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I noticed that the 13400F and the 13500, what you would think are the 7600s two natural competitors, are missing from the charts. Are there any plans to include these in benchmarks in the future? Especially considering their core increases over the last gen?
I truly think the price of the AM5 CPU has nothing to do with the poor sales. It's mostly the MB and RAM and well everything else overpriced to get an AM5 system. You can spend 50% on an AM4 system and get 90%+ of the performance. Once the MB and RAM come down in price to something reasonable they will start selling AM5 CPU at record numbers. It's that simple.
@@BlackJesus8463 that would be right if it's only $100 again that's just the price of the CPU. You are talking a minimum of $350 if you include the MB and RAM. If you buy any quality you are talking $500+ easily if not more. Those are the things stopping people from getting AM5 and not the price of the CPU. AM4 = 50% cost with 90%+ the performance of AM5. Until those prices of the MB and RAM come down you are only buying AM5 if money to value doesn't matter right now. In a year it will be different.
I mean, what you are describing is the total system cost, of which the CPU is a part. So, if you drop the price of the CPU, you make the total system cost a bit more reasonable. Add to that the fact that you can find reasonably-priced DDR5 now (at least in the US you can), and really the only thing that is probably $50-100 overpriced is the motherboard. If you drop the CPU price by $60 (just comparing MSRPs here for the sake of this example), you offset some of that motherboard cost and make the price to adopt the new platform much more palatable.
Biggest problem is the current price for mainboards. I mean back when I bought a new CPU for like 250$ you still only had to pay around 80$ for a decent motherboard. Currently you can only expect double the price for the same spec motherboard and pretty expensive DDR5 RAM. So AM4 is still a better pick sometimes.
production costs are stupid high right now and i think a little bit comes from manufactures learning from am4 with how long the 300 series boards lasted through multiple generations making upgrading boards less important. with how much boards on the AMD side have improved vs when the 300 series launched it's likely the 600 series boards will survive through how ever many generations of cpu's are launched on am5.
at least with CPUs at this price point when the motherboards drop in price it'll be an easy choice instead of then switching to "motherboards are now well priced, but I'd prefer it if the CPUs got cheaper"
I appreciate GN putting the "expertise meter" before all videos like this. While years of experience don't always mean better quality reviews and content, that is the general trend. It adds a lot to credibility.
@@GamersNexus I think this is the most important aspect of it. Letting people know when you have less experience, too. I imagine it'd be too easy to get away with only showing the higher ones. Props to the consistency and transparency.
“This quote is phenomenally stupid in so many ways” This is why I love this channel. No sugarcoating and straight to the point data Also your coasters are sick
That quote is actually one of the few gripes I have with this videos. TDP and power consumption are completely correlated. There's no other way that I'm aware of for a CPU to dissipate power than thermally. Do your CPUs glow or send out infrared waves? Mine neither. Cooling solutions are completely irrelevant here. Power in, power out, physics.
really respect how you're endlessly looking out for the consumer, even to the point of starting with the cheapest and most mass-market appealing cpu of this launch
not to mention for us Europeans that was hit hard by the US gov money printing decisions.. 7-8 Swedish crowns used to buy a USD, we've been over 11,50 September to November..that's on top of 10-15% inflation rates 😢
@@NirreFirre I told people when they were getting their stimulus checks that it was going to cost them 10x as much in the long run. They didn't care, of course, not like the govt would have stopped printing money even if the people rejected the checks. Making people poor is the goal, easier to control that way.
Gonna sound weird... Lighting on this updated set looks a lot better than the previous videos! Not saying that the previous videos were poorly lit; just that this one stands out much more.
The commentary around TDP shenanigans is my biggest takeaway from this video--thank you Steve and team for the education as always. As a non-engineer and enthusiast-but-somewhat-stupid participant in computing and gadgets, I always assumed you could estimate the amount of wattage from TDP. (So many videos I see out there about the Steam Deck and handheld computing devices, which talk about TDP, use 15W TDP as a base to estimate battery life, before adding on the screen and fan consumption.)
The whole power figures need some clearing up, but I also feel like GN has a misconception about TDP. TDP absolutely is power, power comes in many different ways, you can have mechanical power (engine of your car), electrical power (what powers electrical devices), thermal power (transfer of heat from one body to another) and many more. 65W TDP is a number aimed at cooler manufacturers, that they should be expecting to design coolers that can dissipate 65W of heat. So any 65W TDP chip should be able to be cooled sufficiently by the same cooler, no matter what the actual power draw of the chip is. The TDP number will always be lower than the max power draw, for various reasons: Not the entire heat needs to be dissipated by the cooler, some heat from the CPU gets transferred to the motherboard or removed by other means. Also components have a thermal capacity, so if you're having short power spikes, being able to only remove a part of the spike instantaneously is viable, as long as the average heat generated is also removed within a reasonable timeframe. And lastly, safe operating temperatures are increasing, which basically increases the effectiveness of coolers, so a cooler designed for a lower TDP can still cool a higher powered chip if it is allowed to reach higher temperatures. Even a stock intel cooler could dissipate 500W if the temperature difference is big enough.
Yep. While I agree with @GamersNexus that it could be nice to have a comparable electrical power consumption number across brands, I don't think TDP (THERMAL design power) should be tied to Intel's definition (as in electrical power consumed).
These PC tech channels are invaluable to consumers. I wish this stuff existed when I was younger, building PC's in the early 2000's. Back then, you were just listening to some old man in a PC parts store, and hoping they weren't lying or exaggerating, then going to another store and comparing prices, lol.
early 2000s ? You had internet back then, benchmarks etc, in 90s it was different, but you had magazines and parts and price listings as advertisements. You would get a sharpie, select the stuff you want from the list, and go to a store and ask for the price, and then do it with another store. ARguably early 2000s were best times for building PCs, prices were reasonable, AMD and Intel compeition was good, GPUs did not require 2nd mortgage.
I was a teen in 2000's and I had access to internet. Even cutting that out if I wanted to get best bang for my money - I go to the PC store and get a magazine first, which had most if not all necessary information. TL;DR - you tried to compliment them but immediately failed. Sad. EDIT: If Gamers Nexus started posting their reviews on TikTok (in shortened version, obviously) - would you prefer TikTok review from GN compared to RUclips version of the same review?
@@JIAroJIy4 No Google (RUclips) already knows a lot about me and what I like. Not interested in giving the Chinese government my info too. Also, loads of tiktok shorts end up on youtube anyways😅
Mercado de GPU sea más peor que fue a perder siempre pero mercado de CPU sea más mucho mejor que cualquier Porque CPU monstruo si se puede usar 1 wats singifica más rápido de intel que cualquier todos de AMD? Posible dice ese intel tiene más rápido de energía que cualquier AMD no alcanza nunca más complicado
literally NOT ONE current gen GPU for under 1k makes RX 6800 cards for 500-600€ a good deal. Its that bad... I hope that they will come out in 2023 with a 7700 sku in the 400-500$ range and a decent 7600 and 7500 lineup thats not inflated ewaste
Great video as always Steve. I would like to request one new chart(s) if possible for future cpu reviews. As you mentioned, gaming rarely maxes out cpu's but Id love to see the average watts per frame across some of your standard games to see gaming efficiency. Even though the 13600k clearly blows past the 7600 when looking at max wattage, Id love to see the actual wattage pulled when gaming and compare wattage to framerate.
The camera quality and production quality has dramatically increased. I started watching your videos maybe 10 months ago. I stopped watching tech videos almost 9 years ago or so. After watching your videos while upgrading my PC, I sparked my interest in tech again. Thank you team. There are numerous videos I've watched and glad I did. Not vid is right up my alley, but watching them has never felt like a waste of time.
@@twincitiesberrycompany8723 they promised that months ago but B boards are all like 150+. Doesn't matter to me anyways, im going 13th gen so i can get 5 more years out of my 32GB DDR4.
@@eclipsegst9419 that's a great option. I'll probably go Intel as well this time if I upgrade. But either way I'm thankful both 'colors' exist because the mere competitive presence of the other helps with with price (and development) of my current ecosystem
@@twincitiesberrycompany8723 for sure. I just had a zen2 previously. In this case the savings is more if I keep ddr4 and go back to blue again. But I hope they keep one-upping each other! We have gotten more per-core-performance gains in the last 3 years as we did the 10 before!
Thanks for showing the Warhammer 3 chart, it's still helpful for us newbies or convince our friends why they don't need to spend more money on a certain CPU when they play certain games. Still useful! I wouldn't mind you guys showing us at least 1 game or scenario when there's a bottleneck elsewhere as it helps people like me understand more aspects.
Don't forget the point that slide makes isn't just 'certain games', it's certain settings and other components becoming bottlenecks. You'll see for CPU testing all games are benchmarked at 1080p with a high grade GPU, this is to force the CPU to be the bottleneck so you can see the relative performance difference. If you had a lower spec GPU or ran at a higher resolution, the differences between CPU would likely be marginal (like the Warhammer results) as the GPU starts to become the bottleneck.
Based on this review, it tells us to buy Intel CPU & Nvidia GPU only. It's easy for you to advise your friends. If AMD CPU let say is 5% - 9% or even 30% slower than Intel in Adobe Premier, by his review it makes AMD CPUs is unable to run that applications. So just spend more money to Intel & Nvidia, No.1 CPU & GPU brands in the world. No need to get headache in making a decision. 🤣🤣🤣
It's pretty impressive to see the 7600 so frequently match or come very close to the 5800X. That's a $230 CPU matching a $450 (MSRP at launch) CPU just one generation later while losing 2c/4t and using around 2/3 the power.
@Jaggsta I just checked the HUB video and as they say the 7600 was working as expected and wasn't throttling. So it seems like it doesn't matter if it's running at 95c since it is still performing fine.
@@PepRex Sure, newer should be better. I am just commenting on how much of a jump there was because I am used to either more modest performance gains or for them to come at a huge power cost.
@@PepRex Sometimes newer is just rebranded older. Sometimes they even call two different things by the same name and it has happened more than a few times within the last 2 years. That's why you don't be fanboi and you don't go by branding.
My current rig started life with a 3600 which I then upgraded 6 months ago to a 5800x3D. If I was to build a mid-range rig today I would absolutely go for the AM5 platform, being able to upgrade later on by swapping just the CPU is really nice (less ewaste, quick upgrade with no need to reinstall... and cheaper than swapping both mboard and CPU).
Hi GN - long-time viewer, never commenter. I know you value feedback and read comments: I found the new set background distracting. The moving/sharp transitions of the monitors distracted me. I prefer to be able to focus on the speaker. I think the new set can still work, but consider putting more static images up.
I used the R5 7600 in my build a few weeks ago and have been nothing but happy with the way it performs. One thing I have to say is that if you do go with this CPU, absolutely run the curve optimizer in Ryzen Master. Running Cinebench R23 With PBO enabled, my 7600 was running at 81C at 4.9ghz all cores, and was at its power limit using a Thermalright Peerless Assassin cooler. I set the curve optimizer to "per core" and left the default -30mV offset in place. After it was done, it applied the maximum -30mV offset to all cores. I ran it again, this time with a -40mV offset, hoping to find the undervolting limit of this CPU, it set all of the cores to the limit again. With the -40mV curve applied in the BIOS, temps are now 65C at 5.1ghz on all cores, and it was using 15W less power. I also gained around 300 points in Cinebench. I could push it farther with a -60mV offset or up the boost frequency but I really don't see the need.
Good to know! I just updated to am5 and Im still running the stock cooler. hits 90 with pbo stress testing but never above 80 when playing starfield at 1080 high 50-70fps (2070s, dlss 67%). Still getting a cooler tho, deciding between a thermalright aqua elite or phantom spirit.
@@PDJ13514 phantom spirit 120SE the reviews were just incredible. ruclips.net/video/iaJBsQPqxRA/видео.html for a $35usd cooler. ram clearance is VERY tight so if you have any sort of tall or fancy ram you will lose some performance. the non SE version is taller for more ram clearance, but is too tall for my mid tower.
The deal from micro center with a 32 GB DDR 6000 kit of RAM and a purchase of a 7700X still makes it pretty viable option for those can do the in-store pickup. I believe it also includes $20 off select motherboards as well
@@gizengar111 I kept mine. It was g.skill g. skill f5-60003636f16gx2-fx5. not amazing but I'd rather throw that extra money on top of my sold 6900xy for a 4090. These AM5 boot-ups though... Oof. I can learn a different language faster.
I was sure last year would end badly for me but I think Amazons AM2023X is spot on with what they do and how they do it. Can't say for how long it's going to work and for sure it is overyhped right now but even for half a year or something it would be smart to ride the wave and then jump away eventually but the thing is why this is smart right now is because it's so cheap, won't ever find a better entry than now
This is exactly the video I've been waiting for and I'm also looking forward to the new 3d v cache benchmarks. I still run a 2600x and have been struggling to determine whether I should upgrade my existing build to a 5800x (or x3d) or build a completely new setup. Definitely leaning more towards a complete rebuild later this year for future proofing after seeing the 7600 performance being nearly double that of my existing setup and comparable to the 5800x3d at 1080p.
True but don't forget that may not be your actual performance if you have a good gpu and play at +1440p , as the gpu is more likely to be the bottleneck , so they may as well have the same performance in many cases in which case just go with what's cheaper
@@lynackhilou4865 This depends heavily on what exactly he is playing. If you are playing games like heavily modded rimworld, factorio, Dwarf Fortress, Space Engineers, Stellaris and so on... no the GPU is most probably NOT the problem if you have at least a current mid-class model for games like Space Engineers. Its CPU and RAM here... and the X3D Processors handle these games pretty well from what I did see, so I am also very much curious about the new generation of X3D ;-)
The whole point of buying amd for "future proofing" is to do drop-in upgrades. You have the chance to do just that by just swapping out your 2600x for the 5800x3d. If you don't take advantage of drop-in upgrades you're losing a lot of money for no reason
@@sage4670 this is a really cheap build I threw together with what I could a few years ago. Unfortunately if I were to upgrade the CPU, I would want to upgrade almost every component. At that point I'd just like to build something for a little extra with the intent on small, slow upgrades and repurpose what I have. It was never intended to be future proof, just needed to work. Fortunately I'm not short on any ideas for what to repurpose it for.
@@Dark1984Knight that is true , however a lot of other games are more gpu dependent, and since these tests are generally done at 1080p with high or medium settings using a 4090 , the actual gain in performance might be minimal for some when upgrading
The power consumption is interesting as you show the maximum draw under load which makes sense. There is a lot of discussion starting to happen regarding idle power draw as some Ryzen processors won’t go as low as Intel processors when idling meaning the life time power cost might be worse on Ryzen vs Intel. Is this worth investigating?
Would be interesting if you added Playstation 3 emulation to your CPU benchmarks, the cpu utilisation when emulating games like Metal Gear Solid 4 is pretty insane.
Appreciate all the hard work boiling it all down to something digestible - Gog knows how long it took to go through all the testing, let alone the analysis.
I'm glad that the Zen+ CPUs like the 2600 and 2700 are still featured in these charts. When I still had my 2600, I had it manually OC'ed (since it did not support PBO) to 4.1Ghz all-core @ 1.31v and it was able to slightly surpass my friend's stock 2700x in single core performance. Now I'm using the 5600, since it was a drop-in replacement using my existing b450 tomahawk mobo. I have it configured with a -10 offset, 10x scalar, and +200Mhz with PBO, which puts it at 4.6Ghz @ ~1.24v and single-core performance that's identical to most of the x-SKU Zen3 CPUs. Meanwhile, multi-core performance sits between the 2700x and 3700x. Temps are also fairly decent by not going beyond 70-75c at full load using a Wraith Prism cooler, since it's not pushing beyond the ~88w total power draw to achieve the PBO OC. As you guys (as well as many others) have emphasized, the non-x SKUs generally offer much better value for performance overall, and honestly it's really not that difficult or time consuming to tweak the OC settings accordingly.
Thanks for the video GN. I just have one question, why are the 5900X and 5950X not featured in your benchmarks? I would love to see how those CPU's performance match up with other CPU's in a chart like this. Cheers!
because they still perform very good and are better value for the buck than new stuf. and if you see all that in charts, you won't buy new for more. just marketing
As someone who lives in California and wants the best bang for my buck gaming performance while keeping things cool during the summer months the non X or even X in Eco mode are a no brainer.
Lighting and/or color grading are greatly improved. Good work. Maybe chill out on the background screens - maybe have slow-mo footage, smooth loops... It's much more dynamic than Steve in a way that is distracting.
I'm exactly what you described at the 9 minute mark. Totally new at this so I really appreciate the explanation. Been watching this channel a lot lately and learning, I'm going to build ($2500 budget) my first system this year. Thank you.
I think the real comparison point will be between this non-X 7600 and the recently released Intel non-K chips 13400 and 13500. Hopefully we get reviews on those Intel chips later because they're around the same price and have so much value attached to them ($230ish for 14 cores is nothing to sneeze at if your workload can use them).
As someone who was just about to upgrade their SFF build to a 5700X, the 7700 is definitely the way I'll be going (plus it's an excuse to get an all-new platform and shiny new things)
For anyone who wants to upgrade and is not coming from AM4 (like me coming from a i7 6700, 2133mhz ddr4 ram and stock cooler)...There's a crazy 7600 + msi b650 mobo combo going in newegg right now for just 325 dollars. That combined with a sp zenith 32gb 5600mhz ddr5 ram kit (97$) and a top tier cheap air cooler like the thermalright pa120 (40~$) se goes for around 460 dollars us total (without taxes). A 5800x3d + new mobo + new ddr4 ram + new cooler would be more expensive, less future proof and less power efficient.
If the rumors that 7000X3D will have a larger uplift over the regular 7000 than 5000X3D had over regular 5000 (iow, a >15% uplift) are true, the 7800X3D is going to be a gaming _monster._
@@alouisschafer7212 I think that will depend on 1) Zen 4 sales to date, 2) Intel's competitiveness at the time of release, and 3) the price of the platform. AMD has been selling Zen 4 for cheap recently to try to convince people to buy it since mobo makers are keeping prices high.
would you guys ever consider updating your website with compiled charts of the benchmarks you've done? the in-depth reviews are obviously the best way to get the most complete picture and context for a part, and the journalism you do there is always great. but for someone like me who's on a very fixed budget and going many years between upgrades, and is likely going to be considering offerings in the last generation or two over bleeding-edge more expensive parts, it tends to be impractical to dig through the last 2 years of videos on the channel scrubbing through to try to find a chart with direct comparisons for all the parts up for consideration, to get an idea of what difference i'll see and what value they have based on current prices. and the conclusions drawn in launch reviews for the specific parts themselves produced in one context might not always be up-to-date with the current market, what was once a good value might now be poor if prices haven't fallen and better options have popped up, or a part that wasn't worth it at launch might have dropped enough in price to now make sense for someone who's just looking for "within my price range in the current market, what's going to give me the most Bangs Per Buck" having easy access to some direct comparative numbers from a trustworthy rigorous source would be a huge boon. and having another reliable quick source in the space would help make it more difficult for unsuspecting shoppers who just want to know "what thing have best number" to wind up unwittingly getting all their information from certain unscrupulous benchmark sites basing scores and reviews on "birthday of CEO" and "Revenue-Adjusted Vibe Check" and "how mean i perceive people being to me for dispensing complete nonsense disinformation" speaking from my own experience, late last year i was shopping for an upgrade from a hand-me-down 970 on its last legs, and looking in the 3600-3800 range. i looked through a lot of your videos trying to find some decent comparisons but it was difficult to find charts that had all those options side-by-side at once. in particular the 👔variants tended to not make a lot of the charts, so it was hard to put together an apples-to-apples comparison in Frames Per Dollar for any one game or application. and now with more GPU headroom, my 9600k is starting to bump up against its ceiling more often in certain uses, so it's starting to make more sense to consider an upgrade sometime. but none of the 9000-gen intel cpus are recent enough to land on any of the charts in this video, so in your more recent vids i can't get context for how much of an uplift even the lowest-end entries in these benchmarks would be there are a lot of benchmark sites out there, some more questionable than others, that can wind up reaching very different conclusions based on what tests and methodologies they use. but having another source in the mix that i know has been doing this kind of testing for years and is open and transparent about their methodology and not beholden to any particular brand or limited to one piece of testing software would be a great help. i know you guys might be reluctant to just list up charts or databases of all your benchmarks because it could encourage people to base their entire perception of a part on one number instead of seeking the full context from the in-depth reviews, but i would consider that: people are already doing that anyway. the fact that userbenchmark is still going and in the top results for any benchmark google search despite being the laughing stock of the tech world is evidence of that. if some people are always going to walk up grab the free sample and leave rather than sitting down for the full-course meal, then putting your offerings up and making them easier to access and browse would at least help steer more people away from eating poison anyway, sorry for the long-winded ramble. i know there might be any number of reasons why y'all can't or won't do this, from the time and work not making financial sense to not wanting to become A Benchmark Website, so i'm not holding my breath. but i figured i'd let you know that the interest is at least there somewhere out in the world. you guys are doing great work with consumer-focused unbiased reviews and keeping tech companies accountable, so thank you and keep it up!
I think you'll see the X parts go back up, the retailers were dropping price to match demand - now with the non-X's out, the retailers are likely going to stop trying to take an "L" on the CPU to push the motherboards/DDR5 packages, which is their primary goal since, as it's a new platform, you literally MUST buy the CPU with the mobo.
Thanks for the great review, I'd really appreciate it if you guys made a definitive video on comparing DDR5 vs DDR4 performance on intel 13th Gen and put it against Zen 4. It would help greatly to know if taking the leap is justified by a visible boost to performance.
Hardware Unboxed did some benchmarks comparing DDR4/DDR5 recently. It heavily depends on workload and game how much of a difference it makes, but when it does it can be quite significant. Their takeaway was that DDR5 was becoming worth it with the prices coming down: ruclips.net/video/omumzW1AtGE/видео.html
Sadly for gaming I think if you own an AM4 motherboard its best to go with the 5800X3D because yes you can get some AM5 motherboards new for $220-$280 but the ram cost is also not unaffordable but around 50%+ more expensive for DDR5. I have an AM4 motherboard and a 3700x I'd have to spend $230 plus at least $80 in DDR5 ram for 16GB then another $250ish for a motherboard compared to just $350 for a 5800X3D. I know my parts have resell value but it goes down a lot especially for a used 3700x and a basic B450M motherboard and only 16GB 3000 Ram. Are they gonna make an AM5 X3D that's much better than the AM4 one of that's possible?
Off-topic: While I love the multiple-layered screens in the background, the stuff playing in them is kinda *distracting* (would prefer a "GN logo" or "still images" displayed on them instead).
Would it be useful to show some idling power/behavior as well with CPUs/GPUs? Most people don't use their CPU/GPUs at 100% all the time and these efficiency numbers may be skewed for most use cases (unless you're running a server farm). It does look like Intel is aiming for a very efficient idle/low workload but less efficient burst/max loads. Honestly, it may be a better approach overall given how people use their computers. I mean when we measure fuel efficiency, we don't do it at the max speed.
I recently built a PC with the AMD R7 5800X3d and a 3060TI Went for a solid mid range rig. Really happy with it. Watching this video I feel i picked a good CPU.
@@unclesam8565 i try and do my homework. I have been really happy with this build. I actually had Jayz 2cents build my last computer back in 2014 he did a video on it. I wanted to replace that and build this one myself, not the first time and went for a $2500 budget. I am happy, was fun to build too :)
@@boxerdog5979 It's good you had fun, that's all what matters. And 3060 Ti is good, even if AMD GPUs are good with the gaming it is impossible to do any other work besides gaming with them.
@@randomguy_069 I own a business and have 7 pcs there for work. this is my home computer for gaming and streaming. I try not to work at home. key word "try" lol
Damn, Pc building is looking bright this year! We have value cpus coming in, many cheap cooler options, motherboards are a bit pricy but hopefully AMD delivers on its promise for entry level AM5 boards, dd5 ram is steadily decreasing and DDR4 ram has incredible value for last gen builds, and even Nvme SSds get great discounts here and there. Theres absolutely nothing that would ruin PC building with the great direction that things are going! "Remembers about the GPU market", oh..... right I forgot about you.
I bought a 3700x three years ago, thinking I'd be upgrading my GPU soon. Now my CPU is somewhere at the bottom of your charts, and I'm still running my 1060. I wouldn't have believed you if you told me that CPUs would be getting so much faster in such a short amount of time back then.
21:08 "But it's the X version that's better! Then they go I don't know what any of that means, here's money Gaming Computer Man." had me dying laughing.
Yes, the gains stop after 8 core not 6 now. Go and check any comparison video with modern titles. Everything 8 core and above is the ceiling, its not 6 anymore.
I'd still get the 65W part, even at the same price. It's more efficient and more money in your pocket each month, no need for a big cooler and even comes with one. Even the boards to run it will not need costly power delivery vs X. Yet, with no sub $100 boards or ($200 where I live), they could be very well selling it for $150 and still be on the expensive side.
I continue to enjoy your channel and reviews over the others. I like your no-nonsense way of doing things. I would like to see Intel's 13th gen show up in your charts with an "eco" mode as well as they are fairly power effiecient when power capped.
Would have been nice to see this alongside the 5900X specifically, because I've been seeing them around $320-340, which gets even cheaper across the build including more RAM that doesn't run THAT much faster than first-gen DDR5 anyway.
Really would like to see the 5900X in these comparisons as the price was and is pretty good right now. I can guess where it would sit in these charts but it would be nice to see there and know the results
Greatest quote of recent times "..... Watts don't equal watts....." 🤣🤣 Great to see you smiling too Steve, the last few months of BS GPUs have been a strain in the industry for sure! Have a good new year and keep up the great work!
Gotta say, until they release sub-150 dollar motherboards it doesn't really matter how cheap the CPUs are. This CPU would be a good deal, if it wasn't the fact you could get a 12600K//Z690/DDR4 for less or a 13600K/Z690/DDR4 for about the same price.
Problem with the 13600k and DDR4 route is that it has no upgrade path. If someone is only upgrading their entire system every five years then maybe it wouldn't matter. But even then, DDR5 will start to scale ahead in the coming years just as DDR4 did. If I were building a midrange system now, I'd probably go 7600 or 7700 and DDR5, or 13600K and DDR5 if I needed better multithreaded performance. That means I can at least keep my RAM for my upgrade from a 13600k. If I were building a budget system I'd go 5600 or a 12100. I wouldn't combine DDR4 with midrange processors unless I already had DDR4 to use.
@@angrygoldfish no creo porque fans de AMD son puro mentira, quiero decirte que no hay ningún problema, ese intel si tiene muchos actualizaciones de todos cualquier y CPU es que usar todos compatibles cualquier y AMD no? Te digo que no hay ningún actualizaciones, creo que actualizaciones de AMD es más gran problema sobre sonido, video feo, gráfico, muy rápido menos de rendimiento? Porque tu no informadas uno de los mayoría problema para AMD? Tu eres puro fan de AMD maldita? Todos fans de intel ya saben que no hay ningún problema por intel? La verdad no entendiste ? Ese Intel si tiene que usar actualizaciones full, compatibles full, oculto de energía wats de más rápido que cualquier menos de AMD? Lo siento lo siento mucho que poco me interesa a AMD menos
@@angrygoldfish ur old board worth almost nothing. Getting a new board that match to old board performance is like $100. Besides. U getting intel now, the gain is probably bigger than the board cost.
@Grumpy Grey Yeah, that's true. But B650 should last through Zen 6 all being well, so a B650 motherboard should be a drop in replacement for new technology. If those processors dramatically increase performance again, an AM5 board will allow that. Maybe that's why B650 is so stupidly expensive; because it will have to run future processors that AMD predict will push demands higher. But still, you're right. Many will want a new motherboard anyway so why not just get the best value system now and again 3-4 years from now.
The state of motherboard pricing is surprising, given it's a much more competitive market than CPUs are. You'd think someone would see the opportunity in a solid barebones $80 B650 board.
Too late from AMD, for me. When the 7000X's prices (and AM5 MB prices) were announced back in Sept, I decided to upgrade my Ryzen 3600 to a 5900X (on sale) and wait a few years before upgrading again.
Steve, why did you guys stop doing CPU temps? It's not really time-consuming to do since you already have them installed in the system to do those benchmarks. I always end up having to look for other reviews just to see some numbers. I rather get everything from GN since you're my go-to tech channel and have been for many years. Using the same cooler across all those CPUs will give consumers an idea about which CPU runs hotter and so on. I live in a hot and dusty climate and I prefer to pick the chip that runs cooler, even if at the cost of some performance.
Amazing to see how far 6 core CPUs have come along. Ultimately, the 7600 should be $210 maximum or they should never have made it. TBH I think they probably made the 7600 to sell 7600x's . Seems like a marketing sham. idk
The Ryzen 7600 is now ( October 2024 ) possible to find new for CAD$270. A pretty good deal for gaming. Especially since currently, the 7800X3D is over CAD$800. This price jump is due to people who were holding-out for AMD's recent CPU release being totally unimpressed by the insignificant gaming performances progress of the last CPUs, jumping on the very good 7800X3D. Those hoping for the X3D versions of the latest CPUs aren't on a tight budget ( or are delusional if they thing the prices will be good ).
@@kingplunger6033 amd's driver nonsense is not good value, i've been memed into a 5600x/rx 580 combo and never letting that happen again. but to say i'm reluctant to support either company is an understatement.
@@hehe42069-k I mean, I've had my 6700xt for several months now and I haven't had a single driver issue, I think the driver issues are only on older amd cards
@DawnJTard so you ask for a reasonably priced amd card, but won't consider buying one when its right there, even though its been highly popular since the price drop, very few complain and its gets recommended regularly, just because you had problems with one from older generations. got it
@@hehe42069-k Over the last year AMD has released new rewritten drivers that afaik are fine, it'll take a while to make up for the years of crap drivers though.
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1:31 Could it be possible that the Ryzen 7700 is a 8-core, 16-thread CPU? I see that you described it as an 8-core, 12-thread CPU...
I noticed that the 13400F and the 13500, what you would think are the 7600s two natural competitors, are missing from the charts. Are there any plans to include these in benchmarks in the future? Especially considering their core increases over the last gen?
It's just Zen+++++ with glued cache from now on. Reminds me of Intel.
What is PBO?
You know ryzen 5 > 7500F Exists?¿ XD is the same of 7 7600X > more cheap :) than the 7 7600 aprox round the 180$/150$ XD....
I truly think the price of the AM5 CPU has nothing to do with the poor sales. It's mostly the MB and RAM and well everything else overpriced to get an AM5 system. You can spend 50% on an AM4 system and get 90%+ of the performance. Once the MB and RAM come down in price to something reasonable they will start selling AM5 CPU at record numbers. It's that simple.
An extra $100 is no reason to avoid AM5 especially when the 6 core beats last-gen 8 core.
@@BlackJesus8463 that would be right if it's only $100 again that's just the price of the CPU. You are talking a minimum of $350 if you include the MB and RAM. If you buy any quality you are talking $500+ easily if not more. Those are the things stopping people from getting AM5 and not the price of the CPU. AM4 = 50% cost with 90%+ the performance of AM5. Until those prices of the MB and RAM come down you are only buying AM5 if money to value doesn't matter right now. In a year it will be different.
@@BlackJesus8463 $100? Where are you getting a mobo ram CPU combo for $100?
I mean, what you are describing is the total system cost, of which the CPU is a part. So, if you drop the price of the CPU, you make the total system cost a bit more reasonable. Add to that the fact that you can find reasonably-priced DDR5 now (at least in the US you can), and really the only thing that is probably $50-100 overpriced is the motherboard. If you drop the CPU price by $60 (just comparing MSRPs here for the sake of this example), you offset some of that motherboard cost and make the price to adopt the new platform much more palatable.
@@svn5994 he's comparing the cost between platforms, not saying that a CPU+motherboard+RAM would run you $100... 🤦♂
Biggest problem is the current price for mainboards. I mean back when I bought a new CPU for like 250$ you still only had to pay around 80$ for a decent motherboard.
Currently you can only expect double the price for the same spec motherboard and pretty expensive DDR5 RAM. So AM4 is still a better pick sometimes.
production costs are stupid high right now and i think a little bit comes from manufactures learning from am4 with how long the 300 series boards lasted through multiple generations making upgrading boards less important. with how much boards on the AMD side have improved vs when the 300 series launched it's likely the 600 series boards will survive through how ever many generations of cpu's are launched on am5.
at least with CPUs at this price point when the motherboards drop in price it'll be an easy choice instead of then switching to "motherboards are now well priced, but I'd prefer it if the CPUs got cheaper"
@@sirmonkey1985 That's just an excuse.
Is it worth upgrading to the 7600 from the 12400f?
@@kashif4463 rather upgrade to the 13400 so you only have to update the bios, as it's got 6P+4E
I appreciate GN putting the "expertise meter" before all videos like this. While years of experience don't always mean better quality reviews and content, that is the general trend. It adds a lot to credibility.
Yeah, main reason we added it too is for our PSU reviews, where we're at just 2 years. Helps set expectations.
@@GamersNexus The consistency is greatly appreciated. We notice all your efforts as a team
@@GamersNexus I think this is the most important aspect of it. Letting people know when you have less experience, too. I imagine it'd be too easy to get away with only showing the higher ones. Props to the consistency and transparency.
“This quote is phenomenally stupid in so many ways”
This is why I love this channel. No sugarcoating and straight to the point data
Also your coasters are sick
10:23
@@mtunayucer goated
@@ImHaise thanks fam
That quote is actually one of the few gripes I have with this videos. TDP and power consumption are completely correlated. There's no other way that I'm aware of for a CPU to dissipate power than thermally. Do your CPUs glow or send out infrared waves? Mine neither. Cooling solutions are completely irrelevant here. Power in, power out, physics.
I always love seeing the result of the time, effort, and thought you put into your videos. 🙌
Thanks for learning with us.
Learn or flop?
My guess it's was a success
Greg here =)
really respect how you're endlessly looking out for the consumer, even to the point of starting with the cheapest and most mass-market appealing cpu of this launch
not to mention for us Europeans that was hit hard by the US gov money printing decisions.. 7-8 Swedish crowns used to buy a USD, we've been over 11,50 September to November..that's on top of 10-15% inflation rates 😢
@@NirreFirre I told people when they were getting their stimulus checks that it was going to cost them 10x as much in the long run. They didn't care, of course, not like the govt would have stopped printing money even if the people rejected the checks. Making people poor is the goal, easier to control that way.
@@NirreFirre i wish that was the only bad thing the US did to us lmao
@@Metal94head Cope harder
@@NirreFirre Swedish Kroner is so weak now that it hurts
About time something affordable and decent took the news, it's been overpriced stuff for a while
If you ignore the fact that the cheapest mobo costs 150-170€ for am5 yes☠️
13400f, 13600k, 12400f? Sure, ignore those....
These CPUs aren't affordable considering prices of Mobo and ddr5 ram, Intel all the way at the moment
Hope GPU could be like this.... Damn
Bro just conveniently ignores mobo and ram prices 💀
Gonna sound weird... Lighting on this updated set looks a lot better than the previous videos!
Not saying that the previous videos were poorly lit; just that this one stands out much more.
yeah, the lighting does look great on this vid
Thank you! Andrew and Vitalii did all the lighting work and did a great job. I'll let them know it's liked!
It's actually an incredible difference you never really noticed was needed until you see it
The commentary around TDP shenanigans is my biggest takeaway from this video--thank you Steve and team for the education as always. As a non-engineer and enthusiast-but-somewhat-stupid participant in computing and gadgets, I always assumed you could estimate the amount of wattage from TDP. (So many videos I see out there about the Steam Deck and handheld computing devices, which talk about TDP, use 15W TDP as a base to estimate battery life, before adding on the screen and fan consumption.)
The whole power figures need some clearing up, but I also feel like GN has a misconception about TDP. TDP absolutely is power, power comes in many different ways, you can have mechanical power (engine of your car), electrical power (what powers electrical devices), thermal power (transfer of heat from one body to another) and many more. 65W TDP is a number aimed at cooler manufacturers, that they should be expecting to design coolers that can dissipate 65W of heat. So any 65W TDP chip should be able to be cooled sufficiently by the same cooler, no matter what the actual power draw of the chip is. The TDP number will always be lower than the max power draw, for various reasons: Not the entire heat needs to be dissipated by the cooler, some heat from the CPU gets transferred to the motherboard or removed by other means. Also components have a thermal capacity, so if you're having short power spikes, being able to only remove a part of the spike instantaneously is viable, as long as the average heat generated is also removed within a reasonable timeframe. And lastly, safe operating temperatures are increasing, which basically increases the effectiveness of coolers, so a cooler designed for a lower TDP can still cool a higher powered chip if it is allowed to reach higher temperatures. Even a stock intel cooler could dissipate 500W if the temperature difference is big enough.
@@Alvin853 Yeah that part was weird. And just because GN called AMD stupid, everyone in the comments thinks Steve is correct here.
Yep.
While I agree with @GamersNexus that it could be nice to have a comparable electrical power consumption number across brands, I don't think TDP (THERMAL design power) should be tied to Intel's definition (as in electrical power consumed).
@@phinicota that means amd has to follow intels terminology, and you know that they cant do that
if the calculation itself varies, the outcome becomes meaningless for comparisons.
These PC tech channels are invaluable to consumers. I wish this stuff existed when I was younger, building PC's in the early 2000's. Back then, you were just listening to some old man in a PC parts store, and hoping they weren't lying or exaggerating, then going to another store and comparing prices, lol.
Its why we all used to buy magazines...
lmao, you know that "in the early 2000's" internet existed, nevermind tech press etc. ? WTF you on about? xD
early 2000s ? You had internet back then, benchmarks etc, in 90s it was different, but you had magazines and parts and price listings as advertisements. You would get a sharpie, select the stuff you want from the list, and go to a store and ask for the price, and then do it with another store. ARguably early 2000s were best times for building PCs, prices were reasonable, AMD and Intel compeition was good, GPUs did not require 2nd mortgage.
I was a teen in 2000's and I had access to internet. Even cutting that out if I wanted to get best bang for my money - I go to the PC store and get a magazine first, which had most if not all necessary information.
TL;DR - you tried to compliment them but immediately failed. Sad.
EDIT: If Gamers Nexus started posting their reviews on TikTok (in shortened version, obviously) - would you prefer TikTok review from GN compared to RUclips version of the same review?
@@JIAroJIy4 No Google (RUclips) already knows a lot about me and what I like. Not interested in giving the Chinese government my info too. Also, loads of tiktok shorts end up on youtube anyways😅
Almost 10 months later since the posting of this video and motherboard prices are still outrageous.
We're finally getting there
Healthy competition between AMD and Intel made this possible. If only we can see this in the GPU market...
GPU market is the opposite rn. Worst generation i can even remember.
Mercado de GPU sea más peor que fue a perder siempre pero mercado de CPU sea más mucho mejor que cualquier Porque CPU monstruo si se puede usar 1 wats singifica más rápido de intel que cualquier todos de AMD? Posible dice ese intel tiene más rápido de energía que cualquier AMD no alcanza nunca más complicado
literally NOT ONE current gen GPU for under 1k
makes RX 6800 cards for 500-600€ a good deal. Its that bad...
I hope that they will come out in 2023 with a 7700 sku in the 400-500$ range and a decent 7600 and 7500 lineup thats not inflated ewaste
@@alouisschafer7212 Hope so, but as it sits if they don't put 10gb+ on the midrange cards, 6800 and 6700xt will remain the best deals in gaming.
1:32 minor correction: The 7700 has 16 threads. Not 12. Even GNs stellar quality control isn’t airtight! Love the work you guys put out.
Probably amd name decoder ring confused them more than it helped 🤣
Great video as always Steve. I would like to request one new chart(s) if possible for future cpu reviews. As you mentioned, gaming rarely maxes out cpu's but Id love to see the average watts per frame across some of your standard games to see gaming efficiency. Even though the 13600k clearly blows past the 7600 when looking at max wattage, Id love to see the actual wattage pulled when gaming and compare wattage to framerate.
The camera quality and production quality has dramatically increased. I started watching your videos maybe 10 months ago. I stopped watching tech videos almost 9 years ago or so. After watching your videos while upgrading my PC, I sparked my interest in tech again.
Thank you team. There are numerous videos I've watched and glad I did. Not vid is right up my alley, but watching them has never felt like a waste of time.
Glad to see the non x SKUs coming out, along with hopefully inevitable price drops. This at $200 within 6 months or so will be great.
on a $200 motherboard?
@@eclipsegst9419 mobos will likely go down too friendo!
@@twincitiesberrycompany8723 they promised that months ago but B boards are all like 150+. Doesn't matter to me anyways, im going 13th gen so i can get 5 more years out of my 32GB DDR4.
@@eclipsegst9419 that's a great option. I'll probably go Intel as well this time if I upgrade. But either way I'm thankful both 'colors' exist because the mere competitive presence of the other helps with with price (and development) of my current ecosystem
@@twincitiesberrycompany8723 for sure. I just had a zen2 previously. In this case the savings is more if I keep ddr4 and go back to blue again. But I hope they keep one-upping each other! We have gotten more per-core-performance gains in the last 3 years as we did the 10 before!
Thanks for showing the Warhammer 3 chart, it's still helpful for us newbies or convince our friends why they don't need to spend more money on a certain CPU when they play certain games. Still useful! I wouldn't mind you guys showing us at least 1 game or scenario when there's a bottleneck elsewhere as it helps people like me understand more aspects.
Don't forget the point that slide makes isn't just 'certain games', it's certain settings and other components becoming bottlenecks.
You'll see for CPU testing all games are benchmarked at 1080p with a high grade GPU, this is to force the CPU to be the bottleneck so you can see the relative performance difference.
If you had a lower spec GPU or ran at a higher resolution, the differences between CPU would likely be marginal (like the Warhammer results) as the GPU starts to become the bottleneck.
Based on this review, it tells us to buy Intel CPU & Nvidia GPU only. It's easy for you to advise your friends. If AMD CPU let say is 5% - 9% or even 30% slower than Intel in Adobe Premier, by his review it makes AMD CPUs is unable to run that applications. So just spend more money to Intel & Nvidia, No.1 CPU & GPU brands in the world. No need to get headache in making a decision. 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks, Steve.
Back to you, Steve.
It's pretty impressive to see the 7600 so frequently match or come very close to the 5800X. That's a $230 CPU matching a $450 (MSRP at launch) CPU just one generation later while losing 2c/4t and using around 2/3 the power.
they didn't show stock cooler temps. 7600 has stealth cooler it runs at 95C. 7700 and 7900 runs 78c with wraith cooler according to hardware unboxed.
@@jaggsta BS. Other channels have them and they're as low as 40 degrees for the 7900 and 50 for the other 7000 mon-x at stock.
@Jaggsta I just checked the HUB video and as they say the 7600 was working as expected and wasn't throttling. So it seems like it doesn't matter if it's running at 95c since it is still performing fine.
@@PepRex Sure, newer should be better. I am just commenting on how much of a jump there was because I am used to either more modest performance gains or for them to come at a huge power cost.
@@PepRex Sometimes newer is just rebranded older. Sometimes they even call two different things by the same name and it has happened more than a few times within the last 2 years. That's why you don't be fanboi and you don't go by branding.
My current rig started life with a 3600 which I then upgraded 6 months ago to a 5800x3D. If I was to build a mid-range rig today I would absolutely go for the AM5 platform, being able to upgrade later on by swapping just the CPU is really nice (less ewaste, quick upgrade with no need to reinstall... and cheaper than swapping both mboard and CPU).
Hey, same here! AMD's dedication to the AM4 socket (and it looks like the AM5 socket as well) has been easy on the wallet. Very good.
Really excited to see hopefully more competitively priced CPUs from AMD
motherboards $200+ though DOA product.
AMD si ya sabe que puro CPU de intel más poderosa que GPU
@@jaggsta Can’t expect new gen tech to be the same price as the previous one. 🤦♂️
Hi GN - long-time viewer, never commenter. I know you value feedback and read comments: I found the new set background distracting. The moving/sharp transitions of the monitors distracted me. I prefer to be able to focus on the speaker. I think the new set can still work, but consider putting more static images up.
Yes. Me as well. Comment here may get lost, worth making a tweet so that Steve notices the feedback.
@@DipanGhosh I don't have a Twitter account. Feel free to send to Steve/GN yourself :) More channels of comment are never a bad thing.
I used the R5 7600 in my build a few weeks ago and have been nothing but happy with the way it performs. One thing I have to say is that if you do go with this CPU, absolutely run the curve optimizer in Ryzen Master. Running Cinebench R23 With PBO enabled, my 7600 was running at 81C at 4.9ghz all cores, and was at its power limit using a Thermalright Peerless Assassin cooler. I set the curve optimizer to "per core" and left the default -30mV offset in place. After it was done, it applied the maximum -30mV offset to all cores. I ran it again, this time with a -40mV offset, hoping to find the undervolting limit of this CPU, it set all of the cores to the limit again. With the -40mV curve applied in the BIOS, temps are now 65C at 5.1ghz on all cores, and it was using 15W less power. I also gained around 300 points in Cinebench. I could push it farther with a -60mV offset or up the boost frequency but I really don't see the need.
Good to know! I just updated to am5 and Im still running the stock cooler. hits 90 with pbo stress testing but never above 80 when playing starfield at 1080 high 50-70fps (2070s, dlss 67%). Still getting a cooler tho, deciding between a thermalright aqua elite or phantom spirit.
@@JustGetAHous What cooler did you end up picking? I'm still on the fence if I should get one for my in progress build and then which one I should get
@@PDJ13514 phantom spirit 120SE the reviews were just incredible. ruclips.net/video/iaJBsQPqxRA/видео.html for a $35usd cooler. ram clearance is VERY tight so if you have any sort of tall or fancy ram you will lose some performance. the non SE version is taller for more ram clearance, but is too tall for my mid tower.
The deal from micro center with a 32 GB DDR 6000 kit of RAM and a purchase of a 7700X still makes it pretty viable option for those can do the in-store pickup. I believe it also includes $20 off select motherboards as well
yep. I sold my 32gb kit for 150 and got the ram i actually wanted for half what it cost after selling the free kit I got. win win for me.
@@gizengar111 I kept mine. It was g.skill g. skill f5-60003636f16gx2-fx5. not amazing but I'd rather throw that extra money on top of my sold 6900xy for a 4090.
These AM5 boot-ups though... Oof. I can learn a different language faster.
You guys must be the most hard working, dedicated and highest quality content tech channel. Just love the content and lots of respect!
Seeing the x3d so high makes me excited to see the new 7000x3d performance 😁
Man!!! That background is SWEEEEEEEET!!!! Think I will buy something from your store just because of that! All it takes from me sometimes! 😁
I was sure last year would end badly for me but I think Amazons AM2023X is spot on with what they do and how they do it. Can't say for how long it's going to work and for sure it is overyhped right now but even for half a year or something it would be smart to ride the wave and then jump away eventually but the thing is why this is smart right now is because it's so cheap, won't ever find a better entry than now
Yea right Amazons best intentions are always making us money haha
I wonder what happens if they go FTX mode
Finally a solid and forward looking project here, what's going on guys?
Who knows how this will go but it's better than the FTX stuff and anything we had so far. Amazon won't rugpull us
It won't ever be as cheap as now again just FYI
Thank you Gamer Jesus! Appreciate the hard work!
This is exactly the video I've been waiting for and I'm also looking forward to the new 3d v cache benchmarks. I still run a 2600x and have been struggling to determine whether I should upgrade my existing build to a 5800x (or x3d) or build a completely new setup. Definitely leaning more towards a complete rebuild later this year for future proofing after seeing the 7600 performance being nearly double that of my existing setup and comparable to the 5800x3d at 1080p.
True but don't forget that may not be your actual performance if you have a good gpu and play at +1440p , as the gpu is more likely to be the bottleneck , so they may as well have the same performance in many cases in which case just go with what's cheaper
@@lynackhilou4865 This depends heavily on what exactly he is playing. If you are playing games like heavily modded rimworld, factorio, Dwarf Fortress, Space Engineers, Stellaris and so on... no the GPU is most probably NOT the problem if you have at least a current mid-class model for games like Space Engineers. Its CPU and RAM here... and the X3D Processors handle these games pretty well from what I did see, so I am also very much curious about the new generation of X3D ;-)
The whole point of buying amd for "future proofing" is to do drop-in upgrades. You have the chance to do just that by just swapping out your 2600x for the 5800x3d. If you don't take advantage of drop-in upgrades you're losing a lot of money for no reason
@@sage4670 this is a really cheap build I threw together with what I could a few years ago. Unfortunately if I were to upgrade the CPU, I would want to upgrade almost every component. At that point I'd just like to build something for a little extra with the intent on small, slow upgrades and repurpose what I have. It was never intended to be future proof, just needed to work. Fortunately I'm not short on any ideas for what to repurpose it for.
@@Dark1984Knight that is true , however a lot of other games are more gpu dependent, and since these tests are generally done at 1080p with high or medium settings using a 4090 , the actual gain in performance might be minimal for some when upgrading
Nice, my first time catching an upload within the first minute! 😄
The power consumption is interesting as you show the maximum draw under load which makes sense.
There is a lot of discussion starting to happen regarding idle power draw as some Ryzen processors won’t go as low as Intel processors when idling meaning the life time power cost might be worse on Ryzen vs Intel. Is this worth investigating?
Thanks for including the R5 2600.
I'm running a RX 6600 and I don't think I still need a upgrade, since I'm GPU limited in most games.
hows rx 6600 any issues like drivers?
Would be interesting if you added Playstation 3 emulation to your CPU benchmarks, the cpu utilisation when emulating games like Metal Gear Solid 4 is pretty insane.
Right! I wish more mainstream channels did Emulation testing.
@@NBWDOUGHBOY techpowerup does
@@twistedoracle4555 I'll check them out
Appreciate all the hard work boiling it all down to something digestible - Gog knows how long it took to go through all the testing, let alone the analysis.
It would be nice to have some in-game power tests as well. Quite interesting how much CPU consume in this scenario and see their efficiency
They've been back for a while. I bought a 5700X on sale for $190 shipped a couple months ago. Great deal, awesome CPU.
I'm glad that the Zen+ CPUs like the 2600 and 2700 are still featured in these charts. When I still had my 2600, I had it manually OC'ed (since it did not support PBO) to 4.1Ghz all-core @ 1.31v and it was able to slightly surpass my friend's stock 2700x in single core performance. Now I'm using the 5600, since it was a drop-in replacement using my existing b450 tomahawk mobo. I have it configured with a -10 offset, 10x scalar, and +200Mhz with PBO, which puts it at 4.6Ghz @ ~1.24v and single-core performance that's identical to most of the x-SKU Zen3 CPUs. Meanwhile, multi-core performance sits between the 2700x and 3700x. Temps are also fairly decent by not going beyond 70-75c at full load using a Wraith Prism cooler, since it's not pushing beyond the ~88w total power draw to achieve the PBO OC. As you guys (as well as many others) have emphasized, the non-x SKUs generally offer much better value for performance overall, and honestly it's really not that difficult or time consuming to tweak the OC settings accordingly.
The new design for these CPUs is pretty interesting! Thanks for the review :)
Thanks for the video GN. I just have one question, why are the 5900X and 5950X not featured in your benchmarks? I would love to see how those CPU's performance match up with other CPU's in a chart like this. Cheers!
because they still perform very good and are better value for the buck than new stuf. and if you see all that in charts, you won't buy new for more. just marketing
As someone who lives in California and wants the best bang for my buck gaming performance while keeping things cool during the summer months the non X or even X in Eco mode are a no brainer.
I´m excited to see the 7900. Still 65W TDP? But 64MB Cache. Well sounds like a pretty good CPU for a long time. Waiting for the review!
7900 is the one to get. Check out LTT and Hardware Unboxed.
Lighting and/or color grading are greatly improved. Good work. Maybe chill out on the background screens - maybe have slow-mo footage, smooth loops... It's much more dynamic than Steve in a way that is distracting.
“I don’t know what any of that means, here is some money, gaming computer man” - Steve 2023 😂
I'm exactly what you described at the 9 minute mark. Totally new at this so I really appreciate the explanation. Been watching this channel a lot lately and learning, I'm going to build ($2500 budget) my first system this year. Thank you.
im somewhat disapointed, that the 5900x is missing in the benchmarks.
Dig the new review/news space. Nice work
You know it's crazy when the power usage of the 13900k is 55W higher than my laptops power supply for the entire laptop
I'm not sure what you changed with you hair routine, but DAMN they look nice !!! Good job :)
... Great review too xD
I think the real comparison point will be between this non-X 7600 and the recently released Intel non-K chips 13400 and 13500.
Hopefully we get reviews on those Intel chips later because they're around the same price and have so much value attached to them ($230ish for 14 cores is nothing to sneeze at if your workload can use them).
13500 with its 20 threads especially will smoke it really bad...
As someone who was just about to upgrade their SFF build to a 5700X, the 7700 is definitely the way I'll be going (plus it's an excuse to get an all-new platform and shiny new things)
For anyone who wants to upgrade and is not coming from AM4 (like me coming from a i7 6700, 2133mhz ddr4 ram and stock cooler)...There's a crazy 7600 + msi b650 mobo combo going in newegg right now for just 325 dollars. That combined with a sp zenith 32gb 5600mhz ddr5 ram kit (97$) and a top tier cheap air cooler like the thermalright pa120 (40~$) se goes for around 460 dollars us total (without taxes). A 5800x3d + new mobo + new ddr4 ram + new cooler would be more expensive, less future proof and less power efficient.
Meanwhile me in Europe: 😢
@@jelly8594 yep lol, it's getting better now.
Although that's tech for you, US will always be cheaper.
Steve, i think you forgot... AMD's promise of AM5 support which is promising coming from how long they supported AM4 (1000, 2000, 3000, 5000)
The 3D variants are what I'm waiting for, I play primarily CPU bound games (like KSP) so the extra Cache is just too important for me
If the rumors that 7000X3D will have a larger uplift over the regular 7000 than 5000X3D had over regular 5000 (iow, a >15% uplift) are true, the 7800X3D is going to be a gaming _monster._
@@benjaminoechsli1941 I bet you they will overprice them :(
@@alouisschafer7212 I think that will depend on 1) Zen 4 sales to date, 2) Intel's competitiveness at the time of release, and 3) the price of the platform. AMD has been selling Zen 4 for cheap recently to try to convince people to buy it since mobo makers are keeping prices high.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 intel doesn't really have much left in the tank, they don't have any answer to the 3d ones
hey steve like the background monitor test on the set makes more roomy like a test garage for nerds keep it up!
Finally, the Ryzen 7000 with no X-tax.
Mobo and ddr5 is still expensive, so...
@@Wilqu5677 yeah, pretty much early adoption cost lol.
@@Wilqu5677 It's the boards more than the ram, ddr5 is slowing normalizing
@@MiGujack3 I mean yeah, but still, it is more expensive than ddr4
with so close performance, x variants will drop in prices in time . win anyways
would you guys ever consider updating your website with compiled charts of the benchmarks you've done?
the in-depth reviews are obviously the best way to get the most complete picture and context for a part, and the journalism you do there is always great. but for someone like me who's on a very fixed budget and going many years between upgrades, and is likely going to be considering offerings in the last generation or two over bleeding-edge more expensive parts, it tends to be impractical to dig through the last 2 years of videos on the channel scrubbing through to try to find a chart with direct comparisons for all the parts up for consideration, to get an idea of what difference i'll see and what value they have based on current prices. and the conclusions drawn in launch reviews for the specific parts themselves produced in one context might not always be up-to-date with the current market, what was once a good value might now be poor if prices haven't fallen and better options have popped up, or a part that wasn't worth it at launch might have dropped enough in price to now make sense
for someone who's just looking for "within my price range in the current market, what's going to give me the most Bangs Per Buck" having easy access to some direct comparative numbers from a trustworthy rigorous source would be a huge boon. and having another reliable quick source in the space would help make it more difficult for unsuspecting shoppers who just want to know "what thing have best number" to wind up unwittingly getting all their information from certain unscrupulous benchmark sites basing scores and reviews on "birthday of CEO" and "Revenue-Adjusted Vibe Check" and "how mean i perceive people being to me for dispensing complete nonsense disinformation"
speaking from my own experience, late last year i was shopping for an upgrade from a hand-me-down 970 on its last legs, and looking in the 3600-3800 range. i looked through a lot of your videos trying to find some decent comparisons but it was difficult to find charts that had all those options side-by-side at once. in particular the 👔variants tended to not make a lot of the charts, so it was hard to put together an apples-to-apples comparison in Frames Per Dollar for any one game or application. and now with more GPU headroom, my 9600k is starting to bump up against its ceiling more often in certain uses, so it's starting to make more sense to consider an upgrade sometime. but none of the 9000-gen intel cpus are recent enough to land on any of the charts in this video, so in your more recent vids i can't get context for how much of an uplift even the lowest-end entries in these benchmarks would be
there are a lot of benchmark sites out there, some more questionable than others, that can wind up reaching very different conclusions based on what tests and methodologies they use. but having another source in the mix that i know has been doing this kind of testing for years and is open and transparent about their methodology and not beholden to any particular brand or limited to one piece of testing software would be a great help. i know you guys might be reluctant to just list up charts or databases of all your benchmarks because it could encourage people to base their entire perception of a part on one number instead of seeking the full context from the in-depth reviews, but i would consider that: people are already doing that anyway. the fact that userbenchmark is still going and in the top results for any benchmark google search despite being the laughing stock of the tech world is evidence of that. if some people are always going to walk up grab the free sample and leave rather than sitting down for the full-course meal, then putting your offerings up and making them easier to access and browse would at least help steer more people away from eating poison
anyway, sorry for the long-winded ramble. i know there might be any number of reasons why y'all can't or won't do this, from the time and work not making financial sense to not wanting to become A Benchmark Website, so i'm not holding my breath. but i figured i'd let you know that the interest is at least there somewhere out in the world. you guys are doing great work with consumer-focused unbiased reviews and keeping tech companies accountable, so thank you and keep it up!
I think you'll see the X parts go back up, the retailers were dropping price to match demand - now with the non-X's out, the retailers are likely going to stop trying to take an "L" on the CPU to push the motherboards/DDR5 packages, which is their primary goal since, as it's a new platform, you literally MUST buy the CPU with the mobo.
With X3D coming out they'll have to lower the X prices if they want to sell.
@@djchristian82 loss
@@BlackJesus8463 depends how much the X3D parts are.
@@djchristian82 "Loss"
trust me when i say most retailers rather push intel lmfao
Great series on the Non-X Ryzen 7000 series. Will you ve reviewing the non-K Intel 13th gen CPUs?
Nice video Steve but the 7600 is more comfortable as it comes with a stock cooler
It's the same cooler they been using forever. Spoiler alert: They got coil whine.
@@user-pd6fg4vu9d Fans have coils but I guess it could be bearing noise which would be just as bad.
@@user-pd6fg4vu9d Never heard of anybody doing that. They usually just return it.
thank you for the review. I just plan to enter AM5 with the 7600, coming from AM4, Zen2, R5 3600.
It will be interesting to see how the 7600 compares to the i5-13400f that got released a few days ago. :)
Simply put
It wins imo just because the platform cost in its entirety is still way cheaper
Loving the new background. I watch the screens more than I watch Steve lol.
Thanks for the great review, I'd really appreciate it if you guys made a definitive video on comparing DDR5 vs DDR4 performance on intel 13th Gen and put it against Zen 4. It would help greatly to know if taking the leap is justified by a visible boost to performance.
Hardware Unboxed did some benchmarks comparing DDR4/DDR5 recently. It heavily depends on workload and game how much of a difference it makes, but when it does it can be quite significant. Their takeaway was that DDR5 was becoming worth it with the prices coming down: ruclips.net/video/omumzW1AtGE/видео.html
@@Hugh_I Thanks for the link. Yea, I have seen that one, but GN have their own methods and IMO the more testing done on it the better.
@@BaldGuyTalks yeah agree with that! DDR5 prices also have gone down further, so updated value analysis would be useful soon too.
Agreed!
@@Hugh_Ithat video is bad because they are comparing 12th gen intel… 13th gen intel is different
21:32 "Here's Money, Gaming Computer Man" should be a t-shirt or at least a meme.
Sadly for gaming I think if you own an AM4 motherboard its best to go with the 5800X3D because yes you can get some AM5 motherboards new for $220-$280 but the ram cost is also not unaffordable but around 50%+ more expensive for DDR5. I have an AM4 motherboard and a 3700x I'd have to spend $230 plus at least $80 in DDR5 ram for 16GB then another $250ish for a motherboard compared to just $350 for a 5800X3D. I know my parts have resell value but it goes down a lot especially for a used 3700x and a basic B450M motherboard and only 16GB 3000 Ram. Are they gonna make an AM5 X3D that's much better than the AM4 one of that's possible?
Off-topic: While I love the multiple-layered screens in the background, the stuff playing in them is kinda *distracting* (would prefer a "GN logo" or "still images" displayed on them instead).
Would it be useful to show some idling power/behavior as well with CPUs/GPUs? Most people don't use their CPU/GPUs at 100% all the time and these efficiency numbers may be skewed for most use cases (unless you're running a server farm).
It does look like Intel is aiming for a very efficient idle/low workload but less efficient burst/max loads. Honestly, it may be a better approach overall given how people use their computers. I mean when we measure fuel efficiency, we don't do it at the max speed.
I recently built a PC with the AMD R7 5800X3d and a 3060TI Went for a solid mid range rig. Really happy with it. Watching this video I feel i picked a good CPU.
Perfect timing. Wish you bought Radeon though. But 3060ti is a solid choice.
@@unclesam8565 i try and do my homework. I have been really happy with this build. I actually had Jayz 2cents build my last computer back in 2014 he did a video on it. I wanted to replace that and build this one myself, not the first time and went for a $2500 budget. I am happy, was fun to build too :)
@@boxerdog5979 It's good you had fun, that's all what matters. And 3060 Ti is good, even if AMD GPUs are good with the gaming it is impossible to do any other work besides gaming with them.
@@randomguy_069 I own a business and have 7 pcs there for work. this is my home computer for gaming and streaming. I try not to work at home. key word "try" lol
Damn, Pc building is looking bright this year! We have value cpus coming in, many cheap cooler options, motherboards are a bit pricy but hopefully AMD delivers on its promise for entry level AM5 boards, dd5 ram is steadily decreasing and DDR4 ram has incredible value for last gen builds, and even Nvme SSds get great discounts here and there. Theres absolutely nothing that would ruin PC building with the great direction that things are going!
"Remembers about the GPU market", oh..... right I forgot about you.
I bought a 3700x three years ago, thinking I'd be upgrading my GPU soon. Now my CPU is somewhere at the bottom of your charts, and I'm still running my 1060.
I wouldn't have believed you if you told me that CPUs would be getting so much faster in such a short amount of time back then.
21:08 "But it's the X version that's better! Then they go I don't know what any of that means, here's money Gaming Computer Man."
had me dying laughing.
Snagged one for 198 on newegg with my new PC Build in December, Boosted to 5.1Ghz. Absolutely love this CPU.
As a gamer, can any of us say we'd really need something more powerful than a 5600x at this point?
Yes, the gains stop after 8 core not 6 now. Go and check any comparison video with modern titles. Everything 8 core and above is the ceiling, its not 6 anymore.
@21:32 "I don't know what any of that means... Here's money Gaming Computer Man" The hero we all need, Gaming Computer Man
I'd still get the 65W part, even at the same price. It's more efficient and more money in your pocket each month, no need for a big cooler and even comes with one.
Even the boards to run it will not need costly power delivery vs X. Yet, with no sub $100 boards or ($200 where I live), they could be very well selling it for $150 and still be on the expensive side.
I think it's actually 88 watts if you watch the video he rants about AMDs power reporting.
It's much less efficient than Intel though, as shown in the video...
I continue to enjoy your channel and reviews over the others. I like your no-nonsense way of doing things. I would like to see Intel's 13th gen show up in your charts with an "eco" mode as well as they are fairly power effiecient when power capped.
Would have been nice to see this alongside the 5900X specifically, because I've been seeing them around $320-340, which gets even cheaper across the build including more RAM that doesn't run THAT much faster than first-gen DDR5 anyway.
I like your new studio design
Really would like to see the 5900X in these comparisons as the price was and is pretty good right now. I can guess where it would sit in these charts but it would be nice to see there and know the results
Greatest quote of recent times "..... Watts don't equal watts....." 🤣🤣
Great to see you smiling too Steve, the last few months of BS GPUs have been a strain in the industry for sure! Have a good new year and keep up the great work!
Gotta say, until they release sub-150 dollar motherboards it doesn't really matter how cheap the CPUs are. This CPU would be a good deal, if it wasn't the fact you could get a 12600K//Z690/DDR4 for less or a 13600K/Z690/DDR4 for about the same price.
Problem with the 13600k and DDR4 route is that it has no upgrade path. If someone is only upgrading their entire system every five years then maybe it wouldn't matter. But even then, DDR5 will start to scale ahead in the coming years just as DDR4 did. If I were building a midrange system now, I'd probably go 7600 or 7700 and DDR5, or 13600K and DDR5 if I needed better multithreaded performance. That means I can at least keep my RAM for my upgrade from a 13600k. If I were building a budget system I'd go 5600 or a 12100. I wouldn't combine DDR4 with midrange processors unless I already had DDR4 to use.
@@angrygoldfish no creo porque fans de AMD son puro mentira, quiero decirte que no hay ningún problema, ese intel si tiene muchos actualizaciones de todos cualquier y CPU es que usar todos compatibles cualquier y AMD no? Te digo que no hay ningún actualizaciones, creo que actualizaciones de AMD es más gran problema sobre sonido, video feo, gráfico, muy rápido menos de rendimiento? Porque tu no informadas uno de los mayoría problema para AMD? Tu eres puro fan de AMD maldita? Todos fans de intel ya saben que no hay ningún problema por intel? La verdad no entendiste ? Ese Intel si tiene que usar actualizaciones full, compatibles full, oculto de energía wats de más rápido que cualquier menos de AMD? Lo siento lo siento mucho que poco me interesa a AMD menos
@@angrygoldfish ur old board worth almost nothing. Getting a new board that match to old board performance is like $100. Besides. U getting intel now, the gain is probably bigger than the board cost.
@Grumpy Grey Yeah, that's true. But B650 should last through Zen 6 all being well, so a B650 motherboard should be a drop in replacement for new technology. If those processors dramatically increase performance again, an AM5 board will allow that. Maybe that's why B650 is so stupidly expensive; because it will have to run future processors that AMD predict will push demands higher. But still, you're right. Many will want a new motherboard anyway so why not just get the best value system now and again 3-4 years from now.
@Grumpy Grey Yeah, good point.
Gee!!! u in my future mate, here it still is the 9th ;) cool video as usual :)
The state of motherboard pricing is surprising, given it's a much more competitive market than CPUs are. You'd think someone would see the opportunity in a solid barebones $80 B650 board.
With the federal government printing trillions of dollars the dollar is less valuable, I don't think there can.be 80 dollar boards anymore.
Loving the new set Steve!
Lets hope to see 300 bucks mid range CPUs to be back sometime soon as well. ps: 1:33 "8 Cores 16* Threads"
300 is not mid range.
300 is not midrange its high end but not enthusiast.
Bought my 7600x for $230 a couple weeks ago on discount, couldn't let that deal go
Same. At 230-250 price point 7600X is a killer deal. I5 13600k was at 350 here and 7600x was at 250 usd. Was not able to avoid that deal...
Too late from AMD, for me. When the 7000X's prices (and AM5 MB prices) were announced back in Sept, I decided to upgrade my Ryzen 3600 to a 5900X (on sale) and wait a few years before upgrading again.
Steve, why did you guys stop doing CPU temps? It's not really time-consuming to do since you already have them installed in the system to do those benchmarks. I always end up having to look for other reviews just to see some numbers. I rather get everything from GN since you're my go-to tech channel and have been for many years. Using the same cooler across all those CPUs will give consumers an idea about which CPU runs hotter and so on. I live in a hot and dusty climate and I prefer to pick the chip that runs cooler, even if at the cost of some performance.
The CPU departments never seemingly disappoint, now if the GPU market could ever gain the same competence...
Mercado de GPU no gana nada porque AMD es más peor
OMG GN, WTF, with that B roll for the HTYE Case, please give that thing a wipe down, all those fingies
Amazing to see how far 6 core CPUs have come along. Ultimately, the 7600 should be $210 maximum or they should never have made it. TBH I think they probably made the 7600 to sell 7600x's . Seems like a marketing sham. idk
you know the 7600x is 300 and the 7600 comes with a cooler
TSMC raised prices last summer for their best fabs, iirc it was something like 25% more? That has to be factored into the final price somehow.
The Ryzen 7600 is now ( October 2024 ) possible to find new for CAD$270.
A pretty good deal for gaming. Especially since currently, the 7800X3D is over CAD$800.
This price jump is due to people who were holding-out for AMD's recent CPU release being totally unimpressed by the insignificant gaming performances progress of the last CPUs, jumping on the very good 7800X3D.
Those hoping for the X3D versions of the latest CPUs aren't on a tight budget ( or are delusional if they thing the prices will be good ).
still sticking with my 5600x, wheres my fking $230 gpus amd/nvidia? lol
forget nvidia this/last gen, but there were some 6600 gpus around 200, which is pretty good value
@@kingplunger6033 amd's driver nonsense is not good value, i've been memed into a 5600x/rx 580 combo and never letting that happen again.
but to say i'm reluctant to support either company is an understatement.
@@hehe42069-k I mean, I've had my 6700xt for several months now and I haven't had a single driver issue, I think the driver issues are only on older amd cards
@DawnJTard so you ask for a reasonably priced amd card, but won't consider buying one when its right there, even though its been highly popular since the price drop, very few complain and its gets recommended regularly, just because you had problems with one from older generations. got it
@@hehe42069-k Over the last year AMD has released new rewritten drivers that afaik are fine, it'll take a while to make up for the years of crap drivers though.
Going from AM4 to AM5.
From an 5800x3D to 7900 with 6000mhz ram cost me 150$ extra. Worth it in my opinion.
And this is Mini itx...
last time i saw you were counting the X in AMDs products, now you`re missing them so much you`re counting virtual watts...so professional of you
As always great review! thank you for your hard work. ps I love your mouse mat!
Love the new set in this video! The wall of monitors looks cool.
Such a good cpu market right now man... just hope the gpu market will recover soon