPUs.
@@ollierkul I have been building PCs since early 90s. I have never had the need to buy new CPUs every year. Anyhow, AM4 longevity was nice. Its problem was though that (if we are honest) Zen2 was the first decent cpu gen for it and it and Zen3 was the only good one. Zen1 and Zen1+ were pretty horrible high latency low compatibility mess. Maybe AM5 will be better, sporting many good gens over the years and providing good value for someone buying a cpu now and upgrading in 4-5 years. I am personally fine buying a computer today and then reselling both cpu and motherboard when I upgrade every 5+ years or so. We have not yet had a situation where either manufacturer would have had a decent alternative for that.
I was using 1700 on x370. And upgraded to 5800x3D, it made an incredible sense to me. The performance for me is enough to outlast AM5 and upgrade to AM6.
I'm looking at upgrading from the Ryzen 2600 but I have no interest in any of the games used to assess the 5800x3D here.
I'm much more interested in VR performance and applications where unoptimized user-generated content is involved.
Where have you seen the greatest gains from your upgrade?
@@zig131 you'll be just fine with a 5600 for modern VR games. That's what I use on a budget 450 MB. Works great!
@@bandanabush7334 You're missing the point - I don't tend to play many modern games.
I also have a RX 5700XT and a 60Hz monitor so I'm not really CPU bottlenecked in any modern game. But I am bottlenecked in Chillout VR and VRChat where I am in the 20-40 FPS range..
I'm in exactly the same position, just waiting for it to go to £330, and ima snap it up. I'm expecting to double my performance almost across the board!
@@zig131 I imagine the extra cache of memory might help a lot with that bottleneck, but no experience with that chat app. I only use my VR for Alyx and Beatsaber lol
Seeing the performance of the 5800X3D makes me not being able to wait for the new X3D models coming in the next year!
Great job, as always. 🤙
sounds uncharacteristic of them.
@Marcus R they've lost this gen to intel so far, they are very desperate to perform well
@Marcus R In what world would it benefit AMD, to gimp performance, when they'll be releasing their Zen 4 3D SKUs, in between 13th and 14th-gen? It's ridiculous how many people expect AMD to pull something this objectively stupid. They want to keep taking ground from Intel, not continue to lose it and make AM5 still not worth investing in.
@@pppparanoidddd They're not desperate, Intel is winning by cramming in tons of E-Cores. That's a temporary solution, not something they can repeat indefinitely
Because 7000 series has more build in memory, the differense is not this big, but there are situations where the extra will help. But how much vs the price?
I actually upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D a little while ago, I managed to buy one on Black Friday and replaced my Ryzen 5 5600X with it. I sold my Ryzen 5 5600X for 150€, so I managed to get a pretty decent upgrade out of it for not that much money. After seeing this benchmark comparison, I have to say that I'm quite happy with my upgrade decision.
Pretty decent? Bruh, I have noticed negligible to none difference between all 5000 series CPUs at 3440x1440 and 4K, literally same results. Maybe if you're talking about 1080p you can say it, but anything higher I literally see no improvement at all.
@@ezpzjayzaar with a RTX 4090 in 4K would be the same as your test on 1080p
@@ezpzjayzaar EFT and MSFS has huge improvements, among other titles. It is entirely game dependant tho.
Hi sir, with ryzen Master what is the max boost clock speed u achieve
@@ezpzjayzaar thats your gpu then lol
5800X3D is really a gem for those who want to max out their existing AM4 builds. Heck even if you were running a cheap 2600/3600 six core, it would be happy on your low-end B350/B450 motherboard. We have one running on a 5 year old B350m Bazooka.
Mines running on a b450m pro 4 by asrock. No issues at all, in fact I get above average scores in cinebench r23 (15100 multi core)
Wait, you can put in a 5800x3d in a b450!? Wouldn't that VRM struggle to meet the demands of the CPU?
@Josiah Dublin no issues here so far. Ran occt on all of the modes and the highest the temp went was 77 degrees.
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@@josiahdublin7816 msi tomahawk max b450 can run ryzen 9 all day
Great video, Steve.
Interesting match up.
I think the 5800x3d might be a good case for me though: I plan to skip AM5 entirely and will jump back on board in 4-5 years to whichever Intel or AMD is better.
The money that is saved by it upgrading CPU or to ddr5 ram will be spent on GPUs instead.
As I don’t think I’ll be able to budget for a 4090, I don’t think I’ll lose much performance in the 4-5 years of AM5 until my next upgrade. Quite specific use case but there are a lot of people with AM4 who don’t need to upgrade due to et I think.
Yeah im thinking on same idea . I have old Ryzen 5 1600 with MSI 1070 GTX for 5+ years now so im looking for upgrade for next 5 years atleast ,but i dont feel that AM5 right now has too much edge over matured AM4 platform. Right now it looks like 5800x3D with mid range MOBO is better deal then whole new AM5 build. Also im waiting for new AMD GPU so it might be worth to go AM4 and save money for it or in worst case i just go with Rx 6900XT or other High end GPU.
same just went for the AM4 platform as it doesn't matter as 1 will change to an entire new system after a long time....
with the cash saved on the AM5 got a better monitor instead and I dont plan to move for at least 5yrs (coming back after 10yrs on a 2500K LOL)
Furthermore, went in for SFF - which has ridiculous pricing MB - (dont really like big tower cases now)...
Very few of us are cpu bound anyway. I think you made the smart choice.
This is me. Upgraded to a 5800X3D and gonna ride out the AM5 generation.
Amazing video as always. You test stuffs fast Steve!
Thank you, you also watch videos fast, like really fast :D
@@Hardwareunboxed true
@@Hardwareunboxed haha, what a comeback
Hardware Unboxed I’d just like to say thanks , been looking to upgrade my first gen ryzen system and I spend hours watching your videos. , keep it up it is very useful and enjoyable content to watch ❤️
For someone who already has an AM4 system that was built 2 years ago, the 5800x3d made sense. I sold my 5800x and bought thr 3d. So I have a pretty good upgrade in performance for about $120. That way I have the fastest gaming performance I can get for my mobo. I will see how long that and my 3090 keep me happy which I feel will be a few more years.
by having fastest performance for mobo, you're also maximising benefit out of the entire system ! no margins remain wasted
That's bold, I had my 5800x just before the 5800x3D was released, wouldn't make that upgrade now.
I did same upgrade. Was running a Crosshair VIII Hero with 5800X, 3600 CAS 14-14-14 and a 4090. Got the 5800X3D for $330 and it was BY FAR the best value upgrade I could do. Now waiting 1-2 years for the AM5 and DD5 prices to slide before moving on to Zen 4.
Yeah, if you have an AM4 mobo, I wouldn't spend on replacing it yet. 5800X3D makes a LOT of sense.
I got a 7900X, but I'm replacing a 4790k. So I'm pretty much building a whole system from scratch.
@@RenLacerda Don't talk about "value", when you just bought a 4090, kind of hypocrite.
Upgraded from a 5600x to 5800x3D, and I see quite the difference at 1440p. Hope to keep the 5800x3d for several years and I'm making the bet it will be able to manage next generation of GPUs fine enough
For sure If will hold mid to high budget gpus pretty good.
I change my old 1600 on my B350 to 5800X3D this week, its a great upgrade, will definitely last as long as the 1600 did! Great video!
just did the same!
Did you change the Ram?
@@motorbisyo1121 Yes i did, i change my old 2x8GB 2666mhz kit to 2x16GB 3200mhz
Just a tip for anyone going X3D, the memory doesnt matter much ram and speed so dont buy really expensive ram as I did to tune to infinity, not worth it, just go ordinary 3600 mhz cl 16 or 17 tbh
Regarding avoiding the 5800x3d due to not wanting to invest in the AM4 platform - I don't really feel like the platform is much of an investment given how rarely (for me) a CPU upgrade has happened without also upgrading the rest of the computer (or atleast the mobo and ram).
Usually its either that the CPU I choose is among the best the platform will ever see (meaning a worthwhile upgrade never becomes an option), or if not, that I've also specced out a lower end motherboard that I can't (or don't want to) use with a top end CPU.
Infact, in my 25 years of building computers I've only *once* upgraded a CPU without upgrading the motherboard, and that was when I swapped out the i7 950 in my X58 motherboard for a cheap 2nd hand xeon x5660 (which I promptly overclocked from 2.7 to 4.4ghz) - that's the kind of upgrade (in terms of low cost and jump in performance) that I'm absolutely certain will never be an option again (intel made sure of that by locking down subsequent generations of xeons).
I just don't feel it's worthwhile to build a computer around potential future CPU upgrades that might not ever happen. Just build the computer that's the best bang for buck right now.
is 5800x3d still worth the money today? im building a PC and im afraid of spending money in an obsolete one.
@@rodrigocataldorios6533 it's still a really good choice, and as someone who bought AM5 and 7950x a few months back (the 16 cores is good for non-gaming things I do) let me tell you that you are avoiding a lot of things by buying the more stable, less experimental platform (and "experimental" is the word I'd use for am5 if you want to use your memory as advertised, not even talking about the CPUs melting either, getting mine to post every time at 6000mhz has been an uphill battle).
@@fuzz11111111 Thanks for the reply!
I´m an architect and want to build a pc for flawless work (not that i'm tooooo pro, but eventually will do some good models and renders haha)
i'm between 5800x3d or 7700x.
i've seen a lot of videos and my thoughts are this:
-5800x3d: Very good CPU but not upgrade options in future. (but maybe could skip AM5 gen)
-7700x: as good as 5800x3d (maybe better) but a bit more expensive and hotter temps, but can be undervolted by software
This is my firs pc build ever and already failed by buying a 3060ti (gddr6x) two weeks ago and now im trying to sell it to buy a 4070 u_u.
I understand that CPUs will last longer at good perfomance than GPUs but im afraid of making the same mistake.
so, what would you do, considering 32 gb ram and buying a 4070 in a few months.
Hope you can reply! thanks
@Rodrigo Cataldo Ríos it's just down to whether you see yourself upgrading CPU without a mobo/ram upgrade to go with it, if you're the kind to stick with a CPU for a while (as I am) then there's a good chance you might need (or want) to upgrade those items when you upgrade the CPU anyway. How much you are spending on the mobo also comes into play (eg: you're more likely to want to hang onto it if it's a top tier x670e).
For me CPUs last ages, and the only things that get upgraded without a mobo upgrade are the GPU and SSD (I should also mention that my old parts go into my wife's system, which does incentivise me to upgrade CPU+mobo+ram in one go).
I can't tell you which way to go as only you know whether a CPU-only upgrade is a realistic future option for you, but I'm sure that either system will more than meet your needs today (and that you'll probably have an easier time regarding ram timings and expo profiles if you go the older platform).
[edit] If you're doing a lot of productivity stuff (that's CPU only) you should make sure you compare those CPUs using productivity related benchmarks (as the extra cache in the 5800x3D only helps with gaming and things similar to gaming, GPU accelerated rendering likely gets a boost though).
@@rodrigocataldorios6533 I have one paired with a 6800xt GPU and with some light overclocking and undervolting I can run Cyberpunk 2077 at the max settings with RT and FSR quality and get 60fps at 1440p, sometimes getting into the 90fps range in certain areas, and never dipping below 45 fps in heavily dense areas of the city. Pretty good for AMDs poor RT performance. If I wanted to spend DOUBLE the price on a 3080 at the time I'd get a lot more frames with RT, but the 6800xt was only 500 when I bought it while the 3080 was literally over 1000 dollars...
Since i had a AM4 mobo (Asus Prime X470 Pro) i just decided to go from 2600X to a 5800X3D and the difference in performance is astronomical, going for AM5 7600X setup would have costed me more than double so i think ill just wait for a generation or 2 before switching to AM5. Hopefully it's a long lasting socket like AM4 was.
Damn these cpu generations are moving fast. I've barely used my 3600 and they're already up to the 7000 series.
Don't be fooled, it is just 2 generations actually. They have the notebook CPUs as a new number (e. g. 4xxx and 6xxx)
I'll say don't feel the need to upgrade if you have no problems with your CPU
They skipped 4000 and 6000 number on desktop
@@janodelic2615 was about to say...that was an intentional move by AMD to make AM5 more appealing with the 7000 series
yes same problem 1 year and shit 3600 cpu.
Love the comparison. I am sitting on 5600x and will probably go for the 5800x3d at some point. It should last me long enough in 1440p to skip all upcoming cpu's for the next 3-4 years and than I can go for AM6 or something. You rally need insanely strong GPU-s to make cpu like 5800x3d obsolete faster and I am always in for the mid range guys. With the best perf/price ratio. I assume AMD will rule in my builds in the upcoming years.
i had a 5600x golden sample! so it went to 4.8ghz allcore or plus 200 pbo with undervolting..
i brought the 3d at launch and it give me 30% more fps in some games!
my 3d runs 4.550 on 3 cores and 4450 allcore with optimzer! under 70w and ridiculous gaming performance!
@@Knebebelmeyer It all depends on the cards you use. With something like 6600 xt or even 3070 i doubt there will by noticable difference in 1440p. I tend to swap CPU's when they start to limit the GPU i currently use. I might buy something like rx 7700 xt so 5600x should still be doing pretty well with that card.
@@zagloba1987 in Sim/emulator games the X3D can be 50-60% faster then a 5800X,also with games in alpha/beta and MMOs,tons of people play those games but they dont really get benchmarked.
Do it! My main (only) games are Star Citizen and MS Flight sim. Based on the HWU reviews at the time on an X570 board I went from 5600X/3060Ti/1440p combo to 5800X3D/3080Ti/4K. In MSFS alone my average fps went from mid 30’s to mid 60’s upgraded from 1440p to 4k (ultra settings). I’d give credit to the implementation of DLSS in MSFS for some of those numbers but purely from an ‘enjoyment’ level it went from ‘ok but sometimes frustrating’ to ‘absolutely glorious’ lol. Star Citizen went from ‘occasionally unplayable, sometimes frustrating’ to ‘omg omg omg just LOOK at this thing!’ (rarely get less than 40fps and mostly also 60+). Money well spent!
@@Kevin-fl7mj 4k fixes all problems with cpu.
Get 4090 and 12100f
I upgraded from the first gen Zen 1 1600x to a 3600 to a 5800X3D on the same B350 board. What an amazing ride for the AM4 platform. I could upgrade to the new platform for faster memory and M2 speed, but just don't think it's worth it.
Same path here. Made the initial build in 2017 so that platform has lasted me about 6 years now, which is insane since I would have swapped the board 2 times already if it was an Intel system instead.
The 7600x is such a better buy in the longer run.
I just upgraded from a 3500x to a 5800x3d. The difference was night and day. I worked out it was cheeper to go this route than upgrade the motherboard ram and CPU as well.
A very interesting comparison video.
Your prior video comparing the 5800x3D vs 5800x showed massive margins in favor of the 3D v-cache CPU, but those are largely absent for the same games in this comparison, like Riftbreaker, Battlefield 5, Hitman 3, and War Thunder. I'd guess this means the DDR5 memory and sheer clock speed are compensating for the lack of 3D v-cache on the 7600x. It will be interesting to see what the 7000 series 3D v-cache CPUs manage to do next year.
Yeah. I'm hoping some of the 5800X3D users won't be able to resist the 7000 series 3D V-cache chips, so I can finally get a 5800X3D for a decent price. I need something faster for better performance, but I am on AM4 using a 'golden sample' 3700X... which makes it on-par with a 5700. Upgrading to any other AM4 CPU would make no sense for me, as the gains would be too small and the cost too high.
@@HazewinDog THe 5800x3d was decently prices a month ago. I got it for 349 EUR. (in europe all hardware is 20% more expensive than USA) And sold my 3600 for 75 EUR. So the upgrade cost me 275 EUR, which I would say is good value.
Couple hours later after I have ordered my 5800x3d, it was sold out in Amazon. I got mine and installed it on my system. I was upgrading from R5 3600x because it was obvious that my CPU was bottlenecking my new AMD 6800XT. Now, I constantly see my GPU usage reaching 99% during gaming where as it used to barely reach 88% with my old CPU. The score on 3Dmark also went up significantly as well. I couldn't be anymore happier.
How your purchase feel now after 7 months? I ask because I have an RX 6800 xt too but with a Intel 10400 which is clearly a bottleneck. Why you choose this one over other cpu? Do you still think is the best buy?
The cost for me in Europe of AM5 over AM4 was 50% of the price of an AM4 mainboard. Add to that extra cost for memory. 5800X3D has lower power consumption, especially when undervolting, and as such runs slightly faster and cooler than stock - this transforms into power savings that I can then subtract over the 5 year period I expect to use this CPU. Our electricity prices have more than doubled over this past year. So I did the illogical and opted for buying an old platform over a new. I find these last times I did upgrade, I end up buying a new mainboard and RAM anyways, to get the most out of the parts I buy at the same time which also seem to run for about 5 years. Last time I upgrade, it was to Asrock Extreme4 (Z370) with an i3 8350 OC to 4,8GHz - I waited almost 5 years and there were no viable or meaningful CPU upgrades from there, I regret overspending on mainboard but not going Intel at the time. While it could have been nice trading an older Ryzen for the 5800X3D, I also like PCI Gen4 for the NVME I added now and the RAM timings and frequency I use now are better than what I would have gotten back then in 2017. All the while, I know I am on a very mature platform and that weird errors will be less or at least the risk of it.
So while I fully understand the basis of the recommendation in this video and I might even make the same, I decided against it. If I get CPU bound in the future, I will do a platform upgrade to what at that time is the mature tech that gives me the standards in use (I care less about future graphics cards and SSDs, since I am unlikely to buy them - and even if, the most likely upgrade would be graphics and I will never spend more than 470 USD on a graphics card anyways unless wages go up by the same percentage - so I will often be more GPU and not CPU bound towards the end of the upgrades lifecycle).
The option to buy a cheap CPU for an expensive mainboard is nice and sure that would make AM5 price competetive and if you end up with good upgrades from where you are thats good. I will be running my current CPU, for a long long time. A time where I will enjoy its advantage over a cheaper CPU, and in 5 years maybe I want that upgrade. At that time, we got 3-5 Intel generations further along and even if AM5 is new now at that time it is old tech - so if I want even faster NVMEs or higher frequency memory or whatever to take advantage or a new CPU at that time I would need to switch mainboard anyways.
The whole idea of buying the newest platform even if overpriced so you can upgrade later on looks a lot like opportunity cost in the stock market. You loose out on performance today to perhaps get it back in the future - but then probably you still need to buy a 200USD (European prices) CPU and you still will not be on the latest standards in use by the other components that you can buy at the time.
Not only that but HUB's data deviates strongly from everyone else the most. Very weird. Looking at all the other major sources/testers, the X3D is better than 7600x and trades blows with the 7700x. The only 2 cpus one should really consider, are the X3D and 13600K. X3D for the best priced AMD system with next gen DDR5 level performance or 13600K (better overall than 7600x pretty easily) for DDR5 systems.
AM5 only makes more sense than the 5800X3D if you're going with only 16GB memory, because then the extra memory cost is...tolerable. If you want to do something like play DCS, which likes 64GB memory, there's no way AM5 makes sense at the current mainboard and memory prices.
@@2xKTfc 16 GB is a no go anyways. Insane to spend on such a build and not go with 32. Returnal is already recommending 32 GB, and most people play a lot of games with discord, yt, or a podcast running in the background anyways.
7600x in eco mode uses MUCH less power and you only lose 2% in gaming.
@@Bachian278 This is my take as well. I honestly don't understand why they're testing sometimes medium presets and sometimes with RT. If I wouldn't know HUB, I would say games settings are cherry picked to favor 7600X.
got a 5800x3D for 270$, and a 3090ti for 600$. Both were nice upgrades over my 3700x+1080ti. Paid less to upgrade then i would have paid total for an AM5 build.
Where did you find 5800x3d for $270? Was it used?
@@emrecullu must be. the lowest 3090Ti has gone was like $900 he probably bought from a miner
@@Hobbes4ever I agree, it must be a used GPU. What about the CPU though? $270 for brand new 5800x3d?
@@emrecullu its probably possible in the US but here in EU the cheapest Ive seen was still close to 400
@@Hobbes4ever I have not seen one below $300. I got mine around $350 last week.
Thank you so much for this! You actually convinced me to go for AM5 + 7600X instead of AM4 + 5800X3D with my new PC (first upgrade since years, I'm still on i7 4790K) for 4K gaming.
With your next cpu upgrade you can buy a 3d cached mid tier to go all the way of the am5's service life
That effort you guys put into your videos is outstanding and i hope that many of us support you via patreon etc. You really deserve it.
It helped me a lot and continue to do so.
As the new AMD GPUs arrive, i think you´ll have a lot to do already but i hope you spend some time off work and have some relaxing christmas holidays. :D
Greetings from Austria (The Country without kangaroos XD).
As someone who has the 5 year old I5 7600K ( Kaby Lake) on a Z270 Motherboard , and just uses it now for Work Use.It still perform's very well for that task.I just use the integrated HD630 GPU on it as I have a Gaming laptop for gaming on.
So in my case Z690 / Z790 motherboards with say a Raptor Lake I5 13600K CPU being on a soon to be dead platform don't really concern me , because if i upgrade to it , It will in all likely do me for the next 6-7 years, as you can see from my upgrade cycle.By that time the whole CPU/Motherboard platform will have changed beyond recognition anyway.
This video is exactly what I needed. Upgrading from an i74790k on an 1150 mb so I have to start fresh, and have been torn between a good am4 board and 5800x3d or just going am5+7600x for a little more money (Like not even that much), I'm just gonna build on AM5 since it's a fresh build, thank you so much!
I had 2700X since 2018 and was considering both 7600X and 13600K, but then saw 5800X3D drop in price by 100 bucks so it was a no brainer. I wish it was faster in Cyberpunk (with crowd at high and RT enabled, there are still places - like the marketplace behind Toms Diner - where it drops framerate into 50s), but overall it is a great upgrade - it basically doubled the CPU performance and I was able to keep my other components (so I upgraded GPU instead).
Went from a 2600X and a 2060, to a 5800X3D and a 7900XT. Felt like going from a dodgy little backyard bobcat, to a massive front end loader.
Great work Steve, interesting comparison for many people building a new system from scratch. The new x3D 7000 series chips look even better then the OG 5800X3D with the same frequency as their non 3D counterparts. Some models will even have 192mb L3 cache which is pretty wild. Pricing of course will determine how successful these will be. Exciting times ahead for PC builders!
CPU - AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 8-Core
GPU - AMD RADEON RX 6750 XT 12 GB (Had a 1080) the amd card shits on it
RAM - CORSAIR 64 GB
M/BOARD - ASROCK X570 PHANTOM GAMING 4 (AM4)
It runs great, I play Ghost Recon Wildlands, Breakpoint & it plays great, at my age (75) it will do me, been using computers for years, I use to work for Commodore Australia
I am building a completely new PC and was struggling with choosing either am4 ddr4 5800x3d or am5 ddr5 7600x. Thank you for giving me clarity to now opt for AM5 with confidence. Great video, very comprehensible.
I think a regular 5800x would have been nice as comparison in there as well. Especially in the games where the X3D performed equally to the 7600x. But still a huge thank you for the comparison!
In summer For single player games, I typically keep my FPS at 60 and multiplayer at 90. in winter I sometimes increase it all to 144 if I can get that frame rate.
I see very little difference going over 60 fps but my computer runs hotter and louder at higher FPS and increases the temps in my room, which is also my office.
I see no reason to go over 144hz, even if that wasn't my monitors frequency.
I am currently running an AM4 system, but will probably be upgrading to AM5 this summer. As a content creator, I use 128gigs of ram, so updating to AM5 is a bit expensive, but my AM4 systems have served me well over the last 5 years.
I'm looking at the 5800X3D coming from the Ryzen 2600.
I've heard it brings big games in VR titles but unfortunately things like VRchat, SecondLife, and heavily modded Minecraft are ignored by reviewers.
It's clear there isn't a GPU bottleneck in these cases, but it'd be very useful to know whether memory frequency, memory timings, single threaded perf, or cache would bring the greatest gains.
Absolutely worth it for VRChat, I have a circle of friends that are all getting it. One of the staff, Tupper, also says it's the best VRC cpu in a blog post.
love your handiwork, just pulled my 1700x out and put a 5800x3d in.. and just wow.. so many new options, resizable bar option etc.. buying the x370 was the right call, many friends and colleagues went intel and are whining about motherboard prices.. i tell them what i have done.. yeah... they might listen to me next time...
Upgraded from a 3600XT to the 5800X3D on a B450 and a 3080 Ti at 1440UW. Very happy with the performance gain playing MSFS 2020 and New World.
Great content as always.
u need tp upgrade your mobo check pcie 3.0 bandwidth and 3080ti bandwidth
@@DatGamerDude For GPU, there is fark all difference from 3 to 4. For storage yes. The system will keep me going until l replace the whole thing. You take care now.
Thanks for this vid! I think I'm staying on AM4 with 5800x3d and 6800xt for now.
I said it back when the X3D launched, and it's even more true now that the chip is often on sale: if you're still on AM4, it's a no-brainer. I'm more than set to let AM5 get cheap before upgrading, perhaps with the B750 series. Of course, Intel ought to have Meteor Lake out by then, so I look forward to comparing the two.
299 on ebay now
Just upgraded to 5800x3d after it was reduced in the UK. I think if you don't get one soon at the discounted price of about £330 it'll be hard to get one as supply will begin to get low as we move into 2023. Very happy with performance and it's true about gaining FPS on some titles even while being GPU bound. I'll be sticking with Am4 maxed out for the next 5 years. There's something nice about having the best possible spec of a generation. Will keep an eye on Am5.
I agree, I am building a new computer right now and I tend to not upgrade over time. I use a PC until I need to upgrade and then build a new system and hand my old one off to my wife or the kids. I would rather use the best of the last generation that has already had everything worked out and probably use this for 3 or 4 years and move to the AM5 after it has matured.
the 5800x3d is a great Upgrade for people on the am4 chipset. It will allow people to skip this generation and rebuild on the second iteration of the am5. IMO the second iteration is going to be the best long term.
That's what i wanna do... curently i have 5600X with 7900xt..32gb 3200 ram... and 3440x1440p... cpu is botlenecking little bit in rdr2... and quite a lot in Starfield.. or cb2077 up to 75% cpu... then gpu util drops from 99 to 85% 😅 so for stable am4 socket is best buy now to buy 5800x3d for decent price and im good for another 2-3yrs.. then upgrade to solid and stable AM5?
At least one grand strategy and one factory game would be very useful addition in cpu testing. Victoria 3, crusader kings 3, stellaris and factorio, satisfactory, dyson sphere program. I imagine in these games 5800X3D is in the lead.
Very interesting data. I expect X3D is a lot stronger in simulators (MS Flight Sim, Star Citizen, X4 Foundations) but it’s impressive how strong 7600X is in other games.
I switched from 5900x to 5800x3d paired with my evga 3080 10gb, and ddr4 3600 (2x16) cl14. It's lightning fast, smoother, and pushes it to 99% now. I couldn't be happier. I can play at 4k and get very high frame rates at high and ultra settings on all my high end games. The lows are much better, and are just as important as high stable frame rates, if your on am4 already, just drop this in. It's really amazing, very very nice of AMD to do this at the end of am4. I'm getting equal or just under Intels very best processors and no ddr5 required, or new motherboard, which are still all so expensive, for almost no extra benefit to my frames, or lows...and intels is very bad on power..more than double than my 5800x3d. That's what's so crazy too. And I can totally skip over the am5 now. I can just drop in a 4090, when prices drop if my 3080 gets outdated now. But I'll be good for like 5 years on this setup now.
5800X3D is a no brainer upgrade on my 3600.
Problem is where I live, second hand is going at USD 400, and brand new at retail starts at 460.
At those prices, is it better to sit out and save for a new platform or bite the bullet and get a 5800X3D?
still better to go with 5800x3d if you only need cpu upgrade
Hmm I thought $350 for 5800x3d in my country was too much. R5 7600x is $300, but the am5 board is almost 3x of am4 boards.
Totally agree. If you have to buy new and want next gen performance I would not go AM4. The I would pay the 10% premium to go AM5 start with a 7600X now and move to Zen5 later.
But for people on AM4 I suggest them to keep and eye out of the 5600 and 5800X3D to extend their system life a few years longer (if they have a 1/2e gen or in some cases 3th Gen Ryzen now.)
Thanks for the great testing Steve! I was hoping to see Startcraft 2 in there but I can imagine it's to much of a niche to include it. I really wonder how Zen4 performs there but I expent to be faster than the X3D. The 5800X3D is quite a bit faster than the 5800X especially in custom maps with a lot of units.
that future proofing it would be as obsolete as AM4. Why? Because by the time you "need" to upg from 7600X we will have the sweet spot in DDR5 at 8000 clocks or higher. Making you need to change the RAM and Mobo as well. Platform future proof is futile at this time.
I’m building a brand new system for gaming (especially MSFS) and went with AM4 5800x3d because performance/price can’t be beat. People think too much about future upgradability when most will just replace everything after a few years.
I am planning to upgrade soon to the *Ryzen 7 5800X3D* from my old *Ryzen 5 1600,* on the MSI B350M Mortar Arctic (bought CPU & MB just a month after the official realise of the Ryzen platform in 2017).
I sidegraded from my 5800x to the 3d and it was absolutely worth it, the improved fps lows for every game are a godsend (not to mention quite many games get a max gain too). Managed to snag a brand new 3d for 380 eur (considering we have 27% vat that's not bad) and managed to sell the 5800x for 215 eur.
I made the same move when the 3D was $330 a while ago. On a 4090, the average FPS didn't change much but it was such a huge improvement in the 1% lows.
Just recently scooped a new 5800X3D for less than $300 from Amazon and WOW! It has breathed new life into my old AM4 build. I was previously using a 2700x and was getting constant stutter when trying to play TLOU Part 1 or Cyberpunk. With the upgrade I find myself getting lost in the game again and not breaking the immersion because of microstutters. Being someone who had an existing X470 build and who did not want to disassemble their computer or spend the time and money buying all new components, this was a God send.
I decided to do an AM4 build and dropped the 5800X3D into a B550 mATX board. It’s honestly incredible! I won’t need to upgrade my CPU again for at least 5 years so don’t care much about the platform longevity
I wouldn’t recommend 8 cores for 5 years 🤷🏻♂️
@@mikeramos91 I play games only dude and mostly eSports titles, I’m sure it’ll be fine 🤷♂️
@@inmypaants oh ok you should be fine. If you’re at 1080p then 8 cores will get eaten up faster
@@mikeramos91 I’m at 1440p
@@mikeramos91speeds are going to matter more first
For a new build I went with the 7600x, mobo (b650 tomahawk) and ram price do hurt, but I rest easy knowing that theres an upgrade path ahead when the next generarion o x3d cpus arrive
by the time you'll upg there will be 8000+ clocks memory, making your build to be entirely obsolete.
I love my 5800X3D. Couldn't justify the costs on upgrading the whole platform when I could just drop this chip in. For new builds totally different of course
Hi can please know what temperature are u getting when gaming and what cooler are u using. I have this cpu as well but getting hot so planning to change the cooler
@@thineshmahandran About 50-55c whilst gaming. I have a slight undervolt on it though -50mv offset in bios. The cooler is an old Raijintek Orcus 240 AIO. It's very good though which is why I've kept it
@@kennadod2080 thanks. Guess I do have to change to water cooler for this cpu.
I recently upgraded from a 3700X to a 5800X3D and from an RX480 (yes, I know...) to a 6900XT.
Aside from some really annoying driver issues that got fixed literally yesterday, it runs insanely well. And since I didn't need to buy a new Mainboard or a new PSU (got a 850W 80+ gold), it was great. I originally planned to go for the 4000 series and wait for the new X3D Models, but after I saw the AM5 and 4000 series prices I noped out of it. I got another good 3-5 years out of my system for "just" 1100 € after taxes (new cooler included) and couldn't be happier with my choice.
I'm playing at 3440x1440 btw, so I needed some oomph, but not 4K oomph.
I also created undervolting/underclocking profiles for my graphics card which save me more than 100W in less demanding games.
If you have AM4 already, go 5800X3D should be the main conclusion. Even for newbuilds it makes sense depending on your upgrade cycle or budget.
Nahh i in AM4 with 5600 , i switch to AM5 and 7600 non x AM4 is 6 years old , AM5 is future proof
Awesome review as always! I was wondering can u do a win 11 21h2 vs 22h2 and maybe add in win 10 as well for ryzen 7000
I have an Aorus master x570 board. I think upgrading to a 5800x3d from a 5600x just makes more sense for me right now along with upgrading my 6700xt. Yeah AM4 is dead but I built my Pc during the pandemic during lockdown and only use it for gaming. I think I've got a good 3-4 years left on this platform if I upgrade to x3d and a 7900 Xt or xtx for 1440 gaming.
thanks steve, great content as always.
cant wait for the 7800X3D to come and shake up these graphs, hopefully you'll get some sleep before though.
Thank you. Great video. But sadly though, AM5, DDR5, and the 6700X are a little over $300 than a nice AM4, DDR4, and 5800x3d here in Korea. I just upgraded from 1700x and x370... i hate the prices here
There's quite a few games that benefit heavily from the 3Dcache, would be interesting to see them benchmarked as well.
Definitely planning to upgrade to a 5800x3d in the next year. I would love to upgrade to the 7000 series but on AM4. May as well just get the absolute best AM4 gaming CPU and ride it out a few years.
I just bought a new system featuring a 5800X3D and I couldn't be happier. I usually never upgrade parts, but instead switching out everything so the 'dead end' upgrade path means nothing to me. However, what DOES matter to me is to not support the general insane AM5 prices. I'm voting with my wallet.
Great results, however due to platform cost I still get the 5800X3D for my new mini ITX build. As to get the Zen 4 parts I'll need to spend more than 500$ for the CPU + Mobo + RAM compared to the AM4 build. Maybe I'll upgrade to DDR5 in 2-3 years when the RAM and motherboard costs has gone down.
This is a great video! I just recently put one together of upgrading to a 5800X3D but seeing these results, and with the recent price cut AMD put to the 7600X making it now $80 cheaper than the also cut down 5800X3D, it seems like a better choice for anyone building new systems as the price of ram/mobo will likely offset the discount. But for folks still using AM4, the 5800X3D is the way to go.
yes sir. mobo prize very high
I chose 5800x3d.. If I had extra money, I would've chosen 13600kf. 7600x is obsolete xd
@@gdgd5194the speeds of the 7600x are not obsolete kiddo
@@puffyips For silly kids like yourself maybe it's not.
@@gdgd5194 that’s why the 7600x trades blows with both 5800x3d and 13600k in gaming but oh wait it has something they don’t have, an upgrade path… 😂
The Flare X5 kits are great. I grabbed two for some new builds and have been very pleased. If you don't care about having RGB right now they are one of the best values for DDR5 memory.
As for the CPUs, I own both. I love the 5800X3D!, However, I managed to get a 7600X for $200 and it is quite good considering it has a ton less cache to leverage to likely have me switch out my platforms, upgrade a family member with the 5800X3D, and then I'll be all set on AM5, until the 7000 series 3D chips launch :p
I'm gonna hold out for the 7000X3D even tho they're probably gonna cost an arm and a leg, especially since it means doing a full AM5 platform upgrade. Fingers crossed it will be worth it!
You’ll definitely be paying for an expensive upgrade, but it’s worth it
Agreed about the intro comments about the upgrade. I was already on AM4 with a 1700x. I didn't need to upgrade everything else, nor did I have the budget to do so. I also knew AM5 doesn't overtake the 5800x 3D all the time and it isn't enough to matter and say "OMG 5800X 3D SUX!". I took advantage of Black Friday, got it and updated the BIOS and plopped it in. I also have multiple PCs, thus by late AM5 I can upgrade PC1, PC2 gets an upgrade, while PC3 gets the zen 1.
Upgraded from a 3600 to the 5800x3d on my b450 tomahawk and can't be happier. Now the wait for the 7800xt begins.😊
Do you need to reinstall the windows?
My friend warn me that cpu upgrade should reinstall the windows too
@@arfianwismiga5912 No need for that. I've upgraded from R7 1700X to a newer 3800X and lastly to 5800X3D without OS reinstall. 😁 Just had to updater chipset's drivers for smoother experience.
@@arfianwismiga5912 No. All i did was reset the bios to factory defaults. Than updated the bios to the latest version to get 4 sticks of ram to work. And I undervolted it. It runs amazing. No more stuttering when gaming and watching RUclips at the same time. Now I just need to upgrade my rtx 2080 to something nice and probably red.😊
I have a 5800X3D, 7600X and a 7700X. Got a cheap motherboard and cheap DDR5 on Black Friday to get started.
So it seems it depends on if the CPU load is dependent on speed or memory on which is better. The AM5 3D is going to be a BEAST.
The point here, is what I just did. I had an existing AM4 platform with 32GB of memory on an X470 board. The X3D was a plug in upgrade with zero additional costs, whereas the 7600 would have been a full platform upgrade with board and memory. That stacked the odds towards the X3D pretty heavily. The X3D will last me several years before it falls below a good level. I can stick with looking at GPU prices and sobbing now until maybe 2025 or so.
Edit: Given that upgrade scenario, the X3D upgrade cost HALF what it'd cost to go from 3600 to 7600x, and given it's a competitive performer, that's a massive cost/frame win for those already on AM4.
As many are saying in the comments if you already have the board the x3d is a sweet upgrade. I am looking forward to getting one to replace my 5600x next year. If building new go 7600x. Either way it's great to have such choice and not even need to think Intel.
I doubt it's smart. I did same with 2600x and b450. By the time my plan came and 5600x was ready to be bought, mobo already had defects. I still upgraded and it felt like wasted money :D Ended up selling whole system and bought new PC with 5800x3d. 7600x is definitely the worst choice possible for anyone who upgrades rarely.
I was able to pick up a 5800x3d at micro center for $310 and I am happy with it and hope to get a few more years out of it.
I upgraded to a x3d from 5600x two weeks ago, with selling the 5600x the upgrade was like 150 bucks.
A week later Asus unlocked 5800x3d curve Optimizer on most b550 boards which is nice too.
The games i play see huge bump in performance for the x3d.
Saw a 40% boost in min fps from 65 to 90 in vr which makes a huge difference.
With the 5800x3d on Amazon in the UK for £265 I changed my mind on the AM5 move (been stuck with a 3600 + 3080).
I now can sit tight and wait for the next AMD releases instead of dropping around £500 just to get on the minimum end of AM5
The 5800X3D is definitely best as a drop in upgrade for existing AM4 systems. As a new build, you may as well jump to AM5 now, or saving up until the motherboard prices stop being so overpriced.
Excited for r5 5600x3d
Im content with my 5800x for now. Im actually going to hold my CPU for longer than 1 year this time. I want the DDR5, PCIE Gen 5, And X670/Z790 (and onward of course) market to get a bit more saturated before switching.
I bought the cheap Ryzen 5 4500 for $100 delivered to my door but I've been holding back my 6800. It's time to upgrade to the 5800X3D to enjoy the most of of it before I get the 7900XTX in little while...
Thanks for the vid steve. 5800x3d owner here. My first AMD build roughly 6 months ago. Upgraded from 7700k gtx1080ti & loving it! ROG strix x570 mobo, EVGA RTX3090, Gskill trident z neo 32gb. Will upgrade to 7800x3d when it's released.
Hello Hardware unboxed, do you think the 5800X3D is a good choice with cheaper gpu such as a 3070/3080 ?
I’m looking to build my first PC. I am really looking forward to the x3d models coming out for Ryzen 7000s series. I’m willing to spend a little bit more for the platform longevity and the huge performance bump from the x3d architecture.
For those that have an AM4 platform, I would just purchase the 5800x3d. It’s the best gaming cpu, and you don’t need to spend so much on buying a new motherboard.
I would like to see if 3D vcache also benefits lower end GPUs or is it more beneficial for higher tier GPUs. Would really love to see this tested
I would love to see a 13600K comparison. I’ve just done a budget build and went LGA1700 just because I thought I could squeeze a little more out of the platform than AM4, but would be interested to see. Based on your 13600K Vs 7600 video, I’m guessing 13600K is same as 5800X3D
Brilliant work as always, Steve. 👏🏼
As of right now with my current budget I've been debating getting either (Current CPU is I5 7500 so either one is amazing to upgrade to) been planning to get either the X3D or the 7600. So this video is a good summary of the difference as the only main cons I see on AM5 is expensive ram that ain't fully optimized yet. And that's basically it
Upgraded from the 1600X on a B350 Tomahawk motherboard to the 5800X3D, and the performance gains are amazing. Truly a great upgrade for existing AM4 owners
most effective use of the AM4 platform longevity. Well done.
I'm considering doing that with AM5. Buy a 7000 chip (once the X3D models are out) and keep it until AM6 comes along and I can upgrade to the best AM5 CPU for relatively cheap then.
@@Hugh_I Thank you. I was originally planning to completely rebuild my pc as it's 5 years old, but seeing how the prices for new components are not letting up as much as I thought, I made the decision to prolong my current build with a 5800X3D. I also wanted to upgrade to the upcoming Ryzen 7000X3D parts, but maybe I'll wait just a bit longer as well. Now that I'm getting nearly double fps on everything, I can keep at it some more.
So glad I decided to go with the 5800X3D. For me upgrading to AM5 with a new CPU + RAM + motherboard would have been twice as expensive as just getting the 5800X3D + two sticks of DDR4 RAM.
Agree. There is a 300 EUR difference between AM5 / AM4 for similar CPU /RAM/Motherboard (AM4 is about 400 EUR in total).
In my opinion, none of those CPUs are "good value", let me explain. The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is priced at ~380$ whilst the Ryzen 5 7600X is priced at ~250$. The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is a lot faster in some games and a lot slower in a most games in the benchmark, not to mention being a lot slower at workstation purposes. Even though the 7600X is at 249$, motherboard prices and RAM prices are still sky high, 159$(lowest) and 35$ for 8GB at its lowest, respectively. A Core i7-13700K(440$), Ryzen 9 5900X(349$), Ryzen 9 5950X(499$) or a Ryzen 7 7700X(higher platform cost)(349$) would be a better buy if you need it for workstation purposes and willing to spend a little bit more or just get a non-3d 5800X(239$) if you want a balanced CPU for gaming and workstation. A Core i5-13600K(320$) or a Core i5-12600K(250$) will be better even slower thanks to it lower platform cost. Furthermore, while these CPUs are not "good value" they're still good chips that is recommendable. And also, the upcoming 7000X3D chips could be way better than the 5800X3D at a price.
It's the perfect upgrade for people already on the am4 platform that are planning to ride it out. I've never seen a CPU that held up to a next gen part so well. Pretty great value if you ask me.
Such a shame none of the tech reviews ever put flight sims into their testing. MSFS, XP12, DCS.. all of these would have been interesting to see results of as they are CPU intensive particularly in multi player environments.
The 5800x3d is really tempting as a 3700x owner especially with the price drop.
Yeah, I'd be all over it if I had a decent AM4 board.
@@Hardwareunboxed should I upgrade from a 5800x or just hold out until a few generations?
I'd probably hold out if I had a 5800X, but I guess it depends on how much you can sell that thing for.
@@Hardwareunboxed Would you ever put a 5800X3D on a B450 TOMAHAWK MAX? I might grab this CPU the next time there's a huge drop in price but i'm not sure about putting it into this board...
@@GentlyUsedFrog Copy pasta "5800X3D on a B450 TOMAHAWK MAX" for some answers.
I had budgeted for a new AM5 7700X build, but after 7000 and 40 series launches, I initially ordered then canceled and decided to wait and finally just got annoyed and ordered a $340 5800x3D and a $699 6950 XT for my current AM4 Rig (B450 Tomahawk Max / 32GB DDR4 3200 CL16). Gaming at 1440p I think I will be happy for a little while longer. Plus I got COH 3 free, which I was going to buy anyway. Saved about $1500 over the build I had spec'd out. I'll take the 3% hit.
As much a I appreciate using a 4090 to avoid GPU throttling who can afford that card, how is this applicable to 99% of users. It isn't. It would be a lot more useful to use a video card like a 3070 or such to reflect how little difference there is between these CPUs for 99% of people, and at that rate they'd probably be served just as well by a much cheaper and more power efficient 5600. Sometimes I wonder if reviewers just get jaded having all that fancy hardware available to them and forget about the vast majority of regular users. You're doing the CPU justice by using a super expensive gpu, but not the user.
They did it to not have any gpu bottleneck to show the differen es between the cpu. If they used lesser gpus then the gpu would bottleneck and the fps wont change no matter what cpu you have
I would take the 5800x3d over the 7600. Due to the cache, 5800x3d will have fewer stutters. Now the 7800x3d is the one to compare but the issue with burn downs and MB issues caused me to pause on this one. Just wait till DDR6 MBs and sit out this round.
the 5800X3D is actually a decent match for the RTX 4080. In most games if you're running at 1440p or higher the CPU bottleneck won't be too great in most cases
Now the only thing left is PBO undervolting on all Boards for the 5800x3d and I'm fully satisfied.
Thanks for this awesome comparison! We were quite lucky with black Friday sales here in Germany! B650 gaming x = 184€ ; 7600x = 269€ ; 16GB 5600CL36 Kingston Hynix = 83€ (2x). Comparing this with only 1 stick vs my 2x8GB build with 10600k+Z490 gaming X, I paid 3% more (with inflation I paid less!) and I'm seeing 140-200% the fps!
The Kingston 5600+ ram seems to always be sk hynix and easily runs 6000CL30 for a bargain!